I hate to admit it, but I know nothing about politics, which at this point in life makes me feel rather stupid.

I did not have a political upbringing in any fashion. As I grew, I found no interest in the subject to do further research on my own, which I admit is bad.

However I am having a really hard time this year figuring out who I am going to vote for. For crying out loud I do not even know if I am a Democrat or a Republican.

I don't like any of the presidential candidates this year, and I did not vote for Bush.

I usually vote for the best guy or girl for the job, therefore I must be an Independent? However this year I am not sure who the best guy or girl for the job is.

I love this country, our country, -- THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA -- and the only thing that is important to me, at this point in time, is stopping the war and bringing our soldiers home!!

Therefore, does anyone have any ideas, opinions, thoughts or beliefs that could aid me in this year's decision?

Thanks!

I agree many are not happy with any of the choices this time around. Unfortunately we do not seem to get enough people together to vote for an outside choice and have any real chance of winning.
The way I see it
Hillary--self ego trip in it for herself only!
Obama--shaky too shaky to trust
McCain--only option but still not satisfactory

I have two questions for you:

What does the United States of America stand for?

What is it that you love the most about the United States of America?

I've almost given up completely on the political situation in our country. It seems that no matter who gets elected, nothing ever gets any better, or at least, if it does, it does not last long.

I'm for smaller government, keeping more of the money I earn, making sure that our second amendment rights are kept in force, and less government intervention in our private lives.

That being said, leans me towards the right, who I do not always agree with, but much more often than the left.

Honestly, the only thing I can say about the possible choices is that John McCain would probably be the less damaging to the things I feel are important. I think that any of the Democrats will make huge increases in our taxes to maintain their socialistic practices of the re-distribution of wealth so that we can become even closer to a communistic society.

As far as the war, I don't like it, but I also believe that if we just cut and run, like the Dems want, we will find out the hard way that it was the biggest mistake ever made, even bigger than going there in the first place.

Ok, off my soap box now!

I have two questions for you:

What does the United States of America stand for?

What is it that you love the most about the United States of America?


To me the United States of America stands for freedom.

What I love most about this country is my right to have a vote.

I agree many are not happy with any of the choices this time around. Unfortunately we do not seem to get enough people together to vote for an outside choice and have any real chance of winning.
The way I see it
Hillary--self ego trip in it for herself only!
Obama--shaky too shaky to trust
McCain--only option but still not satisfactory


I agree. Exactly what I was thinking.

I've almost given up completely on the political situation in our country. It seems that no matter who gets elected, nothing ever gets any better, or at least, if it does, it does not last long.

I'm for smaller government, keeping more of the money I earn, making sure that our second amendment rights are kept in force, and less government intervention in our private lives.

That being said, leans me towards the right, who I do not always agree with, but much more often than the left.

Honestly, the only thing I can say about the possible choices is that John McCain would probably be the less damaging to the things I feel are important. I think that any of the Democrats will make huge increases in our taxes to maintain their socialistic practices of the re-distribution of wealth so that we can become even closer to a communistic society.

As far as the war, I don't like it, but I also believe that if we just cut and run, like the Dems want, we will find out the hard way that it was the biggest mistake ever made, even bigger than going there in the first place.

Ok, off my soap box now!

Thanks. This is exactly what I was looking for.

Thanks; I understand why you love your country. Just curious, though: why does the United States of America stand for freedom?

And, why do you believe you should enjoy freedom?

Do you believe you should enjoy freedom to the extent that your friends and neighbors cannot sleep in your room and eat at your table, uninvited? Or do you believe freedom means the right to have a place to sleep each night and something to eat every day?

08777444
If you oppose the war then only Obama and Hillary want to surrender .

Thanks; I understand why you love your country. Just curious, though: why does the United States of America stand for freedom?

And, why do you believe you should enjoy freedom?

Do you believe you should enjoy freedom to the extent that your friends and neighbors cannot sleep in your room and eat at your table, uninvited? Or do you believe freedom means the right to have a place to sleep each night and something to eat every day?


Uh-oh! I see something happening here. I just looked at another thread called the "H" word. I am not looking for a debate George_1950. I have already stated my position.

I posted this thread asking for OTHER PEOPLES ideas, opinions, thoughts and beliefs.

08777444
if you oppose the war then only Obama and Hillary want to surrender .


Thanks Tom, these were the remarks I was looking for.

Uh-oh! I see something happening here. I just looked at another thread called the "H" word. I am not looking for a debate George_1950. I have already stated my position.

I posted this thread asking for OTHER PEOPLES ideas, opinions, thoughts and beliefs.

You can take solace with Socrates: "I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance."

I am just happy for anybody else to step into office and for Bush to leave. I don't care who it is. I really like Hil's platform but I can't stand her! I really think that on paper Obama sounds like he would work miracles for this country, but while I am an optimist I am also a cynic and I don't think that this country can be fixed in 4 years. Plus all of the stuff that has been coming out about him lately is just weird. I like the fact that Mccain appears to lay low. I think he is a reasonable candidate. I don't think that I would mind any of these becoming president.

I am just happy for anybody else to step into office and for Bush to leave. I don't care who it is. I really like Hil's platform but I can't stand her! I really think that on paper Obama sounds like he would work miracles for this country, but while I am an optimist I am also a cynic and I don't think that this country can be fixed in 4 years. Plus all of the stuff that has been coming out about him lately is just weird. I like the fact that Mccain appears to lay low. I think he is a reasonable candidate. I don't think that I would mind any of these becoming president.


Nicely put. Thank you.

I am just happy for anybody else to step into office and for Bush to leave. I don't care who it is. I really like Hil's platform but I can't stand her! I really think that on paper Obama sounds like he would work miracles for this country, but while I am an optimist I am also a cynic and I don't think that this country can be fixed in 4 years. Plus all of the stuff that has been coming out about him lately is just weird. I like the fact that Mccain appears to lay low. I think he is a reasonable candidate. I don't think that I would mind any of these becoming president.
I listened to Hillary at Constitution Hall, March 26, and some of her speech was:
"We need a president who understands...it's really hard out there... with gasoline at $4/gallon. It's morally unacceptable for young women not to get health care when she needs it. It's time for the US to provide quality health care to everyone. The insurance companies have too much power over your life. Education is the passport: we need universal pre-K; too many kids just give up by third grade." my notes
What would Abe say? What would Jefferson or Washington say? If Obama is to the left of Hillary, what would he say? How much of this can you afford to pay, yourself?

I hear that her free mandatory health care is going to cost EVERY one just like the health ins. Companies bill you every month but it will be the government billing ALL of us for OUR 'free' health care.

I love this country, our country, -- THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA -- and the only thing that is important to me, at this point in time, is stopping the war and bringing our soldiers home!Hello 08:

The war will only be ended if you vote for one of the Democrats.

Sure, the right calls it surrender because, although it can't define what winning is, it sure knows what losing is.

excon

Hello 08:

The war will only be ended if you vote for one of the Democrats.

Sure, the right calls it surrender because, although it can't define what winning is, it sure knows what losing is.

excon

Hello Ex:

Just to clarify something, are you saying the Republicans are the right and the Democrats are the left?

08

are you saying the Republicans are the right and the Democrats are the left?Hello again, 8:

Yup.

excon

I hear that her free mandatory health care is going to cost EVERY one just like the health ins. companies bill you every month but it will be the government billing ALL of us for OUR 'free' health care.You seems a little confused. There is no such thing as "free" health care, not anywhere in the world. It's called socialized medicine or publicly funded health care (like here in Canada). Whoever told you it's free is quite ignorant. In the same vein as there are no free roads or firefighter service, it's all from the tax base.

You seems a little confused. There is no such thing as "free" health care, not anywhere in the world. It's called socialized medicine or publicly funded health care (like here in Canada). Whoever told you it's free is quite ignorant. In the same vein as there are no free roads or firefighter service, it's all from the tax base.
Actually, the key word is "universal", at least for Hillary; she criticizes Obama for leaving "out" some folks. I heard Hillary say, "It's time for the US to provide quality health care to every one. The insurance companies have too much power over your life." She is not going to speak publicly about the cost; and she doesn't mind the power government insurance would have over Americans. Just look at the mess at Veterans Hospitals; not that all of them are bad. But American health care, in just a few years, will look like American education if the Dem/fascists get their plan into law.

Hello agian, 8:

Yup.

excon


Hello again ex:

This is all becoming much clearer to me now.

Thanks.

8

[QUOTE=George_1950]

"if the Dem/fascists get their plan into law."


I hear the media refer to the right as the fascists, and I thought the right was Republican?

Fascism is national socialism . Communism is international socialism Which spectrum is more socialist ? Right or left ?

fascism - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism)

1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>People were using this term recently referring to the US usually referring to its leader and the powers he has given himself. Also the unauthorized spying on the citizentry has helped the 'controlling by fear' method of governance that fascists/dictators seem to enjoy.

The inconventient truth is that fascism is a left-wing ideology, in that it is clearly 'statist' (favors a big state), totalitarian (regulating everything), and collective (downplaying the rights of the individual). This is related to the Jacobinians of the French Revolution and other ideologies that favor the 'Common good' over individual rights.

[QUOTE=George_1950]

"if the Dem/fascists get their plan into law."


I hear the media refer to the right as the fascists, and I thought the right was Republican?
You won't learn about fascism from the media; they want to characterize fascism as "right wing", when fascism and communism are joined at the hip: both are command/authoritarian systems of government. While both are dictatorial, in communist states all property is owned by "the people", while in fascist states property may be privately owned, whether by individuals or monopolies. So, if fascism and communism are both on the left, what is on the right? Individualism, libertarianism, etc. under which individuals own property and have the right to do with it what they will.