Geraldine Ferraro needs to step down from any and all positions that she may still hold within the Democratic party. The sight of her at the convention would be put equality standards back fifty years. Her comments were way out of line and let me be the first to say that had this been a well known Republican, every Democrat would had been calling for the culprit's head. If anyone is not up to date on Geraldine's racist styled view that has surfaced, here's a link: Obama: Ferraro claim 'absurd' -- chicagotribune.com (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-ferraro_wedmar12,1,140701.story)

I was horrified when I heard about this. She must have some terrible disease that has affected her judgment. I almost used to like her.

I'm still shaking my head. Barack has enough uphill battles to overcome without her voiced hatred; foot-in-the-mouth disease. BTW Ferraro still hasn't apologized; a person that represented African Americans a large part of her career only to call Obama's success due to him being "black."

I have to agree that the comment was absurd. She certainly could be failing in her judgemental faculties?

Now, if anyone knows the level of support from black voters that he got when he was running for congress, that would be interesting. Without having that experience, he may not have gotten this far. If it can be shown that he was elected to previous office based on a majority of black supporters, then there might be a little more rationale to the statement... but still not a basis for such a strong blanket statement.

Hillary still had the black support until Bill screwed up South Carolina. The difference being that Barack earned his position to this point and the hypocrisy of this situation is that Geraldine was given the VP candidacy by Walter Mondale.

And Evita is in the position she is in because she is the wife of a former President . Whi is this even news ? Sh esaid exactly the same thing about Jesse Jackson in 1988. A Ferraro flashback - Ben Smith's Blog - Politico.com (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/A_Ferraro_flashback.html)

Ferraro should recall that she was no ways the best qualified for the VP when she was selected to run and that her gender played a huge role in that decision. And she knows that .



"If in 1984 my name was Gerard Ferraro instead of Geraldine Ferraro, I would never have been the nominee for VP," she said.


For Ferraro I guess the lesson should be that it's not how you got the opportunity but what you did with it. Question : Do you as a Democrat think she earned her spot on the 1984 ticket ?





But Obama should not overplay this race card. To me it looks like a diversion from the scrutiny he is just now coming under (about time) . How does he answer his sides claim that he would not follow through with his pledge to withdraw from Iraq? Has he ever clarified adequately his dual positions on NAFTA ? Unless ovf course this race card works to his advantage. Yesterday it appeared to do so in Mississippi.

Yeah in this day it was certainly a stupid thing to say... but I don't think she is completely in what she said. The end of the offending quote is this:


He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

How many interviews with voters have you heard or read that gave no reason for voting for Obama other than he's black? I've heard plenty, even seen them on these boards. Even Obama himself hinted at this last year:


“I guarantee you African-American turnout, if I’m the nominee, goes up 30 percent around the country, minimum.” Aug. 20, 2007, in Concord, N.H.

Columns all across this nation have spoken of what an Obama presidency means to race relations.


At its best, the Obama candidacy is about ending a war—not so much the war in Iraq, which now has a mo­mentum that will propel the occupation into the next decade—but the war within America that has prevailed since Vietnam and that shows dangerous signs of intensifying, a nonviolent civil war that has crippled America at the very time the world needs it most. It is a war about war—and about culture and about religion and about race. And in that war, Obama—and Obama alone—offers the possibility of a truce (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712/obama). -Andrew Sullivan


The possibility of a black person becoming president has many dramatic and promising consequences (http://www.kentucky.com/589/story/327307.html).

Nothing could compare with the immediate positive consequences for our nation's long race-related disgrace. Electing Barack Obama president would immediately ease dangerous tensions that still exist. The entire racial problem would likely begin to be resolved, and the nation's worst blight would finally be healed permanently.

Having a black president would mean a reversal of our nation's negative image in the world. (In 26 countries, America's image has suffered a sharp decline in the last four years.)

Overnight, people all over the world would believe that America was finally putting into practice the high purposes set forth by our founders' statement, "We hold these truths to be self-evident ..." -Marvin Jones in the Lexington Herald-Leader


Yet there is still an enormous amount of excitement abroad about the prospect of an Obama victory. Why? Symbolism plays a big role... the main difference an Obama presidency would make is his race (http://www.newsweek.com/id/91621), which today trumps gender in most of the world, as far as symbolism goes. For the first time, the United States would have a chief of state who looks like what most of the earth's inhabitants believe they look like. By American standards, Obama is black; through the prism of the peoples of what used to be known as the Third World, he is simply dark-skinned. He looks like one of the billions of dwellers of the poorer two thirds of the planet. For the first time, the leader of the "others" would look like "us." For the first time, the first impression would be a lasting one: at a time of enormous U.S. unpopularity in the world, essentially because of George W. Bush in Iraq, the leader of the "bad guys" would look like the "good guys." -Jorge G. Castañeda in Newsweek


An Obama presidency would present, as a distinctly American face, a man of African descent, born in the nation's youngest state, with a childhood spent partly in Asia, among Muslims. No public relations campaign could do more than Obama's mere presence (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-dem3feb02,0,3530861.story) in the White House to defuse anti-American passion around the world" -LA Times endorsement


Obama is as global a figure in every respect as it is possible to be. His race, his heritage, and his upbringing create points of strong identification (http://www.tcf.org/list.asp?type=NC&pubid=1805) in places as far apart as Indonesia, Kenya, the Middle East, and Kansas. The image of President Barack Hussein Obama being inaugurated as viewed on all those hundreds of television channels would do more in a single stroke, I would argue, to transform the world’s attitude toward the United States than any conceivable policy shift -Peter Osnos, The Century Foundation


the prospect of the first black president (http://www.hnn.us/articles/29933.html) would be likely to produce a phenomenon similar to the first free election in South Africa. Blacks would register in unprecedented numbers and the percentage of black registrants who actually vote would soar. Add this upsurge in black voters to the minority of whites in the South who vote Democratic and many southern states—including Mississippi—could become winnable for the Democrats...

Consider what a positive signal would be sent to the world if the first African-American president—and a Christian with a Muslim name and heritage—replaced George W. Bush. In terms of the United States reclaiming its moral position and respect in the world, it might well be that the cure for Osama is Obama.

The symbolism of the first African-American president being inaugurated less than a month before the nation celebrates the bicentennial of the Great Emancipator should be enough to dampen the eyes even of political cynics whose tear ducts have long seemed to be vestigial organs. -Robert S. McElvaine, History News Network

It seems to me the country is indeed "caught up in the concept" of a black president. So was she wrong?

Tom and Speech-



I should address some things.

1.) Polarized Mississippi for example: Over seventy percent of Caucasians voted for Hillary yesterday. Did we hear from Hillary's fund raiser and supporter "Geraldine Ferraro" mention that Hillary was lucky for being "white?!" Of course not. But let me remind those wanting to argue that Obama receives the majority of African America support solely based on skin color, that up until the South Carolina primary, Hillary actually had about half of that black support. She can thank Bill for screwing her out of the other half of black vote. And where should that black vote be? For blacks voting Democrat there is only one option and it is for the candidate, Barack Obama, that has not made a campaign out his opponent being white or female.

All the fireworks are coming camp Clinton, and Obama has no choice but to say they are "absurd." I'll take it further and say that it's deliberately fueled and throwing the kitchen sink at Obama included packaged racist remarks. Hillary now sees that backfired so she tells the press that it's simply Geraldine's personal view that she doesn't agree with.

2.) I'm disturbed by the notion that Obama should not defend himself from such intentional statements. Such remarks have no place in a society that fashions itself on equality. Some may say he is overplaying the race card, but if he going to be elected president of the US, Obama has to address such matters on the home-front.


3.) And for moment I want to touch further on more of Ferraro's statement:

Geraldine Ferraro: "He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."


To be a black politician running for highest office in a country that has never had a black president, is lucky? Where there are stilll parts of the country that darker skinned U.S. citizens wouldn't dare live because of fear for their own families safety. Lucky? The easy route would be on Caucasians with the past 200 years plus of history. Oh! And just in case Geraldine slipped this by anyone, understand what she's really campaigning is that Obama is a dumb little negro boy.

It seems to me the country is indeed "caught up in the concept" of a black president. So was she wrong?

The whites and Asians and Latinos I've talked to about Obama voted for him because he is smart and articulate and thinks on his feet and doesn't get ruffled. Blacks may be "caught up in the concept of a black president" (and rightly so) but the rest of us don't see his blackness--and don't care.

Here is a supporter of Obama (Tom and Speech: sorry if he does not fit into your stereotype):

kica8hmSdAM

The whites and Asians and Latinos I've talked to about Obama voted for him because he is smart and articulate and thinks on his feet and doesn't get ruffled. Blacks may be "caught up in the concept of a black president" (and rightly so) but the rest of us don't see his blackness--and don't care.

Good point. Hillary failed in the debates when given the opportunity to address the same theme that the Republicans supporters continue to foster. Provided Obama receives the nomination, John McCain will get his comeuppance.

Bobby,

Like I said it was "a stupid thing to say," but I think the evidence is clear there are a lot of people - not just in this country - "caught up in the concept." I think I've shown several good examples of that, so would you say that after 7 years of the "disastrous" Bush presidency (not my words), 2 wars, all the bleating about the economy, the housing "crisis," Rita and Katrina (remember the famous Kanye West "George Bush doesn't care about black people!" remark), the alleged "Republican culture of corruption," etc. that Obama, an eloquent, inspiring black man did not come around at a lucky, i.e. fortunate time for him?

I would not attribute his success in the campaign to race alone, but to say it isn't factor in his popularity right now is a little disingenuous given the evidence from supporters saying it is.


"I think people think of the president of the United States as a white Anglo-Saxon all-American boy," said Nancy Harris, 46, of Manchester, who is volunteering for a presidential candidate - Obama - for the first time in her life. "To see someone who is a man of color will make a difference (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/01/08/backers_say_obama_can_regain_worlds_respect_for_us/). It will create a positive image - that America isn't stuck up."


Obama believes himself to be part of a post-racial US. Not so. His race is crucial to his appeal, charisma, sales pitch and symbolism. He will win because he's black (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23277248-5007146,00.html), not despite it. Let us hope that maniacal racists in the US do not exact a terrible vengeance.


Renewal is about policy; it’s also about symbolism. Which brings us to Barack Hussein Obama, the Democratic candidate with a Kenyan father, a Kansan mother, an Indonesian stepfather, a childhood in Hawaii and Indonesia and impressionable experience of the Muslim world.

If the globe can’t vote next November, it can find itself in Obama. Troubled by the violent chasm between the West and the Islamic world? Obama seems to bridge it. Disturbed by the gulf between rich and poor that globalization spurs? Obama, the African-American, gets it: the South Side of Chicago is the South Side of the world...

“Mexicans want evidence that things are shifting, which means the Democrats, and of course a woman like Hillary Clinton, or a black like Obama, would signal a huge cultural change,” said Jorge Castañeda, a former foreign minister.

“My sense is the symbolism in Mexico of a dark-skinned American president would be enormous (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/15/opinion/15cohen.html?hp). We’ve got female leaders now in Latin America — in Chile, in Argentina. But the idea of a U.S. leader who looks the way the world looks as seen from Mexico is revolutionary.”


The Bush years have scarred the world's view of America as beacon of hope and bastion of freedom, but the scar can fade given the right treatment. The best medicine America could have for its future lies in the figure of Barak Obama, the epitomize of the global citizen and the man best placed to lead America, not only out of the troubles of the post 911 age, but finally lay to rest the haunting ghosts of slavery that still seem to haunt the American psyche and leave the American dream seeming just that, a dream, something transient, that is never to be realized.

Obama's race, some say shouldn't matter. But in a country so caught up with this issue it can't be ignored and symbolism matters. Of course, he should only be elected on the basis of his strengths, but his race is a strength (http://www.helium.com/items/883734-symbolism-mattersin-interdependent-world). It forms who he is, the prism through which he views life and how the rest of the world views the country that he represents, which - despite its faults - remains the best hope for all of us during these troubled times.

So while Ferraro is taking the heat (and rightfully so) for what she said, people the world over are proving her at least partially right.

Steve

P.S. NK, I do resent the way you attempt to portray me. I don't "stereotype" blacks, and I don't back down when I'm right. Besides all that I've made it clear that race and gender are not issues to me, I want the most qualified.

P.S. NK, I do resent the way you attempt to portray me. I don't "stereotype" blacks, and I don't back down when I'm right. Besides all that I've made it clear that race and gender are not issues to me, I want the most qualified.You might want to apologize - I was referring to your stereotyping the Obama supporters as simply following a hype. Thissupporter obviously knows the issues as they relate to him and is not "caught up in a concept".

Back on topic - it looks like this is a serial offender:
A Ferraro flashback - Ben Smith's Blog - Politico.com (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/A_Ferraro_flashback.html)


Placid of demeanor but pointed in his rhetoric, Jackson struck out repeatedly today against those who suggest his race has been an asset in the campaign. President Reagan suggested Tuesday that people don't ask Jackson tough questions because of his race. And former representative Geraldine A. Ferraro (D-N.Y.) said Wednesday that because of his "radical" views, "if Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race."

You might want to apologize - I was referring to your stereotyping the Obama supporters as simply following a hype. Thissupporter obviously knows the issues as they relate to him and is not "caught up in a concept".

NK, Given that I had merely posted what Obama and some of his supporters said and had not stereotyped anyone, your comment alone was inappropriate. Posting it along with a video of a black Obama supporter has racial connotations and I don't take that lightly. I have nothing to apologize for.

Is there something wrong with just responding to my posts without the demeaning jabs?

There's some truth in what she says (somewhat) and its also its stupid of her to do so... maybe... or not?

The truth? The dems who early on said it was a win-win... that theyd get a woman or a black man nominee... lets feel good about ourselves for being open minded. Now... if you like the policy, then its bonus... but there was an early elation that this will be the most wonderful nomination ever. Gotten a little ugly since then.

Clinton and obama aren't getting separation on the issues. He's getting support from blacks, she's getting support from women. He's getting younger support, she's did well in tx in part due to the older vote.

What I don't get is how she can (or her minions can) use this and get away with it. b!tching cause he's black means you need to put away your tears about how tough it is to be a woman running for prez. Really. Stop it!

And don't tell me for one minute that bill didn't kick arse campaigning against bush and dole because of a charisma, a presence. Its just hypocritical.

Her frustration is real... I believe it... but the clintons have an air of... well, being heirs to the throne... that is disappointing.

And I'm not in love with obama (or mccain for that matter)... but his campaign seems to be running a smarter path. He's mostly counter-punching.

I mean... how can you suggest a dream ticket, with him supposedly as the veep, and still attack him on his inexperience? Really? You are excited about choosing a vp that you say is not prepared for the job... but it'll be a great way to win??

Reagan showed you can't knock a guy down cause he's charismatic, as shown by the crossover dems. His being "old" didn't matter... he had a presence. Does she really think attacking his presence, or worse, the color of his skin, is going to make a difference?

Maybe.

That's why I said at the beginning... maybe.

Maybe its not so dumb after all. Maybe listing him as a potential vp gets some on her side and diminishes his stature a bit. Maybe guilting people about feeling good about voting for a young, black man actually can swing some her way.

In a race this close, every little bit can count... so perhaps she's not so dumb about this campaign after all... she survived tx and Ohio, has Pennsylvania coming up, and has withstood his best shots.

Maybe her campaign is doing exactly what it needs to do, and I'm just a schmuck with a PC. I keep thinking that he's going to take it all... and she's still there.

So having ferraro say this... maybe it'll pi$$ off the obama faithful... but what about those in the middle... wondering which way to go? In a nomination process that is this tight, all she needs to do is keep things close, perhaps, to win. Or at least "not lose".

Yes she's a repeat "offender," one more Democrat dividing the party. :D

Bobby,

Like I said it was "a stupid thing to say," but I think the evidence is clear there are a lot of people - not just in this country - "caught up in the concept."

So while Ferraro is taking the heat (and rightfully so) for what she said, people the world over are proving her at least partially right.


Ferraro's partial statement "caught up in the concept," are part of whole incident of remarks. It's no more factual than Clinton or McCain supporters being caught up in the concepts of their own preferred candidates ideologies.

But Obama should not overplay this race card.
And that is what everyone is doing, even in this thread. She is not a racist and what she said, in a historical sense, is true.

reagan showed you can't knock a guy down cause hes charismatic, as shown by the crossover dems. his being "old" didnt matter... he had a presence. does she really think attacking his presence, or worse, the color of his skin, is going to make a difference?".

Reagan was a great communicator and along with his charismatic personality had the knack to tell people off that disagreed with him, yet they smiled and enjoyed the lecture at the same time. And in fact, his canny ability was so good that some even thanked him, endured him, not realizing what just happened. However, never in his public career did he damaen anyone based on skin color.



so having ferraro say this... maybe itll pi$$ off the obama faithful... but what about those in the middle... wondering which way to go? in a nomination process that is this tight, all she needs to do is keep things close, perhaps, to win. or at least "not lose".

Ferraro, a staffed Clinton campaign fundraiser, loses more credibility, if that was possible. She needs to step down from a life of "me, me, me" and come off her "none apologetic" throne.

And that is what everyone is doing, even in this thread. She is not a racist and what she said, in a historical sense, is true.


And you didn't find her remarks absurd? You're putting an arm around Ferraro and saying it's OK. Not me. I'm not so passive about her uneducated statements. Historically speaking her implications that he is "lucky" to be "black," rather than worked fairly for his position, didn't get by me. Speak for yourself.

OK... but maybe both sides are playing this game.

Call clinton a monster and step down... does the threat of a "monster" linger? Maybe.

Get ferraro, a woman who probably appeals nostalgically to the older base, to be embattled with the race issue... one line of thought is let him win all those who are voting on race (not that all are) or compete with those who might be by prodding their guilt.

I agree... when I heard her comments I thought "really?"... this is all they have to go on?

But the reality is that she's still in the race. Maybe she's doing more right than I think. Whatever it takes to win Pennsylvania might be what she "needs" to win?

I long ago learned to judge a mans' character by his associations, and when I look at Obama and his relationship with Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright and his Black liberation theology who described 9/11 as a case of white America getting what it deserves it certainly raises concern. Obama first met Wright and joined his church while he was working as a community organizer prior to attending Harvard Law School.

I see a lot more evidence against Obama being neutral than Ferraro being racist.

I long ago learned to judge a mans' character by his associations, and when I look at Obama and his relationship with Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright and his Black liberation theology who described 9/11 as a case of white America getting what it deserves it certainly raises concern. Obama first met Wright and joined his church while he was working as a community organizer prior to attending Harvard Law School.

I see a lot more evidence against Obama being neutral than Ferraro being racist.

First off what you copied in part is from a website that I've read elsewhere. However I've been chomping at the bit hoping someone would bring this into play. Obama has publicly said that he has not sat down to talk specifically with Wright concerning his personal political views or to run his campaign. He hasn't had that privilege, nor does Obama endorse all of Wright's religious/political ideology. Ferraro on the other hand is on Hillary's staff for campaign fund raising and there are no excuses for "Geraldine's," carefully, racially packaged remarks.

Everything you write is copied in part from somewhere, so what is your point in saying that? Was it an attempt to demean me?

That a man and his wife are not influenced by the Church they attend is ludicrous; I am reminded of what Obama's wife said: “for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.” Sounds close to the contempt their Church Pastor has for America.

It's interesting to watch the left infighting…Makes me wonder what Ferraro is going to do when Obama (If he wins the nomination) comes asking for fundraising support.

Hello Bobby:

Yeah, I'm caught up in the concept. I'm inspired... I don't think those are BAD things.

I sure don't like Hillary - or now Geraldine either. But, they're going to reap what they sew. She's toast.

excon

I am reminded of what Obama's wife said: “for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.” Sounds close to the contempt their Church Pastor has for America.
The spouses in this campaign are not particularly helpful. Billy playing the role of "bad cop" didn't work out so well for hillary, and every time obama's wife talks lately, it like she takes them three steps back.

Did you hear her tell people to avoid corporate jobs for social issues? In one fell she both called her husbands success an anomaly (we can do it, but you cant... you need the govt)... and at the same time told people to avoid corporate work (better pay) for service jobs...

Mkay.

That's exactly what out country needs... more service jobs. The intent, I think, was to tell people to work for "causes" but it came across as service jobs... fantastic.

Lets just hire our engineers overseas right out of the gate. Channel our kids into service roles. Great. Lets just sell the crap china makes and reap the profit that walmart deems acceptable.

Seriously... don't think I've ever seen a situation where the spouses were such verbal liabilities.

This is all based on the fact that the repubs are scared of running against Barack. So they dig whatever they can find. It's all kind of amusing.

Everything you write is copied in part from somewhere, so what is your point in saying that? Was it an attempt to demean me?.

You obviously don't know me. Not everything I write is copied in part from elsewhere, but the times I have referenced others I do usually provide links or quotation marks. The point was that although you took your information directly from another source, I was happy to address the misgivings.




That a man and his wife are not influenced by the Church they attend is ludicrous; I am reminded of what Obama's wife said: “for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.” Sounds close to the contempt their Church Pastor has for America.

Why? I'm not persuaded by half the nonsense I read on these boards daily. However since you bring it up, I do applaud and agree with Michelle Obama. In fact I wish it felt like hope is finally making a comeback everyday. I haven't felt much of that during the Bush Administration.





It's interesting to watch the left infighting…Makes me wonder what Ferraro is going to do when Obama (If he wins the nomination) comes asking for fundraising support.

Keep in touch. Obama doesn't need Ferraro.

I was unaware of her telling people to avoid corporate jobs for social issues. And yes, the spouses in this appear to be saying things that hinder more than help

Interesting about the anomaly bit…basically that is what Ferraro was pointing out.

Hello Bobby:

Yeah, I'm caught up in the concept. I'm inspired... I don't think those are BAD things.

I sure don't like Hillary - or now Geraldine either. But, they're gonna reap what they sew. She's toast.

excon


:)

Ferraro's partial statement "caught up in the concept," are part of whole incident of remarks. It's no more factual than Clinton or McCain supporters being caught up in the concepts of their own preferred candidates ideologies.

Bobby, I could continue to post comments from politicians, columnists and voters all day that give credence to her remarks, that talk about how exciting it would be to have not only a black man, but someone that is literally in their eyes diversity himself, as president. And that is what Ferraro said from the beginning before the Obama campaign and the media ran with it.


Reached at her home in Manhattan on Tuesday evening, she said that, in her original remarks, she was asked why there had been so much excitement (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/12/us/politics/12campaign.html?ref=politics) about Mr. Obama’s candidacy. “And I said, ‘I think part of it is because he’s black,’ ” she said. “People are excited about this historic candidacy. I am, too.”

But the Obama campaign “twisted” her remarks, she said. “I am livid at this thing,” she said. “Any time you say anything to anybody about the Obama campaign, it immediately becomes a racist attack.”

I still say her remarks were inappropriate, but I think it's ironic that so many people are coming down on Ferraro so hard considering what's already been said by his supporters. If his race has nothing to do with his success in the campaign - the excitement of it all - then why have so many of his supporters been saying it does? That's all I'm asking. Either it's OK to say his race has something to do with the excitement or not, isn't it?

BABRAM


Well of course, all the Anti-America Socialist and Communist applaud and agree with Michelle Obama.

BABRAM


Well of course, all the Anti-America Socialist and Communist applaud and agree with Michelle Obama.

And so does a G-d fearing Jew that is registered Democrat. I suppose that does bother the nazis. :rolleyes:

This is all based on the fact that the repubs are scared of running against Barack. So they dig whatever they can find. It's all kind of amusing.

A liberal Democrat makes some remarks that offend Obama and so "this is all based on the fact that the repubs are scared of running against Barack?" LOL, who needs to dig up dirt while the Democrats are doing such a good job of fighting amongst themselves? :D

BABRAM


Is an Anti-America Socialist and Communist mutually exclusive from a democrat…I don't think there is any longer.

Latest news...

Ferraro is leaving the campaign.

Still... is the "guilt trip" of voting for him over her going to have staying power? Is the fact that ferraro, a woman of historic prominence, is leaving the scene going to play into clintons favor, instead of against her?

Again... while I think she's losing it all... she still in the hunt... so maybe she's smarter than my dumb arse.

Look at my response . I was critical of Ferraro and showed she had a history of this and also demonstrated the hypocrisy of her comment. Seems like the Dems can make comments like this all the time and get away with it .

Consider Biden's racists comments :



"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy ... I mean, that's a storybook, man."


Consider Bob Kerry's biggoted comments playing the Muslim card bringing up the spectre that Obama is the Muslim Manchurian candidate.

And it was a liberal columnist from the LA Slimes who called Obama "the magic negro "

Obama the 'Magic Negro' - Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story?coll=la-opinion-center)

Was there similar outrage when lib creator of Doonsbury Gary Trudeau wrote racisim into his comic stip about Condi Rice ?

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/db/2004/db040407.gif

Or how about this gem from Gus Savage Dem from Chicago "I don't talk to you white motherf******. You motherf****** in the white press. F*** you, you motherf***ing assh*** white devils."

How about Chris Dodd praising Robert "White Sheets" Byrd saying he would've been a great leader in the Civil War.

There are many other examples. I think the outrage here is very selective.

Bobby, I could continue to post comments from politicians, columnists and voters all day that give credence to her remarks, that talk about how exciting it would be to have not only a black man, but someone that is literally in their eyes diversity himself, as president. And that is what Ferraro said from the beginning before the Obama campaign and the media ran with it.

I still say her remarks were inappropriate, but I think it's ironic that so many people are coming down on Ferraro so hard considering what's already been said by his supporters. If his race has nothing to do with his success in the campaign - the excitement of it all - then why have so many of his supporters been saying it does? That's all I'm asking. Either it's OK to say his race has something to do with the excitement or not, isn't it?


Steve-

No. She was not implying the "excitement of it all." She wished Hillary had the excitement. Ferraro doesn't want success for Barack or any excitement on his part. Period. She wanted to emphasize race because in her campaign geared mind, to be successful meant being Caucasian for the past 200 plus years, otherwise Obama was just "lucky." In other words, blacks are dumb, uneducated, and some how manage to get lucky occasionally. I have no doubt you could find sentiment for Ferraro, but her statement stands and she fashioned her views in a way that even Hillary had to distance herself from the remark.

BABRAM


Is an Anti-America Socialist and Communist mutually exclusive from a democrat…I don't think there is any longer.


You probably don't ride alone in that conspiracy coach. For the moment, it's whatever you think it is... to you.

Tom-

The L.A. piece was an opinion column, not from someone on a campaign staff. But none-the-less to reiterate my opening statement, "let me be the first to say that had this been a well known Republican, every Democrat would had been calling for the culprit's head."

latest news...

ferraro is leaving the campaign.

still... is the "guilt trip" of voting for him over her going to have staying power? is the fact that ferraro, a woman of historic prominence, is leaving the scene going to play into clintons favor, instead of against her?

again... while i think shes losing it all... she still in the hunt... so maybe shes smarter than my dumb arse.


Hillary knew the score and didn't want more negative flack costing her. I've lost count of how many people she's either fired or resigned during the campaign. After the South Carolina debacle I'd bet Bill is still sore.

You guys really are sh1tting yourselves at the thought of a black man being president aren't you? You won't admit it but deep down you know its true.

Why do you have a problem with people being inspired by a man? Why do you have such a problem that people are tired of the boring old white guy? I suppose that's because most of you are boring old white guys ;)

Uhm.

Who ja talking to?

Personally, I think they are all screwups who won't address the real needs of the nation.

uhm.

who ja talking to?

personally, i think they are all screwups who wont address the real needs of the nation.

Not you kp!

Hillary knew the score and didn't want more negative flack costing her. I've lost count of how many people she's either fired or resigned during the campaign. After the South Carolina debacle I'd bet Bill is still sore.

And yet she is still in it.

For all the seemingly awful campaign gaffs... she's still right there.

Like I said... there have been many, many times when I've thought she was self destructing... when it was all imploding like a black hole, with no way to stop it.

Guess what?

She's still here.

Say all you want about firings and all the noise around her, she's still here and still can win a majority.

So... I'm changing course. I've been telling my wife that her campaign is in shambles and is flailing left and right just to stay above water.

Now I'm not so sure. Maybe she's a helluva lot smarter than I think. Sacrificing ferraro might seen like a blow... but will it draw in enough residual sympathy to stave off obama?

Again... talk momentum all you want... she's still in the game.

You guys really are sh1tting yourselves at the thought of a black man being president arent you? You wont admit it but deep down you know its true.

Why do you have a problem with people being inspired by a man? Why do you have such a problem that people are tired of the boring old white guy? I suppose thats because most of you are boring old white guys ;)
Naw…it has nothing to do with color…it’s about politics.


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Skell-

KP has a good point. The Republicans found out in the nineties that there are no easy victories over the Clinton's. Bill Clinton was known as the "Teflon President" because nothing seemed to stick and Hillary has inherited the mantle. Your right there is a lot of jealousy concerning the success of Barack Obama. Barack is one of the best communicators since Ronald Reagan and that has helped keep the Clinton's at bay thus far.


PS. DC has a cyberspace infection, otherwise harmless.

Skell-

KP has a good point. The Republicans found out in the nineties that there are no easy victories over the Clinton's. Bill Clinton was known as the Teflon President because nothing seemed to stick and Hillary has inherited the mantle. Your right there is a lot of jealousy concerning the success of Barack Obama. Barack is one of the best communicators since Ronald Reagan and that has helped keep the Clinton's at bay thus far.


PS. DC has a cyberspace infection, otherwise harmless.

Good points.

Right now the US needs a good communicator to get out of the ever worsening predicaments Mr Bush has placed you in. And I know it isn't words alone that do this, but words do have more power than these guys would have you believe.

Here was Andrew Sullivan's case for the Obama Presidency in Atlantic Magazine




What does he offer? First and foremost: his face. Think of it as the most effective potential re-branding of the United States since Reagan. Such a re-branding is not trivial—it's central to an effective war strategy. The war on Islamist terror, after all, is two-pronged: a function of both hard power and soft power. We have seen the potential of hard power in removing the Taliban and Saddam Hussein. We have also seen its inherent weaknesses in Iraq, and its profound limitations in winning a long war against radical Islam. The next president has to create a sophisticated and supple blend of soft and hard power to isolate the enemy, to fight where necessary, but also to create an ideological template that works to the West's advantage over the long haul. There is simply no other candidate with the potential of Obama to do this. Which is where his face comes in.
Consider this hypothetical. It's November 2008. A young Pakistani Muslim is watching television and sees that this man—Barack Hussein Obama—is the new face of America. In one simple image, America's soft power has been ratcheted up not a notch, but a logarithm. A brown-skinned man whose father was an African, who grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii, who attended a majority-Muslim school as a boy, is now the alleged enemy. If you wanted the crudest but most effective weapon against the demonization of America that fuels Islamist ideology, Obama's face gets close. It proves them wrong about what America is in ways no words can.

Goodbye to All That: Why Obama Matters (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712/obama)
See?? Some of Obama's biggest supporters think that first and foremost his face is his greatest qualification . He would not be the embodiment of post-racial America. One of his biggest supporters in one of America's most prestigious publications says that the symbolism of the Obama campaign is it's greatest asset .

Here's more fro that article:

But Obama's reach outside his own ranks remains striking. Why? It's a good question: How has a black, urban liberal gained far stronger support among Republicans than the made-over moderate Clinton or the southern charmer Edwards? Perhaps because the Republicans and independents who are open to an Obama candidacy see his primary advantage in prosecuting the war on Islamist terrorism. It isn't about his policies as such; it is about his person. They are prepared to set their own ideological preferences to one side in favor of what Obama offers America in a critical moment in our dealings with the rest of the world. The war today matters enormously. The war of the last generation? Not so much. If you are an American who yearns to finally get beyond the symbolic battles of the Boomer generation and face today's actual problems, Obama may be your man.But you chose your text and to bold the Hussein and brown skin parts of the text. Very telling.

Here was the Christmas Eve sermon of Rev Jeramiah Wright ;a key Obama supporter on why his congregation should vote for Obama over Evita :

He began with making a reference to the white Romans crucifying Jesus..


“Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people,” ...“Hillary would never know that.... “Hillary ain't never been called a n*gger. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”......

“Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain't! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty."

Obama has yet to disavow his relationship or admiration of Rev. Wright.

NK yes I did ,even your selected quote is about symbolism and not substance.

NK yes I did ,even your selected quote is about symbolism and not substance.McSame suffers the same fate I guess. Keep attacking Barack, it certainly is your style. It makes to difference to the real voters out there.

here was Andrew Sullivan's case for the Obama Presidency in Atlantic Magazine

You're wasting your breath tom, I've already posted that part of Sullivan's quote and many others. According to many of his supporters his race indeed was a crucial part of the reasoning to elect him until Ferraro opened her mouth and Obama fired back.

You guys really are sh1tting yourselves at the thought of a black man being president arent you? You wont admit it but deep down you know its true.

Why do you have a problem with people being inspired by a man? Why do you have such a problem that people are tired of the boring old white guy? I suppose thats because most of you are boring old white guys ;)

Skell, I honestly have no idea who you're referring to as I have not seen ANYONE on these boards show any concern over a black man being president except for the one who was worried he would be assassinated.

The fact is those of us who AREN'T Obama supporters are not the ones making race an issue, everyone else is. As I've shown and tom has shown Obama supporters have made race an issue. Obama himself has made race an issue. The Clintons have made race an issue. And now we have 2 democrats fighting amongst themselves over who turned this into a racial issue.

It ain't us "boring old white guys" making race an issue, it is those in that progressive bastion of racial harmony, the Democratic Party. Let's give credit where credit is due ;)

I think her and many other peoples problem with Obama is he will not say what he really stands for and he has been connected to racism and anti-American things.
I am glad he is defeating Hillary but him AND McCain scare me equally.
From what I heard that she meant by the comment is that his charisma and race IS the only thing people seem to be going by and not his politics.

I think her and many other peoples problem with Obama is he will not say what he really stands for
Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Issues (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/)



and he has been connected to racism and anti-American things. I believe all candidates are suffering from that.

I am glad he is defeating Hillary Obama increases lead in delegate count - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/12/dems.delegates/index.html?iref=mpstoryview)
"Sen. Barack Obama widened his lead over Sen. Hillary Clinton in the overall delegate count..."

His view on net neutrality which is crucial to the free flow of information:

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"Sen. Barack Obama widened his lead over Sen. Hillary Clinton in the overall delegate count..."

I loved how now that Hillary is crying about being so behind she now wants the votes that she said she didn't care about. She is crying foul and there are only two choices make them count or redo the whole process and
Obama said no there is a third stick to your word.

:D

It's pathetically amusing to hear those who believe race should not be an issue in the primaries; that is no more than the utopian belief of the Left that society can be shaped to perfection. Race is an issue and it ought to be; to do otherwise is an attempt to suppress the great strides towards equal rights for Black people in this country. We should be celebrating that fact in unison rather than allowing the “Race Red Herring” which is used as a diversion from the fact that with liberals in power, no one's rights are safe.

that is no more than the utopian belief of the Left that society can be shaped to perfection. C'mon, no one believes that. Quit making stuff up.

The irony is THEY are making it a gender/race issue themselves AND THEY are the Democrats that claim THEY know no color/gender when it comes to equality.

"They" is pretty much his opposition - Clinton and her cohorts. Par for the course in mud slinging politics.

C'mon, no one believes that. Quit making stuff up.
Equality is a Leftist Marxist banner that is heralded as its goal; to suggest that it is not utopian is naïve. Liberty is a realistic goal that is in direct opposition to equality.

I don't think the american liberals are advocating marxist communism.

I don't think the american liberals are advocating marxist communism.
I don’t either, what they advocate is democratic socialism…the equality of all people, rather than equal rights; still a Marxist philosophy.

Ithe equality of all people, rather than equal rightsSorry mate, they aren't mutually exclusive.

Sorry mate, they aren't mutually exclusive.
Sure they are, equality necessarily restricts liberty.

I agree DC
Because if you notice what our society is pushing for is not having a say or a choice in things.
All these new laws they are just passing and things they are doing it is so that when it is all said and done we are unable to say or do anything.

The Nazi Model For Outcome-Based Education (http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/tnmfobe1196.html)

That link's model can be applied to indoctrinating children into religion.
Geez, I'm loving my country more and more.

Sure they are, equality necessarily restricts liberty.
Hello DC:

I never know where you're coming from.

According to our law, everybody is ALREADY equal. We don't need other proclamations or laws or supreme court rulings to make it so. It just is.

If we did, you could assume that somebody wasn't acting in that vein, and they needed a little incentive to do so. In other words, somebody wasn't treating somebody else equally.

How could correcting that error restrict somebody else's freedom? Oh, it could limit the guy's freedom who is treating somebody else unequally, but he doesn't have the "liberty" to do that, and of course, it SHOULD be restricted.

My liberty ends at your nose. Do you understand what that says?

excon

Hello DC:



My liberty ends at your nose. Do you understand what that says?

excon
Hi there excon.

Sure, I understand what that means…it means you confuse equality with equal rights. But then a lot of people do. Affirmative action here, which in Europe is also alternatively known as positive discrimination is one example of someone’s equal rights being suppressed.

We don't have affirmative action in Canada, any other examples?

Canadian example of Affirmative action:
Average Canadian has to wait two years for surgery. Dies in the wait.
Overweight smoker needs surgery told even though they paid all the health tax and $92.00 a month for their health coverage since they are overweight and smoke they are not eligible for this particular surgery.
Junkie: free needles
Diabetic: has to pay for needles
Sports figure or politician: Bumped up on long list for quick surgery

Those aren't examples of affirmative action. Plus they don't represent our medical practices at all.

We don't have affirmative action in Canada, any other examples?
I don’t know anything about Canada, and really don’t care. :)

I would be interested in a real representation then since I have heard many Canadians themselves saying that it is worse than we are told here.
Affirmative action means somebody else getting preferential treatment over others.

Maybe my example wasn't that great but I don't know what example would exactly explain it.

My sister is a Master's of Nursing, her husband is a doctor (GP) and they live and work in Boston mainly for the money. I hear what they say and I'd still rather by where I am. I can't imagine being without health care in the U.S. or having to fight an insurance company so I don't go bankrupt from a broken leg.

If you are without health care you can apply for health grants like Hill Burton and Chips.
You can buy your own health care which isn't all that much compared to what our government would charge if they mandate us to get it.
You can make payments, find clinics.
The HMO's are a mess but you still get your care if you go for it.
I haven't had health coverage in almost 10 years cause I choose not to.

A Canadian just the other day posted HERE that the health care IS really bad there.

I just did a quick Google search for: Canadian example of Affirmative action

There were several hundred links; apparently you are missing something going on there.

Yup I must be.

here was Andrew Sullivan's case for the Obama Presidency in Atlantic Magazine


Goodbye to All That: Why Obama Matters (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712/obama)
See ??? Some of Obama's biggest supporters think that first and foremost his face is his greatest qualification . He would not be the embodiment of post-racial America. One of his biggest supporters in one of America's most prestigious publications says that the symbolism of the Obama campaign is it's greatest asset .


Tom-

Nope, not even close. Ferraro was not complimenting nor was she supporting Obama, Sullivan was. To put this in perspective, if, and I do mean (since she's pulled similar stunts before) "if,"Ferraro would had complimented on Barack for his multi-ethnicity/racial make-up, being the right person to take on the task of presidency at time when the face of America has sorely been lacking diplomacy, it would had never came to issue. But that's not what happened. She made it absolutely clear that his candidacy was based on skin color that resulted from being lucky. She actually perpetuated two offences: first her racist remark and secondly the blatant dismissal of his civil law, senator experience, and superior educated communication skills, i.e. Ronald Reagan. Obama, took the highroad in hoping to keep Democratic party dissension to a minimum and shrugged off the racial indication part. It's a challenge dealing with the Clinton's campaign shenanigans, as the Republicans very well remember.

It's pathetically amusing to hear those who believe race should not be an issue in the primaries.

Wow-wow-wee! I agree with DC. Moshiach must be coming soon! :rolleyes: The challenge to overcome differences is an intricate part of living in the United States. We are the melting pot, a blend, or stir-fry, a nation that's made up of many people: cultures, ethnicity, and races. What most people are concerned about is negative racism and divisiveness.

If I remember correctly Hillary made it about race with her comments months ago.

OK so let me see if I get it . It is OK to bring up matters of race if you are his supporter (see comments from Sullivan and Rev Wright ) ;but not if you do not support him . I can tell you that there is not a racist bone in Gerry Ferraro's body. She has a long history of supporting a diverse constituency.

I think we have to get past the PC restrictions we build to honestly discuss race. It is no secret that a big part of his appeal is his color to his supporters. (see Joe Biden's comments) . There is nothing wrong with that is there ? Wasn't this exactly what affirmative action was supposed to accomplish ?

Be honest ;do you really think he would've been the keynote speaker at the 2004 convention if he was a white State Senator from Chicago ? Hey give him credit ;he has made the most of his opportunities .But the fact is that the Democrats have longed for someone like Obama to come along to hitch their wagon to. If it wasn't for the fact that they have a woman running against him it wouldn't even be close. Identity politics is a Democrat thing.

I hope the black guy wins so he can overcome his challenges. Everyone should vote for the black guy.

Branch Rickey of the Brooklyn Dodgers understood that to break the race barrier in baseball he had to field a black player who could at least play at the major league level. He went even further and selected as the first black player a man who's skill and ability were unquestionable. Obama has not demonstrated that he has what it takes to be the President of the United States . I'll vote for the person who has best demonstrated it through years of service... not two novices who's greatest asset is their race or gender.

Obama has not demonstrated that he has what it takes to be the President of the United States . I'll vote for the person who has best demonstrated it through years of service .....not two novices who's greatest asset is their race or gender.That's your opinion. There are millions who differ with you. A change is need for sure, not the McSame or Hillary.

Sad thing is I don't believe he wants support based on race... sure, he's glad to be getting black support in the south and urban areas... but this infighting about race and gender... I really don't think it comes from him at all.

I'm not crazy about him (or any of the candidates), but I think when race and gender have popped up, its been because someone on clintons side whines about it.

Bill, several months ago, reaches out for sympathy stating he can't change his wife, that she isn't young and male... thereby pushing the female guilt button. Guess what? She's been gaining strength in that area after obama had been eroding that base slowly.

Now... ferraro throws this noise in the mix. Don't think that its not going to echo through some voters minds? I have a smart wife... sharp as nails... but she once said, half sarcastically, but also in frustration "any woman in the white house is better than a man right now"...

To which I said "wow! really? ...reverse sexism?"

Her reply "i dont care. break down the wall. theres sexism now. if youre going to fight bare fisted, why shouldnt i?"

So I get her point... we all have heard people (some guy) make noise about a female in charge. And the refreshing thing about this campaign is, like the candidates or not, I think the gender/race issues hasn't been much of a front page issue.. at least in terms of being trumpeted out in front until a story like ferraro comes along.

I think a number of obama supporters are voting for him just as often for his being dynamic, charismatic, young, and idealistic.

Getting off track... my point about the discussion with my wife about a female commander in chief is that some element of "need to vote for my sister in arms" is, and was, present. Its like gender pressure, whether you are a woman or a man. Some will support her, in part, for that cause.

Ferarro might be off the campaign officially, but now she's a prominent female "marytr" for the campaign who can say what she wants. This will likely infuriate the base obama has built, but maybe gender guilt will echo through enough undecideds to make a difference.

but I think when race and gender have popped up, its been because someone on clintons side whines about it.

Yeah Hillary's a " monster " isn't she ?

None of this is new . What Rev Jeremiah Wright has said is just regurgitation of stuff Noam Chomsky or Ward Churchill has said previously... or what Hillary and Obama secretely think even if they don't say it themselves (that is what they have expendable people like Adelfa Callejo and Samantha Power around for ) .

I love it that this house of sticks the Democrats constructed is falling down on them . They love it that everyone is a hyphenated-American and wonder when the parts of the whole return to their sphere when matters of power are in play.

Stay in line Obama . First we were supposed to get the first female President ;then the first black President ;then the first Hispanic ,Jewish,gay ,Presidents etc.

Stay in line Obama . First we were supposed to get the first female President ;then the first black President ;then the first Hispanic ,Jewish,gay ,Presidents etc.

I thought we already had the first black president. I think the show the Dems are putting on his hilarious. It was just a year and a half ago they were supposedly so united, had come together in a unified bid to take over congress. They've virtually spoken as one voice using the same talking points and now they have to choose between two historic options while simultaneously erasing the very social consciousnesses they stand for.

For months we've heard from his supporters how race is very much one of the reasons to elect Obama, that Mr. Diversity himself is going to unite and offer the bridge to healing all the racial divides among us. Or that Hillary is chipping away at the glass ceiling, I am Woman, Hear Me Roar!

Now we have black pastors spouting anti-American rhetoric and preaching Obama knows what it's like to be a black man in a world run by rich white people. We have liberal trailblazers who are anything but racist being ostracized for "injecting racism" into the campaign and feminist icons saying "A majority of Americans want redemption for racism, for our terrible destructive racist past and so see a vote for Obama as redemptive."

I've heard it suggested that Pelosi would be entirely unhappy with a female president taking the spotlight away from her. Will we get a Pelosi endorsement of Obama soon and watch the cat fight begin? She almost did in January:


"The buzz in the speaker's office Monday was not about Bush's address, but about Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy's fiery speech earlier endorsing Democrat Barack Obama... 'Did you ever see anything like that?' asked Pelosi. 'Transferring the mantle from John F. Kennedy to Barack Obama. It was the most stunning thing. I mean, I couldn't take my eyes off it. And I didn't have any time to sit there and watch TV, you know - we had a whole schedule. I just was mesmerized by it.'

Al Sharpton ready to march on Florida - all those disenfranchised voters there and in Michigan. What to do, what to do?

What to do, what to do?You're doing your bit here however fruitless it is. The american public however is doing something else.

You're doing your bit here however fruitless it is. The american public however is doing something else.

What is it the american public is doing that is something else?

I know the candidates ARE doing their own thing rather than the
By the people, for the people

Someone said a couple months ago that the in-fighting that the Dems were going to start doing over the first lady vs first black pres. Was going to reveal their true tolerance they preach.

what is it the american public is doing that is something else? Enjoying that candidate instead of tearing him down daily.



Someone said a couple months ago that the in-fighting that the Dems were going to start doing over the first lady vs first black pres. was going to reveal their true tolerance they preach.I think people are indeed quite ashamed of Clinton's tactics.

Enjoying that candidate instead of tearing him down daily.

I think people are indeed quite ashamed of Clinton's tactics.

When it comes to Clinton vs Obama
I say GO OBOMA GET THAT ________

When it comes to Clinton Obama McCain
All I can say is Woe is USA!

Agreed!

Wow-wow-wee! I agree with DC. Moshiach must be coming soon! :rolleyes: The challenge to overcome differences is an intricate part of living in the United States. We are the melting pot, a blend, or stir-fry, a nation that's made up of many people: cultures, ethnicity, and races. What most people are concerned about is negative racism and divisiveness.
Good Gracious, the lord has provided another child with a sliver of light:) …praise God. I’ll be praying for you.

You're doing your bit here however fruitless it is. The american public however is doing something else.

Fruitless? LOL, Obama is finally getting the scrutiny he deserves over the issues raised in the blogosphere and elsewhere and the media can no longer ignore it.You guys seem to think only Republican candidates - or now Hillary - deserve to have every pore of their being scrutinized. Obama supporters hopes of him sliding by are now gone, he's going to have to do more than change the subject now. So regardless of what the American people are (or were) doing they're now going to have to consider the negatives - and rightly so.

I've been entirely fair to Obama, I've defended him repeatedly on these boards against the slimy attacks on his secretly being a Muslim and being unpatriotic and said I like the guy. But, I'm not going to let him get by without the scrutiny that's appropriate for someone aspiring to be the next president. We aren't electing a cheerleader, we're electing someone to run the country. If you want a cheerleader for your country great, but I want someone that does more than inspire.

Steve
P.S. If that's the only response to my arguments and the evidence you seem to be able to muster then my efforts have been a smashing success. :D

Scrutiny is a perfect word and they ALL need it to the max and then some! :D

“The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. a mentor and friend to Sen. Barack Obama for 20 years, in a recent sermon shouted: "God damn America" for its history of slavery, racism and oppression against its black citizens.

Mr. Wright — who baptized Mr. Obama at the Trinity United Church of Christ, presided over his wedding there and inspired him in his career as a community activist and a politician — has been a lightning rod for the campaign from the very beginning.

When Mr. Obama announced his candidacy for president, Mr. Wright, who is also a member of Mr. Obama's National African American Religious Leadership Committee, was asked not to appear because of his "black power" social views, which many have criticized as separatist, forcing Mr. Obama to distance himself from his home pastor.”

Obama keeps pastor at a distance - - The Washington Times, America's Newspaper (http://washingtontimes.com/article/20080314/NATION/729484602/0/metro)

I can't help wondering whether the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr and some of his Black activist parishioners feel betrayed or if Obama is flying false colors.

Obama wanted and apology from Ferraro; but I don't hear a cry for an apology from Wright.

Is this just another double standard by the democrats?

Yes it is . Not only that ,the Dems charge that when people like Wright ,Wiilam Ayers and the Rezkos are mentioned that the Obama opposition is playing a game of guilt by association . When Obama is asked about Wright he flippantly says things like Wright is like “an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with” .

But that answer just should not satisfy an inquisitive press. Obama has had a 20 year relationship with this pastor and at times has been called by Obama his spiritual mentor ;an inspriation for his book . He wed the Obamas and Obama has been a heavy contributor to the church.

The slew of controversial statements by the pastor should be answered by Obama whether he agrees with the content or not . If not he shoud disavow the comments and say specifically that he doesn't think God should damn America ,that 9-11 was the chickens coming home to roost ;that Clinton was not doing to the black community what he was doing to Monica... the dirty. (to name only a few ) .

Obama sat through sermons by Wright for 20 years and I'm sure the ones detailed are just the appetizers to the content of this preachers racists screeds . Yet Obama continued to attend and support this church... why ? What part of Wrights ideology is consitent with Obama's positions and which aren't ?

He should detail his long friendship with Weatherman William Ayers and denounce his 9-11 statement that claimed Ayers participation in the bombing of the Pentagon and Police Headquarters. What part of Ayer's actions does Obama support and which does he condemn ?

If this isn't a wake up call to the voting electorate then I don't know what is. Barack - please explain how you, in your right mind, can allow your children to witness and hear his blasphemous statements, please explain how this ongoing relationship shows good judgment on your part, and please explain why I shouldn't let this sway my opinion as to your judgment and ability to lead this great nation.

I suppose he wants us to believe…"I didn't inhale"?

What do you think would happed is if Hillary defended David Duke?

And to know that you are affiliated with a church that uses race in its message is not the "change" our country needs. "Change" would be you standing up for the Christian beliefs and that would represent a God or higher power, depending on your belief, that did not judge you based on your color or gender.

Obama is in real trouble here. The fact that he respects this man is very damning for his career. I love how all the Obama lovers think this is not news. Oh but Geraldine Ferraro is still in the news for what she said.

Obama is in real trouble here. The fact that he respects this man is very damning for his career. I love how all the Obama lovers think this is not news. Oh but Geraldine Ferraro is still in the news for what she said.

No, he's not. He's not responsible for Wright. If this is news, it shows how desperate the contenders are getting. And Ferraro made a good point, but said it very badly.

Certainly he is not responsible for Wright, and I have not read where anyone thinks so.

Black liberation theology is central to Trinity United Church of Christ and to Obama so that is the real issue that the News will be getting to in the future. It's (liberation theology) a Marxist theory of re-distribution of wealth. It has been a failure in South America and I certainly hope it is in the U.S...

Obama wanted and apology from Ferraro; but I don't hear a cry for an apology from Wright.

Is this just another double standard by the democrats?


Maybe if Hillary gets the nomination she can ask Geraldine back on the staff to run for VP.;) That would be the best news to date for the Obama campaign! W-r-i-g-h-t... supporter of Obama. Th Obama/Wright relationship is old ground that I went over a few threads back. F-e-r-r-a-r-o... was on campaign fund raising committee for Clinton; campaign staff! Anybody, not just Obama or his supporters, but die-hard Republicans as well, understand Ferraro's admitting wrong would compromise her pompous ego. I don't even think Rush would be this blind to the fact, although Obama's a Democrat. Anyone not legitimately seeing the difference is probably wishing for a McCain presidency.:) Barack knows he's not getting an apology out of her. He's putting Geraldine on the spot just to make Hillary pay for another one of her campaign shenanigans. Starting some twenty-four years ago we learned that in Ferraro's lifetime she will never find a "black" person that's not lucky.

Tom-

We could keep a spectrum of views alive on this issue for weeks, perhaps months. I have a fair idea where you stand and obviously I've made clear my position from the subject headline. There's a lot of time left between now and the general election in November. Maybe we can revisit this issue several times before then. It's been a joy discussing the subject with everyone. I have some things to catch up on before Shabbos.

Certainly he is not responsible for Wright, and I have not read where anyone thinks so.

Responsible for? no.

But if you attend his services for 20 years... call him your spiritual advisor... there's a more intimate connection there.

Not an obama supporter or hater here... just think in a tight race, little things can make a big difference. He should have distanced himself long, long ago. Now... it seems like a campaign move.