Does anyone have info on so-called water fueled hybrid vehicles? Is it actually possible to run a car using water for fuel?

I don't know about water, but they are experimenting with hydrogen and what it gives off is water, they already have concept cars they are evaluating there performance.

There has been experiments, and while some claims have been made, my understanding no result has been documented ( proved)

I didn't even read this, but I saw the link and thought I'd post it for the curious.


Run Your Car on Water (http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/?hop=vinnyb56)

I didn't even read this, but I saw the link and thought I'd post it for the curious.


Run Your Car on Water (http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/?hop=vinnyb56)
Very interesting article, I wonder if it actually works?

Very interesting article, i wonder if it actually works?
Has anyone at this sight used this device on there car or no of some one that has, Just curious? Have a great day!

Was intrigued by the question and did a little internet research. After hours finally found a site that actually had plans on how to make the system yourself and was requesting feedback as to how it worked "for you".

As with anything there is a right way and a wrong way to do anything and they have recommendations on the "right" way. That pretty much turned me off the idea because for it to work "longterm" they state that you should get your pistons ceramic coated as well as the inside of your intake manifold, replace your valves with stainless steel valves, and to let your exhaust system rust off and then replace it with stainless steel because they state that it will start rusting almost immediately because of the moisture dispelled. They also don't recommend that you do this to your daily driver.

Also be aware that advertisers (I won't call them liars, lol) will always give you best case scenario with claims like a 40% increase. Most sites that are not trying to sell you something state to expect more like 10-20% depending on the condition and tuning of your engine. This even sounds impressive until you do the math. Let say you have a vehicle that gets 20MPG and you are getting 20%. A 4MPG increase which is significant. A 15 gallon tank is giving you a savings of 60 miles or a little less then 2 gallons per tank which at $4 per gallon is about a $7 savings. Now figure the cost of the equipment to build the system (about $35 if you are good at building things and electrical) plus the cost of gauges to monitor it (there were 3 of them and can't quite remember all of them except one monitoring cylinder head temp as brown gas burns very hot) and you are out maybe $100 on the cheap side. Now figure in the cost of just replacing the exhaust system and perhaps lessening your engine life. Even with gas near $4 a gallon you are talking quite a few tanks full of fuel to get payback and your engine is rusting if you go whole hog with all the recommendations you might just as well go out buy a hybrid.

This was the only website that I could find where the guy had nothing to gain so I tend to add a bit of credence to his analysis as well as a few other articles dispelling some of the myths about this modification but without plans or a how-to on how to build the device. This guy generally wanted you to do this and let him know your results. Maybe he is thinking about marketing his system and needs test results.

So to make a long story short I have abandoned any ideas to do it but not trying to discourage anyone else so if you do it, definitely post the results. This is not new technology and contrary to popular belief, be assured that if it was that easy and with no drawbacks ALL of your major auto makers would have been doing this years ago.

Does anyone have info on so-called water fueled hybrid vehicles? Is it actually possible to run a car using water for fuel?
There are ways of converting water into energy, but it is not as simple as putting water into a gas tank and expecting the car to run. Water is not combustible, therefore it could never be used easily as fuel for a car. I don't think that water will ever be used to power a car, because it would require such a complex system to turn it into usable fuel. I just don't see how it would ever be practical, or for that matter even be possible to use it to power a car. PIPE DREAM as they say.

To expound on this: It does not actually burn the water it uses a device that removes the 1 part oxygen leaving a hydrogen gas that is injected into the fuel stream. In this form it is referred to as brown gas. It also needs to retain a moisture content because one of the functions of fuel is to cool the combustion chamber as well as provide fuel. Because brown gas burns hotter the moisture content is what does the cooling function (as I understand it). They have race cars that use a very, very high compression ratios for maximum power but can not avoid detonation even with race fuel so they use water injection. The only purpose of the water is to cool the combustion chamber to prevent detonation.

There is another system that injects the hydrogen gas into the air intake. A friend of mine increased his mileage from 28 to 40 mpg. Most systems I read about use the air intake to add the Hydrogen to the fuel injectors. I will be installing a system in my Honda Hybrid. I am aiming for 70 mpg.

Can anyone direct me to a guide that will show me where the map sensor is? There is a computer module that manages the map sensor and oxygen sensor to mix the fuel and gas intake properly.

I will keep you all posted on my progress.

I purchased the system and am in the process of installing it. So far, no gain in mileage. Rumor has it that it takes a while for the mileage to improve. I am discouraged and hope I did not waste my money.

More later.

Jim

My son's pastor who is also an electronics man made a simple HHO generator for his son-in-law. The first test out, his mileage went from 28mpg to 43mpg. I am in the process of putting one together, but have had problems getting the right steel. I've tried 2 different grades of stainless switch covers, but neither worked properly. I will have to get 304 ss plates from a supplier in Houston, I think 5 plates giving 4 gaps of .045 (total sq in. about 60) should be close.
As to the heat and moisture, the coolant in an engine is regulated by the thermostat, and it should keep the engine at the proper temperature. Actually Geoff said that it apperared that his car was running slightly cooler with the hydrogen. Burning any fuel releases some moisture, but if the runs are not really short, heat evaporates it without much damage. Most exhaust systems today are aluminum coated and last a long time.
One question in my mind now is whether it is necessary to have a pulse generator to produce current for the HHO generator, or whether steady 12v dc will do the job.
What you are doing is separating the hydrogen and oxygen. You wind up with Brown's gas, so you don't actually have hydrogen by itself.
Let's stay in touch and share info as we progress. The potential for this is immense.

Very interesting Galveston1. The article that I found "that I stated way back in this thread" was the plans on how to make an HHO generator. Wouldn't you know it, it took me about 3 hours of searching to finally find that obscure article by someone not trying to sell me a system and I didn't save the URL. I "assume" that the amount of Brown's gas produced would correlate directly to how much of an increased mileage you would obtain. You stated that it actually runs cooler. The article I read stated that you should get a head temperature sensor and gauge so again I assumed it would run hotter. Also that article stated that the engine dispelled enough water that it would rust the exhaust system off and that for extra protection that you SHOULD (for long time use) ceramic coat your pistons, change your valves to stainless steel and use aluminum or coat your intake and exhaust manifolds because the moisture content in the engine will have it rusting while it is sitting in your driveway. It did state that the rusting issues occur when you are not using the vehicle. BUT as a caveat the individual was wanting feedback on the system that the plans were for so obviously he may not have all the facts yet to accurately evaluate the system.

Keep us informed on what type of results you get...

Hydrogen-Boost.com - Brown's Gas Generators - Joe Cell, Supplemental Hydrogen Injection Water Car Run on WATER+Fuel. Save Gas=FREE ENERGY!</ (http://www.hydrogen-boost.com/FAQ.html#three)

Here is a link to one man's experience with the temperature questions with hydrogen. The engine reportedly runs cooler.

I must admit, I am not satisfied with the system this man is selling. I also have a friend to installed just the generator and he reported a 28 to 40 mpg increase. I purchased this system because it uses an electrolyte that would not freeze during the winter. I found zero gain from the hydrogen generator and was told unless I lean up on my fuel to air ratio I would not see a difference.

My Honda Hybrid does not want to lean up and I am not getting the results.
The system also includes disconnecting the O2 sensor and installing a fuel heater system utilizing the radiator coolant.

One of the advantages of the HHO system is it combines with unburned compounds from the gasoline and emits almost zero emissions. This I understand from another fellow who worked with RIT and ran a vehicle with a sensor up the tailpipe for several days to take actual measurements!! I did not buy his system because it was the water based. He is local to the Rochester area and I will be returning the Hydrogen Boost system and work with him.

Wish I had an old car to play with. I like his ideas and how he has creatively bypassed some of the gas savings limitations of the regulated industry.

I still am shooting for 70 mpg!

Jim

PS... Fran emailed me to tell me he purchased the temperature sensor and found the heat ranges very acceptable and lower than normal. There are concerns if I were to run my car with a full open throttle for long periods which a gas saving geek is unlikely to do...

Here are couple more links that found in the Google would like to share with you all, Thanks

Regards,
John

Water Powered Car Plans - How to Run a Car on Water (http://www.waterpoweredcarplans.com/)
Water Powered Car (http://waterpoweredcar.com/)

The book I bought describes electronic control of the electrodes, using pulsed currents to regulate the amount of HHO created. Is there any variable control on the system you are working with? Do you know how many square inches of generating surface you have? I assume that there should be some ratio of generating capacity to engine size, but at this point have no idea what it would be, or if it is necessary to vary the HHO output. The one installation that I know of doesn't have output control, as far as I can find out.

My brother raised a good point... the generator I bought is rated at 75% efficiency and produces 95 liters of Hydrogen in an hour.

When a car engine runs and pumps fumes out the tailpipe, what percentage is air pulled in and gasoline bi-products. How many liters of HHO will a generator need to produce to have an impact.

Also, with a generator in, how much of the mileage is change of driving habits or the generator.

I have been driving the same 45 miles to work for several months. I drive 5 miles per hour below the speed limit (except in 40 or below). I found accelerating quickly instead of slowly gives me more miles per gallon (my hybrid has a mpg gauge and average mpg so I knew beforehand what I was getting. (50 mpg)

I have taken notes on what I get with the generator and will compare tomorrow what I get without it. If I get 5 mpg additional, for me that is only a 10% increase and questionable worth of the initial $1,000 and additional drain on the alternator and charging systems. I was hoping for at least 20% or more.

More tomorrow or Thursday.

Jim

I don't know, Jim, but it sounds like that capacity would take care of a much larger engine. You are the first person I have heard of so far that is putting one of these on a hybrid. You might figure the cfm on your engine to see how much volume it uses at say, 3,000 rpm or whatevr your cruise speed is. You could get volume pretty close at wide open throttle and know that you would use much less at normal speeds. Then, HHO supplement would only be a percentage of that. When I get a little time, I will try to put some figures together for all our consideration.

Ok here it is Lots of crazy stuff to check out.Just Google panacea-bocaf.org I believe it's in australia,they have the most history of energysuppression information you'll enjoy,click on the research tab then energy suppression tab on the left and you'll be surprised at the history of inventions that we're not allowed to have.Also the main man to Google is Stan meyer he is the one who perfected the hyrogen cell.Now the most important thing to realize is that the stan meyer cell had a very different power distribution system to create the hydrogen from what lectures I saw online it was a vacuum tube pipe in the shape of a square with a magnetic gas sealed inside, a coil wrapped around it and I think that's where you would hook up your pulse wave generator to it,that would excelarate the magnetic gas inside,he also spoke of a laser to give it power or control ,whether this meant through the water to excite and create hydrogen I 'm not sure.(I missed the N.A.S.A recruitment Day)Also there is an Awsome TV episode of Arthur C. clarke's Strange world The episode was called "It Runs on Water" and in it is Stan meyer's story it's the same one you can find on you tube etc.You can probably down load it.Another good show that's new is called "Green Wheels" it's on high def channels and it deals with any alternate powered vehicles, the one I liked the best was veggie cars that take any diesel car and run straight vegetable oil through it.The best place to check is "lovecraft fuels" in L.A. also "goldenFuelsystems.com" he has the most Knowledge of this subject.Also check YouTube for "Air engine" and "Magnetic motor",well that should keep U busy for a month, oh yeah almost forgot the godfather of all inventions "Nikola Tesla" he wanted the world to have free hydro but J.P morgan Millionaire and backer of Niagra falls Power station did'nt let that happen now did he.Our house still have the same amp Hour meter that nikola designed approx 100yrs ago.Try to find a show called "Energy From the Vacuum" there's 2 parts the first is a little dry but the 2nd part is easyer to watch,it talks a lot about Tesla and Energy .So if you want to make the world yours and ours a better place there is information and technology out there you just have to search for it,Who says the internet is just for Sex and Violence. Thanks

Go to you tub and look up hydrogen tap he has all you may need!

Well, I'm back after so long a time. I've been reading and hopefully, learning.
To supplement a modern auto with HHO you have to use electronics to alter the signal from the oxygne sensor. When you introduce the HHO, the exhaust apparently runs a little hotter, and the computer puts in more fuel to compensate, and you wind up back where you started.

I have built an electrode out of 304 stainless plates, giving a total of 125 square inches of .040 gap.
My problem now is that the electrode draws about 80A and will boil tap water in 3 seconds. I need to boost the voltage and reduce the amps to 10A or less.

I need someone good at electronics to advise me here. I know I will have to have a pulse generator, but not sure if a FET will deliver 10A to my electrode, or whether the electrode will blow the FET.
I've considered a flyback converter, but may not know what I'm doing with that.
Maybe I could use a step-up DC/DC transformer to feed the FET independently of the pulse generator?

Anybody??