http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/13/us/politics/13campaign.html?hp


“And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not,” Mr. Obama went on. “And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to GUNS or RELIGION or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or ANTI-IMMIGRANT sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."


Opps - who put that in the script?

Like I said in January it's going to be fun watching the Democrats do Each other in!
All McCain has to do is sit back and watch the fur fly!

He's such a liar, and not nearly as accomplished as Hillary.

I am beginning to appreciate more and more the length of our process. Obama was an unknown but as the veneer is getiing peeled layer by layer the true person is emerging.

His views are frankly not unique . The elite liberals have always been perplexed by the people of flyover America. You could tell when he began his campaign in the Penn. Heartland that he was perplexed like a fish out of water. His attempts at bowling may be this campaigns equivalent of John Kerry eating at Wendys . At town hall meetings he has been flumoxed when supporters have asked him to say something patriotic. He doesn't understand that even in hard times that the people don't look to Washington as a solution . Obama who has defended his religion in a major address ,and has written about how important faith means to him ,does not understand why the white folks in Pennesylvania would also find comfort in their faith .

To the elite audience he was addressing his comments make perfect sense. Evidently Pennsylvanians began to appreciate their guns and religions only after the Industrial Belt became the Rust belt . Why wouldn't these blue collar workers also vote "blue" ? Why wouldn't they flock to the Democrats who have always looked after their best interests ;and delivered the goods? They are just another victim class that should be looking to the hope man for salvation.

The elites made books like "What's the Matter with Kansas"? A best seller with it's theme that liberals promise poor people free money so, therefore, poor people who don't vote for liberals are stupid. They are the enlightened class .So if that is their attitude then Obama was only parroting it to them since they were the audience of the day .

It is typical of Obama .He tells his audience what they want to hear. To workers free trade is dangerous to be avoided . To a different audience he says those who oppose free trade is xenophobic. To other audiences he claims to be pro-gun .To the San Fran crowd he belittles the people who cling to guns.

It is very telling that it was an Obama supporter who recorded and videotaped these comments after being given a special pass to this donor only meeting. After a few days to contemplate it she thought it would be perfectly safe to share this with another audience that has similar contempt for those stupid poor white folks who don't cling to the Democrat party for salvation... the Huffpos.
Mayhill Fowler: Obama: No Surprise That Hard-Pressed Pennsylvanians Turn Bitter - Off The Bus on The Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html)
The writer explains that the qualities of hospitality, patriotism and endurance are exactly what Californians need to hear about Pennsylvanians and instead they got a speech belittling the good folks of Pennsylvania.

It wasn't Carl Rove and a Republican hit machine. His own supporters have consistently thrown monkey wrenches into his deceptions . The true Obama has been revealed by his wife and her comments.The true Obama has been revealed by the comments of Rev Wright.The true Obama has been revealed by the actions of his biggest supporter Tony Rezko . The true Obama has been revealed by his close relationship with Weatherman Bill Ayers. And now The true Obama has been revealed by a supporter who found his disdain for rural white America completely acceptable.

As for Obama ;he made a number of attempts to clarify but he has not backed away from the premise. "If I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that," .... "The underlying truth of what I said remains."
It will not matter in the Democrat primary process. The hardcore Left that owns the Democratic Party will complete its takeover with the nomination of Obama. He shares their worldview . He's one of them. But he is counting on Reagan Democrats in the general election. They will neither forget Rev Wright's screeds nor Obama's .

At least we finally have a Democratic candidate being honest :D

I'm loving Obama's sudden candor. He seems to be digging a deeper hole with every attempt at explaining his remarks. This was his latest clarification last night:


“That was in no way a demeaning of a faith that I myself embrace. When economic hardship hits, they have faith, they have family, they have traditions that have been passed on from generation to generation. Those are not bad things. Those are the things that are left.”

So the things that are left during hard times are family, religion, guns, racism and bigotry - and apparently those last few 'traditions' are also "not bad things."

Obama also forgot to mention that "bitter" people eat apple pie, buy Chevys, and watch baseball. :)


Is Obama "bitter" since he "clings" to Rev Wright? :confused:

Obama also forgot to mention that "bitter" people eat apple pie, buy Chevys, and watch baseball. :)


Is Obama "bitter" since he "clings" to Rev Wright? :confused:

That's different. Neither Obama or the Rev. are a "typical white person." :D

His honesty (and correctness) in this instance will be his undoing! He certainly seems to have erred here no matter how true his words are.

“And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not,” Mr. Obama went on. “And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to GUNS or RELIGION or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or ANTI-IMMIGRANT sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

I agree with his "religious" comment, though perhaps not for the same reasons Obama intended. In Judaism we shouldn't practise out of rote. In another words, just going through the motions or mimicking others just because it's carried down generation to generation. Obama upholds the second amendment and is not against gun ownership contrary to what the Clinton campaign would have everyone to believe.

What Obama does is a lawyers two step slide on gun ownership. He says gun ownership is not the exclusive prerogative of the "well regulated militia". But at the same time he says that local "common sense "should prevail. In other words ;the hayseeds in Pennsylvania's rust belt should be free to get their duck hunting weapons . It's part of "their culture".But the folks in DC who would buy a gun to defend themselves ;their families ;their homes from predators should not have that privilege.

"The notion that somehow local jurisdictions can't initiate gun safety laws to deal with gang-bangers and random shootings on the street isn't borne out by our Constitution."

This of course is a position that has evolved over time. In a 1996 questionnaire he supported the banning of the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns .

More recently the Illinois House and Senate passed legislation in May 2004 to protect citizens who use handguns in self-defense in their homes or businesses despite local handgun bans.In the Ill. Senate Obama was one of 20 Senators to vote against the bill. The Governor vetoed the law and again Obama voted against over-riding the veto. Thankfully the veto was rejected and the common sense defense of ones family and home is not a criminal offense.

But this says a lot about Obama's attitude about the 2nd Amendment . It is fine to own a gun to hunt ducks ;but he has a problem with people owning guns for the real reason the 2nd Amendment was adopted .

I live in Philadelphia and I could careless about the people in the Central and western part of the state and their guns. There is nothing out there so they aren't "protecting" their families they are hunting and that's fine.

Now Come to my block in Philadelphia and you will be begging for gun control. 95% of the people on this site wouldn't dare walk around my neighborhood day or night. I believe Philadelphia alone last year had a little over 400 murders from HANDGUN Violence. 20 of those murders took place in a 10 block radius of were I live. Hand guns are ruining the city of Philadelphia So I agree let the people have their hunting rifle's but hand guns have to go.

So all the people that are against Obama trying to get rid of hand guns, I have one question for you How Many people were shot dead on the street in the middle of the afternoon in your town?

Oh and in case you need a visual aid to see what that many murders looks like here you go:
Safer City Map - A Safer City News Story - WCAU | Philadelphia (http://www.nbc10.com/safercity/13405221/detail.html)

How many of the guns used in the shooting were legal and registered ?

Most of the guns on the streets were owned legally at one time. But the criminals in philly love to break in peoples house and search for guns among other things of course. So now they are in the wrong hands. Or a thing that the people in Philly love to do is get someone who doesn't have a record (like a girlfriend) to get them a gun Legally then they report the guns are stolen. And then used on the streets.

Tom I answered your question now answer mine How many people were shot on the street in the middle of the afternoon in your town?

I am one of the few in my neighborhood that doesn't own a gun of some kind . Our streets are very safe . DC is a place with no legal guns . Yet it is one of the most violent cities in the nation . Va.Tech mass murder anniversary is this week . Va tech has a zero tolerance to guns policy.

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” Attributed to Thomas Jefferson

The truth is that violent crime rates began to drop dramatically in the US as others emulated Florida's conceal and carry laws adopted in 1987 .Today 40 states have such laws, and by 2004 the US Bureau of Justice reported that “firearms-related crime has plummeted”.

But the criminals in philly love to break in peoples house and search for guns among other things of course. So now they are in the wrong hands.

Didn't the State just reject legislation that would make the reporting of lost and stolen guns mandatory ?

What Obama does is a lawyers two step slide on gun ownership.

Jim Geraghty at NRO made note of this particular Obama story:


Obama; No Gun Shops Within Five Miles of Schools (http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Y2IwYjAyNjhjY2RiOTdiOWMyYTJmMDMwYTg3ODMzMjc=); Porn Shops Okay

I'm going to enjoy writing about a general election campaign against Barack Obama.

As Corner contributor Dave Kopel and David Bernstein note, Barack Obama proposed a few years ago a federal law against licensed firearms dealers operating within five miles of a school or park. As Kopel notes, "Every town I've ever visited which has more than a few dozen inhabitants has either a school or a park. Hypothesizing that the ban would apply to city parks (e.g., Central Park in New York City) but not to National Parks, pick a geographical region, and describe where a licensed firearms dealer could operate. Or pick a geographic point (e.g, Houston)and identify how far a peson would have to drive in order to get to the closest point where a gun store could legally be located. Extra credit for illustrative maps."

As the commenters noted, this would effectively ban gun shops from most of the country, and just about every city.

However, Obama appears to find another kind of establishment to be perfectly fine operating near your children's school:


Obama was also the sole present vote on a bill that easily passed the Senate that would require teaching respect for others in schools. He also voted present on a measure to prohibit sex-related shops from opening near schools or places of worship, which ultimately did not pass the Senate.

In both of those cases, his campaign said, he was trying to avoid mandates on local authorities.

The bill did not get the required three-fifths majority, so it did not in fact pass. (Mr. Obama voted “present” on the measure.)

Why on God's green earth does Barack Obama object to mandates on local authorities for porn shops but not for gun stores? Or conversely, why does he feel it's necessary to keep gun stores five miles from a school, but no limit on porn shops?

http://www.blackfive.net/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/06/obamadance.gif

In other words ;the hayseeds in Pennsylvania's rust belt should be free to get their duck hunting weapons . It's part of "their culture".But the folks in DC who would buy a gun to defend themselves ;their families ;their homes from predators should not have that privilage.

It is fine to own a gun to hunt ducks ;but he has a problem with people owning guns for the real reason the 2nd Amendment was adopted .


How many gang bangers have you capped a bullet off in lately? I'm an advocate of individual rights to own pistols, rifles, or even hand grenades. For me it comes down to being a responsible person period. But I can't help but get a kick out of people using the gang drama as if they are Van Helsing bounty hunting monsters.

Firearms? Duck, deer, moose, bear, wolf, pheasant, dove, squirrel, rabbit, whatever animal, etc... that can be shot with a firearm can be used to maim or kill a human.

No I did not say that we should do a Charles Bronson and hunt them down .I was clearly talking about self defense.

Charles Bronson using a sock full of quarters? And how many times have you had to use a gun in self defense of your life (your family), on your property, or just minding your own business on the streets?

As I wrote above I am not a gun owner and I find this line of questioning irrelevant . Either you believe in the 2nd amendment or you don't . I cited stats that show that individual gun ownership decreases violent crime. Do I need to have had such an incident to have an opinion ?

Yes they most certainly did reject that. Which makes no sense at all. It's all the people in the central and western part of the state who are afraid once one law gets passed then another law and another law will then they will take their guns. That's why all the gun laws get shot done (no pun intended) I don't understand how a carry and conceal law would make the firearms related deaths go down but again that information is from 4 years ago.

I think it would be much harder to murder someone in Broad daylight with a hunting rifle I mean it's pretty hard to hide on of those bad boys. But hopefully things will change in Philly since they are putting in a stop and frisk law. I don't fully agree with it but gun violence is so bad they have no choice since lawmakers will do nothing about it.

What's funny here is Obama boasts of the 'legislative accomplishment' of him having passed a whistle-blower protection law, and yet his campaign is reportedly 'livid' over Mayhill Fowler, the 'whistle-blower' making it into his $1000 a plate fund raiser - and then of course posting on Huffpo.

The Kossacks (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/14/184234/061/635/495671) seem to be up in arms (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/14/82547/3512/64/495209). The NY Times reports (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/14/us/politics/14web-seelye.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) "there’s a bit of a brush fire in California about how Ms. Fowler got in." Democratic Undergrounders are upset (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x352426), and even fellow Huffpos (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-a-palermo/faux-obama-supporter-mayh_b_96379.html) aren't happy with Fowler.

As Thomas Sowell put it (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NWZlODViYjQ0ZDBjNTZlMjM4ZjM2MmU4MjA4ZWUyOGU=):


People who have been cheering whistle-blowers for years have suddenly denounced the person who blew the whistle on what Obama said in private that is so contradictory to what he has been saying in public.

However inconsistent Obama’s words, his behavior has been remarkably consistent over the years. He has sought out and joined with the radical, anti-Western Left — whether Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers of the terrorist Weatherman underground, or pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli Rashid Khalidi.

Obama is also part of a long tradition on the Left of being for the working class in the abstract, or as people potentially useful for the purposes of the Left, but having disdain or contempt for them as human beings.

Karl Marx said, “The working class is revolutionary or it is nothing.” In other words, they mattered only in so far as they were willing to carry out the Marxist agenda.

Obama is also part of a long tradition on the Left of being for the working class in the abstract, or as people potentially useful for the purposes of the Left, but having disdain or contempt for them as human beings.This quote pretty much sums what an idiot this Sowell guy is. But of course this is what YOU believe so have fun with that.

This quote pretty much sums what what an idiot this Sowell guy is. But of course this is what YOU believe so have fun with that.

Well NK, I'm not part of the left's class of useful idiots so I CAN have fun with it. But leave it to you to call Thomas Sowell (http://www.tsowell.com/) (a conservative African-American) an idiot. FYI, here is his curriculum vita (http://www.tsowell.com/cv.html):

ADDRESS: The Hoover Institution
Stanford University
Stanford, California 94305
(650) 723-3303

PERSONAL: U.S. Citizen, born June 30, 1930

EDUCATION:


Ph.D. in Economics, University of Chicago, 1968
A.M. in Economics, Columbia University, 1959
A.B. in Economics, magna laude, Harvard College, 1958


EXPERIENCE:


Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University, September 1980 - present
Professor of Economics, U.C.L.A., July 1974 - June 1980
Visiting Professor of Economics, Amherst College, September- December 1977
Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University, April- August 1977
Fellow, Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences, July 1976 - March 1977
Project Director, The Urban Institute, August 1972 - July 1974
Associate Professor of Economics, U.C.L.A., September 1970 - June 1972
Associate Professor of Economics, Brandeis University, September 1969 - June 1970
Assistant Professor of Economics, Cornell University, September 1965 - June 1969
Economic Analyst, American Telephone & TelegraphCo., June 1964 - August 1965
Lecturer in Economics, Howard University, September 1963 - June 1964
Instructor in Economics, Douglass College, Rutgers University, September 1962 - June 1963
Labor Economist, U.S. Department of Labor, June 1961 - August 1962


PRINCIPAL PUBLICATIONS:


On Classical Economics (Yale University Press, 2006)
Black Rednecks and White Liberals (Encounter Books, 2005)
The Quest for Cosmic Justice (Free Press,1999)
Conquests and Cultures (Basic Books, 1998)
Migrations and Cultures (Basic Books, 1996)
The Vision of the Anointed (Basic Books, 1995)
Race and Culture: A World View ( Basic Books,1994 )
A Conflict of Visions (William Morrow, 1987)
Ethnic America (Basic Books, 1981)
Knowledge and Decisions (Basic Books, 1980)
Say's Law: An Historical Analysis (Princeton University Press, 1972)

I'm sure you're qualified to judge an 'idiot' like Sowell. :D

as I wrote above I am not a gun owner and I find this line of questioning irrelevent . Either you believe in the 2nd amendment or you don't . I cited stats that show that individual gun ownership decreases violent crime. Do I need to have had such an incident to have an opinion ?

I'm not sure if you're addressing me or I got in the middle of your conversation with other contributors. I just wanted it clear that the use of firearms, as protection, in and of itself, is not wrong. But often it's made out to be the "end all" purpose, out of fear in proposed gun ownership arguments. When you live in NYC, Vegas, Philly, Chicago, LA, Houston, Dallas, etc.. in larger cities as we do, our surroundings activate our natural defense mechanisms. I see elements of hoodlums almost daily, so I'm not dismissing that fact. I work in the casino and as you know we have all the traffic from all sorts of walks of life, both good and bad. But outside the protection of the security that my workplace affords me, I know where I belong in Vegas and what neighborhoods are best avoided. My point is that unless you have a concealed weapon permit, you'll just have to load up that sawed-off shotgun with slugs or buckshot instead of duck waterfowl loads. Most of us believe in the second amendment, I do.

Speech,
Based on his quote he's an idiot and a bigot. But since you agree with his stance you think he's a stand-up guy.

speech,
Based on his quote he's an idiot and a bigot.

That's funny, Obama proves Sowell right and you call HIM the idiot and bigot. That's liberal logic for you.

If you can show me where Obama has showed disdain or contempt for them (working class) as human beings then I'd be happy to agree with you. Other that you're just mudslinging as per usual.

Jim Geraghty at NRO made note of this particular Obama story:



http://www.blackfive.net/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/06/obamadance.gif
Mr. "Goody two-shoes" trying to do a song and dance act in reply to serious questions America is now calling him on. Ah, how perfect to show the true picture of the man who wants to be the next Prez of the U.S.

If you can show me where Obama has showed disdain or contempt for them (working class) as human beings then I'd be happy to agree with you. Other that you're just mudslinging as per usual.

NK, once again the pot calling the kettle black - having the gall to to call Sowell an idiot and bigot while complaining of mudslinging. Again, that's liberal logic for you.

as I wrote above I am not a gun owner and I find this line of questioning irrelevent . Either you believe in the 2nd amendment or you don't . I cited stats that show that individual gun ownership decreases violent crime. Do I need to have had such an incident to have an opinion ?

I can and have produced stats that counter that. Refer to my long debates with Elliot. Stats don't tell the whole story. But if you want I can produce stats on mass murder by firearm in the US compared to countries with strict gun control laws. You won't like what they say!

When talking guns stats can be used effectively by both side of the arguments. But the stat that hits home most is death by firearms and in the US its mind boggling.

NK, once again the pot calling the kettle black - having the gall to to call Sowell an idiot and bigot while complaining of mudslinging. Again, that's liberal logic for you.


Liberal logic - isn't that an oxymoron? :)

I can and have produced stats that counter that. Refer to my long debates with Elliot. Stats dont tell the whole story. But if you want i can produce stats on mass murder by firearm in the US compared to countries with strict gun control laws. Yoiu wont like what they say!

When talking guns stats can be used effectively by both side of the arguments. But the stat that hits home most is death by firearms and in the US its mind boggling.
Check this stat for me: How many planes have been hijacked since 9/11, after the feds allowed pilots to arm?

I prefer to look at stats relevant to the argument George.

George you are really reaching on that one. How about you go to Philly and tell a mother of a 14 year old boy who was shot because he wouldn't ride his bike fast enough out of the street. You can read it for yourself
Family, Friends Say Goodbye To Tykeem Law - Local News Story - WCAU | Philadelphia (http://www.nbc10.com/news/13746949/detail.html?rss=phi&psp=news)

Dear God how I love my Canada after reading this site!

NK you have no idea how close I am to moving there!!

If McCain's elected I might have to join you in French class. :)

Tous sont bienvenu! Unless you're going to Quebec or northern New Brunswick you won't need French (though it never hurts to expand your knowledge of languages).

Dear God how I love my Canada after reading this site!

Yeah, all is well there, isn't it? A bastion of peace, tolerance, diversity and unity, eh?


Dog lovers mistaken for abusers (http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/story.html?id=bf66d1df-587d-436a-af4d-ec0ef9f16121&k=52136)

A dog-loving Chinese-Canadian couple are pleading for understanding after a case of mistaken identity has left them dealing with threatening and racist phone calls...

"I'm scared," said Qing Li, 35. "People leave the message, say 'Go back to your country,' and then many of the bad words I can't say. So I'm scared. Why? ... I didn't make the mistake, I didn't make the trouble."

University of Windsor student Qu Li is accused of choking, kicking and slamming a four-month-old Husky puppy, hurting the dog so badly that it had to be euthanized.

But Qing Li and her husband, who live on Randolph Avenue, have nothing to do with the alleged animal abuser -- other than a common country of origin and similar initials. "I don't know who the heck he is," said Chen, 45.

One of the obscenity-laden messages left on the couple's answering machine on Tuesday told them: "You're not gonna live to see the (expletive) light of day tomorrow... You just see what happens to you tonight, (expletive)."

Another male caller stated: "I know where you live. I'm coming over to your house, and I'm gonna bring a shovel and beat you with it."

A female caller said that "if you're the Peking that beat the dog, go back to your country. You don't know the laws in this country. Go back to your country and stay there. We don't want you here... Go back to hell."


REAL Women Demands Canadian Taxpayer Funding of Obscene Films Must Stop (http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/apr/08041411.html)

Bill C-10, an omnibus bill of amendments to the Income Tax Act, contains a government proposal to amend the Income Tax Act that would allow the Heritage Ministry to withhold federal tax credits to Canadian film and television projects it deems offensive...

"No other industry has ever enjoyed such carte blanche immunity from corporate responsibility and public accountability," she said in a Globe and Mail report.

She explained that the film American Psycho, based on the book of the same name that "was considered a how-to manual for convicted serial killer Paul Bernardo, received $120,000 in Canadian tax credits."

In a report by the Hill Times, Rev. Charles McVety of the Canada Family Action Coalition warned the Conservative government that it will "pay a price", in the way of a grassroots rebellion, if it gives in to pressure from the film and television industry and amends or waters down its provision to deny government tax credits for offensive screen productions.

"If they want to capitulate to David Cronenberg so that he can make a few hundred more million dollars, then they don't deserve to be in government and they won't be in government for very long," Rev. McVety told The Hill Times. "If the government loses common sense and says that, 'We're going to continue funding films such as "Young People F-ing" and other such movies,' then they will pay a price for that. That's not good government and the grassroots will rebel."


India lodges protest with Canada (http://www.timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsID=7254)

India has lodged a very strong protest with the government of Canada over letting Indo-Canadians to organise a Baisakhi parade where Indira Gandhi's assassins were glorified. After the Congress and other parties expressed their shock and horror over the parade, New Delhi today (April 15) lodged a formal protest with the Canadian authorities.

Minister of State for External Affairs, Anand Sharma said, “Well I have conveyed to Canadian Minister of Sate for External Affairs, Helena Georges India’s anguish and concern over the parade that took place in the city of Surrey and the fact that assassins of the Late Prime Minister and beloved leader, Indira Gandhi were glorified in the posters and were declared martyrs.”


More youths in gangs (http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=4adb7198-1d40-4965-879e-9399481ab5a9&k=84199)

Less than 48 hours after Toronto Mayor David Miller launched a national push to have handguns banned by the federal government, his city recorded three more shootings.

Elsewhere last week, Calgary police appealed for tips following two shootings that injured two young men.

Neither shooting was a random act, Calgary police said, summing up the gunplay as just the latest example of the "blatant disregard gang members have for innocent members of the community who could have been hit by errant bullets."

Michael Chettleburgh, author of Young Thugs: Inside the Dangerous World of Canadian Street Gangs, warns of a rise in the number of young people joining gangs and says the increasing gunplay on Canadian streets is a symptom of a burgeoning drug trade.

Charge Canadian polygamists to protect children (http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/comment/story.html?id=3174bc81-76ea-467c-a06e-b2b5ee4cb740)

Disgruntled Chinese Rally in Ottawa (http://en.epochtimes.com/news/8-4-14/69170.html)

Yet another Indo-Canadian youth dies in gang violence (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/PoliticsNation/Yet_another_Indo-Canadian_youth_dies_in_gang_violence/articleshow/2886416.cms)

And of all things...

We should be changing hockey; the violence is so unCanadian (http://www.saultstar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=983414)

Speech,
You are so predictable. I'm so happy I don't have negative types like you hanging around me. You should seek some counselling to find out why you are so angry at most of the people around you.

NK : what if Obama was running for PM and he made these comments?


“And they fell through the Harper administration, and the Martin administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate and they have not,” Mr. Obama went on. “And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to hockey or universal healthcare or antipathy to Americans who aren't like them or ANTI-BUSH sentiment or anti-RElIGION sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Hockey and universal healthcare are not suitable replacements for your gun culture (which we do not have) and the inclusion of religion (gay marriage issue in your last election). But people would be correct to vote for issues such as healthcare but hockey and religion never enter politics here (except that veil issue in Quebec).

I don't see anything wrong with what Obama said I'm bitter when I call my credit card company and I have to speak to someone who took an American's job just so the company could get a tax break and pay that person two bucks an hour. That doesn't make you bitter.

I don't have a gun to cling to when my government fails me. I don't have religion to cling to when the government fails me. I cling to hope. Hope that one of these candidate's can start to change this mess. And Obama is the only one who makes me feel like he can change things.

Sounds like your debates about gay marriage mirrors ours

The error that dare not speak its name (http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=448076)

Point taken Need

But for a lot of voting Americans gun ownership and faith is an issue. For a presidential candidate to make the statements that Obama did is disappointing since he presents himself as a candidate to unite and not divide.

These words were spoken at a private San Francisco event. I'm certain that Obama never expected these words to get out to the general public. Credit should go to Huffpo for exposing them. In San Francisco, these statements might have been met by approving nods but to flyover country, middle America these statements are condescendiing and they won't play well in a general election.

I don't see anything wrong with what Obama said I'm bitter when I call my credit card company and I have to speak to someone who took an American's job just so the company could get a tax break and pay that person two bucks an hour. That doesn't make you bitter.




We really have to move past this . No one is guaranteed a job and no one is guaranteed a rate of pay. It is not unusual for jobs to come and go due to among other things technoligical improvements that make the jobs obsolete. Someone explain to me why it is the job of the government to be the guardian of such jobs ? You are lucky to get a human at all. I had Sears service done this week and I dealt with robo-call service . Why should I be bitter about that ? My service was performed just as well regardless of who took the call.

Tom,
It's one person's opinion piece. He's allowed to say what he wants but it doesn't mirror the view of the population. Personally I kind of agree with him in that allowing gay marriage in a church should not be imposed by the government, christianity is set in their ways. Recognized civil unions are the way to go.

Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Economy (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/#trade)

"Amend the North American Free Trade Agreement: Obama believes that NAFTA and its potential were oversold to the American people. Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers."


What does he mean by "FIX"

Is he for or against NAFTA?

Is he anti-trade and therefore "bitter" just like his own comments?

That Canadian memo about what Obama really thinks about NAFTA. - By Bonnie Goldstein - Slate Magazine (http://www.slate.com/id/2185753/entry/0/)

and again one of those rare convergences . We agree. It would be much easier to resolve if the word marriage was removed form the equation.

What would YOU do about NAFTA?

I'm in favor of NAFTA and other bi-lateral trade agreements . I think they are a net plus for all the nations involved .

Tom you skipped over the entire out sourcing problem It's one thing to have robo call and everything is fine. It's another when you call someone one who can speak English but has no comprehension of the English language.

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When the government fails somebody that person clings to what is familiar they cling to their guns or religion and that is a good thing!! I don't own guns and I think religion is a story to tell little kids so they behave correctly. So please point out to me what he said wrong?

Because religion is a foundation and not something to "cling to " .That is Marxist rhetoric.

Funny that, my kids have a great foundation without religion. That could be considered proof that your statement is incorrect.

No it isn't because I did not say it was a foundation for everyone . Do you " Cling "to atheism when times get tough ? I believe it would be insulting for me to imply that. If Obama changed his words slightly he could've just quoted Marx "opiate " line of bs.

no it isn't because I did not say it was a foundation for everyone . Do you " Cling "to atheism when times get tough ? I believe it would be insulting for me to imply that. If Obama changed his words slightly he could've just quoted Marx "opiate " line of bs.But people do cling to their religion in troubled times. You seem hung up on this 'communist' ("Marx") slant, why?

Tom you skipped over the entire out sourcing problem

Not at all. You act like outsourcing is a one way street . I can just hear Japanese auto workers complaining that Toyota has a manufacturing plant here .

But people do cling to their religion in troubled times.


Perhaps but the implication is much deeper in this case because of the "elite" limosine liberal audience he was addressing . See answer #4 to this posting for more detail on my position .

That is something the people of Japan need to stand up against. I struggle like most people in this country do and I am sorry what Obama said is the truth maybe that's the problem people do not like to hear the truth in America.

See answer #4 to this posting for more detail on my position .Dude we all know your position - you don't like him, you look for reasons not to like him, you want so much for others not to like him, you spend your day posting stuff here against him - we get it.

I just think it's because you're scared that he'll be the one to face McSame. Then they fun will begin. :)

I loved what Rev Wright had to say he simply quoted a white ambassador but everyone ignores that part. The second clip when he basically says rich white men run America is the truth. If it isn't the truth then Please tell me who does run America?

To tell you the truth if Evita and Obama were the final selection I would probably have to vote for Evita. Obama is clueless and a product ;like Kerry of spending too much of his formative years away from the country. Yes;he tried to establish street cred so he could get in touch with his identity but he is nonetheless out of touch ;as demonstrated by his typical white ;typical hicks comments. Here is another one .

When he was campaigning in Iowa he was commenting about high prices . But instead of using an example that most Iowans could relate to he said :

“Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and see what they charge for arugula?”... “I mean, they're charging a lot of money for this stuff.”

Arugula ? The people of Iowa could care less about the price of arugula in a whole foods health store. What they were into was the price of corn on the commodities market. I'm telling you ;besides his racial narrative there is very little difference between Obama and the Brahman John Kerry.

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You are so predictable. I'm so happy I don't have negative types like you hanging around me. You should seek some counselling to find out why you are so angry at most of the people around you.

NK, not nearly as predictable as you are. The point of the last post was everyone has problems - even Canada - but I don't sit around here mocking your country like you do mine on a regular basis. Also predictably, you turn to personal insults instead of making a useful argument. I don't mind though, I'm not the one that looks like the fool.

but I don't sit around here mocking your country like you do mine on a regular basis. You do a fine job of mocking your own country 24/7.

When he was campaigning in Iowa he was commenting about high prices . But instead of using an example that most Iowans could relate to he said :

“Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and see what they charge for arugula?” .... “I mean, they’re charging a lot of money for this stuff.”

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Well some people must eat Arugula from Whole foods since he won the Iowa Caucus.

I would vote for McCain over Billary. One she has no spine her husband cheats on her and she stays with him! Two and I know this is a pointless question but really it is not. Someone asked her are you a Mets or Yankees fan and she couldn't answer because she didn't want to offend any voters. If she doesn't want to offend any voters over a question that stupid how can she make decision that are going to offend a lot of people. Three she cried when she lost the Iowa Caucus I can not have my leader crying when they don't get their way.

Walter Williams addressed the outsourcing 'problem' in his column today (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2008/04/16/foreign_trade_angst) and asked this question, "Suppose you were choosing a country to live in. Which country would you prefer: a country that has the world champing at the bit to put its money into or one where the world is unwilling to invest?"

I thought it was a good question. He gives some facts and figures but I'm sure that won't matter to some of you.

You do a fine job of mocking your own country 24/7.

LOL, do you need some glasses NK? I don't mock my country, I mock the absurdity emanating from the left... wherever they are.

LOL, do you need some glasses NK? I don't mock my country, I mock the absurdity emanating from the left...wherever they are.That's what I meant earlier - you can't stand half of the people in your own country. Sad way to live.

I've got a huge website to test before it goes public. Ciao.

That's what I meant earlier - you can't stand half of the people in your own country. Sad way to live.

I've got a huge website to test before it goes public. Ciao.

NK, 6 percent of Americans define themselves as very liberal, another 15 as liberal according to an AP-Ipsos poll last year. 27 percent defined themselves as somewhat conservative, 14 percent as very conservative with 34 percent as moderate. It's that wacko 6 percent that I have no respect for.

Walter Williams addressed the outsourcing 'problem' in his column today (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2008/04/16/foreign_trade_angst) and asked this question, "Suppose you were choosing a country to live in. Which country would you prefer: a country that has the world champing at the bit to put its money into or one where the world is unwilling to invest?"

I thought it was a good question. He gives some facts and figures but I'm sure that won't matter to some of you.

While I respect what he says I can't fully believe it since this townhall website is a little bias I mean it is a conservative website especially since they have tee shirts with a smiley face on it that says imagine a world with out liberals. But that was a nice try speech.

Foreign Affairs Magazine on the other hand has never been accused of being biased

Here is their take on outsourcing :

Foreign Affairs - The Outsourcing Bogeyman - Daniel W. Drezner (http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20040501faessay83301-p0/daniel-w-drezner/the-outsourcing-bogeyman.html)

Summary

According to the election-year bluster of politicians and pundits, the outsourcing of American jobs to other countries has become a problem of epic proportion. Fortunately, this alarmism is misguided. Outsourcing actually brings far more benefits than costs, both now and in the long run. If its critics succeed in provoking a new wave of American protectionism, the consequences will be disastrous -- for the U.S. economy and for the American workers they claim to defend.

While I respect what he says I can't fully believe it since this townhall website is a little bias I mean it is a conservative website especially since they have tee shirts with a smiley face on it that says imagine a world with out liberals. But that was a nice try speech.Featured columnists on that site are:
Michelle Malkin, a known hate monger: Townhall.com::Columnists::Columnist (http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/MichelleMalkin/)
Bill O'Reilly, well we know about Bill
Chuck Norris, how far he has fallen, now a softie bible thumper
Ann Coulter (see here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nveiuLxc9Eo&feature=related))


It's a meeting place for the far right fanatics.

Chuck Norris, how far he has fallen, now a softie bible thumper

Lol I don't think I've ever heard him being accused of being a softy before.

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Part 3: Demographics, Lifestyle and News Consumption: Beyond Red vs. Blue (http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=945)

Notice how liberals are significantly less likely to own a gun or go to church regularly.
Granted this is from 2004

NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 (01/31/2008) (http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/)

Obama is the most liberal senator, and keeping with those views he cannot understand how important faith and gun ownership and immigration does matter, even among his own constituents, let alone in a general election.

He and other liberals, like those in San Francisco that he was speaking to, agree with what he stated and probably do not honestly understand what the big deal is.

Obama may speak for some, but I wonder how many actually examine his posistions on the issues and make a judgement based on compatible viewpoints versus those who see him as some how different from any other politician because he speaks well or looks good.

Featured columnists on that site are:
Michelle Malkin, a known hate monger: Townhall.com::Columnists::Columnist (http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/MichelleMalkin/)
Bill O'Reilly, well we know about Bill
Chuck Norris, how far he has fallen, now a softie bible thumper
Ann Coulter (see here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nveiuLxc9Eo&feature=related))


It's a meeting place for the far right fanatics.

I'm always amused at how you guys automatically disregard conservative sources because they're conservative sources... but expect us to be open minded.

I would have posted his column from his own website but he hadn't posted it there yet. But hey, if you don't want to even consider the facts presented by an accomplished African-American (http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/vita.html) with "a B.A. in economics from California State University, Los Angeles, and M.A. and Ph.D. degrees in economics from UCLA...a Doctor of Humane Letters from Virginia Union University and Grove City College, Doctor of Laws from Washington and Jefferson College and Doctor Honoris Causa en Ciencias Sociales from Universidad Francisco Marroquin, in Guatemala, where he is also Professor Honorario," that's up to you. Just don't expect me to be as open minded as you. :D

That article put a twist on it that I never read before I have to think about my position on this issue now. Seriously Tom thanks for sending that article and I apologize to you speech your article was the same but you know I saw that tee shirt and thought ahhh this is BS.

Obama is the most liberal senator, and keeping with those views he cannot understand how important faith and gun ownership and immigration does matter, even among his own constittuents, let alone in a general election.


He's a liberal, but how does that disqualify him for not understanding the importance of "faith?" Did Limbaugh forget about the Wright controversy already including the parts of Obama's follow-up speech where he proclaimed the right and freedom and importance of religion to Americans? Wow! Maybe Ann Coulter doesn't have certain cable channels and didn't see or hear the Compassion forum aired by CNN just the other day? The whole time Obama was praising the rights of Americans that choose their "faith."

He's a liberal, but Obama not removing all guns from individual ownership. He wanted childproof trigger gaurds, responsible education, and to ban all semi-automatic rifles (which I disagree with).


He's a liberal, but all three candidates, including the Republican conservative "McCain" who advocates amnesty with a bill that McCain himself sponsored, would end up with basically the same results.

That article put a twist on it that I never read before I have to think about my position on this issue now. Seriously Tom thanks for sending that article and I apologize to you speech your article was the same but you know I saw that tee shirt and thought ahhh this is BS.

I won't kid you or myself, it takes a tall pair of boots to wade through the BS on both sides, right?

By the way, I was behind a pickup on the way to work today with a bumper sticker that said, "The road to hell is paved with Republicans."

You are absolutely correct Everyone needs to wade through the BS to find the truth on both sides. I thought the road to Hell was paved with Lawyers. I have always been an independent but This election I felt the need to vote for Obama And I never felt this way about a candidate in a primary. So I registered Democrat for the first time. I really can not stand Hillary at all don't trust her at all. For me I try not to look at republican and democrat I try to look who will be the best person for the job.

Seriously Tom thanks for sending that article

No problem ;I am a regular subscriber to 'Foreign Affairs '. I particularly found the essays each candidate submitted to the magazine on the foreign policy issues they would like to address particularly informative.

Most of the major candidates submitted them but I will link to the remaining 3 .

Foreign Affairs - Security and Opportunity for the Twenty-first Century - Hillary Rodham Clinton (http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20071101faessay86601/hillary-rodham-clinton/security-and-opportunity-for-the-twenty-first-century.html)

Foreign Affairs - Renewing American Leadership - Barack Obama (http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070701faessay86401/barack-obama/renewing-american-leadership.html)

Foreign Affairs - An Enduring Peace Built on Freedom - John McCain (http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20071101faessay86602/john-mccain/an-enduring-peace-built-on-freedom.html)

It is a great magazine for a junkie like me .It usually takes a couple of weeks to read and digest all the excellent essays and articles in it . And yes ;generally I find myself in disagreement with their editorial positions.However they make compelling cases no matter which issue they are exploring .