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svatnsdal
Apr 4, 2008, 09:51 PM
In Canada we have a law, to sell alcohol the person must be over the legal drinking age, differs with each province and Territory. However, a 13 year old can sell tobacco! There is no law stating the same there, why? If we care so much, why isn't there a law stating that the person selling the tobacco must be over the legal age?

anveshadwivedi
Apr 5, 2008, 03:19 AM
In Canada we have a law, to sell alcohol the person must be over the legal drinking age, differs with each province and Territory. However, a 13 year old can sell tobacco! There is no law stating the same there, why? If we care so much, why isn't there a law stating that the person selling the tobacco must be over the legal age?
Yes u are right . There should be a law that a person less then 18ys old cannot see tabacoo. You know in INDIA there is a law against child labour and the child less then 18 ys old cannot works in a factory, shop etc.

excon
Apr 5, 2008, 04:51 AM
Hello sv:

I agree. Next time I'm in Parliament, I'm going to make a motion.

excon

svatnsdal
Apr 5, 2008, 04:09 PM
Well excon, it would be nice if that was very soon! It would be nice to actually have a government that shows more care and think of things like this themselves! Yet we all know, a lot of our governments pay comes from tobacco, we all know they really don't care!

Fr_Chuck
Apr 5, 2008, 05:00 PM
Yes the US has such laws, they are seldon enforced and normally broken but we have such laws

Alty
Apr 5, 2008, 05:05 PM
How are underage people getting their hands on tobacco in the first place? And legally the person they are selling to has to be 18 or they could be charged. I'm baffled.

JudyKayTee
Apr 6, 2008, 07:02 AM
In Canada we have a law, to sell alcohol the person must be over the legal drinking age, differs with each province and Territory. However, a 13 year old can sell tobacco! There is no law stating the same there, why? If we care so much, why isn't there a law stating that the person selling the tobacco must be over the legal age?


Can 13 year olds work in stores in Canada?

Alty
Apr 6, 2008, 10:47 AM
A 13 year old can get a part time job at McDonalds, but that's it as far as I know. Unless of course their parents own the store.

svatnsdal
Apr 7, 2008, 12:50 PM
Can 13 year olds work in stores in Canada?


Yes!

JudyKayTee
Apr 7, 2008, 01:05 PM
yes!


I just looked the law up and it appears to say no - do you have a source? "Children" in particular cannot work in a bad environment and perhaps selling cigarettes is a bad environment.

svatnsdal
Apr 8, 2008, 11:40 AM
I just looked the law up and it appears to say no - do you have a source? "Children" in particular cannot work in a bad environment and perhaps selling cigarettes is a bad environment.

They can work, they are not forced. Most 13 year old do jobs like babysit, mow the lawn, and so forth. Some do work at places like McDonalds. Some 13 year olds want to work, there's nothing wrong with it, but they are never forced. With selling cigarettes, it's mainly in a family run store. I've seen younger kids working in corner stores that sell smokes, all family run.

JudyKayTee
Apr 8, 2008, 12:51 PM
They can work, they are not forced. Most 13 year old do jobs like babysit, mow the lawn, and so forth. Some do work at places like McDonalds. Some 13 year olds want to work, there's nothing wrong with it, but they are never forced. With selling cigarettes, it's mainly in a family run store. I've seen younger kids working in corner stores that sell smokes, all family run.


Well, you can answer your own question about why this is allowed by calling and reporting underage kids working, perhaps longer hours than allowed also.

svatnsdal
Apr 9, 2008, 11:20 AM
Well, you can answer your own question about why this is allowed by calling and reporting underage kids working, perhaps longer hours than allowed also.

Working underage kids is not my point of the question. My point of the question is to why children under 19 can sell tobacco! Walk into any London Drugs, Stupidstore (sorry superstore), extra foods, safeway, IGA, save on foods, I could go on. If you look around, a lot of the employee's are under the age of 19, and are still able to sell tobacco. I want to know why!
With alcohol, we are lucky to have liquor stores and bear and wine stores. By law, the employee's must be over the drinking age to sell the alcohol. Even to serve it!
So why don't we have the same law for tobacco!
I do have to point out, it does differ with each province and territory, the age that is.

NeedKarma
Apr 9, 2008, 11:23 AM
yes!No, a 13 year old CANNOT work in a store Canada.

JudyKayTee
Apr 9, 2008, 03:16 PM
Working underage kids is not my point of the question. My point of the question is to why children under 19 can sell tobacco! Walk into any London Drugs, Stupidstore (sorry superstore), extra foods, safeway, IGA, save on foods, I could go on. If you look around, a lot of the employee's are under the age of 19, and are still able to sell tobacco. I want to know why!
With alcohol, we are lucky to have liquor stores and bear and wine stores. By law, the employee's must be over the drinking age to sell the alcohol. Even to serve it!
So why don't we have the same law for tobacco!?
I do have to point out, it does differ with each province and territory, the age that is.


Your question was: "In Canada we have a law, to sell alcohol the person must be over the legal drinking age, differs with each province and Territory. However, a 13 year old can sell tobacco! There is no law stating the same there, why? If we care so much, why isn't there a law stating that the person selling the tobacco must be over the legal age?"

This opened the door to how a 13 year old can sell anything.

You did not state under the age of 19; you specifically stated "13 year old."

Perhaps this is a question better addressed to the Prime Minister of Canada. I don't understand why underage people in NYS can serve/sell alcohol, for that matter.

svatnsdal
Apr 9, 2008, 03:56 PM
Your question was: "In Canada we have a law, to sell alcohol the person must be over the legal drinking age, differs with each province and Territory. However, a 13 year old can sell tobacco! There is no law stating the same there, why? If we care so much, why isn't there a law stating that the person selling the tobacco must be over the legal age?"

This opened the door to how a 13 year old can sell anything.

You did not state under the age of 19; you specifically stated "13 year old."

Perhaps this is a question better addressed to the Prime Minister of Canada. I don't understand why underage people in NYS can serve/sell alcohol, for that matter.

I was taking an age. I can say 16! A 13 year old can! Go to downtown Vancouver, check out corner stores, I assure you there are children that work there. They are family run businesses and it is normal.
In B.C. the legal drinking age is 19. Go into any store and you will find a many people under the age of 19 selling tobacco. Jesus christ some of you are very picky with wording! Shall I edit the question and take out 13?

JudyKayTee
Apr 9, 2008, 04:40 PM
I was taking an age. I can say 16! A 13 year old can! Go to downtown Vancouver, check out corner stores, I assure you there are children that work there. They are family run businesses and it is normal.
In B.C. the legal drinking age is 19. Go into any store and you will find a many people under the age of 19 selling tobacco. Jesus christ some of you are very picky with wording! Shall I edit the question and take out 13?


Normal and legal are different issues.

You seem to have a very low threshold for people who don't agree with you. You asked a specific question; several people answered it, apparently not the answer you wanted to hear.

Did you post here in January and February under another name? Your posts, language, temperament are very, very familiar to me.

snowball42
Apr 9, 2008, 04:47 PM
In Canada we have a law, to sell alcohol the person must be over the legal drinking age, differs with each province and Territory. However, a 13 year old can sell tobacco! There is no law stating the same there, why? If we care so much, why isn't there a law stating that the person selling the tobacco must be over the legal age?
Your right

NeedKarma
Apr 9, 2008, 05:23 PM
your rightAbout what?

NeedKarma
Apr 9, 2008, 05:25 PM
I was taking an age. I can say 16! A 13 year old can! That doesn't make any sense. Can you rephrase that?

13 year olds are not legally allowed to be employed. If you see a 13 year old employee in a store selling tobacco or selling anything then report the event to the proper authorities - it's not that complicated.

svatnsdal
Apr 9, 2008, 05:39 PM
Normal and legal are different issues.

You seem to have a very low threshold for people who don't agree with you. You asked a specific question; several people answered it, apparently not the answer you wanted to hear.

Did you post here in January and February under another name? Your posts, language, temperament are very, very familiar to me.

Sorry to disappoint you, but no. I just started a few days ago, if I knew of this site sooner, I would have been here sooner.
It is common for me to sound y, it's just the way I am. I am a critic, so I do a lot of attacking with my other writings.
With you, I was just annoyed that you were changing the point to my question. I just want to know why my fellow Canadian's have never had a problem with an underage person selling tobacco. I'm sorry you misunderstood my question, I can go and edit it! Only now I don't know what the hell to ask because it seems everyone takes everything so differently.

svatnsdal
Apr 9, 2008, 05:45 PM
I did try to edit it, but I couldn't. You know, I think I like you NeedKarma! You are good!
I picked 13... I don't know why I picked 13. I've seen 9 year olds sell a pack of smokes. If I was a cop, I could arrest so many people for letting a child work! I could arrest a lot of people period.
Anyway, I did try to find what the legal age for working was, but couldn't. Wouldn't be surprised if it's the same as smoking and drinking, different with every province and territory. Lets say it's 16, that's what I do think it is, I would rephrase my question and change 13, to 16.

Alty
Apr 9, 2008, 09:07 PM
We do have 13 year olds working at McDonalds in Alberta, but they are only allowed to work as part of the cleaning crew, part time, with a parents permission.

I have seen underage kids selling tobacco in family owned stores, but I don't see the problem. The parents are always there, it's not like the kid is alone in the store, running it by himself, that would make me angry. Anyway, as long as the kid is asking for ID and making sure the person buying the tobacco is of age, it shouldn't be a problem, that's my opinion.

JudyKayTee
Apr 10, 2008, 04:45 AM
Sorry to disappoint you, but no. I just started a few days ago, if I knew of this site sooner, I would have been here sooner.
It is common for me to sound y, it's just the way I am. I am a critic, so I do a lot of attacking with my other writings.
with you, I was just annoyed that you were changing the point to my question. I just want to know why my fellow Canadian's have never had a problem with an underage person selling tobacco. I'm sorry you misunderstood my question, I can go and edit it! Only now I don't know what the hell to ask because it seems everyone takes everything so differently.



See, this is one of my problems and why you sound so much like the other person - you went to law school but can't ask a clear question - and this is how you express yourself, in such a passive/aggressive manner, profanities when you get frustrated - ? You both are in the medical field - ?

No point in arguing this point any further so I'm out of it for now.

svatnsdal
Apr 10, 2008, 11:00 AM
We do have 13 year olds working at McDonalds in Alberta, but they are only allowed to work as part of the cleaning crew, part time, with a parents permission.

I have seen underage kids selling tabacco in family owned stores, but I don't see the problem. The parents are always there, it's not like the kid is alone in the store, running it by himself, that would make me angry. Anyway, as long as the kid is asking for ID and making sure the person buying the tabacco is of age, it shouldn't be a problem, that's my opinion.


Thank you!

svatnsdal
Apr 10, 2008, 11:06 AM
See, this is one of my problems and why you sound so much like the other person - you went to law school but can't ask a clear question - and this is how you express yourself, in such a passive/aggressive manner, profanities when you get frustrated - ? You both are in the medical field - ?

No point in arguing this point any further so I'm out of it for now.

That's your problem, I wish you luck finding help with your problem.
I studied law... around 15 years ago, I happily left due to not agreeing to be so cold hearted. I never swore! You say 'profanities when you get frustrated', where did I swear? Actually swear words are used often with me, but not compared to kids now a days.
The other person I don't know, I do like how she answers questions though.
Hey, maybe we are two evil demands that are just here to scare you and annoy others!
Listen, I am here to answer and ask questions, not have someone tell me what they think of me, even though I really could care less.
If you are wanting to put judgement on people, find a web site that is asking for that.

Alty
Apr 10, 2008, 12:50 PM
That's your problem, I wish you luck finding help with your problem.
I studied law... around 15 years ago, I happily left due to not agreeing to be so cold hearted. I never swore! You say 'profanities when you get frustrated', where did I swear? Actually swear words are used often with me, but not compared to kids now a days.
the other person I don't know, I do like how she answers questions though.
Hey, maybe we are two evil demands that are just here to scare you and annoy others!
Listen, I am here to answer and ask questions, not have someone tell me what they think of me, even though I really could care less.
If you are wanting to put judgement on people, find a web site that is asking for that.


Hold it! I don't think that my answer was necessarily backing you up, I'm just stating that this is what I know and what I've seen. I agree with the others that your question was a bit misleading, you did specifically ask about 13 year olds, if you meant anyone under the legal age then that's the way it should have been written, to late now. Everyone that responded, did so based on your question, we can't read minds, we answer what we read. I understand that you are getting frustrated, but please don't take it out on everyone here just because you don't agree with their opinions. The people that are posting are good, kind, caring people, I know this for a FACT!

If my answer annoyed anyone then I deeply apologize, that was definitely not my intention, I just wanted to let you know what I've seen in the town that I live in, which happens to be in Canada.

starbuck8
Apr 10, 2008, 04:37 PM
That's your problem, I wish you luck finding help with your problem.
I studied law... around 15 years ago, I happily left due to not agreeing to be so cold hearted. I never swore! You say 'profanities when you get frustrated', where did I swear? Actually swear words are used often with me, but not compared to kids now a days.
the other person I don't know, I do like how she answers questions though.
Hey, maybe we are two evil demands that are just here to scare you and annoy others!
Listen, I am here to answer and ask questions, not have someone tell me what they think of me, even though I really could care less.
If you are wanting to put judgement on people, find a web site that is asking for that.

That seems to be what you do! When the pot gets too hot for you, you run in the other direction don't you! My you've been busy! You've studied law, you've studied animal medicine. Anything else?

I didn't appreciate you sending me emails without asking first by the way.

When you studied law, didn't you study the part that says under the law in Canada states that no one under the age of 18 is allowed to buy or sell cigarettes? If you have seen this, why haven't you called the police?. or do you see it and then get on your platform to tell people how wrong it is.

I saw the profanity like everyone else did. And, just as in one of your other threads, you are accusatory and rude to everyone who doesn't have a similar opinion to yours. Do you just want to be a "right fighter"?. as I've mentioned before... do you just NEED to be right and think your opinions are the only ones that count, and everyone else is just stupid if they don't agree with you?

I think you need to find something better to fill your time. I read in my email that your way of doing things is to come on here with your main purpose being to piss people off.

There are other people on here with serious questions that really need some guidance and appreciate our input. If you are just going to come on here to try and rile people up then you really need to find a different hobby.

How about doing something with those animals that you care so dearly about, or how about educating kids on the dangers of smoking, or talk to people about online dating and getting married without ever meeting your new husband.

No need to reply.

svatnsdal
Apr 11, 2008, 12:28 PM
If you don't like the question, don't answer it!
If it makes you feel better, I will erase everything I've studied. Just because I studied law, doesn't mean I know everything! I studied it for just over a year, well over 15 years ago! In case you don't know, that really isn't much, and law does change over time.
I am not fighting against kids selling tobacco, just wondering why people say they care and don't do a bloody thing.
Thank you for your opinion. I don't love pissing people off, I like asking questions. I hate it when I ask a question and someone takes it way off the point.
If you are offended by questions like this, don't answer them! Are you sure you are Canadian?

starbuck8
Apr 11, 2008, 12:46 PM
OH I AM SURE I'M CANADIAN, AND PROUD OF IT! What was that comment meant to imply? Canadians are known for being some of the fairest and friendliest people in the world. I do not believe you are doing the rest of us much justice!

ISneezeFunny
Apr 11, 2008, 01:36 PM
... well, since we're making personal accusations...

... I'm going to have to say... that you're lying about your education.

If you've studied law, vet medicine, and now you're in med school... then I pray for the sake of humanity as your grammar is atrocious. My 15-year old brother has better grammar usage than you do. Seriously.

This is your profile:

It seems that what I say people get very offended by.
Some think one year of law is suppose to create a person who knows law completely!
So, I have education! I have studied and been in school for years, but I can't say what. It might piss someone off.
I have the great job of assisting in autopsy's, and so far some people here are making my job so much more enjoyable!
I do send a warning, most people will attack you if you disagree with what they say!
Really watch what you write, one wrong word or comma could cause a war!

... first line, there's a mistake.
... second line, there's a mistake.
... third line, there's a mistake.
... fourth line, there's a GLARING mistake.

... you get the picture?

... and how do the people on this forum make your job more enjoyable... as an assistant ME?. I ask because I have the same job...

svatnsdal
Apr 11, 2008, 01:49 PM
Listen hunny, it's not my fault you are so closed minded and decide to assume. You need to open your mind, and be grateful to those around you that do good. Even if you disagree with them, at least others see the good in them!

I do feel the sorry for the bodies you assist on because you probably judge them too.

starbuck8
Apr 11, 2008, 01:51 PM
Listen hunny, it's not my fault you are so closed minded and decide to assume. You need to open your mind, and be grateful to those around you that do good. Even if you disagree with them, at least others see the good in them!

I do feel the sorry for the bodies you assist on because you probably judge them too.

Who is doing the judging here? Do you have a mirror nearby sweetie? Take a good long look!

ISneezeFunny
Apr 11, 2008, 01:53 PM
What..! WHAT??

I'm closed minded... to... your intelligence and your abilities to make correct grammatical statements?!

... you DO realize that made absolutely NO sense... right? I mean, that wasn't even a response to what I said to you... in any way shape or form. That was straight "I'm avoiding your response like the plague...here's a bunny. Isn't it cute?" Even as a lawyer tactic, that sucked.

I don't judge the bodies I work on... I judge people with poor grammatical skills. If one of the bodies came to life and started talking to me with your style of grammar, then told me that they were studying medicine, then yes, I would judge them.

svatnsdal
Apr 11, 2008, 01:53 PM
Oh, and your statement are compliments to me! I really don't give a rats about grammar here, this isn't here to judge people on that. Have you ever, in your life, said something really nice to anyone? Have you ever in your life been nice to anyone? Please just back off and go learn how not to judge people, then maybe you can be a better influence on your brother.

svatnsdal
Apr 11, 2008, 01:56 PM
What..?!? WHAT?!??

I'm closed minded...to...your intelligence and your abilities to make correct grammatical statements?!?

...you DO realize that made absolutely NO sense...right? I mean, that wasn't even a response to what I said to you...in any way shape or form. That was straight "I'm avoiding your response like the plague...here's a bunny. Isn't it cute?" Even as a lawyer tactic, that sucked.

I don't judge the bodies I work on...I judge people with poor grammatical skills. If one of the bodies came to life and started talking to me with your style of grammar, then told me that they were studying medicine, then yes, I would judge them.

How old are you?

svatnsdal
Apr 11, 2008, 01:57 PM
I'm done here. No more life forms around this spot, I am so done!

ISneezeFunny
Apr 11, 2008, 02:00 PM
You know what svatnsdal... you're absolutely right. You're right. This forum isn't here for me to judge... it's to give advice. Here's my advice to you:

Quit starting random crap on forums to get people riled up for no reason at all. Have I said something nice to anyone? Probably not... but aren't you judging me in that sense? I've already learned how not to judge, I just choose to. See the difference?

I do try to be a good influence on my brother, the rest is up to God/Allah/Fate whatever you think exists.

I am 22 years old. I am currently a pre-med/math major/research specialist/day trader/medical examiner assistant. You?

PS - Your maturity shows through when you change your profile every 5 minutes directed at whoever you're pissy at. It reminds me of that away message thing we used to in middle school.

starbuck8
Apr 11, 2008, 02:01 PM
A lot older and more mature than you are. I'm guessing in all of your 12 yrs or so, you wouldn't be able to figure that out.

B'bye now! You are certainly not worth our time! Go study or talk to your dead bodies maybe. They might be able to put up with your nonsense. In fact, you may even bring them back to life when they get tired of listening to you like the rest of us have!

starbuck8
Apr 11, 2008, 02:02 PM
I'm done here. No more life forms around this spot, I am so done!

YEAY... PRAISE THE LORD!

svatnsdal
Apr 11, 2008, 08:48 PM
OH I AM SURE I'M CANADIAN, AND PROUD OF IT!! What was that comment meant to imply? Canadians are known for being some of the fairest and friendliest people in the world. I do not believe you are doing the rest of us much justice!

If I was trying to do justice, I would work in the political world, but I don't lie. I'm just trying to ask a simple question.