I want to add another bathroom and want to cut out the cast iron elbow for the existing toilet, so that I can install a WYE, reconnect the existing toilet and run a 4" PVC drain pipe to the new bathroom.

Is it permissible to cut about 3'' or so from the bell nearest to the stack and use a 4 band no hub coupling to connect the PVC to?

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I want to add another bathroom and want to cut out the cast iron elbow for the existing toilet, so that I can install a WYE, reconnect the existing toilet and run a 4" PVC drain pipe to the new bathroom.

I'm wondering if I can cut about 3'' or so from the bell nearest to the stack and use a 4 band no hub coupling to connect the PVC to?

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If the horizontal section we see in the photo is going to a toilet and nowhere else, then it is a trap arm and you cannot pick up another bathroom on it.

However, if there is room to do so, you could always cut a wye into the vertical stack and take off from that point.

I don't think I can fit another WYE above the one that is there now. There is already a wye there for the toilet and if you look there is a third port where you see the 2" copper drain for the tub/lav fixtures.

Here are several more pics, maybe someone can offer some other options.

The bathroom that I want to add is right beside the existing bathroom on the same floor, and in the same direction of where the horizontal pipe for the toilet is.

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MADIY:

Iamgrowler told you exactly how to do this, but I am sure you just don't know plumbing lingo... so...

You cannot connect into the horizontal line going to toilet. The reason is that you would be interrupting the vent for that toilet and that is plumbing 101 no-no!

You can connect into the vertical stack with a 4" x 3" cast iron NO HUB WYE fitting and mission or proflex transitioning shielded clamps... see pics. Below.

You would then transition off the 3" branch of the cast iron wye fitting to pvc using these same shielded clamps. Then install a dandy cleanout (see pic.) and run 3" pvc pipe over to bathroom.

This new bathroom will require it's own minimum 2" vent for the toilet and the sink....maybe also an 1.5" vent if tub/shower involved here as well... maybe? Let us know if you need help laying out the plumbing design.

When cutting into the vertical stack you absolutely MUST support the weight of the stack using a riser clamp (see pic. Below). Here, install the clamp tightly under the upper bell of the vertical stack and then support on both sides of the clamp with solid 2"x4" studs... don't install on an angle, but straight under the hanger ends (make 1/4" longer than measured and just bang them under hanger with a hammer).

Let us know what you think... MARK

MADIY:

Let us know if you need help laying out the plumbing design.

Let us know what you think....MARK

Thanks for your response.

Yes, if you don't mind, I'd like a little guidance with this.

The bathrooms would be side by side and are approx 5'x9' each. Both bathrooms would be at the rear of my house and on an outside wall. Both bathrooms would have tubs, lavs and toilets.

Thanks for any guidance you can provide.

Tell me if you are keeping the existing bathroom as it is... and are only adding a new bathroom so it is back to back... right?

You don't plan to redo the plumbing to the old bathroom.. right? You just want to add a new bathroom while disturbing the old bathroom as little as possible... yes..?

Let me know everything you can...

A drawing... even a crude one with old, and new clearly separated and WHERE THE drain line is in relation to bathromms would help me tons!

Get back to me...

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The drain/ main stack as seen in this following pic, is on the back wall. The same back wall where the existing bathroom is and the other will be. That stack goes up the wall where the existing bathroom currently is.

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The existing bath is right above the room in this pic.. You can see the stack in the left corner where the dryer vent is.. Everything in this room is coming out, including walls.

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I do plan on redoing the existing bathroom plumbing because the toilet and tub will be moved to the back wall.

The new bathroom wall will be about 3ft the left of the existing tub drain shown in the pic.

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OK... I am working double shift tomorrow... so won't have much on this until Saturday night or so... ok?

If I lose you and don't post by Sun AM... just PM me by clicking on my NAME by the picture in this post

I will try to draw something up and post soon.

Good night... MARK
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Ok thanks, I appreciate your help...

I am glad to help!

I won't forget... I promise. But if I do ;) --->> You PM me right away... and will hop right on it!

Bump!

Hellow is there any out there??

Hi madiyer11:

Hey there...

Once you stated... "I do plan on redoing the existing bathroom plumbing because the toilet and tub will be moved to the back wall. The new bathroom wall will be about 3ft the left of the existing tub drain shown in the pic"...

I am afraid I need some more info. Any chance of a crude drawing of exactly how the fixtures will be laid out in relation to each other??

Otherwise I am just guessing and that will not help you at all. Let me know and will pump out a plumbing design for you... MARK

The bathroom will be as shown in this floor plan. Tub, toilet and lav on the same wall. Both bathrooms are will be on the same wall as the main stack, with the furthest bathroom being approx 18ft from the main stack. My bathrooms will be side by side as pictured, but with tub to tub being back to back..

Great Pic...

Which bathroom is old... which new..

Where is the cast iron stack in relation to all this...

And you said, tubs would be back to back... what about the toilet and sink then..?

Get back to me.

Drawings of old and new baths..

Thank you!! Just what I needed!

I will work on this tonight and post a picture with plumbing design then.

Check back around 9:00 or 10:OO eastern time... ;)

Should have a good plumbing design by then... ;) Talk soon... MARK

Actually the main stack is closer to the outside than pictured.. it is actually on the outside wall..

Hey Madiyer11:

OK... just to get you started...

Obviously you need building, electrical and plumbing permits on this job.

Now... I assume you are planning to install the new bathroom while keeping the old one up and running... yes? Frankly, it would be easier to rip it all out and repipe all new... but probably is not feasible?

Anyway, all applies that I stated in my post #4 of this thread... "You can connect into the vertical stack with a 4" x 3" cast iron NO HUB WYE fitting and mission or proflex transitioning shielded clamps. You would then transition off the 3" branch of the cast iron wye fitting to pvc using these same shielded clamps. Then install a dandy cleanout (see pic.) and run 3" pvc pipe over to bathroom".

Then pipe new bathroom according to basic WET VENT principles... Here, you pipe that 3" pvc over to the toilet. Just before the 3" pvc ends as the toilet elbow itself, install a 3" x 2" wye fitting that will pick up the tub and sink. The vent for the sink acts as a wet vent for the toilet, the sink AND the tub.

This sink drain/vent must be 2" full size all the way until it connects into another 2" vent upstairs or in the attic.

Check out this picture below:

It presents a basic idea of what you need to do... EXCEPT you want to use wyes wherever it looks like pipes connect in a TEE fashion on the horizontal... ok? That is, no TEE fittings on horizontal pipes (vertical... sanitary tees OK). If you check the pic. Against what I described should make more sense.

Anyway... that should get you started. Are you planning to install this yourself..

I told you how to safely cut into a vertical cast iron stack... can be quite dangerous work if done wrong! And not to over-emphasize... but men have died doing this wrong... so just be sure you have the skills to match the ego if you intend to do this yourself!! ;)

Get back to me with any questions you may have... MARK

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I wanted to take out everything but the main stack. I was hoping I could remove the existing tee from the stack that connects the old toilet and install a wye and 4" pipe that could service both bathrooms. I wanted to move the old toilet as well.

Is it possible for me to service both bathrooms off the 3 or 4" pipe coming of the wye?

You can cut into the stack and run a 3" or 4" pipe... either works here. I would probably run a 4" main trunk line and branch off 3" for each bathroom separately.

In this manner, 4" runs length of both baths with an end clean out and also has a cleanout back where it connects at the vertical stack.

Then basically, as pictured in the above picture for both bathrooms.

Keep me posted... and AGAIN... are you planning on doing this work yourself?

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Thanks for your reply and yes I will be doing this myself.

I have a few other question about venting.

There is a window in the current bath and will not be moved. There is about 38" of space between that window and the floor. I want to install my drain for the lav about 24" from the floor and send my 2" vent line up about 12" more and go horizontal for approx 18' until I pickup the current vent.

I want to do it this way so that I can pick up the vent in the current bathroom wall that goes up to the roof and avoid putting another hole in the roof. The current vent in the roof is 4". Would this be acceptable?

My next question is can I run the tub/lav drains off a wye on the toilet arm? The lav/tub would be vented, so would this be an acceptable vent for the toilet?

The layout for the drains would be a wye off the stack with clean out. 4" line to 4x4 wye, then to a 4x2 wye off that arm for the lav/tub. Same for the next bathroom and at the end of the 4" run install a clean out.

Does any of this sound acceptable?

Hi:

Lavatory drain from finished floor is 20" to center of 2" x 1.5" sanitary tee fitting, then up and over as required....but you're not planning to run that vent 18 feet through studs/joists are you...??

You want to offset around the window and get vent pipe into the joist bay at the cieling if possible then run that pipe into attic and make connection at 4" or any 2" vent or larger. This way only drilling a couple holes and also reducing the horizontal distance of vent. Vertical unlimited in this case...horizontal distance exceeds limits..so try to go vertical as much as possible.

Yes you want to branch of the 4" trunk line with a 4" x 3" wye for EACH bathroom (then a 4" end clean out on trunk line).

Then install a 3" x 2" wye to pick up the lavatory and tub as in the picture in between that 4" x3" wye and the toilet elbow.

It is the 2" lavatory vent that WET VENTS the tub and toilet in each bathroom!


And layout is as follows (YOU WILL LIKE THIS):

NO NEED TO CUT INTO THE VERTICAL STACK HERE... I think you can cut into the 4" horizontal pipe that picks up the toilet. Originally when you asked us if could use that pipe we did not understand all information...but since you will be doing all of this over you can now simply cut the horizontal cast iron pipe once...;) , and attach onto it with a shielded clamp and you are ready to start!!

Then you will straighten the angle of that horizontal cast pipe out by installing a 4" street 22.5 or a 45 degree fitting (that should straighten the trunk line out). Then want to install a 4"x3" wye for first bathroom, run trunk line down abit and then install a second 4"x3" wye for the other bath, and then install an end cleanout at end of 4" run.

Then pipe bath as presented from toilet piping....be clear that there is no 4" x 2" wye here...;) Needs to be piped so it is inline with toilet!!

It will be tight fitting, but looks like pretty straight shot at all this. Just leave enough space off that back wall to run all this piping...I would stay about 3 feet off back wall with the 4" trunk line... then branch back toward each bathroom with the 4" x 3" wyes I talked about.

Let me know what you think...

Hi:

but you're not planning to run that vent 18 feet through studs/joists are you...??

You want to offset around the window and get vent pipe into the joist bay at the cieling if possible then run that pipe into attic and make connection at 4" or any 2" vent or larger. This way only drilling a couple holes and also reducing the horizontal distance of vent. Vertical unlimited in this case...horizontal distance exceeds limits..so try to go vertical as much as possible.



Thanks A MILLION!!

Yes, at first I was going to run the vent through the studs, but clearly wasn't thinking about the structural integrity of that outside wall. So I will just send the vent into the attic and catch the current vent up there.

You just don't know how glad I am that I can cut that horizontal pipe off and use what's there... I will post pictures as I progress through this project.. I will be starting in about a couple weeks..

Good luck!