Move over Larry Craig, there's a new "Sheriff of Wall Street" in town...


Gov. Eliot Spitzer has informed his most senior administration officials that he had been involved in a prostitution ring, an administration official said this morning.

Mr. Spitzer, who was huddled with his top aides inside his Fifth Avenue apartment early this afternoon, had hours earlier abruptly canceled his scheduled public events for the day. He had scheduled an announcement for 2:15 this afternoon after inquiries from the Times. But his appearance was delayed by at least 45 minutes.

Mr. Spitzer, a first-term Democrat who pledged to bring ethics reform and end the often seamy ways of Albany, is married with three children.

Just last week, federal prosecutors arrested four people in connection with an expensive prostitution operation. Administration officials would not say that this was the ring with which the governor had become involved.

But a person with knowledge of the governor's role said that the person believes the governor is one of the men identified as clients in court papers.

The governor's travel records show that he was in Washington in mid-February. One of the clients described in court papers arranged to meet with a prostitute who was part of the ring, the Emperors Club VIP on the night of Feb. 13.

Mr. Spitzer appeared on a CNBC television show at 7 a.m. the next morning. Later in the morning, he testified before a Congressional committee.

An affidavit filed in federal court in Manhattan in connection with that case lists six conversations between the man, identified as Client 9, and a booking agent for the Emperors Club.

He had a difficult first year in office, rocked by a mix of scandal and legislative setbacks. In recent weeks, however, Mr. Spitzer seemed to have rebounded, with his Democratic party poised to perhaps gain control of the state Senate for the first time in four decades.

Mr. Spitzer gained national attention when he served as attorney general with his relentless pursuit of Wall Street wrongdoing. As attorney general, he also had prosecuted at least two prostitution rings as head of the state's organized crime task force.

In one such case in 2004, Mr. Spitzer spoke with revulsion and anger after announcing the arrest of 16 people for operating a high-end prostitution ring out of Staten Island.

“”This was a sophisticated and lucrative operation with a multitiered management structure,” Mr. Spitzer said at the time. ”It was, however, nothing more than a prostitution ring.”

It appears he may have the decency to resign. If he does resign will he still be a superdelegate? Ain't it ironic, the governor client of a very expensive prostitution ring endorsing the wife of the "first philanderer?"

Sorry, forgot the link. Here is the link to the updated NY Times article (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/nyregion/10cnd-spitzer.html?bl&ex=1205294400&en=23ba9f83b5ade3e6&ei=5087%0A).

Wonder how he could afford this luxury, being a poor public servant?

Apparently it's easier if you come from a wealthy family (http://www.slate.com/id/2108509/).

Yeah…more double standards from the left:p

It's sure making it harder for the Dems to wage their campaign against the "Republican culture of corruption."

It's sure making it harder for the Dems to wage their campaign against the "Republican culture of corruption."
And the GOP needs all the help it can get. Couldn't 've come from a better guy in a better state. All hail the Queen.

Wonder if he F~n steam-rolled her ?

This isn't in league with Craig. This is a violation of the MANN ACT .Craig's manhood is questionable at best .

Spitzer's resignation cannot come fast enough. But in all fairness he did keep his promises. NY government did change "from day One" ;it got notably worse .(note simularity to Evita's campaign theme)

Evita should dump him like a hot potato . He has been nothing but bad news for her campaign. She gave Obama the big momentum when she tried to justify and then fumbled her rationale about his executive order issuing licenses to illegal alien schemes. It was so unpopular even the f~n steamroller had to back down .

Typically these sexual things while grezzy are the least of the things we have to be concerned about his reign. He has already illegally tried to frame State Sen. Majority leader Joe Bruno with forged police documents. One has to wonder how often he employed similar tactics in his duties as State Att . General ? Speaking of that ;you would think that a former prosecutor of prostitution rings would know someone was watching . And this of course just begs the question... what were they really looking for ? It is just not likely that a judge would authorize a tap of a sitting Guv over suspicion that he is a client of a prostitute ring.

[EDIT] Found this today... the Feds were suspicious of large $$ transfers he made... ABC News: It Wasn't the Sex; Suspicious $$ Transfers Led to Spitzer (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4424507&page=1)
I guess $4500 a shot sure looked like he had been caught up in a bribe situation. But I don't buy it... He is a rich fat cat . $4500 is chump pocket change for him.

Flashback :


"This was a sophisticated and lucrative operation with a multi-tiered management structure," Spitzer said. "It was, however, nothing more than a prostitution ring, and now its owners and operators will be held accountable."
(Spitzer's 2004 announcement of breaking up a prostitution ring)
Operators of "Escort Services" Indicted (http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2004/apr/apr7a_04.html)





Ain't it ironic, the governor client of a very expensive prostitution ring endorsing the wife of the "first philanderer?"

And you would think that Evita would stop surrounding herself with men who can't keep their dip stick in their pants.Can't wait to see how she responds to the press asking about politicians who cheat on their wives.

I'm not surprised, but then again I live in Vegas. We were laughing about this in the office today. One of my peers mentioned that it was a prostitute costing 5K. If this is factual then Spitzer should resign on the basis of economic irresponsibility. In Vegas we have "Julie Roberts" level call girls for less than 2K. He not only broke the law, he found the girl with the golden tuchus.

I did not vote for Spitzer, though I generally vote Democratic. I felt Spitzer was a hypocrite. He personally cost me almost $20K. I work for a subsidiary of one of the companies he targeted. The result was an almost 50% decline in the stock value and a nearly $20K drop in my 401K

He kept saying he was out to protect the average person, but the only tangible result was a hit against the stockholders.

Maybe it was his idea of trying to help the economy? And if you think about it in the right context, he may have unintentionally made a great investment since he is still getting himself screwed as a result.

Yeah…more double standards from the left:pHello DC:

Wrong again. It's the Republicans who don't like sex. Democrats think it's cool.

excon

Hello DC:

Wrong again. It's the Republicans who don't like sex. Democrats think it's cool.

excon
$4,500 per pop worth of cool at that.

ScottGem


Most of his corporate take downs were shake down schemes to generate revenue for the state . For you I say Merry Spitzmas !

ScottGem


most of his corporate take downs were shake down schemes to generate revenue for the state . For you I say Merry Spitzmas !

That and his own ego. I always felt he was more interested in his own rep than serving the taxpayers.

Hello DC:

Wrong again. It's the Republicans who don't like sex. Democrats think it's cool.

:eek: I like sex

wonder if he F~n steam-rolled her ?[/URL]

Looks like Spitzer F~n steam-rolled himself according to the update you gave.

[QUOTE]"We had no interest at all in the prostitution ring until the thing with Spitzer led us to learn about it," said one Justice Department official.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. At least he didn't just keep the cash for his rendezvous in a freezer.


And you would think that Evita would stop surrounding herself with men who can't keep their dip stick in their pants.Can't wait to see how she responds to the press asking about politicians who cheat on their wives.

I'm thinking this may help Hillary even if she loses a superdelegate vote... that female solidarity thing could take another upswing.

I did not vote for Spitzer, though I generally vote Democratic. I felt Spitzer was a hypocrite. He personally cost me almost $20K. I work for a subsidiary of one of the companies he targeted. The result was an almost 50% decline in the stock value and a nearly $20K drop in my 401K

He kept saying he was out to protect the average person, but the only tangible result was a hit against the stockholders.

Like this from Walter Olson at NRO?


If early reports are right, it’s not the Mann Act angle (arranging for the girl to cross state lines) that’s captured the attention of federal investigators so much as the money angle (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NzVjMjVjN2IzZjI4ZDRiMGQ1N2Y2YzAzMDBkNDFiZDc=). In particular, the probers are said to be looking at what are known as “structuring” charges against Spitzer, based on the possibility that he subdivided or mislabeled cash transfers so as to evade bank reporting requirements or other scrutiny. Part of what makes these laws powerful is that prosecutors can obtain convictions without having to prove that illegal underlying transactions generated the money flow — though of course Spitzer can’t stake out even that ground for sympathy. Structuring offenses, which carry in this case a potential penalty of five years behind bars, are a relatively recent addition to the law, the main federal statute dating only to 1986. And — here’s the live-by-the-sword part — Congress enacted that law as part of the steady expansion of new powers accorded prosecutors to go after white-collar (as well as Drug War) defendants who it was feared would get off if prosecuted by traditional means. In other words, the structuring statute was part of the ever more ferocious treatment of business and economic offenses in American law that might be termed, after its best-known practitioner, Spitzerization.

That’s not the only irony that’s come back to haunt the guv. As prosecutor, part of Spitzer’s distinctively relentless style was to demand the decapitation of large organizations by the firing of their CEOs, even in the face of arguments that such steps presumptively punished the execs without a trial and might badly disrupt the enterprises they led. The arch example is Spitzer’s vendetta against Hank Greenberg of American International Group (AIG), without peer the most highly regarded executive in the insurance sector over the past half century. AIG, long known as three steps ahead of its industry and a huge asset to American business presence and prestige abroad, has now entered a tailspin without Greenberg, destroying billions and billions in value for shareholders and others, even as the charges against its former chieftain have mostly wilted on the vine. On a smaller but still significant scale, Spitzer forced Marsh, the biggest insurance broker, to oust its CEO, which it replaced with an old crony of Spitzer’s; that didn’t work out either, and further fortunes were lost.

Spitzer’s logic was that “imperial” CEOs — he did much to popularize the phrase — had come to feel they were above the law, and that all talk of forgiveness for momentary lapses in judgment, of deference to uniquely valuable skill sets, and even of basic old-fashioned due process for the accused, were but excuses proffered by these grasping moguls in hopes of holding onto their power and pelf indefinitely. One wonders whether Spitzer has come today to rethink those sentiments.

Like this from Walter Olson at NRO?

Bingo!!

Hello again:

I don't know. I have this sinking feeling that we're paying too much attention to politician's crotches and not their policies. It's true, when things are slow, it's kind of fun talking dirty.

But, things ain't slow, and I'm afraid we're diddling while Rome is burning.

excon

PS> That's right. I don't care about Republican crotches either.

Hello again:

I dunno. I have this sinking feeling that we're paying too much attention to politician’s crotches and not their policies. It's true, when things are slow, it's kinda fun talking dirty.

But, things ain't slow, and I'm afraid we're diddling while Rome is burning.

excon

PS> That's right. I don't care about Republican crotches either.

Ex,

Al Sharpton had the same problem seeing what the big deal is this morning. It ain't about the sex, it's about the unbelievable hypocrisy of a guy that has arrogantly positioned himself as the über-ethical white knight stamping out corruption. Mr Clean himself is not only hiring pricey prostitutes after prosecuting such rings, he has allegedly violated a federal law I'm sure he is intimately familiar with, "structuring" banking transactions to conceal their intent and avoid scrutiny.

Besides that, don't you find the exploitation of women in this manner - prostitution rings - a little disturbing?

Being a pastor and screwing your male meth dealer (http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/03/haggard.allegations/index.html) is disturbing as well. Lots of disturbing stuff around big fella.

Hello again, Steve:

You point out the reasons we should get rid of all these peephole laws. Because we know, that everybody is going to break them - cause everybody likes to screw.

So, we can get rid of the politicians, or we can get rid of the traps.

If it were left to me, I don't want politicains who don't diddle. It ain't natural.

excon

Larry Craig must be the smarter of the two; he gets for free what Spitzer pays four grand for. :D

Hello again, DC:

So, you can't distinguish between a beautiful, young, sophisticated, 5' 5", 105 lb knockout chick, from a scum bag, bum, DUDE hanging around a mens toilet?

Please, don't ever ask me out to dinner.

excon

Shame on you Excon, you’re confusing anticipation with satisfaction. Larry Craig apparently didn’t need the ‘anticipation,’ just the satisfaction. While Spitzer pays four grand for ‘anticipation.’ There is however something to be said for ‘A meal well prepared.’:D

You don't think Larry planned to look for a gay sex partner in the men's room? You believe that it was all a "wide-stance" mistake?

Being a pastor and screwing your male meth dealer (http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/03/haggard.allegations/index.html) is disturbing as well. Lots of disturbing stuff around big fella.

It is disturbing, but I'm not talking about Haggard. Perhaps you'll eventually address the issues I raise instead of deflecting to something else, eh?

DC makes a good point about expectations :

From the 'Movie Stanger than fiction"
Dr. Jules Hilbert (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000163/): Hell Harold, you could just eat nothing but pancakes if you wanted.
Harold Crick (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002071/): What is wrong with you? Hey, I don't want to eat nothing but pancakes, I want to live! I mean, who in their right mind in a choice between pancakes and living chooses pancakes?
Dr. Jules Hilbert (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000163/): Harold, if you pause to think, you'd realize that that answer is inextricably contingent upon the type of life being led... and, of course, the quality of the pancakes.

Excon .Does it not matter that most prostitutes are not really doing their job by choice ? Even the ones in states where it is legal they are very much an abused worker.

"No other workplace has to cover the range of health and safety issues that ensue from this sexual and economic exchange. Together with STIs [Sexually Transmitted Infections], verbal abuse, battering, sexual harassment and violence, rape and unwanted pregnancies are recognised occupational health and safety risks within the prostitution industry. This does not change because prostitution is legalised."

[Mary Sullivan, Ph.D., author, of the 2005 report "What Happens When Prostitution Becomes Work?"]

Hello again, Steve:

You point out the reasons we should get rid of all these peephole laws. Because we know, that everybody is going to break them - cause everybody likes to screw.

So, we can get rid of the politicians, or we can get rid of the traps.

We don't know that at all ex, everybody doesn't break them.


If it were left to me, I don't want politicains who don't diddle. It ain't natural.

Alrighty then, that still does nothing to solve the problem of hypocritical crusaders. Whether our politicians diddle is not something I give much thought to. Whether they have integrity is.

Is anyone here saying that prostitution is a valid job choice? I missed that part.

If it was a Republican then there would be a chorus of bleeting chortle here .

Is anyone here saying that prostitution is a valid job choice? I missed that part.

Indeed you did miss it. Excon defended the abolition of what he called "peephole laws" . Implied in his answer is the legalization of prostitution

if it was a Republican then there would be a chorus of bleeting chortle here .What do you think this thread is? :D

Hello again, DC:

So, you can't distinguish between a beautiful, young, sophisticated, 5' 5", 105 lb knockout chick, from a scum bag, bum, DUDE hanging around a mens toilet?

Please, don't ever ask me out to dinner.

LOL, I can tell the difference (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/2008_swimsuit/danica-patrick/08_danica-patrick_1.html). Does that mean you'd still have a beer with me?

LOL OK fair enough . What I find intersting however is that when a Republican does the hypocrisy thing it is worthy of doscussion but when a Democrat is hoist by his own petard it isn't no biggie .

No other workplace has to cover the range of health and safety issues that ensue from this sexual and economic exchange. Together with STIs [Sexually Transmitted Infections], verbal abuse, battering, sexual harassment and violence, rape and unwanted pregnancies are recognised occupational health and safety risks within the prostitution industry. This does not change because prostitution is legalised.

[Mary Sullivan, Ph.D., author, of the 2005 report "What Happens When Prostitution Becomes Work?"]Hello tom:

I'm sorry to disagree with your Ph.D. but I strenuously do.

The negative aspects regarding the sex trade are a direct result of the trade being illegal, not because of the trade itself. The same thing is true in the drug trade... Clearly, prohibition doesn't work.

It WAS true in the alcohol trade too, before it became legal... But, the guy selling booze today works for 7/Eleven - not the mob. There's a connection there that is lost upon you moral cops. I don't know why.

excon

The same thing is true in the drug trade..... It WAS true in the alcohol trade too, before it became legal.... But, the guy selling booze today works for 7/Eleven - not the mob. There's a connection there that is lost upon you moral cops. I dunno why.

I get the connection, but will legalization stop the exploitation? I don't think so.

Got another phd for you

Regardless of prostitution's status (legal, illegal or decriminalized) or its physical location (strip club, massage parlor, street, escort/home/hotel), prostitution is extremely dangerous for women. Homicide is a frequent cause of death...
It is a cruel lie to suggest that decriminalization or legalization will protect anyone in prostitution. It is not possible to protect someone whose source of income exposes them to the likelihood of being raped on average once a week." [Melissa Farley, Ph.D. Founding Director of the Prostitution Research and Education, "Prostitution Is Sexual Violence" 2004 Psychiatric Times ]

And another

"Behind the facade of a regulated industry, brothel prostitutes in Nevada are captive in conditions analogous to slavery. Women often are procured for the brothels from other areas by pimps who dump them at the house in order to collect the referral fee. Women report working in shifts commonly as long as 12 hours, even when ill, menstruating or pregnant, with no right to refuse a customer who has requested them or to refuse the sexual act for which he has paid.... And, contrary to the common claim that the brothel will protect women from the dangerous, crazy clients on the streets, rapes and assaults by customers are covered up by the management."
[Anastasia Volkonsky, J.D., Founder and Former Project Director of Prevention, Referral, Outreach, Mentoring, and Intervention to End Sexual Exploitation Feb. 27, 1995 article "Legalization the 'Profession' Would Sanction the Abuse" ]

or this one

...[L]egalization actually makes it more difficult to prosecute rapists, perpetrators, and traffickers. Because the sex industries are more legitimized under legalization, there is no basic presumption that buying or selling someone else's body is a crime — and therefore the burden on victims of violence to prove that they are experiencing harm or exploitation is increased. When sexual exploitation is legalized, sexual abusers can use excuses like, 'she's just a ho who wanted more money' to discredit anyone in the sex industries who tries to get legal support." Standing Against Global Exploitation (SAGE)

Sweden has their hand on the pulse of the problem…they do not prosecute those who sell themselves but rather come down hard on the one paying for sex.

Hello tom:

It doesn't wash. The problem is NOT with the market place. No matter how you slice it, how you de-regulate it, how you de-criminalize it... how you do anything about it at all, other than legalize it... as long as prostitution is considered immoral by the Judea Christian culture, the demonization of the trade will continue.

I promise you, if, in this culture, sex was considered the same as lollypops, the sex trade would be as dangerous as your local candy store.

excon

It is sleezy no matter which culture you are in . Other cultures sell their children to brothels for money . Sleezy

The only thing legalization empowers is the Johns. The women are still an abused class legal or not . Consent cannot be implied because so many of the women are forced into the trade... legal... cultually acceptable or not.

Shocker, I have to agree with tom. Legalizing it will not solve the problem (http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/factsheet.html).

I agree with Tom too. And paying for sex is in itself, self degrading

And paying for sex is in itself, self degradingHello DC:

Yeah, I've heard that from you righty's before. Snicker, snicker... Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

Anyone checked with Ron Paul and find out what he says about this?

Meanwhile, as we're discussing legalizing prostitution, Newsday, the New York Post and the New York Daily News have all called for his resignation. Even the ultra liberal NY Times opened their op-ed today with this:


New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer could not have been more wrong in his brief public appearance after the world learned that he was suspected of patronizing a prostitution ring. He did not just betray his family in a private matter. He betrayed the public, and it is hard to see how he will recover from this mess and go on to lead the reformist agenda on which he was elected to office.

Anyone checked with Ron Paul and find out what he says about this?Hello George:

Yes. He's on my side.

excon

Hello George:

Yes. He's on my side.

excon
Ron Paul isn't a righty?

By all accounts that I have read, Nevada brothels work. Given the scrutiny placed on them by the regulatory authorities I can't believe that any woman working in them are doing so involuntarily.

They are regulalry checked for health issues.

Personally I do think that legalization is an answer. Regulation will protect the workers and it will be a source of income to the state. It would also get the mob out of the business.

And that last point is the biggest reason why Spitzer should resign. Sexual indiscretion is one thing. Bill Clinton survived that. But using a prostitute opens Spitzer to blackmail and corruption and that was the big mistake.

This account doesn't sound very rosy.



'It's like you sign a contract to be raped (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/sep/07/usa.gender)'

If you believe their PR, Nevada's legal brothels are safe, healthy - even fun - places in which to work. So why do so many prostitutes tell such horrific tales of abuse? -Julie Bindel reports

There is only one place in the US where brothels are legal, and that's Nevada - a state in which prostitution has been considered a necessary service industry since the days when the place was populated solely by prospecters. There are at least 20 legal brothels in business now. Not so many, you might think, but these state-sanctioned operations punch above their weight in PR terms.

Take HBO's hit documentary series, Cathouse, which features the most famous of the Nevadan brothels, the Moonlight Bunny Ranch. Tune in and you'd be forgiven for thinking that all prostitutes in Nevada are on to a good thing. The women speak coyly about loving their work, their customers, their bosses. "The series sheds light not only on the numerous joys and challenges of working at a legal brothel," says the HBO website, "but on the therapeutic benefits that customers take with them after a stint at the Ranch."

Given such great PR, a new book - Prostitution and Trafficking in Nevada: Making the Connections - makes interesting reading. During a two-year investigation, the author, Melissa Farley, visited eight legal brothels in Nevada, interviewing 45 women and a number of brothel owners. Far from enjoying better conditions than those who work illegally, the prostitutes she spoke to are often subject to slave-like conditions.

Described as "p***y penitentiaries" by one interviewee, the brothels tend to be in the middle of nowhere, out of sight of ordinary Nevadans. (Brothels are officially allowed only in counties with populations of fewer than 400,000, so prostitution remains an illegal - though vast - trade in conurbations such as Las Vegas.) The brothel prostitutes often live in prison-like conditions, locked in or forbidden to leave.

"The physical appearance of these buildings is shocking," says Farley. "They look like wide trailers with barbed wire around them - little jails." The rooms all have panic buttons, but many women told her that they had experienced violent and sexual abuse from the customers and pimps.

"I saw a grated iron door in one brothel," says Farley. "The women's food was shoved through the door's steel bars between the kitchen and the brothel area. One pimp starved a woman he considered too fat. She made a friend outside the brothel who would throw food over the fence for her." Another pimp told Farley matter-of-factly that many of the women working for him had histories of sexual abuse and mental ill-health. "Most," he said, "have been sexually abused as kids. Some are bipolar, some are schizophrenic."

Then there is the fact that legal prostitutes seem to lose the rights ordinary citizens enjoy. From 1987, prostitutes in Nevada have been legally required to be tested once a week for sexually transmitted diseases and monthly for HIV. Customers are not required to be tested. The women must present their medical clearance to the police station and be finger-printed, even though such registration is detrimental: if a woman is known to work as a prostitute, she may be refused health insurance, face discrimination in housing or future employment, or endure accusations of unfit motherhood. In addition, there are countries that will not permit registered prostitutes to settle, so their movement is severely restricted.

Those who support the system claim that the regulations may help prevent pimping, which they see as a worse form of exploitation to that which occurs in brothels. According to Farley's research though, most women in legal brothels have pimps outside anyway, be they husbands or boyfriends. And, as Chong Kim, a survivor of prostitution who has worked with Farley, says, some of the legal brothel owners "are worse than any pimp. They abuse and imprison women and are fully protected by the state."

The women are expected to live in the brothels and to work 12- to 14-hour shifts. Mary, a prostitute in a legal brothel for three years, outlines the restrictions. "You are not allowed to have your own car," she notes. "It's like [the pimp's] own little police state." When a customer arrives, a bell rings, and the women immediately have to present themselves in a line-up, so he can choose who to buy.

Sheriffs in some counties of Nevada also enforce practices that are illegal. In one city, for example, prostitutes are not allowed to leave the brothel after 5pm, are not permitted in bars, and, if entering a restaurant, must use a back door and be accompanied by a man.

So how did Farley gain access to her interviewees? Those in control of the women were confident that they would not be honest about the conditions, she says. "Pimps love to brag, and I know how to listen," she adds. Although left alone with the women during interviews, Farley noted that they were all very nervous, constantly looking out for the brothel owners.

Investigating the sex industry - even the legal part - can be dangerous. During one visit to a brothel, Farley asked the owner what the women thought of their work. "I was polite," she writes in her book, "as he condescendingly explained what a satisfying and lucrative business prostitution was for his 'ladies'. I tried to keep my facial muscles expressionless, but I didn't succeed. He whipped a revolver out of his waistband, aimed it at my head and said: 'You don't know nothing about Nevada prostitution, lady. You don't even know whether I will kill you in the next five minutes.'"

Farley found that the brothel owners typically pocket half of the women's earnings. Additionally, the women must pay tips and other fees to the staff of the brothel, as well as finders' fees to the cab drivers who bring the customers. They are also expected to pay for their own condoms, wet wipes, and use of sheets and towels. It is rare, the women told Farley, to refuse a customer. One former Nevada brothel worker wrote on a website: "After your airline tickets, clothing, full-price drinks and other miscellaneous fees you leave with little. To top it off, you are... fined for just about everything. Fall asleep on your 14-hour shift and get $100 [£50] fine, late for a line-up, $100-500 in fines." (The women generally negotiate directly with the men over the money; what they get depends on the quality of the brothel. It can be anything from $50 for oral sex to $1,000 for the night, but that doesn't take account of the brothel's cut.)

Farley found a "shocking" lack of services for women in Nevada wishing to leave prostitution. "When prostitution is considered a legal job instead of a human rights violation," says Farley, "why should the state offer services for escape?" More than 80% of those interviewed told Farley they wanted to leave prostitution.

The effect of all this on the women in the brothels is "negative and profound," according to Farley. "Many were suffering what I'd describe as the traumatic effects of ongoing sexual assaults, and those that had been in the brothels for some time were institutionalised. That is, they were passive, timid, compliant, and deeply resigned."

"No one really enjoys getting sold," says Angie, who Farley interviewed. "It's like you sign a contract to be raped."

Meanwhile, illegal brothels are on the increase in Nevada, as they are in other parts of the world where brothels are legalised. Nevada's illegal prostitution industry is already nine times greater than the state's legal brothels. "Legalising this industry does not result in the closing down of illegal sex establishments," says Farley, "it merely gives them further permission to exist."

Farley found evidence, for example, that the existence of state-sanctioned brothels can have a direct effect on attitudes to women and sexual violence. Her survey of 131 young men at the University of Nevada found the majority viewed prostitution as normal, assumed that it was not possible to rape a prostitute, and were more likely than young men in other states to use women in both legal and illegal prostitution.

The solution, Farley believes, is to educate people about the realities of legalised abuse of women. "Once the people of Nevada learn of [prostitutes'] suffering and emotional distress, and their lack of human rights, they, like me, will be persuaded that legal prostitution is an institution that just can't be fixed up or made a little better. It has to be abolished." The prevailing attitude in Nevada remains as it was a few centuries back though - that men have sexual "needs" that they have a right to fulfil. Outside one of the legal brothels a sign reads: "He who hesitates, masturbates."

$4,500 per pop worth of cool at that.


PLUS she was allowed free access to the in-room bar!

(For $4,000 I think this involved - minimally - barnyard animals.)

I really feel sorry for his wife…what misery she must be going through.


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I really feel sorry for his wife…what misery she must be going through.


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And his 3 daughters.

Something that no one has mentioned so far. His action was against the law, therefore he had to fear exposure. With that scenario, anyone who knew of those illegal actions was in a position to blackmail the Governor. What would the pay-off be? Political favors? Business favors? Of course, blackmail won't work now, but we may find some hard to explain actions back down the trail.

Even if adultry and law violations don't worry you, the above should.

But what was this "dangerous" sex he was wanting.

But what was this "dangerous" sex he was wanting.Hello Padre:

I heard it was a 14" dildo, circumcised of course, cause Sptizer's a Jew.

excon

But what was this "dangerous" sex he was wanting.

I'm just curious as to why you want to know? ;)

Smoking Gun has a pic of his hooker:
The Smoking Gun: Photos Of Eliot Spitzer's Hooker - March 12, 2008 (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0312084kristen1.html)

Might I be first to say that she is hot!

Something that no one has mentioned so far. His action was against the law, therefore he had to fear exposure. With that scenario, anyone who knew of those illegal actions was in a position to blackmail the Governer. What would the pay-off be? Political favors? Business favors? Of course, blackmail won't work now, but we may find some hard to explain actions back down the trail.

Even if adultry and law violations don't worry you, the above should.

Actually I did mention that in reply #49. Personally I couldn't care less whether Spitzer or any other politician has extra-marital sex. Anyone with the ego to seek elective office is likely to have sexual urges above the norm.

But my problem is that he broke the law, then broke other laws in trying to cover it up. That and the gross hypocrisy to take the ethical stand he has while he was doing this.


But what was this "dangerous" sex he was wanting.

According to what I read, it was sans condom.


Smoking Gun has a pic of his hooker:

Might I be first to say that she is hot!

Definitely a cutie. She lives right near where my company HQ is! <eg>

[QUOTE=ScottGem] According to what I read, it was sans condom.



That's not exactly the whole story I heard - yes, sans condom, but, ummm, not exactly face up missionary position.

Cough, cough.

That's not exactly the whole story I heard - yes, sans condom, but, ummm, not exactly face up missionary position.

Cough, cough.

Hmm, Eliot Spitzer not in the dominant position? Now that could explain why he went outside his marriage for this.

Smoking Gun has a pic of his hooker:
The Smoking Gun: Photos Of Eliot Spitzer's Hooker - March 12, 2008 (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0312084kristen1.html)

Might I be first to say that she is hot!

Yeah, but was she worth that much for her services? "Classy" hooker or not I just can't get over the ickiness factor of not knowing where that thing has been before it got to me ;)

Hmm, Eliot Spitzer not in the dominant position? Now that could explain why he went outside his marriage for this.

:D

Hmm, Eliot Spitzer not in the dominant position? Now that could explain why he went outside his marriage for this.


Depends on your definition of dominant - "this style" he could also watch TV, in case he happened to be on the News, when he was otherwise occupied.

Or Seinfeld.

I just can't get over the ickiness factor of not knowing where that thing has been before it got to me ;)Hello Steve:

This is a pretty common reason amongst people who don't shop for sex. However, I fail to distinguish between paid for "ickiness", and free "ickiness".

If it's your suggestion that high class call girls do it MORE than your average 22 year old, I wouldn't subscribe to that school of thought.

When you dine in your local restaurant, why aren't you worried about where that fork has been? Have you seen some of the mouths that hang around restaurants?? Talk about ickiness.

excon

Hello Steve:

This is a pretty common reason amongst people who don't shop for sex. However, I fail to distinguish between paid for "ickiness", and free "ickiness".

So you're making an argument for abstinence and faithfulness? ;)


If it's your suggestion that high class call girls do it MORE than your average 22 year old, I wouldn't subscribe to that school of thought.

Nope, not my school of thought, but I would feel less "ickiness" knowing and having a relationship with that person. I was never one for the 'hookup,' I actually cared about the girls in my life :)


When you dine in your local restaurant, why aren't you worried about where that fork has been? Have you seen some of the mouths that hang around restaurants?? Talk about ickiness.

Good point, and my wife had food poisoning twice last year - but I know at least our local health department tries to make sure that fork has been sanitized in an antibacterial solution. That's a bit more difficult with a real live woman :D

Good point, and my wife had food poisoning twice last year - but I know at least our local health department tries to make sure that fork has been sanitized in an antibacterial solution. That's a bit more difficult with a real live woman :D

And therein lies one of the main arguments for legalized prostitution. That and the revenue stream from taxation.

Got to love it legal and illegal prostitution is undeniably linked with human trafficking . But at least they are clean.

And therein lies one of the main arguments for legalized prostitution. That and the revenue stream from taxation.Hello again:

Bingo!

I don't know about dem udder guys. But, I always dip my hookers in anti-bacterial solution.

excon

I dunno bout dem udder guys. But, I always dip my hookers in anti-bacterial solution.

excon

But the udder is not the issue, it's the other end that presents the problem. Also dipping the hookers may not work, swabbing is what's needed. They guy is the one doing the dipping.

::: ducking :::

Hello again:

Bingo!

I dunno bout dem udder guys. But, I always dip my hookers in anti-bacterial solution.

LOL, do you dip her for fleas and ticks while you're at it?

But the udder is not the issue, its the other end that presents the problem. Also dipping the hookers may not work, swabbing is what's needed. They guy is the one doing the dipping.

::: ducking :::

Man, has this post digressed or what? :p

Man, has this post digressed or what? :p

Well this whole situation is udderly ridiculous to begin with :D

LOL, do you dip her for fleas and ticks while you're at it?


I don't think you have to - these are high price callgirls. They probably all wear Hartz Mountain Flea and Tick Collars.

Just be careful not to breathe in the fumes.

I don't think you have to - these are high price callgirls. They probably all wear Hartz Mountain Flea and Tick Collars.

Just be careful not to breathe in the fumes.

Preparing for a rendezvous with a hooker?

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[QUOTE=speechlesstx]Preparing for a rendezvous with a hooker?



I think the final word has been heard! Too, too funny -

I heard they are getting him on money laundrying apparently he was using money that was not his and that is how they caught him.

Hello again:

Bingo!

I dunno bout dem udder guys. But, I always dip my hookers in anti-bacterial solution.

excon


Ex you might want to read this

Bursting the bubble on antibacterial soap - News>>Science (http://media.www.michigandaily.com/media/storage/paper851/news/2005/11/08/Newsscience/Bursting.The.Bubble.On.Antibacterial.Soap-1432785.shtml)