This is in Canada.

I worked in one of the liquor store, and badly got set up by the manager. My last week of work, the other worker didn't show up, I was working by myself. Then, the manager called me and asked me to prepare a list of alcohol for her. Due to she cannot come to pick up before the store close, so she ordered me to leave it on the back door next to the garbage. And I did it.

We actually have little conflict, because I cut down my hours and found the other job then I give my 2 wekes notice and quit. She wasn't happy about it, but other job pay better money. Now, two months later, a police officer called me and want to meet me in person face to face to discuss this isseu, because she reported that I was stealing and recorded on tape.

I talk to an advisor, he told me that I have no obligation to provide any information or meet the police officer in person. I am still a freeman unless a warren is issued to arrest me. Once I meet the officer, then he will arrest me. Then I will need a lawyer to flight in the court.

What should I do now? How should I know if I am in trouble by now? I work very well on my new job, if I keep avoiding the police's phone call. Will he come to arrest me in my new work place?

All the evident is pointed to me. If I meet the officer, I will get arrest for sure according to my advisor. What do I have to do now?

If I lose the case, what purnishment am I going to get?

How can I proof if I am not guity?

I cannot affored to hire a lawyer... :(

Hello cup:

If they're going to arrest you, they are whether you come in for an interview or not. I don't know Canadian law, but apparently you don't have to talk to them. I wouldn't. You don't have to prove you're not guilty. THEY have to prove you are. Again, I don't know about Canada. But, if you were in the US, they'd probably appoint you a lawyer at no charge.

excon

Hmm... thank you. So, am I a criminal now? Why the police officer needs to talk to me instead of issue a warrant to arrest me? I am scare, I don't want in the middle of sleeping at home or in the middle of working got arrested... how do I know if I am a criminal or not by now?

Thanks for the info, excon.

You are a criminal if you did a criminal act.? A manager if he is not the owner does not have the right to take things without paying, so you helped the manager steal and the manager is giving you all the blame.

Not having enough sense to not bag up things and place outside means you are guilty of being, well less smart.

Also I doubt if they have you on film, you ca not afford not to get an attorney. But no I would not talk to the police without an attorney, at least in the US, police can lie to get you to confess. And often anything you say will be used against you.

If you say, yes I bagged up the bottles and yes I set them out in the trash, BUT... they don't care about the but, you just confessed to the crime.

If they had proof that you committed a crime, you would already have been arrested. All the cops want to do now is have you make statements so they can catch you in a lie. Then they threaten you into confessing to a lesser charge to clear the case. I do not talk to police officers for any reason any more. Since I don't drive now, I don't even have to show a driver's license. Do what you want, but no one ever got in trouble for NOT talking to a cop. Police are NOT your friend. They are there only to make their pension as easily as possible. I sure wouldn't talk to them at all. If arrested demand an attorney immediately, before questioning.

Thank you for everyone.

Is there a chance the police officer still can come to my house or my new work place to arrest me anytime? I just wonder if I move, change my number, and change another new work place. Is it against the law of hiding from the police? Still, they haven't arrested me yet, my advisor told me that I can do whatever I want... move to other province (states) and change phone number? Do you guys think is it a good idea for me?

Thanks for advanced.

If you aren't charged and don't want to deal with this, moving might be a good idea. Depending on how much was taken and what evidence they have would depend on how hard they look for you. But if they want you, you will be found. But if you move get as far out of jurisdiction that you can. If you can leave the county even better. If they do come after you, you still should stay silent.

How do I know if I am charged?

The police officer keep calling me about 3 times a day everyday (all the private numbers are from them). I didn't answer any phone from them. The police officer didn't leave any message at all. Am I still a free man?

Your questions have been answered. If you are not in jail then you are free. If a warrant is issued for your arrest the police can arrest you anywhere they find you.

So the likelihood is a warrant has NOT been issued yet.

What I would recommend is that you get an attorney (Canada does have a legal aid agency) and you and your attorney go to the police station together. You make NO statement, answer NO questions without talking to your attorney. Its possible that they only want to question you to make a case against the manager. But its also possible they want to get a statement from you they can use against you.

But dodging the police and not answering their calls is not going to look good for you. You are better off getting legal representation and volunteering to answer questions WITH your attorney present.

Thank you everybody. :)

I was receiving numerous calls from a police officer about a theft. I have been asking around, some lawyer said that I have no obligation to answer any questions. And I have my right to change my phone number.

Now the police office sent me an email... should I reply her? Or am I going to get into trouble if I don't reply her?

Somehow she got my resume, she also called my references to ask about my address. Hmm... She wrote this email to me is probably want to find me and arrest me? Right?

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========== here is the email she sent to me =========================


I need to speak with you by phone at your earliest convenience. You may phone me at the office at . In the meantime you can reply by email with your current phone numbers including cell phone, home address and place of employment. I also require your Driver's Licence # and your birth date.

I understand that you are not eager to respond to me as you are possibly nervous to do so, but just be aware that at this time my request is only to speak with you regarding some allegations of theft that are against you and to hear your side of the story.

If you choose to evade me, I will instead be forced to simply put a warrant out for your arrest regarding this theft without you having had a chance to defend yourself. Obviously it would be better for you to speak with me before it goes that far. Just for your information, if a warrant is put out, at the next time that you have contact with a police officer you would be arrested on that charge and processed at that time. Naturally this can be extremely inconvenient to you as it is typically during a traffic stop or something of that sort and can of course impede on any personal plans you have at the time and can take a lengthy period to process.

I hope that you can see why it is better for yourself and more efficient for us both to have you contact me by phone, and have a discussion about this.

I look forward to hearing from you,

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You can not just avoid this or they can get you in more serious trouble. You probably should tell them you want to consult a lawyer and/or have a lawyer present but you can not evade this. Evading it can make you look guilty and possibly get you more charges. In the meantime if you are not guilty and somebody else did whatever it could make it more difficult for them to find the right person the more time that goes by.

You can only incriminate yourself by talking to them without a lawyer.

I was receiving numerous calls from a police officer about a theft. I have been asking around, some lawyer said that i have no obligation to answer any questions. and i have my right to change my phone number.

Now the police office sent me an email... should i reply her? or am i going to get into trouble if i don't reply her?

Somehow she got my resume, she also called my references to ask about my address. Hmm... She wrote this email to me is probably want to find me and arrest me? right?

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========== here is the email she sent to me =========================

This is Cst. McKinley #4259 of the Calgary Police Service.

I need to speak with you by phone at your earliest convenience. You may phone me at the office at 403-567-6700. In the meantime you can reply by email with your current phone numbers including cell phone, home address and place of employment. I also require your Driver’s Licence # and your birth date.

I understand that you are not eager to respond to me as you are possibly nervous to do so, but just be aware that at this time my request is only to speak with you regarding some allegations of theft that are against you and to hear your side of the story.

If you choose to evade me, I will instead be forced to simply put a warrant out for your arrest regarding this theft without you having had a chance to defend yourself. Obviously it would be better for you to speak with me before it goes that far. Just for your information, if a warrant is put out, at the next time that you have contact with a police officer you would be arrested on that charge and processed at that time. Naturally this can be extremely inconvenient to you as it is typically during a traffic stop or something of that sort and can of course impede on any personal plans you have at the time and can take a lengthy period of time to process.

I hope that you can see why it is better for yourself and more efficient for us both to have you contact me by phone, and have a discussion about this.

I look forward to hearing from you,

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She pretty much sets it out - talk to her or she will get a warrant. I wouldn't talk to her without an Attorney present.

I would presume you know what this is about or else you would respond to find out what it's about - ?

You know somehow this does not sound right, police sending a email, and wanting all for that ID info, the police will already know her drivers license number if they know her name, if they have her DL number they will know the address listed on that. If that is correct.

And threating to do a warrant in a email if they don't contact them?

But anyway, there is no requirement that you provide them any info or talk to them,

But something about this just does not sound like the real police sending the email??

Yeah it does sound strange like how would they even know your email yet not your drivers license. I would call the phone number and see if they answer [such and such] police station, then I would go to the station to find out what is up but tell them you are not answering anything without a lawyer. Do not provide ANY information through the internet or the phone.

No, I would not even call the number they provided, could be a prepaid cell that they set up to answer like the police dept. I would call the police department out of the phone book and talk to them

I just looked the number up
Calgary Police Service - About the CPS (http://www.calgarypolice.ca/contactus/district_offices.html)

District 8 Office
(403) 567-6800
450 Midpark Way S.E.
T2X 3S4
calgary police station

You could call the police department and validate the request and let them know you are waiting to have your lawyer present!!

No matter what the circumstances talk to your lawyer

From my previous forum, I mentioned about the stealing from a local liquor store when I was working there. The police office keep calling me and want to meet me in person, unfortunately I have consult all the expects on this forum, I have no obligation to talk to her. So, I changed my cell number.

Now, the officer went to my place that I previously rent to look for me, and told my previous landlord about my stealing, and I am trying to escape. She also call all the person that I put on the references while I applied for the job to look for me. She sent me email is because I have email address on my resume.

Oh god! I really have no idea what to do with it. This is a weekend, I think I will take Monday off to find a lawyer to defense me.

I just wonder, is it possible that police office cannot verify my information, and wanting to gather my info to arrest me?

Oh okay, I do remember reading your previous post. By avoiding the police you are making yourself look guilty. You need to call and tell them you are looking for a lawyer and you are not going to talk to them without representation.

Well as most know I used to be a police officer, if I knew your name, and your old cell phone number, I could get your address form the old cell phone company, I can check the computer and get your name and address and drivers license number in a matter of a few minues.
If you own a car I would have that license plate number and its matching address in a few minutes also.

I just looked the number up
Calgary Police Service - About the CPS (http://www.calgarypolice.ca/contactus/district_offices.html)

District 8 Office
(403) 567-6800
450 Midpark Way S.E.,
T2X 3S4
calgary police station

Your previous post on the problem resulting in this so others can catch up

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/criminal-law/theft-police-keep-calling-me-231737.html

Hello:

I disagree with my friends. Don't talk to her. Period. Ever.

excon

PS> Did I say NOT to talk to her?? If you misunderstood what I said, let me repeat myself - DON'T TALK TO THE COPS!

This cop is lying through her teeth - but that's what cops do... She says she wants to give you an opportunity to defend yourself... Bwa, ha ha ha. Cops don't look for reasons NOT to bust somebody. They look for reasons TO bust 'em. Cops are NOT judges. Cops are cops. Cops BUST people. They DON'T let them go after they've made their statements. They ARREST them.

IF she wants to arrest you, she doesn't need your help. She says she doesn't know where to find you, but she's lying again, through her teeth. You think that the cops can find you by email, but they CAN'T find your body?? Nahhh, cops are better than that.

Don't talk to the cops. If you do, you should just report straight to jail, and bypass the cops...

N0help4u agrees: yeah true but shouldn't he at least get a lawyer to acknowledge this for him or something?Hello N0:

WHEN and IF he's arrested, sure... But, until then, nahhhhh. I think the cops are on a fishing expedition.. If they had something, they would have busted him, not invite him to a meeting.

excon

Yeah from his previous post they don't have much to go on and it is more his bosses word against his word so I guess you are right it is a fishing expedition where they want to trip him up and then use his words against him.

HELP! HELP! HELP!
Good news? Or bad news?

I talked to the officer, she told me that she is really angry at the first place for avoiding her, because she is giving me a chance to apology. She said if I can provide my current contact information, and willing to meet her in person, and writing an apology letter to my previous employer, then she will give me a warning and let me go at this time?

Not sure, if this is a good news or bad news? I just afraid she is going use the letter to against me. But she said police always keep what they are saying, since this is a minor case, she just want to get a hold on me and not wanting me to go the entire process of charged.

Police usually keep what they are promising, right?

Are you blatantly being ignorant? Don't talk to her without a lawyer. I could feel for you before but now? This has gone on for 3 pages and you refuse to listen.

YOU. TALK. TO. LAWYER.

/Thread.

I am sorry, I was expecting a charged while I was talking to her tonight, so that, I can make arrangement with my lawyer to get over it, to court or whatever.

But the officer said if I do whatever she tell me to do, then she is going to give me a warning instead of go throw all the warrant and finger print things. This is my first offended, and I have no criminal previously, and also a minor case, she will make this as a warning to be sure I am not do it again, and hope I learn the lesson.

I really have no way to go. I talked to the lawyer, they said not to say anything to the officer until I get arrested. And call them. The lawyer also recommended me to call her to see what she have to say, and provide no information.

But now, the officer promised not going to charged me. If I apology. I think it is good for me, if she keep what she said. Hmm... :(

Hopefully this is a good news.. I will advised the lawyer again tomorrow. :p

Would an officer really go through all of that work just to try and get an apology out of someone.. seems a little fishy.

HELP!! HELP!! HELP!!
Good news? or bad news?

I talked to the officer, she told me that she is really angry at the first place for avoiding her, because she is giving me a chance to apology. She said if i can provide my current contact information, and willing to meet her in person, and writing an apology letter to my previous employer, then she will give me a warning and let me go at this time?

Not sure, if this is a good news or bad news? i just afraid she is going use the letter to against me. But she said police always keep what they are saying, since this is a minor case, she just want to get a hold on me and not wanting me to go the entire process of charged.

Police usually keep what they are promising, right?

Definitely talk to your lawyer before you talk to her again. It does sound like something they could turn around to use against you. By your writing the letter of apology gives them evidence that you must have done it or you would not have written the letter. Maybe if your lawyer says to write the letter he can advise you on a way to write a letter that doesn't incriminate you. IF he says to do the letter I would make sure I made a copy to keep and mentioned in it the police have advised me that they are willing to drop this
AND have your lawyer present the entire time through everything. IF he even thinks it is a good idea.

Your attorney is giving you advice and you refuse to take it? How smart is that?

Police lie all the time to get confessions. There is nothing wrong with that.

If you want to try and get this dropped, then have her sign a statement that if you give her the letter she asks for that all charges will be dropped.

Ouch... :( I will call the lawyer again.. to discuss this issue. I though it's over, but it doesn't seem to be easy. Well... Thanks for advises :(

If you rely on your lawyer and follow what has been suggested to you here it should be easier than what you are making it on yourself.

That's true... But, no lawyer would accept my case, because there is no warrant out to arrest me yet. What they do is give me recommendation. I have contact the lawyer that I was talking with before, and ask him if he would accept my case, and obviously I will pay. I just want to get over it. I don't want police officer call me in the midnight while I am sleeping, or come to my place to arrest me or my work place.

Hmm... :( I hope everything will turn well soon.

I would get your friend then because you need somebody with you when you talk with the police. Remember [WITH your lawyer friend there] tell them to give you a signed paper saying no charges if you send an apology and try wording it in a way that doesn't directly incriminate you like start with something like ''I am sorry about all the confusion and I want to apologize for... "

Thank you Nohelop4U. The lawyer will contact me tomorrow to discuss my issue. Good luck for me :(