I have an old Delta two handle shower/tub faucet. I've seen many posts on this forum about how to remove the tub spout, but none seem to apply to this spout. I've taken pictures of the underside of the spout to show what I mean. There are a couple grooves, but no slot where an Allen wrench could go.

Also, what are my options as far as replacing the knobs and the trim around the knobs. Delta does not sell two handle systems anymore, and I can't find much in the way of information about them. I've found some universal knobs that I can replace them with, but they don't come with the trim, and that is what I'd like most to replace.

I've included some pictures. I would love to replace the whole thing with a single handle, but the knobs are too close to the spout to use a conversion plate.

Is is possible to replace this faucet with something newer without replacing the unit in the wall? I have good access on the backside, the two water lines are copper connected with unions, but the shower head line is copper soldered to a threaded connector, so it would take some really tight soldering.

Please ignore the disgustingness of the pictures, that's why we're looking to replace the stuff.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

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Hey RGREEN:

If there is not an allen screw holding that spout on then it should twist off counterclockwise. Try that... let me know.

Replacing the trim may be an option... You would need to take this picture over to a plumbing supply house/showroom... call ahead and make an appointment for this one... and sit with a very patient salesperson and try to find Delta trim that will work for you. I would also remove all trim and take a picture with the trim off. Most people will not have the patience to get through this with you... but there are some salespeople that will give it a try. If they tell you no go... then no go... and need to *punt*.

In terms of two handle faucets, you can find plenty of them online or at the local plumbing supply showroom... that would make the most sense to me in the long run.

Finally, and this is a little far fetched... But, if you really want a single handle shower valve to replace all this... then may be able to get a piece of scrap corian or similar material from a corian installer, have him router (shape) the edges nicely and adhere that to tub surround as a cover plate (need special adhesive to do this)... and then cut holes and install single handle valve. Like I said.. a little far fetched... but would work for you.

Hey, let us know what you think... talk later... Mark

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Thanks for the responses. I'll definitely attempt to twist the faucet off, if I'm feeling brave. It's our only bathroom, so if I break something, I'm sunk.

Those knob links are a good starting point. Thank you.

Let me add a bit to Marks advice. They make a chrome remodel cover plates to convert from a two handled tub/shower valve to a one handled one, (see image). If your spout does not have a small hole underneath next to the tile, (see image) then you have a threaded spout,(see image) and it will unscrew counterclockwise. Good luck, Tom

You know Rgreen... Tom's right.. I bet a chrome cover plate will work here... it is close.. but I think it will go.

Tom's pic. Did not come up... so I will post a picture of it.

The idea is to switch out 2 handle to 1 handle... so what if tub spout is close... I think will still work for you. Anyway, think about it anyway... let us know what you think... Mark

I unscrewed the tub spout, and it's unlike anything I've seen on here or anywhere else. It's got a 3/4 threaded copper fitting, threaded into some sort of piece that must have come with the spout. This piece has 1 1/4 threads, and a rubber gasket. I've attached pictures.

I'm thinking a 3/4 screw-on spout would work well, except the fitting sticks out of the wall too far I am afraid.

Let me know what you think. Maybe there is a direct replacement I could get even.

Thanks for all the help.

Rgreen... there is absolutely a replacement part you can get for that if needed. Any plumbing supply house should have one that attaches on just like the old tub faucet does.

You just need two pair of pliers. Hold the threaded copper fitting with one pair and loosen the brass adapter with the other (turn counterclockwise)... then get new spout and some teflon tape (5-6 wraps at copper ftting clockwise)... and install new spout!

While there at supply house you should be able to work with someone and see if they have replacement handles as well!

Let us know what happens... Mark

Finished product.

For the handles, they are universal ones from Home Depot. The drain cover, spout, handle backs and shower pipe are from a local plumbing / hardware store.

The handle backs were from some other type of installation, the guy found them in the back of the store, and I had to grind off a threaded connection that was on the back of them to make them flush.

The tub spout is a standard 1/2" spout with the threaded connection at the spout end of it. I used a brass coupler and a 2 1/2" brass nipple to connect it without having to bust out the torch. The guy said if I were to get a spout like the existing one it would be about $80 from Delta. He said this without me saying it was a Delta, so he was obviously familiar with it.

Unfortunately there's that stain around the cold faucet. The cold back was still sealed with plumbers putty, while the hot had water leak through it for who knows how long. Most likely that's just the original color of the surround. Probably not going to go away.

Thanks for all the help, I really appreciate it.

Know anybody that sells Amway? Amway makes a pretty good rust removing product, don't recall the name of it.

Great Job RGREEN!

Looks really great! Thanks for the update... Mark

I unscrewed the tub spout, and it's unlike anything I've seen on here or anywhere else. It's got a 3/4 threaded copper fitting, threaded into some sort of piece that must have come with the spout. This piece has 1 1/4 threads, and a rubber gasket. I've attached pictures.

I'm thinking a 3/4 screw-on spout would work well, except the fitting sticks out of the wall too far I am afraid.

Let me know what you think. Maybe there is a direct replacement I could get even.

Thanks for all the help.

I have the same type of setup. Were you able to remove the brass fitting with the o-ring? Mine seems to be stuck. Any ideas? I picked up the replacement spout and new fitting for $30.
Thanks

MDGwashere...

Take a pair of pliers and put it on the copper fitting. Then, hold against yourself while taking a small wrench or another pair of pliers and putting it onto the brass fitting and rotate the brass fitting counterclockwise. That should be all you need to do here. If necessary have a friend hold the pliers and then you turn the wrench... just don't slip!

Then, you want to take some pipe dope or some teflon tape (6-7 wraps) and install the new brass fitting... again, hold against yourself as you begin to feel resistance. Do not overtighten here.

Add a little silicone grease or plumber's grease on the o-ring and then install the spout. Finally, don't forget to either caulk the hole in the tub wall closed before installing the spout or take a small bead of mildew-resistant caulking and spread thin line over the spout to finish this off.

Let us know if need anything else...

MARK

MDGwashere...

Take a pair of pliers and put it on the copper fitting. Then, hold against yourself while taking a small wrench or another pair of pliers and putting it onto the brass fitting and rotate the brass fitting counterclockwise. That should be all you need to do here. If necessary have a friend hold the pliers and then you turn the wrench...just don't slip!!

Then, you want to take some pipe dope or some teflon tape (6-7 wraps) and install the new brass fitting....again, hold against yourself as you begin to feel resistance. Do not overtighten here.

Add a little silicone grease or plumber's grease on the o-ring and then install the spout. Finally, don't forget to either caulk the hole in the tub wall closed before installing the spout or take a small bead of mildew-resistant caulking and spread thin line over the spout to finish this off.

Let us know if need anything else...

MARK
I tried like hell to get the darn thing off, still stuck. I used a crescent wrench on the copper fitting and some large channel locks on the brass fitting. Tried picking out all the old pipe dope and tape. Will heating help?

Heating could help... could also burn the tub/shower surround.

I think best bet at this time will be to have a friend help... any chance of that? And I would lose the crescent wrench... has tendency to slip at exactly the moment that fitting will loosen.. I swear!

Stick with wrench and that large pair of pliers. If need be, step it up to two wrenches... these fittings will come apart as long as copper and brass like in the picture above!

Give this one more shot with larger wrenches or institute help from that friend. If that doesn't work you may need to open wall behind this and repipe for the tub spout.

OR...any chance you can just install the new spout over the old fitting like the rgreen did?? You would just add a little silicone grease on the o-ring and install tub spout... check if leaks (can even change out the o-rings if you want).

Let me know...

MARK

[QUOTE=massplumber2008]Heating could help... could also burn the tub/shower surround.

I think best bet at this time will be to have a friend help... any chance of that? And I would lose the crescent wrench... has tendency to slip at exactly the moment that fitting will loosen.. I swear!

Stick with wrench and that large pair of pliers. If need be, step it up to two wrenches... these fittings will come apart as long as copper and brass like in the picture above!

Give this one more shot with larger wrenches or institute help from that friend. If that doesn't work you may need to open wall behind this and repipe for the tub spout.

OR...any chance you can just install the new spout over the old fitting like the rgreen did?? You would just add a little silicone grease on the o-ring and install tub spout... check if leaks (can even change out the o-rings if you want).

Let me know...

MARK[/QUO

Somebody screwed up the threads on the old fitting. Looks like they are all mashed down like they put a wrench on them. That tore up the plastic threads in the spout when it was put back on after I had my tile replaced. I don't want to mess up the new one by trying it on the old one.

Sounds like you need to go for it then and remove the old one. Let us know if need more info...

MARK

When I did mine, I removed the brass fitting, and had just the copper threaded fitting that was 1/2". So, I did have to remove the old fitting before replacing, I just didn't replace it with the same style faucet.

For rust stain removal, nothing works like "Barkeepers Friend". Comes in a cardboard can like ajax. Sprinkle some of the powder into a bowl and make a paste w/some water. Spread that paste onto the rust stain and let it sit for an hour or two, then rinse. This should do it.

Hi, I actually have this same faucet in my master bath. I have successfully replaced the tub spout and shower head. My problem is that the "universal" knob and flange that I bought are not long enough when put together to reach the wall. A local plumbing place said that I could special order the same sleeves and escutcheons but for a variety of reasons that is not what I want to do. I was wondering how y'all were able to get your knobs and flanges/escutcheons to fit.

Thanks for your help

Hi Oldhouse...

Refer to post #9 to read exactly what RGREEN did. Looks like he went with mostly local hardware store/home depot stuff...

MARK

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