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luqui80
Apr 12, 2008, 05:11 AM
I am building a "pony wall" to have base cabinets butt up against. On the top of this pony wall I intend to have a raised countertop section. The wall will be constructed using 2x4's and both sides will be drywalled. The countertop I intend to use will be either corian or quartz and the with of the wall will be about 72" with the top of the countertop at 43" high. Is there anything I can to do to make sure the wall is strong enough to support the countertop? And, is there anything I need to do to make installation of the countertop easier? I have no idea how the countertop would be installed so any information would be helpful. Thanks in advance!
hkstroud
Apr 12, 2008, 07:43 AM
My concerns would be the tilting or flexing of the wall since the top is not attached to anything. Particularly if the counter top is very wide. The joint I would be most concerned with would be the joint between the studs and the bottom plate.
My approach to to constructing this wall would be to first build a box of the top and bottom plates and the two end studs. Temporarily sit this wall in place and sit my cabinets in place. Mark the location for the internal studs such that they align with the sides of the cabinets. Remove the wall and install the internal studs. Normally you would space the studs on 16" centers to align with breaks in the sheet goods but in this case you want them to be located so you can later attach the sides of the cabinets to them. Because of their better gripping power use screws instead of nails to build the wall. I would also install T straps at the joint between each stud and the bottom plate on the cabinet side of the wall. I would use 1/2" plywood on the cabinet side of the wall up to just below the cabinet counter top highth. Use drywall above that. This would increase the strength of the stud and bottom plate joint and prevent any racking of the wall. I would then install the wall, anchoring it to the floor with screws or bolts. Sit the cabinets in place and attach the sides of the cabinets to the studs using straps or mending plates. You want attach the sides of the cabinets, not the backs to the wall for the greatest strength. The cabinets will will in effect be holding the wall up and preventing it from tilting. Remove the toe kick plates of the cabinets and attach sides of the cabinets to the floor using L brackets. With the wall and the cabinets tie together like this, the wall is not 4" thick, it is 28" thick. Now install the drywall on the other side of the wall.
On the top of the wall install 3/4" plywood, 2" less in width than the counter top. This should not be one long piece of plywood the length of the wall, but should be at least 3 pieces with a 1/4" gap between them. Wood moves with changes in humidity, Corain moves with changes in temperature. Usually these are in opposition with each other. Corian counter tops are usually 3/4" thick with an edging strip added to the underside to give the appearance of 1 1/2" thickness. Use construction adhesive and screws to attach the plywood to the top plate of the wall, screwing on the outer edges of the top plate. The Corian will rest on the plywood and be attached with spots or beads of a flexible adhesive to allow it to expand and contract.
Just my way, but then I can turn any 3 hour task into a 3 day job.
the1unv
Apr 12, 2008, 01:54 PM
OK here is what I do... Its fairly easy... I simpy install the two end 2x4's first. I cut a square hole in the floor at each end of the wall... "drop" your end boards in the hole and brace them to your floor trusses... if you have easy access to the underside of your floor this should take less than an hour. Build your wall as normal... set it between your two end boards and fasten. It is the most quick, cheapest and most secure way I have found to do it. I secure all my "raised" tops with 100% silicon if they are under 16" wide. Over that I install 3/4" plywood to fit the groove under the top. Glue and screw the plywood to the top of your wall... then silicon and screw the top. Screw the top from under side of plywood and remember to use the right size screws. To short won't hold. To long... Ouch!
Mike
luqui80
Apr 13, 2008, 11:07 PM
Really good ideas! I think I will run the 2X4's into the floor since I'll have tile down already and won't be able to screw into the floor. How do you attach it to the floor joist? Mine run parallel to the wall I'm building so the 2X4 won't be able to get a bolt going through it. (They'll be perpendicular) Would metal studs work better? I've never used metal studs so I'm hesitant on using them. Can I use a combination of metal and wood?