I am in the early stages of laying-out my basement plans. There is a rough-in for toilet and shower, but not where I want the bathroom to be. I would like to move the rough-in pipes about 10-12 feet from where they are now for my ideal basement plan. I've done a lot of DIY home pprojects, but have not come up against this before. I'm just wondering how difficult it will be to move these pipes... seems like it would be cost-prohibitive to have a professional do it. The floor is 4'' concrete, and I'm considering moving the pipes myself. Is it as simple as it seems?. break up concrete, trench a line, make sure I have apporpriate slope, redo the concrete?? Or is this not worth pursuing as a DIY project? I just hate not being capable of doing my own work. HELP!
Thanks for any input!

Good morning JR,

" Is it as simple as it seems?..........break up concrete, trench a line, make sure I have apporpriate slope, redo the concrete????"

You got it sport! That and a few other details like vents, revents and layout.
You sound lie you have the knowledge to do this and I can walk you through the job if you like. When do I get to look at your fixture layout? Tom

I would love the help!! I probably won't be able to post again until Mon. AM (I work today). What is the best way to show you the layout? Just describe it, or should I get a photo..

Good morning JR,

"What is the best way to show you the layout? Just describe it, or should I get a photo?"

Both would be helpful. Are you pulling a permit on this job and will it be inspected? In order to help I'll need details, sizes, measures and wall lines. I'm going to want to know where your connecting to, the venting that you plan, the pipe material and size , all the details you can give me. Regards, tom

Great! I'll try to bring you up to speed tomorrow AM! Thanks again! Much appreciated.

Hopefully all of these images come across OK. I guess the easiest thing to do is to have you look at them, then I will answer any other questions that come up. I will unfortunately be pulling permits for this project... Colorado will not include sq. footage for appraisal if you cannot furnish permits for any new work done since the last sale of the property. Except for the toilet, all the pipes are 2", this is new construction (May 2005) so everything should be current on code, etc. Thanks again for your help.

Good morning JR,
I was all bset to tear into your rough in first thing this morning but it seems this site has a problem with its database and I can neither down load your JPG's or post up images. You're not being ignored. When the site comes on line so will I. Trgards, Tom

No worries!

Hi JR,
I'm posting this to all askers that have sent me attachments .
Due to technical difficulties AskMeHelpDesks data base is down. I can no longer send or open attachments. This means I can't work on your problem until I can open the attachments that you posted. I apologize for the delay and promise that you will head up the list once the mods and admin. Get it back on line. Regards, Tom aka speedball1

Good morning JR,

We're back on line and I was able to download and print out your pictures.
Before I can even comment on the moves you wish to make I'm going to hafta know what's under then floor. For instance, if the toilet drain parallels the wall the shower drain will extend past the present toilet rough in with no problem, however if the toilet drain line extends out from the wall the shower drain would have a problem jumping over it. I also notice that you don't mention the lavatory. You may keep it there and extend the drain but you'll have to revent back to the original vent. Another thing is the shower vent, it's now being wet vented by the lavatory, moving the shower would place it too far from the vent. Your best bet, (before you rent a jackhammer) would be to contact the plumber that did the job and get some idea of what's under the slab. It may not be feasible to make the moves you have planned . Let me know what you find out. Regards, Tom

Thanks for the help! That's exactly the kind of info I needed before I jump in to this project. I'll check into some things and get back online here... eventually. Thanks again!

Thanks for the help! That's exactly the kind of info I needed before I jump in to this project. I'll check into some things and get back online here.........eventually. Thanks again!
No problem, I'll be interested in what you find out. Tom

It's been a while, but I finally got some information about the layout. In regards to your earlier questions, it seems the pipes parallel the wall (see attahed drawing). I think the move will be possible... my only question is venting. It always comes back to vents, doesn't it? Ideally I would like to tie into the existing vent near the current rough-in, but I suspect I have a distance issue, and it's just not going to be that easy. On my attached drawing- on the pipe labeled, "new lav. rough-in" (right side)... I know that if it's just the lav. That is the venting issue, I could get away with an AAV. But I'm guessing that due to the location of the shower and WC, that I will need a new dedicated vent to use for all three fixtures. This is much more work, and not ideal. But the good news is that the wall I would have to run up is the wall that separates my house and my garage, which means I can access it from inside the garage, and the attic space above... so in theory it seems like I could do it if I had to... what are your thoughts?? Once again, your expertise is very much appreciated

Hi JR, Welcome back.

You have a problem with vents before you get to the "new lav rough in". You are discharging a major fixture,(toilet) past a unvented minor one, (shower) and all the AAV's you put on that lav won't vent the shower. The washer should already be vented and will wet vent the toilet. The lav needs a vent, AAV or through the roof. That leaves the shower with two options, either its own dedicated vent or tie it into the lavatory drain and be wet vented. Regards, Tom

I wasn't ignoring your response, sorry! You were very prompt with your reply and I thank you greatly. I had to work several consecutive 12-hour shifts and wasn't able to get back to my project as quickly as I wanted!

If I reconfigure the fixture locations (see attached), does it solve some venting issues? In the new layout, the toilet will be beyond the other fixtures, and it will be less than 6 feet from the 2'' laundry drain coming from the floor above... which, if I remember correctly, 6 feet is close enough to use it to wet-vent the toilet. If I place the shower and lav. In this new orientation, the AAV placed at the lav. Should be adequeate for the shower vent... right? The shower and lav. Drains will only be about be 3 feet apart.

Let me know what you think! Again, much appreciated!

"Let me know what you think!"
Hey! It works for me JR. I would move the main from directly under the toilet to accommodate a combo 1/8th bend /wye and closet bend. Outside of that you have all your ducks in a row.
Thanks for your input on the recirculating pump. They came on the market after I retired and I'm not familiar with them. But your link went into my data base and I'll study up on them. You sound pretty happy with yours. Regards, tom

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!

Learn to love your bathroom in the original location : - )