I can't afford to vote for McCain and neither can middle and lower class America. Vote Obama!

YouTube - CNN Crunches Obama and McCain Tax Plans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fbxpMw4mco&feature=related)

Whoever the next President is, he will have to raise taxes to pay for the Wars in Iraq and in Afghanistan.

Obama will not tax the families with income under $250,000.00.

Obama Tax Policies Penalize, McCain's Reward - HUMAN EVENTS (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=27025)

Obama will not tax the families with income under $250,000.00.

Say what? Perhaps you would like to revise and extend?

Fat cats get rewarded under the McCain tax structured policy as the CNN non-partisan clearly demonstrated. The more you make the more John McCain looks out for you. Ann Richards targeted George Herbert Walker Bush when she said he was "born with a silver spoon in his mouth," however every Republican since has proved her correct. The break line is at 112K. If you make less than 112K your punished under John McCain's plan. However, for example, if you make 2.9 million, you pay more taxes under Obama, but guess what "Tom"... you're rewarded under John McCain. Yup! There's that reward for the fat cats! Another Republican p!$$ on the under income middle and lower class plan as we suffer through inflation and a slow economy. No thank you "John McCain." Vote Obama!

YouTube - CNN Crunches Obama and McCain Tax Plans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fbxpMw4mco&feature=related)

Obama Tax Policies Penalize, McCain's Reward - HUMAN EVENTS (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=27025)

"Married making $60,000: McCain’s tax is only $9,000. Obama will hit you for $16,000."

If Human Events is right I can't afford Obama. Of course, everyone has their own analysis of their tax plans but they all agree Obama will cost taxpayers more. Obama "would raise taxes for almost 10 million senior households, over a third of the total," for an overall reduction of 1.9 percent in after tax income for seniors according to the Tax Policy Center (http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/).

More class warfare from Democrats; nothing new. So Obama's message to the young folks just entering the labor market is, "Not only will I not reform the Social Security debacle made by your grandparents, but if you are successful and do well in Obama's Amerika, I will punch in you in the pocket-book." We are supposedly, "Land of the free, Home of the brave." Not with Obama, however. More like, "Land of the meek, Home of the Sheep." No thanks.

Let's see... who's figures should we trust? The facts presented by non-partisans as demonstrated on CNN and shown to a world wide audience or a Republican written article by a Republican that voted for Dubya twice?

YouTube - CNN Crunches Obama and McCain Tax Plans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fbxpMw4mco&feature=related)


Vote Obama!

Let's see...who's figures should we trust? The facts presented by non-partisans as demonstrated on CNN and shown to a world wide audience or a Republican written article by a Republican that voted for Dubya twice?!

YouTube - CNN Crunches Obama and McCain Tax Plans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fbxpMw4mco&feature=related)


Vote Obama!
My my: nonpartisans on CNN? CNN as 'nonpartisan'?

George, you deny the facts?

George, you deny the facts?
At this point, a plan is a plan, and all plans depend upon the assumptions involved in the equation. Meanwhile, here are some facts: FactCheck.org: Do middle-income persons pay lower federal income taxes under Bush than they did under Bill Clinton? (http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/do_middle-income_persons_pay_lower_federal_income.html)
Of course, as they say, past results is no guarantee of future results.

Just wanted to make it clear that in this election "McCain vs. Obama" that it was non-partisan study presented by CNN. If you want to go off the subject and speak on Bill Clinton and Dubya, I'll be glad to help you beat both of them up.

Hello:

Let's see - we got statistics, and we got other statistics.. Then we got politicians. I don't believe any of 'em.

DO I believe that Obama has MY interests at heart better than does McCain? I DO, and THAT'S how I'm going to make my decision...

This other stuff, is just okee doak.

excon

Just wanted to make it clear that in this election "McCain vs. Obama" that it was non-partisan study presented by CNN. If you want to go off the subject and speak on Bill Clinton and Dubya, I'll be glad to help you beat both of them up.
The point is, in politics, it is never "non-partisan"; and in politics, there is context. Clinton promised tax cuts, just to beat the Elder Bush, in which he lied and raised taxes. I can recall Bill saying, "I've worked harder on this than any thing in my life and we just can't afford this tax cut...blah, blah, blah...." That, Bobby-boy, is a Democrat tax cut. Obama will be no different; in fact, the "Bush" tax cuts will expire in 2010, right? And then Obama has his 'soak the successful' program that you are swooning over.

The inflation tax hasn't run its full course yet. When it has, real taxes will be raised... don't worry. When they are, I'll bet your poor ole grey haired granny will be hit harder than Bill Gates or your garden variety Wall Street Execs.

The point is, in politics, it is never "non-partisan"; and in politics, there is context. Clinton promised tax cuts, just to beat the Elder Bush, in which he lied and raised taxes. I can recall Bill saying, "I've worked harder on this than any thing in my life and we just can't afford this tax cut...blah, blah, blah...." That, Bobby-boy, is a Democrat tax cut. Obama will be no different; in fact, the "Bush" tax cuts will expire in 2010, right? And then Obama has his 'soak the successful' program that you are swooning over.


You keep moving the target George. Now the argument is that Obama and McCain both liars based on past politicians. All right. I can see your sick of politicians in general. Who isn't? I certainly am! I place politicians in a category next to car salesman, lawyers, and visits to the dentist. Now if you can afford otherwise, vote for McCain. I have plenty of friends that are simply voting for John McCain because they are wealthy, but I'm not. Actually some of are very wealthy. Yes, as is, I'd rather soak the wealthy, I know they can afford it. I'm currently looking to put my wife to work part-time for a second income. Oh! Bobby-boy here has his eyes on a new model Kahr Arms / .45 ACP Models / PM Series (http://www.kahr.com/PA-1_45acp_pm.html) (for conceal carry factor) and yet that's not even close to being in my current budget. My wife wants a few things herself like Toyota Cars, Trucks, SUVs & Accessories (http://www.toyota.com/). Hmm come to think of it, a second car might become a necessity if she gets a job, and perhaps I'll just buy a used vehicle and let her drive my car. Anyway my point is that we've put off purchasing from the wish list so often just for our family necessities. Outside of some connections and fringe benefits, I'm your average Joe middle class guy. That's another reason why I'm voting Obama.

OK. You're OK, Bobby; just a little young and abused.

I think your around my pops age, in your mid to late sixties? I never knew if that 1950 was associated with your actual birth date or represented something else? Abused? Well I had previous a marriage to fiery hot headed Latina from Brazil and that probably counts for some wear and tear :eek:. Life's certainly a wonderful continuous learning process and we can never learn enough.

You are obviously a bright fellow, Bobby. What I would like to know is why you say: "I'd rather soak the wealthy, I know they can afford it." How do you feel about just going to one of your friends and/or neighbors and just taking their money because they can afford it; just pull out your gun or whatever weapon of choice amuses you, and take their money, which no one gave to them, and give it to the government? I hope you wouldn't do that, but it's no less a theft to hire Obama to steal for you. Bobby, you work for your money and it's yours; same with me. How do you reconcile giving your neighbor or the IRS the authority to take what does not belong to them?

You keep moving the target George. Now the argument is that Obama and McCain both liars based on past politicians. Alright. I can see your sick of politicians in general. Who isn't?! I certainly am! I place politicians in a category next to car salesman, lawyers, and visits to the dentist. Now if you can afford otherwise, vote for McCain. I have plenty of friends that are simply voting for John McCain because they are wealthy, but I'm not. Actually some of are very wealthy. Yes, as is, I'd rather soak the wealthy, I know they can afford it. I'm currently looking to put my wife to work part-time for a second income. Oh! Bobby-boy here has his eyes on a new model Kahr Arms / .45 ACP Models / PM Series (http://www.kahr.com/PA-1_45acp_pm.html) (for conceal carry factor) and yet that's not even close to being in my current budget. My wife wants a few things herself like Toyota Cars, Trucks, SUVs & Accessories (http://www.toyota.com/). Hmm come to think of it, a second car might become a necessity if she gets a job, and perhaps I'll just buy a used vehicle and let her drive my car. Anyway my point is that we've put off purchasing from the wish list so often just for our family necessities. Outside of some connections and fringe benefits, I'm your average Joe middle class guy. That's another reason why I'm voting Obama.

I just want one of them circus canons that I can shoot myself out of. That would cover a new gun and a new car.

George-

Both candidates have realized that taxation is inevitable. However, to McCain's credit, I noticed that he has somewhat regressed from the trickle down economics policies that Republicans have championed for the past two decades. We have huge debts, ongoing wars, and crumbling infrastructure in America. Given the two choices and views of our candidates, I'm choosing the one that lessens the taxation load on the middle class (and lower), i.e. Obama, and the Democrats. It's not about a redistribution of wealth as some have surmised and it's not a form of communism. It's about not pushing more responsibilities on those that already are having difficult times in this country. I see this as a window for reform to help bridge the ever widening gap between "the have and haves not." Which ironically Dubya claimed to help, but rather the opposite effect has occurred. The only rub in taxation of the upper class, is that large American corporations do not see a moral obligation keep people hired, but rather keep their dear executives in six figure annual bonuses in addition to their six and seven figure salaries. Now having said all this, personally I've been a proponent for having a consumption tax system going on some twenty years now. That would be doing away with both McCain and Obama's taxation proposals. This would give us some balance down the road, and resolve the ever ending battle of the Republicans and Democrats see-sawing back in forth with the quest of who ends paying the brunt of taxes.


Magprob-

That would bring a whole new meaning to security and car pooling. :)

Bobby: you can't do this with just a nonpartisan endorsement about a plan ("I'm choosing the one that lessens the taxation load on the middle class (and lower), i.e. Obama, and the Democrats"). You must attend to the context as I explained earlier; there will not be a middle class tax cut under the Democrats.
And here: "I see this as a window for reform to help bridge the ever widening gap between "the have and haves not." Which ironically Dubya claimed to help, but rather the opposite effect has occurred. The only rub in taxation of the upper class, is that large American corporations do not see a moral obligation keep people hired, but rather keep their dear executives in six figure annual bonuses in addition to their six and seven figure salaries." This is where you begin to cross into the land of fascism; be vigilant.

Again you're using circular logic with an argument that goes back to your opinion that a non-partisan study by CNN is biased. I read very little from your proclaimed denoted elder wisdom that puts a dent in their CNN chart. You provided a link that admits "Yes" there would be more tax cuts for the middle class under Obama and H. Clinton's admins, rather than McCain's proposal, but with lesser figures. I've heard from McCain supporters using Republicans blogs and articles, but not one network has done a non-partisan study to contradict the CNN analysis. Come on pops, I gave you credit and agreed with you that politicians in general are not trust-able. But regardless of how much we all can't stomach politicians, inevitably a politician will be elected in November.

Again you're using circular logic with an argument that goes back to your opinion that a non-partisan study by CNN is biased. I read very little from your proclaimed denoted elder wisdom that puts a dent in their CNN chart. .
Nothing circular about being realistic about Democrats and their ill-informed shillers, paid and unpaid: Here is how your 'non-partisan' analysis is reported elsewhere: "Analysts say Obama offers three times the tax break for middle class
By KEVIN LANDRIGAN, Staff Writer
CONCORD – The tax cut plan of Democratic nominee to be Barack Obama offers three times the break for middle class families than proposals of likely Republican nominee John McCain, according to analysts working for a left-leaning think tank.
…

The McCain campaign fired back Wednesday that it’s their candidate who has a better record of voting for tax cuts while Obama, in the Senate, has voted to raise some taxes.

“Barack Obama voted 94 times to raise taxes in just three years in the Senate. Any suggestion that he’ll lower taxes for hard-working New Hampshire families is an insult to their intelligence,” said Jeff Grappone, McCain’s New England communications director.

“Facts are facts. Barack Obama has promised higher income taxes, Social Security taxes, capital gains taxes, dividend taxes and tax hikes on small businesses. These tax hikes will hit middle class Americans and seniors hardest, and it’s change we can’t afford.”
…

McCain’s plan give this group an average tax cut of $270,000, the report said.
By contrast, Obama would raise taxes for these wealthy families by an average $700,000 a year according to the report.

Obama pays for his plan in part by raising the top tax rate on capital gains and dividends to 25 percent.

McCain eventually sets those rates to be no higher than 15 percent.
The individual authors of this 36-page report work for the Tax Policy Center, a joint venture of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution.

They state these conclusions are their own and aren’t meant to represent views of the Tax Policy Center.”
Nashuatelegraph.com: Analysts say Obama offers three times the tax break for middle class (http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080611/NEWSBLOG/244217910)
A "left-leaning think tank" (The Tax Policy Center) that sponsors analysis that the think tank doesn't endorse? What kind of credentials are those, son?

Hey old boy,

From your link:

"By contrast, Obama would raise taxes for these wealthy families by an average $700,000 a year according to the report."

Well cry me a river "George." Those making 2.8 million plus a year will be desolate and on welfare. How are they ever going to make it? :rolleyes:



"McCain lowers the top corporate income tax rate from 35 percent to 25 percent. Obama would raise it from 35 percent now to 39.6 percent."

Oh! That will do it. Take Dubya's vision in the same direction and extend it even further. More of the same trickle down economics that provide execs with even fatter end of the year bonuses. :eek: Plug this into your search engine "2007 US Top executive bonuses" and the results, "301,000 for 2007 US Top 100 executive bonuses. (0.20 seconds)." Now plug this into your search engine "Corporation downsizing" and the results,"1,440,000 for Corporation downsizing. (0.30 seconds)."

Well Bobby I'm sure you are well aware that we are one of the countries with the highest corporate tax rates and that puts our companies at a competitive disadvantage . I'm also sure you know that corporate taxes get passed onto the customers of the company in the price of goods and services they provide.

I'm also sure you know that corporate taxes get passed onto the customers of the company in the price of goods and services they provide.Hello tom:

Yeah, that's the standard rhetoric. I believed it too. I kind of still do... But, I also believe that boards of directors AREN'T nuts... If given the choice between raising prices and cutting managements obscene salary's, I'll bet that most will cut the salary.

Of course, there's a few directors who are themselves obscenely overpaid CEO's who wouldn't do that... But, those companies with boards like that, are dinosaurs and will be weeded out - or they SHOULD be if they weren't propped up by lobbyists and their buddies in congress.

The markets are STRONGER than ANY government. What we're seeing now, is the markets reasserting their dominance. THOSE companies WILL fall by the wayside, and I'm not going to miss 'em. These are going to be the big guys too... United Airlines... Ford... GM... The biggies.

excon

I got no problem with companies going down . We spend too much time and resources trying to prop them up ;mostly due to union pressure to preserve jobs.

But the facts about the cap gains is undeniable. Countries with growing or emerging economies all have lower cap gains taxes than we do .Arguments against a capital gains tax cut must be tempered by the knowledge that a large and growing proportion of Americans in the "middle class "that Obama pretends to want to protect hold assets generating capital gains.

By the way ;Bobby is right about a move toward consumption taxation.. but that will never happen.

Middle class America can't even afford to invest into their own retirement.

The Daily Item, Sunbury, PA - Disappearing class (http://www.dailyitem.com/0111_letters/local_story_169233042.html)


"On inflation, from gas, home heating oil, food, electricity, byproducts from oil, everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. I saw this coming more than one year ago at the same time the stock market started heading south, almost 2,500 points from its high.

First off, because one's paycheck no longer can accommodate all the increases, those who were funding a 401K and IRA, which employers matched contributions, stopped their deductions funding their IRA and 401K. The winners are the big companies that no longer having to match those employee deductions -- more profit in their coffers.

Now the retirees can no longer sustain their way of life and must start pulling more than allowed by the IRS in order to sustain a minimal quality of life. Keep in mind, they're dipping into their retirement when the market is down 2,500 points. Never pull your money out in a down market, but they have no other choice. They're getting a double whammy -- pulling out their money in a down market and losing from what it was before the market headed south.

If retirees pull more than the allocated percentage that they're able to withdraw, they stand to pay a 10 percent penalty by the IRS. Active employees who are not yet retired, if they withdraw, are subject to a fine and penalty if they withdraw before 59 1/2 years of age. As you can see, the middle class or blue-collar worker has no other choice in lieu of today's crisis. Before long, between the employees and the retirees exhausting their savings early and having nothing to withdraw, they move down the ladder to the poor class from the middle class."



Only 28% of Americans ready to retire (http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2008/06/23/20080623retirement0623-CR.html)

"Today's financial problems may have a huge impact on many families' futures. Nearly 3 out of 4 Americans worry about saving enough for retirement, some so much, they don't save at all.

"I spend it as quick as I make it, unfortunately. You always need something." Phil Scudelha is over 65 years old, but he says with the high cost of living, he can't retire. "there is no retirement anymore, you can't afford it." He's not alone. A new study released today from bankrate.com says only 28% of Americans will be able to retire comfortably, 33% say they'll have just enough, and 19% say they'll never be able to retire.

"I think the survey is front-loaded to get responses from people that already have 401k's and are pretty well set up in retirement. Low income folks have a really hard time saving." Patrick Jordan is with the non-profit group Arizona Saves that helps families save for the future. He says if you want to live comfortably at retirement, you'll need about $1 million in your savings. "Nowadays we don't have pensions and retirement plans from employers, so the amount people have to save is astronomical."

well Bobby I'm sure you are well aware that we are one of the countries with the highest corporate tax rates and that puts our companies at a competitive disadvantage . I'm also sure you know that corporate taxes get passed onto the customers of the company in the price of goods and services they provide.

EVERYTHING gets passed on to the consumer in the way of higher prices. Think about this, charitable giving hit a record high in 2007 (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jxccpBITwO2_Cc8vwcI8Q0ONJr2A), what's going to happen to that when the Obamanator hits us with his tax increases? Oh that's right, he'll take it out of our hands where it can be effective and give it to the feckless UN to reach the United Nations Millennium Summit goals (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56405) to help restore our shattered image abroad. Is there anything about Obama that isn't about image?

Is there anything about Obama that isn't about image?

The big thing is that as he moves towards the center the onion continues to peel. The latest is his p*ssing off gays by making the point that he thinks marriage is between men and women . But that is for another posting . As far as the economy goes; I think he is as clueless as McCain claims to be.

what's going to happen to that when the Obamanator hits us with his tax increases?

Cry me a river! Well you'll have to cut back on the grey poupon dijon mustard and tighten up your belt like the rest of us in middle and lower class America. I'll even help you learn how to shop on a budget.

Cry me a river! Well you'll have to cut back on the grey poupon dijon mustard and tighten up your belt like the rest of us in middle and lower class America. I'll even help you learn how to shop on a budget.


Did you forget that's the DNC's area of expertise?

http://damnrebel.com/uploads/Politics/DNC_Crybaby.jpg

Besides, I don't eat that uppity mustard and I am part of us in middle and lower class America. ;)

the big thing is that as he moves towards the center the onion continues to peel. The latest is his p*ssing off gays by making the point that he thinks marriage is between men and women . But that is for another posting . As far as the economy goes; I think he is as clueless as McCain claims to be.

He pi$$ed off Muslims, too (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jfXRK7bSCugwY9XFaEROz6yoAnNQ).

He better watch out other pols have been known to be subject of fatwahs.
Here is the link that is upsetting gays .
ABC News: Transcript: Full Obama Interview (http://www.abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/Story?id=5178123&page=4)
And the reaction
http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/06/19/no-cake-for-obama-at-same-sex-weddings/

Bwa ha ha ha ha... like the Republican party is now sponsoring luncheons for the Gay and Muslim communities! Drink slower guys. Sip! Sip! Sip! :D

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/2/3538786_4015783e54.jpg

Oh that's right, he'll take it out of our hands where it can be effective and give it to the feckless UN to reach the United Nations Millennium Summit goals (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56405) to help restore our shattered image abroad.

This unforunately will be a done deal before the election. The House already passed the measure by unanimous voice vote

H.R. 1302: Global Poverty Act of 2007 (GovTrack.us) (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1302)

And it is rumored that the vote in the Senate will come after the July 4 recess. I don't think there are enough votes to stall it procedurally ;and I think a Presidential veto will be over-ridden.

he better watch out other pols have been known to be subject of fatwahs.
Here is the link that is upsetting gays .
ABC News: Transcript: Full Obama Interview (http://www.abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/Story?id=5178123&page=4)
And the reaction
http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/06/19/no-cake-for-obama-at-same-sex-weddings/
From the transcript:

You know, I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, but I also think that same-sex partners should be able to visit each other in hospitals, they should be able to transfer property, they should be able to get the same federal rights and benefits that are conferred onto married couples.
And so, you know, as president, my job is to make sure that the federal government is not discriminating and that we maintain the federal government's historic role in not meddling with what states are doing when it comes to marriage law. That's what I'll do as president.


From the Reuters blog:

Added Stephen Willard : ”He was a civil rights lawyer. It just seems weird to me that he doesn’t think we should have full civil rights.”

M. Willard is a confused person since M. Obama agrees with him. I too agree with Obama: you can't force the church to marry gays, they are too set in their ways with their old book, gays should have a civil union to secure their rights as a couple. Having said that are churches that voluntarily marry gay couples so that option is open.

I thought I made my position clear on that . I fully agree that from a contractual legal point ;civil unions should have exactly the same rights as marriage .

That is not the issue .

I agree with tom on civil unions as well.

What do you expect from the church which is "too set in their ways with their old book" as you put it, NK? That "old book" is our standard - kind of like our constitution is the American standard. Should we abandon our standards and have no particular guidelines in either case?

I agree with tom on civil unions as well.

What do you expect from the church which is "too set in their ways with their old book" as you put it, NK? That "old book" is our standard - kind of like our constitution is the American standard. Should we abandon our standards and have no particular guidelines in either case?
You have to remember that when you are dealing with Libs/Dems, they have no problem in dismissing the Church, or the Constitution.

In MOST cases, neither one mirrors their twisted view of things.

"too set in their ways with their old book" is about what I would expect to hear, no surprise there.

You have to remember that when you are dealing with Libs/Dems, they have no problem in dismissing the Church, or the Constitution.

In MOST cases, neither one mirrors their twisted view of things.<yawn> Your repetition of your hatred is tiresome.

Of course the real question for Obama, who claims to think words are important ;is does he agree with the attempt to redefine the word marriage to serve a politcal agenda ? I think that is why they are angry with him. He has been the candidate of special interests who are now asking him to stick to their doctrine as he attempts to expand his base.

<yawn> Your repetition of your hatred is tiresome.
Hatred is a pretty strong word you know?

I see far less hatred in my posts as compared to yours, but I still get a kick out of reading them.

You really have no obligation to read anything I post, sorry to make you yawn.

The truth can be a painful thing at times.

Hatred in my posts? Where? I have 5,600 posts here since December 2004 with a bunch of greenies for thanks/approval. I don't believe I ooze hatred for an entire group of people as I see in some posts here.

Hatred is a pretty strong word ya know?

I see far less hatred in my posts as compared to yours, but I still get a kick out of reading them.

You really have no obligation to read anything I post, sorry to make you yawn.

The truth can be a painful thing at times.

progunr, it's obvious that all one needs to do to be 'hateful' in their eyes is be conservative. I'm still waiting for the examples (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/hollywood-media-228866-post1105828.html#post1105828) of my hatred/intolerance...

progunr, it's obvious that all one needs to do to be 'hateful' in their eyes is be conservative.Hello Steve:

Not true, Steve. You and I are opposed on most political issues. You're not hateful to me, nor I you. Same with the progundude. You're actually, gasp, my friends.

Having said that, the progundude DOES say some pretty damn imflamatory things about the left leaning folk - things YOU, and tom, and DK, and Elliot DON'T say.

The right isn't defiled by NK, nor myself, nor anybody here except Choux, and we forgive her.

excon

Hello Steve:

Not true, Steve. You and I are opposed on most political issues. You're not hateful to me, nor I you. Same with the progundude. You're actually, gasp, my friends.

Having said that, the progundude DOES say some pretty damn imflamatory things about the left leaning folk - things YOU, and tom, and DK, and Elliot DON'T say.

The right isn't defiled by NK, nor myself, nor anybody here except Choux, and we forgive her.

Ex, careful with that friends stuff, might get you excommunicated. ;)

Surely you know I don't include you in they, them, their or "you guys" either, I do consider you a friend. I'll leave the assessment of the other two the rest of our members.

Hello Steve:

Not true, Steve. You and I are opposed on most political issues. You're not hateful to me, nor I you. Same with the progundude. You're actually, gasp, my friends.

Having said that, the progundude DOES say some pretty damn imflamatory things about the left leaning folk - things YOU, and tom, and DK, and Elliot DON'T say.

The right isn't defiled by NK, nor myself, nor anybody here except Choux, and we forgive her.

excon

I like that word, "inflamatory"!

I can see where that might fit here and there.

I don't want to get mushy, but you're my friend too!

Really though, in the post that NK accused me of "repetitive hatred", does it really qualify as hatred?

I don't see it that way, thus, the reason for the sarcastic reply.

Oh, by the way, I got an A in sarcasm in high school, and my old man always told me that I was the reason they didn't send donkeys to school...

Are we still talking taxes? The Dems never met a tax they didn't like. (Apologies to Will Rogers)

Are we still talking taxes? The Dems never met a tax they didn't like. (Apologies to Will Rogers)
Depends on what kind of Democrat Will Rogers was; after all, FDR, a Clinton protégé, ran as a conservative and governed as a lib/fascist. I doubt Rogers was in that crowd.

I can't afford to vote for McCain and neither can middle and lower class America. Vote Obama!

YouTube - CNN Crunches Obama and McCain Tax Plans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fbxpMw4mco&feature=related)

Can you promise Obama won't raise taxes?

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Sky- Bless your little heart, you try so hard to become relevant on this board. Both the candidates will raise taxes, that's not a revelation. What income bracket are you in?

Can you promise Obama won't raise taxes?[/URL]

Can you promise he won't get elected?

Can you promise he won't get elected?

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Wow! One moment you preach Christian pro-life and the next you aligned yourself with Progressive Politics, Feminism, Gay Rights, Lesbian Rights, Liberal Politics, Equality, Same-sex marriage, and Anti-Bush supporters of the "Just say no deal coalition." Oy vey! :rolleyes:

Oh, if only I could!! However, if the "Just Say No Deal!" trend continues and Hillary's name is written on the ballots of all the states as the alternative candidate by the millions who still support her, we just might be seeing your question come to fruition! Oh, let's hope! Come On Everybody... let's write Hillary on the ballot as the alternative candidate with the most experience and savvy! After all, with that kind of support, it would truly be hope we could very much believe in!

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Ok, I'll write in Hellary and you write in Ron Paul. Deal?

Mag- Sky's scorned and hell knoweth no fury.


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Yep. Let go Sky. You have to learn to let go. Just-Let-Go.
Nice picture by the way Bobby.

Ok, I'll write in Hellary and you write in Ron Paul. Deal?

But each of our votes would, in effect, cancel the other out. So, tell you what -- It's Hillary or bust!

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Yep. Let go Sky. You have to learn to let go. Just-Let-Go.
Nice picture by the way Bobby.

Can't let go of a GREAT thing, Mag, especially with MILLIONS of supporters and GROWING each new day! That's why we say...

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Exactly. Each of our votes would be meaningless. Get with the program and vote for a viable candidate. Just vote. I have decided to go with McSame. If we don't kill the Arabs for oil, we will have none. I gota drive my big azz Chevy pickup regardless of what the rest of the world thinks. As a matter of a fact, just this moment, I am listening to the Cure's, Killing an Arab. Great album... just great! Drip, drip, drip!

Exactly. Each of our votes would be meaningless. Get with the program and vote for a viable candidate. Just vote. I have decided to go with McSame. If we don't kill the Arabs for oil, we will have none. I gota drive my big azz Chevy pickup regardless of what the rest of the world thinks. As a matter of a fact, just this moment, I am listening to the Cure's, Killing an Arab. Great album...just great! Drip, drip, drip!

Well, the important thing, Mag, is that you vote even if you can't support Hillary at this time. At least you're not supporting Obama! Thanks for that!

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I think Obama is a bright, well meaning person. I like him. But when it comes down to it, I am a republican at heart that believes in working for your living and trading the fruits of your labor for the services you require. I cannot see paying a tax to lift the rest of the world out of poverty. That is completely insane.
The fed has stopped cutting the interest and soon it will cause the inflation to lower. When it does, and GOD willing McCain is president, we will be off and running again. We will be drilling in my backyard for oil and cutting trees to build more houses and every one of us free enterprise pirates will be scamming and jamming and making bank. The thought of it just turns me on!
On the other hand, Obama will have me playing nurse maid to a bunch of sorry bastards that would just as soon cut my throat. No thank you. Get your own. Make your own. Build your own or live in a mud hut if you like. Since the dawn of time, this planet has operated on the fairest plan it can, survival of the fittest. I have been doing it too long to become a socialist. At this point, I love scamming and jamming for the almighty buck. Keeps me young and thinking. All I really want from the republicans is smaller government and less control. Just like GOD made the first Republicans.
Yes, I voted for bush but he pissed me off. He should have just killed the Saudis, the Iraqis, and everyone else within the collateral damage area and be done with it. Don't stop bombing till the oil is gushing from the ground. Instead, he brought the intrigue to American citizens with phone taps and other bull that we don't need or deserve. If your going to whoop azz then do it, get it over with and move on to the next idiots that need a good azz whoopin. This war is taking too long and costing too much money. Too many young men from my town are dying. Any redneck can tell you how it's done, just "Get'er Done!"