I heard this at a church but since when are beatles singign about religion? IS this song seriously aproperiate? o.O

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one


Written by John Lennon
Song: Imagine

It's not the Beatles. That was written by John Lennon during his solo career. Yeah, that's an odd tune to play at church.

Oh, well yeah I met Lennon but I have a bad habbit of calling one member of the band The Beatles haha.

It is...
I think some people got offended?

I would say they would get offended.

It's a great song but keep it out of church.

Oh! I am a little outraged..

There is a song about Christians murdering Indians!
You know back with the Spanish Conquestidors?

The song offended me so much... I can't give the link because I might be nanned only because the sogn has a few curses.

So if you are curious

Go on Youtube and search

Christians Murdered Indians


Tell me how it made you feel?
I think its wrong the song was even written, you can't base an opinion on christians frm what happened thousands of years ago.

I went to YouTube and viewed that video. Did not finish it. I got the point! Maybe all the desendants of the European conquerors and settlers should get on the boat back to Europe. Give it all back. It would not change a thing. I cannot be held responsible for what people did hundreds of years ago.

What is upsetting is that conqueroring for the sake of greed, disguised as christianity. Anyone who does understand Christ knows that Christ never would have sanctioned those actions.

Ummm... John Lennon was a spiritual person but didn't believe in God. The song you are speaking of is called "Imagine". I copied this from one of his websites.

John Lennon (1940-1980) was the composer of what has become an anthem for atheists around the world, "Imagine."  Lennon rejected religion and dogma, but he was not really an atheist - he espoused a sort of vague spirituality.

So no, I wouldn't sing this in church.

The song is definitely not appropriate. It's pretty New Age, the lyrics implying that peace on earth is not attainable unless you give up: religion (no right and wrong)
geographic boundaries (no answering to governments)
ownership (no belongings)
It's a pretty brutal song when you analyze it, not something people with any sense of accountability should be singing.

On the other hand, it is a catchy tune. Use some words of your own.

I went to YouTube and viewed that video. Did not finish it. I got the point! Maybe all the desendants of the European conquerors and settlers should get on the boat back to Europe. Give it all back. It would not change a thing. I cannot be held responsible for what people did hundreds of years ago.

What is upsetting is that conqueroring for the sake of greed, disguised as christianity. Anyone who does understand Christ knows that Christ never would have sanctioned those actions.

I here you man. I was disgusted when I found out the truth about Christopher columbus.
But that sogn was soooo out of line.
Everyone is entilted ot there own opinion though.


Margarita:
Exactly! Why this women got up and started sining imagine had be baffled xD Like WHOA

Well, JB
It was a while ago when she sang it nut it hit me now.

Haha I never thought of it that wa, when you analyze it.

It's a pretty brutal song when you analyze it, not something people with any sense of accountability should be singing.Got to disagree with you there. People don't really need a god to have a sense of right and wrong. Jus' saying.

I do agree that the song does not belong in a church but it's not "brutal".

True True.

Religion, is such a touchy subject.. Never knew how much it can really impact someone, you know?

I agree with NeedKarma. John Lennon was really big on world peace and happiness. He did grow up in the 60's! The song is about achieving that by getting rid of all the things that cause conflict between people. Religion and Government being two of these things. Its not brutal in any way.

Yup, he was a good man. Which why it's ironic the way he died, he would never have harmed a fly.

:'(

I don't know if its okay to get off topic but John Lennon was a good man

Would not do it in any of my churches, at times songs that are not christian are used in churches at weddings and other special events.
But then there are many churches where all sorts of things are done.

No, not at all appropriate.

Who ever played that song in church apparently had a reason. Doesn't mean that they were acurate in their belief about the song...

Perhaps they heard only a portion of it... Whatever... If there intention was to make a joyful noise unto the lord... then it sure as he11 was appropriate.

Not everyone interprets things the same way... I know people that are offended by Amazing Grace!

If it bothered you, say a prayer or a few hail mary's for yourself... that you'll be blessed with the ability not to judge the action of others.

I think it would be great for church. But, I'm an atheist and absolutely love the message in that song. Its actually in my mp3 player right now. If I were a Christian or Catholic Etc... Probably wouldn't be a good message. ( Imagine no Religion)

Dare I bring up the number of wars and killings based on one religion against another? Atrocities done in the name of religion... enough said.

Some folks don't like it when a bible get's banned, and sure do argue about freedom of religious expression... as long as it meets their idea of acceptable.

If what that song was about, existed on earth, wouldn't that be like heaven without the need for the current fighting between groups?? There would not be this religion or that religion... with opposing views... It does not say there would be nothing spiritual.

Dare I bring up the number of wars and killings based on one religion against another? Attrocities done in the name of religion.... enough said.

Some folks don't like it when a bible get's banned, and sure do argue about freedom of religious expression... as long as it meets their idea of acceptable.

If what that song was about, existed on earth, wouldn't that be like heaven without the need for the current fighting between groups??? There would not be this religion or that religion... with opposing views.... It does not say there would be nothing spiritual.
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I agree with much of what you are saying. But if I were a member of an atheist group, and we had a hall that we met at for learning and discussion and someone started playing " Cuom-bi-ahh my Lord--- Cuom-bi-ahh"... I would be a little curious as to why they thought it was appropriate. Remember that it's their house, the people there are not there to debate or as the song says "imagine a world without religion."

I understand that, but I think the one line is the part that people are interpreting to be against them... when actually it can be interpreted to be for them...

Does heaven have a religion? Is it Catholic, Protestant, Luthern..

If the ideal heaven existed on earth, what would we have then?

A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

No, that song had no business being played in a room full of people who have been taught to be 'religious' at all. If people go to church to learn intolerance and exclusivity, it is quite wrong.


We are all one. Ours is not a better way, merely a different way.

I understand that, but I think the one line is the part that people are interpreting to be against them... when actually it can be interpreted to be for them...

Does heaven have a religion? Is it Catholic, Protestant, Luthern...?

If the ideal heaven existed on earth, what would we have then?

A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
----------------------- I finally see what you are saying. After going and waking up my Catholic school teacher girlfriend who studied this in her courses at university and asking her about it, you are very right. It does simply mean no particular religion or maybe one religion with out a label. Basically gods way, anyone involved in any religion that has faith that their concept is the right concept should enjoy the song even more in their church. This is incredibly hard to put into perspective. Maybe some sleep will do me some good and I can clarify what I'm trying to say. But I do think it would still bring headaches to a church. Through trying to explain it. LOL

Sometimes I think Science should study my head. I really mean that.

Aside from no religion and no heaven and hell... It is one of the most beautiful songs and the meaning (the meaning that I get from it) is even more beautiful.

And I can maybe even stretch it, grant you a great deal, and say, if I were sitting in a pew at church, it wouldn't floor me at all.

The message is beautiful.

It is saying - (and I know you all know what it is saying but I am just trying to explain my view)

It is saying, Imagine there is nothing at all to differ about or fight over, but Imagine living in nothing but peace, Isn't that what we are taught that heaven actually is. In heaven there is no fighting, nothing but love and peace and that is what is behind the song.

When he says, imagine there is no heaven or hell... I think he is saying, nothing to differ about, meaning some say there is a heaven, some say there is not, nothing to disagree about. Not that we can run around willy nilly without any recourse just that he was removing anythng to disagree about.

I don't think it was anti anything... it actually was pro... pro love and peace. Isn't that what is taught inside and outside church doors.

I wouldn't be offended or even shocked. I'd probably still be singing it on the way home from the services, with a good peaceful feeling in my heart.

Sometimes ( in general... in life)... we hold a beaufiul flower in our hands, and slowely remove the petals one by one "to analayze it" and before you know it all the petals are gone along with the beauty.

I agree with you,, very difficult to explain. It is a difficult mental problem to comprehend the context and analyze that in relationship to doctrine... certainly a higher level cognitive ability that is further complicated with personal biases especially when more than one meaning can be arrived at... "no religion" throws up RED FLAGS for sure... but if the statement is considered to mean "no religion to devide us" to make us fight... to make us live or die for... it can have a much different meaning without being offensive to people... and not meaning there should be no belief in spiritual things...

In a church, as in society, there will be people operating at different levels of thought... not to say that one is better than another... but only that the difference exists, which I think is why the song can send up a great meaning for one, but at the same time, be inappropriate to another person. That was my reason for not casting judgement on the person who decided to present it in church. Can't assume anything about their intent, but would hope it was purely positive.

I too had a difficult time in trying to formulate my thoughts around the issue, as an explanation of the original question. I finally had to go to bed, waking up a couple of times with a headache... thinking about how to express my thoughts clearly... so, I easily understand how it would be very difficult to present that perspective to an assortment of people at a church with varied views so as not to alienate anyone.

Amazing how even a song can cause a rift between people in a church. I'm hoping that the original poster might share my thoughts about this with others at the church who may have been offended.

I can't stop singing that song. :)

You know, I was thinking, I would love to live in a world, and I'm sure we all would, as John describes.

John, you may have been a dreamer, but what a lovely dream, and wherever you are not, I hope that dream has come true. Thank you for that beautiful song.

I agree with you,,, very difficult to explain. It is a difficult mental problem to comprehend the context and analyze that in relationship to doctrine... certainly a higher level cognitive ability that is further complicated with personal biases especially when more than one meaning can be arrived at... "no religion" throws up RED FLAGS for sure... but if the statement is considered to mean "no religion to devide us" to make us fight... to make us live or die for... it can have a much different meaning without being offensive to people... and not meaning there should be no belief in spiritual things...

In a church, as in society, there will be people operating at different levels of thought... not to say that one is better than another... but only that the difference exists, which I think is why the song can send up a great meaning for one, but at the same time, be inappropriate to another person. That was my reason for not casting judgement on the person who decided to present it in church. Can't assume anything about their intent, but would hope it was purely positive.

I too had a difficult time in trying to formulate my thoughts around the issue, as an explanation of the original question. I finally had to go to bed, waking up a couple of times with a headache... thinking about how to express my thoughts clearly... so, I easily understand how it would be very difficult to present that perspective to an assortment of people at a church with varied views so as not to alienate anyone.

Amazing how even a song can cause a rift between people in a church. I'm hoping that the original poster might share my thoughts about this with others at the church who may have been offended.
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I agree.

I will have to respectfully disagree then. The day mankind manages to attain a world without the problems that motivate us like hunger, political strife, etc, then that is the day we stop improving. It is human nature to "overcome", but look at your own lives today... is there ever a desire of any kind to improve your life in the areas you're quite content with?

Anyway, acknowledging the "truth" that there's no heaven/hell (?) would pretty much be the last straw on earth if that became universally believed. Without something to feel beholden to greater than ourselves, man is NOT a natural peacemaker.

Agreed, some dummies in history use religion as a basis for evil actions, but eliminating the concepts of God and right/wrong goes down the drain with it. We will always need someone greater than ourselves to motivate us to be our best.

No countries... no nationalism, patriotism, oh the loss there.

We will always need someone greater than ourselves to motivate us be our best.Well I, for one, don't need such a thing. If you need to believe in that to motivate you then good for you. We're all individuals, you can't speak for all the people on this earth.

The song I nice but it's really not appropriate 4 church ;]

I will have to respectfully disagree then. The day mankind manages to attain a world without the problems that motivate us like hunger, political strife, etc, then that is the day we stop improving. It is human nature to "overcome", but look at your own lives today...is there ever a desire of any kind to improve your life in the areas you're quite content with?

Anyway, acknowledging the "truth" that there's no heaven/hell (?) would pretty much be the last straw on earth if that became universally believed. Without something to feel beholden to greater than ourselves, man is NOT a natural peacemaker.

Agreed, some dummies in history use religion as a basis for evil actions, but eliminating the concepts of God and right/wrong goes down the drain with it. We will always need someone greater than ourselves to motivate us be our best.

No countries...no nationalism, patriotism, oh the loss there.

You know... I actually agree with your first paragraph. Man learns from mistakes. If we lived in a world of peace, there is no way to make mistakes because a mistake is labeled as wrong. Wow. It's amazing how many different views can come from a simple song. I was all for it's a great song and wouldn't that be amazing but if you really think about it, world peace would stop all growth. Not to mention all the lawyers that would be out of work. Ha ha. All in all it is still a good song.

As far as your second paragraph:

First off, I am an atheist, so I have the hardest time understanding why christians need the reassurance that there is something greater out there. I am one of those people that believe, when you die you rot in the ground and that's it. No spirit, no heaven/hell, nothing. I would love to believe in something like heaven but I can't do it. I guess I am too much of a realist and can not see something like a beautiful perfect place where everyone is always happy and nothing bad ever happens.

Also, why do you need the concept of a God to have morals? People don't need a higher power to motivate them to strive to be perfect. Doing right and wrong is common sense. Its human nature.
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The day mankind manages to attain a world without the problems that motivate us like hunger, political strife, etc, then that is the day we stop improving.

I must have stayed up too late last night because I don't follow the logic of saying that we need to have problems in the world so that we can improve... so imagining a world where all of the problems have been solved is wrong?

Does that mean we should just quit working to solve them because if we get them all solved we will have done something bad??

In that case, why try? Seems ridiculous.

The day mankind manages to attain a world without the problems that motivate us like hunger, political strife, etc, then that is the day we stop improving.

I must have stayed up too late last night because I don't follow the logic of saying that we need to have problems in the world so that we can improve... so imagining a world where all of the problems have been solved is wrong?

Does that mean we should just quit working to solve them because if we get them all solved we will have done something bad???

In that case, why try? Seems rediculous.

If no mistakes were made and no problems existed, then how would people learn knew things? Mistakes, which cause problems, have to be made before something new and better can be created. Trial and error is what makes the world go round. :o

Oneguy, you're question at the end assumes a conclusion I'm not even remotely suggesting. That's your conclusion. Personally, I dismiss any real belief that religion/nationality/social need will ever go away. It's part of civilization. I'm saying that man improves as a result of dealing with his disagreements. We also mess up through them, too, which is your side and the side of the song.

This is a mental exercise, only.

Margarita, atheism aside, the reasons people (not just Christians) need a sense something greater is because without SOME basis of accountability built into people's thought process, they can rationalize ANYTHING. And they do. If you don't do this, this does put you in the minority. The forum alone is full of people with problems brought on by no sense of consequence beyond what they want and feel.

So, I can't find a basis to agree with your position thet "People don't need a higher power to motivate them to strive to be perfect. Doing right and wrong is common sense. Its human nature." Looking around I have to conclude that doing wrong is common nature, in that when the chips are down, self-preservation will rule.

Man strives to be more than his animal nature dictates, and that is awesome. Most simply can't do it by instinct, which is where civilization comes back in. Laws, morals, rules, authority, listening to parents or God, these concepts exist only in mankind. They are backstops that help us to resist our natures and do "actual" right, at least in terms of doing what is best for all, not just self.

It's a debate, I know. Just know that I think on the end we have the same goals. I'm just of the belief they are more likely attained with some sense of accountability outside of ourselves, and you believe it can come from our own inner moral center. In that, only time will prove out.

First off, I am an athiest, so I have the hardest time understanding why christians need the reassurance that there is something greater out there. I am one of those people that believe, when you die you rot in the ground and that's it. No spirit, no heaven/hell, nothing. I would love to believe in something like heaven but I can't do it. I guess I am too much of a realist and can not see something like a beautiful perfect place where everyone is always happy and nothing bad ever happens.

Also, why do you need the concept of a God to have morals? People don't need a higher power to motivate them to strive to be perfect. Doing right and wrong is common sense. Its human nature.
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How many abused children are there in this world? How many missing? How many murdered? God didn't do this to these innocent children. Human nature did. God gives everyone a mind and lots of people can turn an ordinary mind into a very depraved mind. God didn't force them to look at and read about evil all day, but some people sure do it. And when their own depraved minds lead them to do the horrible things that they do to innocent children, then they will have to pay for their evils, if not in this world then in hell.

We have a choice of heaven or hell, plain and simple.

You're are right. People don't need a higher power to motivate them. They need the right higher power to motivate them. Jesus Christ. I remember, not too long ago, a loving group of people followed a higher power that they believed would lead them to perfection. Jim Jones.

I'm sorry that people don't want there to be a heaven, but I can understand it, because if they believed in heaven they would have to believe in hell.

I could never 'imagine'there was no heaven or hell. I know there is, and just choosing to say there isn't--won't change a thing.

Many people do not have to be threatened with eternal damnation to be kind to each other. It is our design to change, to grow. Disbelief in hell or in heaven will not stop the design's progress. Only those truly afraid, needing to be told what is right and wrong, yours and mine, up and down, would be frightened of the concepts presented in the lyrics.

Nice point.
Some pretty great responses if I say so myself :)

I think she sung the song just to tell people in church to be as one, bring peace.

But... She should have sang Let there be peace on earth :-P *drum/symbol noise*

Well, lets break it down. The song talks about imagining having world peace and harmony, no hunger, no wars in the name of "religion" (one of your bigger war causes) and living in "the now". How can this be bad? My God would imagine this would be good too.

Yes let's break it down.


Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Christians are not to imagine there is no Heaven. Heaven is our final destination. Heaven is an essential part of Christianity. In my opinion, it would not be appropriate to sing this song in church. Church music should be solid in doctrine and a prayerful reflection. This song is not that.

Yes let's break it down.


Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Christians are not to imagine there is no Heaven. Heaven is our final destination. Heaven is an essential part of Christianity. In my opinion, it would not be appropriate to sing this song in church. Church music should be solid in doctrine and a prayerful reflection. This song is not that.

That is the problem with Christianity. It is so exclusive. Believe what I believe or you are out and hell bound. There is no room for independent thinking. That is what I was referring to when I said "MY God," the Holy Spirit that I believe is all powerful, all knowing, all loving, and all that is good. I guess you could say that this song IS un-appropriate for a Christian Church since the Christian belief is one of a very narrow view. It equates their belief with fact for everyone.. I was raised as a Christian, have always been identified as a Christian but I really dislike any religious group to dictate my heart and tell me what I believe.

That is the problem with Christianity. It is so exclusive. Believe what I believe or you are out and hell bound. There is no room for independent thinking. That is what I was referring to when I said "MY God," the Holy Spirit that I believe is all powerful, all knowing, all loving, and all that is good. I guess you could say that this song IS un-appropriate for a Christian Church since the Christian belief is one of a very narrow view. It equates their belief with fact for everyone.. I was raised as a Christian, have always been identified as a Christian but I really dislike any religious group to dictate my heart and tell me what I believe.


You may believe what you wish to believe. I am not judging anyone. However this song is not in-line with Christian doctrine and should not be used in worship. That's all I am saying.

I thought about it a little more and although I do not believe the message is to do away with religion and to denounce heaven and hell, but just longing for peace, yes, I would have to agree should not be sung in a house of worship.

But I wouldn't be horrified if I heard.

Just wish that dream would come true. A world of peace and nothing to fight over.

How many abused children are there in this world? How many missing? How many murdered? God didn't do this to these innocent children. Human nature did. God gives everyone a mind and lots of people can turn an ordinary mind into a very depraved mind. God didn't force them to look at and read about evil all day, but some people sure do it. And when their own depraved minds lead them to do the horrible things that they do to innocent children, then they will have to pay for their evils, if not in this world then in hell.

We have a choice of heaven or hell, plain and simple.

You're are right. People don't need a higher power to motivate them. They need the right higher power to motivate them. Jesus Christ. I remember, not too long ago, a loving group of people followed a higher power that they believed would lead them to perfection. Jim Jones.

I'm sorry that people don't want there to be a heaven, but I can understand it, because if they believed in heaven they would have to believe in hell.

I could never 'imagine'there was no heaven or hell. I know there is, and just choosing to say there isn't--won't change a thing.

So what you are saying is that human nature can only produce wrong doing and evil things but can't do good and loving things? Well that is where we see things differently. I believe everyone can choose to do right and wrong and we don't need a "higher power" to show us that because there is no higher power. I am not going to argue with you because are beliefs are black and white so let's just agree to disagree. :D

I think that she is saying that if she didn't believe in Jesus Christ she would be murdering people and fornicating everyone in sight. So I guess it's better that she has her belief, kind of like Welbutrin for her.

MM--I agree to disagree.

NK--Doesn't deserve a comment.

I believe there IS a higher power. I do not think that you have to believe in that power to know the difference between right and wrong. Some wonderful caring benevolent people are atheist. Some horrible, cruel, hate mongers believe in God and that Jesus is the son of God. Who gets to heaven... the believer that has lived a selfish,damaging life, or the atheist that has been a positive contributor to mankind? Bible says you must believe to enter the gates of heaven. What's wrong with this picture?

So, should this song, which expresses a longing for peace be played in a (Christian) church? The consensus seems to be no.

I said before, it is wrong to play a song like this in an establishment where intolerance and hate are taught.

We would be better off to stop arguing with one another and to begin questioning why we hold the beliefs that we do. Do they work?

Well I may be nuts, but I think it would be a perfect song for anywhere. Imagine no division in any area of life. Isn't that the message of churches PEACE, Unity and love. Now I could see people finding it offensive in church if he said imagine there are no Gods.YouTube - Imagine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEOkxRLzBf0)

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Here is the beautiful song that longs for peace and I do think God would be pleased with the message.

Bushg I was just thinking the same things as I watched the video... he isn't saying imagine
There isn't a God.

Enjoy the song and Simoneague is right... let's not agrue amongst ourselves - kind of goes against the very meaning of the song and what God would want for all of us.

But Simon - I don't think church teaches intolerance and hate - ( but I understand what you are saying)

Lets really think about what the lyrics say and see if they are based on reality.


Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

I think, whether you believe in God or not, Heaven is good and Hell is bad.
In other words, no good or bad, no right or wrong. Imagine people like Jeffrey Dahmer, Hitler, Stalin, Sadddam etc.. They did what they pleased, because there is no right or wrong, just living for today, no consequence. But wait, we have laws, so most of humanity makes a judgement of what is right and wrong. And even nonbelievers on this board would acknowledge there is right and wrong.

This is in opposition to what the Bible teaches. There is a right and wrong. There is heaven and hell. We should live for God and not ourselves.


Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do [ so back to tribalism and feuds? Ala Rwanda, Darfur etc... }
Nothing to kill or die for [ A life with no passion? Would you die for your children?]
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
[ Funny USSR and communist China banned religion, how many tens if not hundreds of millions died?]


Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world


Now this is a CHristian concept, and the only appropriate lyrics for "church"

Acts 2:
44All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need. 46Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

And God is the source.


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There is this reality, Humans are the most intelligent species, yet we have the capacity to both annhialate ourselves senselessly, and the capacity to love.

Why can't some acknowledge, that humans, as a whole our flawed / fallen, and that God is the answer and not human imagination.

Why can't some acknowledge, that humans, as a whole our flawed / fallen, and that God is the answer and not human imagination.That will happen the same day that some will acknowledge that for many on this planet there is no requirement for a god to live a great life.

I am an atheist, and I love this song. One of the best ever written.

Lennon points out that religion is one of the most divisive institutions on earth... causing ill-feeling between neighbors and even hatred and wars. And what for? Imaginary entities that don't exist.

And so on...

I would be surprised to hear this song in a church!

I am an atheist, and I love this song. One of the best ever written.

Lennon points out that religion is one of the most divisive institutions on earth....causing ill-feeling between neighbors and even hatred and wars. And what for? Imaginary entities that don't exist.

And so on....

I would be surprised to hear this song in a church!


That is exactly why I am not religious. I am spiritual though. I believe in an ultimate power, maybe because I believe in love and I feel that God is love. When I pray, I believe there is a listener and I get comfort from this. Religion, on the other hand is often a source of conflict. Each religion believes that their way is THE way. Who is to say? Your belief is your reality.

Each religion believes that their way is THE way. Who is to say? Your belief is your reality.


That is a bit bizarre isn't it. We all worship God and yet think our religion is the one true religion.

I was raised Catholic and I am Catholic. The religion fits me beautifully - of course there are things that I quietly disagree with or just don't embarce I should say.

But I think all faiths that love God... Love God and not one faith is superior. That is my true belief.

That is a bit bizarre isn't it. We all worship God and yet think our religion is the one true religion.

I was raised Catholic and I am Catholic. The religion fits me beautifully - of course there are things that I quietly disagree with or just don't embarce i should say.

But I think all faiths that love God.....Love God and not one faith is superior. That is my true beleif.


Funny, I hear that from every Catholic I know. That there are things they disagree with or don't embrace. How is that a perfect fit? Some of the more popular issues are birth control, divorce, and what is this fee you have to pay to get an annulment aka the "divorce loop-hole. " Why would you have to pay the church to get their blessing to marry again ?

I was brought up as a protestant but I really cringe at any one organization proclaiming what is right and wrong for me and how I should believe in something as personal as one's faith. Isn't this in a song... " Let your conscience be you guide." My conscience is very strict with me. Won't let me get away with anything. I think it has a direct line to God.

LOL - I quess that did sound odd. What I meant was, that I am comfortable with my religion and I do love it, when I say it is a perfect fit for me, I say that so it is clear I am not saying my religion is the religion... it is one that I find peace with.

The only thing, that I find discomfort with is how they have a tendency to zero in on gay people. I haven't been to sermons where that was done, but I had heard they do.

As far as annullments. I used to say the same thing.. Why? Do you have to pay X amount of dollars to have your marriage washed away and if you do pay then it is thrown out?

Well, not necessary, my sister's was denied and should have been. Her request for an annulment.

The reason you need their permisson as in the eyes of the Catholic church you are married till death due you part anything outside of that is considered adultery. Just letting you know their views.

Which brings me to a little funny story. My parents were divorced and never did remarry.
But where my Dad lived as he got older... there were tons of women. There was this one lady who just like my Dad soooooooooo much... by this time my parents would have had to be divorced for over 20 years... a very long time. This women wanted my Dad to marry her. They were just friends and I have to say, she was very good to him. Helped him with calls for medince things like that, while we were at work.

Anyway, she wanted my Dad to marry him... and he really didn't care for her very much at all. She was very pushy. And my Dad didn't want to hurt her feelings... soooo
He told her.. "Suzy" I'm awful sorry, I can't marry you, in the eyes of the Catholic Church, I'm married already (as he wiped the sweat off his brow :).

So there are times that actually does come in handy;)

Choosing who to make a life with a partner, and have children with is a personal choice. A religious organization that restricts making personal choices is teaching superiority isn't it? If I were to join the Catholic church and adhere to their rules, then I would be an OK person. As it is, they love me but want to draw me in, have me follow their rules. That is conditional love, isn't it? That is us and them.

I love them. Even the Muslims that really get a bad rap. But then, they teach hate. And why are the Christian nations making war on them? Hate, superiority and intolerance. Maybe religious folk don't realize that they teach intolerance and hate. Maybe, they don't know what love is?

Love is not about forgiveness, it is the embodiment of acceptance. True love sees nothing to forgive. That was the message of Jesus, and the message of so many others who's words have been twisted into control of the masses. "Love one another," "Your care for others is the measure of your worth." They could not twist those words very well. Got to give them kudos for really trying though.

Then, along comes John Lennon and he says it again. And here we are arguing when we could be doing what we do best, changing.

Boy that's depressing Simoneague and I can see how one would feel that way. The Catholic church welcomes all to the service and you don't have to be catholic, ever, you just could not particapte in communion. And not because we are better, because there is some schooling and teaching about holy communion and you would have to make the sacrement of holy communion. But you could always attend services and you would see that they spend 99% of their time, making sure we are in line with God's will. Keeping us on the right path. There is never an us versus them. Honest.

The services are always about reminding us how important it is to love God and stay in his will. I never feel better then anyone outside the church doors, ever.

I don't think Catholics ever are ones to speak about being better, and you have to be Catholic otherwise...

Did you ever hear of Catholic guilt? We are so busy feeling guilty about everything that I feel even to look into another's house, would be a sin, because it is judging, and that is not our role.

As far as Muslims - I don't think true Muslims teach hate, just the opposite.

Great points your all bringing up...
But you know...

It is a bit stupid to pay so much money if you want to get married in a Christian/Cathloic church.

900 dollars to get married at church? That's over the top

Great points your all bringing up...
But you know...

It is a bit stupid to pay so much money if you want to get married in a Christian/Cathloic church.

900 dollars to get married at church? Thats over the top

I had a Catholic wedding and didn't have to pay anything. We gave some money, but then a priest should be given something for his service.

Boy that's depressing Simoneague and I can see how one would feel that way. The Catholic church welcomes all to the service and you don't have to be catholic, ever, you just could not particapte in communion. And not becuase we are better, because there is some schooling and teaching about holy communion and you would have to make the sacrement of holy communion. But you could always attend services and you would see that they spend 99% of their time, making sure we are in line with God's will. Keeping us on the right path. There is never an us versus them. Honest.

The services are always about reminding us how important it is to love God and stay in his will. I never feel better then anyone outside the church doors, ever.

I don't think Catholics ever are ones to speak about being better, and you have to be Catholic otherwise.....

Did you ever hear of Catholic guilt? We are so busy feeling guilty about everything that I feel even to look into another's house, would be a sin, because it is judging, and that is not our role.

As far as Muslims - I don't think true Muslims teach hate, just the opposite.

Beautifully said!

I heard this at a church but sicne when are beatles singign about religion? IS this song seriously aproperiate? o.O

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one


Written by John Lennon
Song: Imagine
John Lennon was an atheist. This song expresses at least agnosticism. So I'd say, no. It is not appropriate for church.

I heard this at a church but sicne when are beatles singign about religion? IS this song seriously aproperiate? o.O

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one


Written by John Lennon
Song: Imagine
John Lennon (Singer):
Some years before, during his interview with an American Magazine, he said:

"Christianity will end, it will disappear.
I do not have to argue about
that. I am certain.
Jesus was ok, but his subjects were too simple, today we are more famous than Him" (1966).

Lennon, after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, was shot six times.

Lennon, after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, was shot six times.

Please continue... I would like to know what point you are trying to prove with that information.

Lol

The song goes against what God says in the Bible. Does not belong in Church.

Luckily the people didn't attack the lady who sung it, eh? XD

Well... I love the beatles I guess that's why I enjoyed it

All the fuss the people are making through their judgements about someone trying to make a joyful noise unto the lord... present a perfect picture of holier than thou types that make me happy to stay home. There's no praise in their hearts for a willing servant, but only criticism and stone casting. I'll bet those are the same types of people who would criticize Christ himself.

After reading thr the pages of answers concerning this topic.. Is this song really aproperiate at church? I wanted to share another similar occurrence I experience just a week ago in a church I visited.

Another song written by John Lennon was played while it was requested we listen and pray to our Lord as we listened. The song was "Help Me to Help Myself"

I feel today much is brought into the church that shouldn't be. And in my opinion I would rather the sermons be kept to scriptures, and what I believe God had intended for us to know.

When I spoke to the Pastor about the song being played and what Lennon was said to example and believe. His response was that God brings good out of everything. I can't say that I disagree with his statement.

However scripture also tells us, Jeremiah 23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? Saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:31 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.
James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

It is those teaching, scriptures, that cause me to believe that man may think that God needs his help, when indeed God does his own work perfectly and doesn't need man to change or add to His Words by using other means of teaching.. God's Work is good from the start..

James 1: 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Much of the scriptures talk of being aware of false teaching, which is shown from the beginning of time how easy we are mislead.

So I don't feel the song should have been exampled in church.

I agree... I don't really like that "Help me to help my self"

It sounds like, they are almost taking advantage of what the lord can do.

Hmm... I wouldn't play that at church, no.

Hmm... I wouldn't play that at church, no.

No. Not appropriate.

The song is COMPETLEY inappropriate in a Christian Church worship service. OH! I like the song... but has NOTHING to do with Jesus! And there will be no peace on earth till the Prince of Peace rules and reigns. (and I ain't talking about Obama... hee hee sorry bad joke)

I actually like that song, but to like it I have to forget what it stands for and what its trying to say. TERRIBLE song to play in church, very inappropriate. And since we are talking about the song (although this has nothing to do with your question, sorry:)) The song says taking away those things will stop people from fighting and bring peace. In reality peace in itself is something people fight for and really if we didn't have anything in our lives worth fighting for, what would our lives be like? I don't think I'd care to know.