McCain who has already campaigned from the center and needs to convince the right wing that he is the best candidate left for them ?

Or

Obama and Evita who have drifted further left and the campaign progressed trying to attract the wing ?

McCain is the favorite if he packages and markets correctly, and the economy behaves.

I agree. I think McCain will be the candidate.

And I think that if Hillary is the candidate for the Dems then McCain will win.

... UNLESS the Dem ticket is Hillary/Obama or Obama/Hillary.

McCain. I think his resurgence has shown security is still crucial to Americans and they will not accept surrender, they find his candor and the fact he's not the panderer the others are refreshing, and they're looking for a strong leader - not a bunch of obscure rhetoric, "change" and "Day One" slogans.

Whether we like it or not one of McCain's strengths is his appeal to independents and moderates and he is the only candidate on either side to take a commanding lead. Add Hillary's character issues and Obama's inexperience and vague plans for change to the fact the Dems are running the most liberal and 16th most liberal Senator of last year and I think McCain is a lock.

I heard someone say McCain's turning point was the Bhutto assassination and it could be, Americans do not want to trust Evita or Obama with their security. Do you? Anyone?

It's going to get ugly though, the DNC is already running with showing "the American people that he's (McCain) not who they think he is" and portraying a win for him as "nothing more than a third Bush term." The GOP hasn't even begun to fight Hillary or Obama and that bodes well for McCain if the GOP will get behind him and give him some time to just be McCain while the Dems battle each other.

On the other hand the Democratic grass roots has become a machine and I think the Republican side is way behind in that area.

Steve

I will wager that more will be made of McCain's anger problem than Hillary's; the press will not treat him fairly.

I will wager that more will be made of McCain's anger problem than Hillary's; the press will not treat him fairly.

That's definitely a no-brainer, they'll be brutal before long.

I'm not concerned about the DNC attacks on him . I'm more concerned about unfair attacks by NewsMax ,other conservatives and Vets groups who plan to smear him .

John McCain's Temper Preceded Vietnam (http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/8/30/123006.shtml)

Newsmax.com - Limbaugh Keeps Up Fire on McCain (http://www.newsmax.com/politics/Limbaugh_Keeps_Up_Fire_on/2008/02/06/70749.html?s=al&promo_code=44A2-1)

Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain (http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/)

I'm not concerned about the DNC attacks on him . I'm more concerned about unfair attacks by NewsMax ,other conservatives and Vets groups who plan to smear him .

Yep, and they might as well get used to the thought of him being the nominee. They aren't going to get their guy - whoever he is - back in the race unless it's as VP.

Hellooooo:

Is anybody home?? It's the WAR, people! Your party is busted beyond recognition. HALF your party HATES the nominee. The other half might just vote for the Democrat.

Whomever the Democrats nominate will sweep the boards. Plus, they're going to get their 61 seat majority back in the senate and take a lot more house seats.

Bush has soooo screwed you, it's going to take YEARS for you to recover.

excon

Isn't nothing like the prospect of Broom Hilda in the White House to unify the Republicans .

aint nothing like the prospect of Broom Hilda in the White House to unify the Republicans .

It definitely trumps my reservations of McCain :D

YouTube - Hillary Clinton Cackle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxZUFzGWzkY&NR=1)

It appears John McCain will be the nominee, but this is not sitting well for the Republican party. Huckabee's support appears to have only strengthened and it's very telling that both Paul and himself are continuing in the race. McCain, provided he's not railroaded by his own party and ends up with the nomination, had better pick a very fiscal conservative partner that's also somewhat of social conservative. At this point I think short of Ronald Reagan resurrecting from the dead or Hillary disenfranchising Barack's supporters, we will have a Democrat president.


Bobby

It will end up McCain vs. Obama.

**EDIT**

Obama will win.

McCain vs Clinton. Clinton will win.

McCain vs Clinton, McCain. Too much Hillary antipathy.

McCain vs Obama. Obama if 1] the money keeps coming in and 2] the "youth" actually vote.

You make an important point about the youth vote. To illustrate it ;the girl who had a YouTube hit about having a crush on Obama was a no show at the NJ Primary(a State Obama lost ) . She claimed she got sick on a plane back from the superbowl... but that did not stop her from attending a party Super Tues night.

aint nothing like the prospect of Broom Hilda in the White House to unify the Republicans .It's amazing how you simply cannot get past the fact that she's a woman. It permeates your every comment about that candidate.

Mcain vs. Hillary ( I still don't understand why she's referred to as Broom Hilda... I honestly don't see her acting any different than any of the other candidates. I actually asked about the Broom Hilda Term on another thread and did get good responses but how does one know the negative stories are true?)

There are times I think Hillary will be going against McCain but the past couple of days
Seemed like Obama is picking up great momentum.

So I guess it's a toss up. But if push comes to shove...

McCain vs. Hillary

With Hillary winning.

Actually I usually use Evita or Madame Defarge (who knitted the names of people she would deal with later in a quilt) ;just thought I'd change it up with Broomhilda . But if you prefer I will use Hillary Rotten Clintoon .

Evita is my preferred name because she is reminiscent of former First Lady of Argentina Eva Peron ;who also latched onto an up and coming politician ;furthered her own ambitions through the relationship and tired to parley her connection into elected office.

That is Hillary's bio in a nutshell. She actually has succeeded far beyond what Eva Peron did (she died before her ambition was realized ) . But Evita was much more beloved in her country (there is hope for us yet) .

She has been an integral part of the Clintoon political machine. She ran interference for hubby when " bimbo eruptions " (their description of the many women who accused him of assault /rape or other sexual perversions )threatened to derail his political rise. Who can forget her blaming the Monica Lewinsky scandal on the "vast right wing conspiracy " .

During her time in the White House she was given a task of reforming Health care . Her radical leftist solutions would've been a disaster and the country realized it . She bungled the effort so badly that she was never given any other serious issue to manage beyond as I said ,the Clinton sexcapades.

Yet , she moved like a carpetbagger to New York after their term and browbeat other Democrats like JFK Jr. who were planning on a Senatorial run to back off.

She got lucky in that Rudy got prostrate cancer and had to bow out of the race . There were no other Republicans with the name recognition who could compete with her in the state. Still Rick Lazio made a good effort.

But during their debate there was an incident that illustrated how she would handle the gender issue. Lazio approached her podium and asked her to sign a pledge to not use "soft money " during the campaign . The incident was treated by her and the NY Slimes and other press as Lazio "muscling into her space" . Lazio's actions were later pronounced to be "almost like a physical assault.....a huge turnoff to women."



MR. PENN also said Mrs. Clinton benefited most famously during the first of three debates when Mr. Lazio strode over to her side of the stage, waved a paper in her face and demanded she sign it to disavow the use of soft money in her campaign. ''You cannot be in a woman candidate's face,'' said Celinda Lake, a Democratic pollster who is researching the nature of the women's vote. ''Women feel like guys are always in their face like that. It's almost like a physical assault. It's a huge turnoff to women.''

The Election: It Took a Woman; How Gender Helped Elect Hillary Clinton - New York Times (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F01E1DF1238F931A25752C1A9669C8B 63)

Bingo... she forever has the female victim gender card at her disposal ;and she has used it very effectively in this race . Every time she sheds a tear her approval rating goes up.

Maureen Dowd ;one of the leading voices for women's rights in the press figued this out a couple of months ago.



If the gender game worked when Rick Lazio muscled into her space, why shouldn't it work when Obama and Edwards muster some mettle? If she could become a senator by playing the victim after Monica, surely she can become president by playing the victim now.


Gift of Gall - New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/opinion/04dowd.html?ex=1351828800&en=f66d95a35ed70876&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink)
She played the men against the helpless women very effectively when John Edwards was still in the race. After one of their debates she complained to Katie Couric that the men were using a "buddy System"against her.
Clinton On Her Win, Rivals' "Buddy System", Hours After Her N.H. Win, Comeback Clinton Raps Her Opponents - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/09/eveningnews/main3693731.shtml)

She later returned to Wellesley College and in a speech said :


"In so many ways, this all-women's college prepared me to compete in the all-boys club of presidential politics."

Before her New Hampshire win she said during a debate that she had "her feelings hurt" during the debate, followed by suitably downcast eyes and said "... but I'll get over it." I am convinced that her girlie act was what helped her defeat Obama in New Hampshire. New Hampshire women over 40 years old defied the pundits, and rushed to the polls in untold droves to vote for their trampled, tired sister.

As Dowd points out you can't have it both ways .You can't both be tough enough to be the President and then pull out the helpless women act when it suits the purpose.

It is of course very manipulative .But that has been a halmark of Hillary's life. She weeps when she is attacked(even though she claims to disdain appearances of emotion) ;meanwhile she sends her attack dog hubby and his goons all over the country to smear her opponents . Her operatives have played the race card against Obama ;the drug use card , and were one of the first to suggest that he has some deep dark secret that he is a Muslim in the closet card .

That is just one of the many problems I have with her. She is a scary person. How did FBI files end up in her White House offices and what did she do with them ? Why is it that many of the leading Democrats like Mark Warner of Va. Back out of this race because "he wanted to spend more time with his family " ?

She knew that New York's Orthodox and Hasidic communities would be a hard sell, as they were expressing their personal dislike for her and her positions, particularly regarding Israel. During her Senate race she campaigned in the conservative Hasidic community of New Square where she met with community leader Rabbi Twersky .All the polls showed Lazio having a comfortable lead in the community before her meeting .But election results showed that Hillary won by over 99% of the vote 1359 to 10 .What Happened ?

Turns out that 4 members of the community were convicted of starting up a fake religious school and embezzeled $40 million in Pell grants . Guess what... hubby added these 4 criminals to his end of term pardon list just 1 month after Hillary won . Oh and how did 2 similar Hasidic communities in the area vote ? Lazio won them 3500 to 150 . Quid pro quo ? I think so.

I could go on and on . How did she make a killing in cattle futures scandal ; Whitewater scandal; Records from her law firm disappearing and ending up in her office ;the horrible way she treated her secret service contingent ;the many campaign finance scandals she has been involved in.. I just don't have enough time to detail all of the problems I have with her.

Wow Tom,

That's a lot of work you did and I thank you. I will take the time to read and hopefully absorb what is there.

I'd really like to get a grip and clear vision of many things. This being one. So I will consider your great efforts another resource to consider.

When the news is on - hubby translates for me... bless his soul he means well, but I can't get my head around some of it so I end up not knowing what to think.

Thank you!

Hello again, All:

Yeah, that tom is a great researcher. She sure ain't great...

But, I'll make your decision an easy one for you. If you like the war in Iraq, McCain is your man. If you don't, Hillary is your chick.

excon

Ex - I still have to read all of Tom's research.

But that's how I was leaning towards Hillary or Obama. So I was focusing on Hillary to start and watched her speak, I like how she handled herself, the things I understood her to say, I liked, so I was starting to feel good.

But then there seems to be this underground static associated with her. But then there is any canadate I guess.

Anyway, I have homework to do :).

One thing I do know, is I do not want this war anymore. I want them home.

Hillary said in a structred manner - she was going to start bringing them home and McCain said, well you all know what he said.

Thanks Ex

I like Obama, because he's not like all the others and a change is definetely needed. Too bad about Ron Paul.

Are you so sure about what she will do?. or for that matter what Obama will do ? Oh they say they will withdraw all right but when they were pinned down during the debates none of the Democrats would commit to withdrawal even as late as the end of their 1st 4 year term. Both Hillary and Obama also have pledged long term US presence in the region... perhaps not in Iraq.. they prefer to use vague terms like strategic withdrawal to places in the periphery .

I like Obama, because he's not like all the others and a change is definetely needed. Too bad about Ron Paul.


I like him too and the expereince thing, I think is actually a no thing. He can just surround himself with outstanding individuals, like they all try and do.

Hillary caught my interest on a couple of issues and I wanted to examine them both.

Actually, I took the poll on the web, even though it was dated it came out

1) Obamba
2) HIllary
3) McCain

I used to LOVE McCain and it's not like I dislike him, but some things just need to end.

McCain's whole "100 year war in Iraq" statement is a big turnoff.

Are you so sure about what she will do ? ....or for that matter what Obama will do ? Oh they say they will withdraw alright but when they were pinned down during the debates none of the Democrats would commit to withdrawal even as late as the end of their 1st 4 year term. Both Hillary and Obama also have pledged long term US presence in the region ...perhaps not in Iraq ..they prefer to use vague terms like strategic withdrawal to places in the periphery .


See this is what sends me in a swirl.

Why can't they just say what the are actually going to do... If the win, then the American people are fully behind them... If they don't... then there policies are NOT what the American people want, so concede the loss and count their millions and go do good somewhere else.

Why do they have to make is so darn difficult. I know it's naïve to want an open and upfront canadate by darn, they get you to vote for them and then just run and do what they want anyway? How is that a democracy.

How gosh darn hard would it be to stand up and say what they truly wish to do.

Is it more complicated than that? Am I oversimplifing?

McCain's whole "100 year war in Iraq" statement is a big turnoff.

Yeah, it means he won't cut and run, he'll do whatever it takes. That is a really big turnoff.

She knew that New York's Orthodox and Hasidic communities would be a hard sell, as they were expressing their personal dislike for her and her positions, particularly regarding Israel. During her Senate race she campaigned in the conservative Hasidic community of New Square where she met with community leader Rabbi Twersky .All the polls showed Lazio having a comfortable lead in the community before her meeting .But election results showed that Hillary won by over 99% of the vote 1359 to 10 .What Happened ?

Excellent, tom. Speaking of the Jewish community and Hillary, this is how Jonah Goldberg described her sudden onset of emotions (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZWVjYzBmOGFkNGRkOWM5YTdjMjk0YjU5YjMxNDIwN2Y=):


Hillary, meanwhile, is staying aloft largely through her ability to guilt-trip female liberals into sticking with her. Her cultivated weepiness and dour lamentations about how she’s been so picked on sometimes make it seem like she’s setting up a political version of one of those “how-does-a-Jewish-mother-change-a-lightbulb?” jokes. Answer: “It’s all right; I’ll just sit in the dark.”

Recall how her crying jag in New Hampshire, which apparently turned things around for her, was all about how important it is to her to be president. Message: vote for Obama; I’ll just sit here in the dark. Indeed, I’ve lost count of how many stories I’ve heard on public radio about Democratic women deciding to vote for Hillary out of guilt.

LOL, exactly right. He's also right on the differences between the Democratic and Republican races. For Republicans "at least it’s an argument about something." For the Dems, "a campaign about nothing."

For Republicans "at least it’s an argument about something." For the Dems, "a campaign about nothing."You guys are the biggest mud slingers on this board that for sure. :D

Before I wish you all a good day - I do once again want to thank you for your patience on this thread and the 9/11 thread. Also for your time and sharing all that knowledge you possess, which you have worked very hard for, but I also feel you all are very gifted.

You may sit on opposite sides of some of the issues, or maybe all the issues but you have something in common and that is incredible brillance. You all are very talented and how good of you to share it. Whether you know it or not you encourage each other to push further and want better.

What a great country that we live in, as well as those similar to ours, where debates like this can freely exsist.

I thank you again. I will take my Hilliary information home and read up and see what the young lady has been up to :).

Enjoy the day and keep bringing out the best in each other.

Thanks guys.

Sorry I am so sappy - but a little sugar never hurt anyone.

Behave :)

You guys are the biggest mud slingers on this board that for sure. :D

I didn't write it, I just reported it. You're more than welcome to rebut him :D

Get ready for it… Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States. Barring some unforeseen mistake on his part; anybody running against him looks weak and boring. Poor Hillary and she thought this was her year.

How do I know this, I don't, but I do believe it. The strange thing is I initially didn't expect to see him get past Super Tuesday. He will get Ohio and possible Texas in spite of the Hispanic vote.

Yeah I saw his campaign HQ in Texas today in the news. It has a banner of Che Guevara prominently displayed .

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/obama-che.jpg

Yeah I saw his campaign HQ in Texas today in the news. It has a banner of Che Guevara prominently displayed .
He doesn’t miss a lot... Che Guevara, great choice:p he is way ahead in the fundraising race and that speaks loud in itself.

His new campaign slogan "Che you can believe in "

Guess he is not counting on picking up that Florida delegation. But he is trying to make inroads with the Hispanic community ? Not sure putting up a flag with a cult like Marxist psychotic is such a good idea... diverts attention from his rock star status.

Yeah, though communism may have lost its fire, he remains the potent symbol of rebellion and the alluring zeal of revolution.

Little Green Footballs has the images:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20080211ObamaCheHouston.jpg

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20080211ObamaCheHouston2.jpg

They also have his response:
(http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28922_Obama_Responds_to_Che_Guevara_Flag_Fl ap&only&headline)

“The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign.”

Reportedly however, “Paid staffers for the Obama campaign are expected to man the offices by the end of the week.”

Also, lyrics for the National Anthem at Obama rallies will be changed to "Oh, Che can you see..." :D

Steve
P.S. In case any of you young Obama supporters don't know about Che, Mike Adams offers a little insight. (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MikeSAdams/2007/07/31/che!_youve_got_to_hide_your_love_away?page=full&comments=true)

"Oh, Che can you see..." Got to love it

You know how it is in political elections, sometimes people get carried away with…symbolism over substance. I suppose the people who put up the image was just trying to symbolize “Change.” But who the Hell knows.

I expect when his staffers come in they will redecorate with something more appropriate.

wouldn't it be interesting if obama stays neck and neck, then loses the nomination to hillary due to superdelegates? Talk about yet again another bunch of "disenfranchised" dems, only this time from within their own house.

uhmm...

I can't even begin to decide who will win. The gop'ers think the dems are liberal idiots who can't pay for their bigger govt and the dems think the gop has blindly followed the prez into another round of deficit spending. Hmmm.. could they both be right?? =)

this is the point when my wife says we are playing I&A. meaning idiots and a$$holes. Sit back and label. Its not too hard. Some are even I and A.

I think its unwise to blow off obama's chances. g.h.w.bush had a lot more experience and was an incumbent and lost to the "charismatic" candidate. If he loses the nomination to hillary, even though there will be some discouraged, the dems have been showing up in record numbers. Heck, I saw three rep's switch to dem at the caucus to vote for obama. Don't care if you don't agree with him... he seems to be able to raise money and charge people. That goes a long way in an election.

not to mention some gop'ers are saying hillary is actually more conservative than mccain and are willing to let the dems take the hit if hillary gets the nom and the economy keeps turning down.

I live in Iowa. First in the nation to screw the nation. There is something wrong with the system when a significant number of candidates drop out within the first dozen or less states.

also, if the far right gop'ers play the "i can't vote for mccain" card, theyd better still go to the polls or they could lose a lot of other representation.

and lets not forget the likely supreme court nominations that should be coming up in the next term or two.

so if mccain gets the nomination, which he should, does he choose a conservative for vp to draw in the party or does he choose someone like lieberman to try to draw in indies?

You know how it is in political elections, sometimes people get carried away with…symbolism over substance. I suppose the people who put up the image was just trying to symbolize “Change.” But who the Hell knows.

I don't know DC, with all of "dictator huggers" in Hollywood that love Chavez, Fidel, the Mahdi Hatter...

I don't know DC, with all of "dictator huggers" in Hollywood that love Chavez, Fidel, the Mahdi Hatter...More lies.

More lies.

Tsk, tsk, NK. Surely you should know by now if I make the claim I'm going to be able support it.


American filmmaker Oliver Stone praised President Hugo Chavez (http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/29/hollyweird-hugo-chavez-fan-club-oliver-stone-signs-up/) on Friday as the Venezuelan leader launched a mission to airlift three hostages held by leftist rebels out of Colombia’s jungles.

Stone, standing near Chavez, said he was working on a film and hoped to accompany the humanitarian operation into Colombia.

“I’m doing a documentary about Latin America and also about North America. You have to wait around to see it,” Stone told reporters. He said he planned to take part in the mission, calling it a “beautiful, great process.”

“I’m hoping it works. I’m all for this,” Stone said.

The Oscar-winning director, who made a 2003 documentary about Cuban President Fidel Castro as well as the movie “Platoon,” called Chavez a “great man” and said “I’m a fan.”

Urging Stone to speak with reporters, Chavez told him in accented English: “The girls want to see you!” He joked that Stone was President Bush’s “envoy.”

“There are some good Americans. That’s why I’m here, to remind you,” Stone said.


British supermodel Naomi Campbell has interviewed Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez, describing him as a "rebel angel" (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hSoMEZ8yu2xp63DbQLq4MXf3KjyQ) who is unafraid to speak his mind but poses no threat to democracy...

"I'd always heard Hugo Chavez was a people's president and I wanted to see if that was true... I didn't want to judge Chavez, or probe him for his political views, even though he gave them freely," she wrote.

Chavez also has fans in Kevin Spacey, Sean Penn and Danny Glover (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2801025.ece). Penn of course hasn't found a dictator he doesn't love. :D

i would like Obama to win because he would be the first black prz

Is that the main reason?

How about Hanoi Jane Fonda, I mean there is just no end to them.

The amount of repugs that are member of White Power groups is stunning, most will deny the Holocaust as well.

The amount of repugs that are member of White Power groups is stunning, most will deny the Holocaust as well.

Good comeback, NK. :rolleyes:

al1012 agrees: what is wrong with Obama? i dont know whats going on but i am slowly getting into it

Obama is a swell guy I'm sure, but first of all he is the most liberal senator in congress which goes against my every fiber, and he is extremely vague. As I pointed out earlier the Democratic campaign appears to be about nothing but who can win what group of people. Where's the substance? Jonah Goldberg says it "boils down to who is a more authentic agent of “change.” What does that mean? What does he stand for?

As a Texas conservative, I'm seriously thinking about going to the Dem primary and voting for Hillary. Reasons: 1. Obama scares me. He reads those teleprompters so beautifully and empty heads swoon. (Wonder who writes those speeches?) He seems to be running for president of the world. 2. If Texas goes for Hillary, she might stand a prayer, otherwise, she's done. 3. Hillary would be easier for McCain to beat. I don't really like him either, but our options are limited. What do you think?

"McCain. I think his resurgence has shown security is still crucial to Americans and they will not accept surrender"..

Surrender?? Do you mean withdrawing our forces from Iraq? That would not be surrender. It would be smart. Then we could concentrate on our BORDERS and keeping terrorists oput with the use of our military . After all they are supposed to defend US!!

I am more sure than ever that we need to all get together and say we are NOT happy with ANY of the choices and come up with one of our own that actually is for the people and by the people. Now more than ever the candidates are all going to put us in a globalization thing that we are going to regret.
I have said for years that Bush had no intention of closing the border or getting rid of illegal aliens because he had an agenda for them to be here and it wasn't work... but an easier way to push for Big Brother and globalization.
Obama already is in on the globalization initiative bill they are trying to pass. Some people call it the Obama initiative. We are going to end up the same with any of them but with Hillary it will be disaster because she only wants power for herself and *the little guy* she is so invested in will find out he means NOTHING to her grand scheme of self grandiose.
Obama is scary because change can mean ANYTHING and I have a very sure feeling it isn't what we want or need.
McCain is SOMETHING to worry about because he is a wolf in a sheep costume that doesn't fit.

Looking forward to your reply to this
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/now-who-wants-tell-me-184461.html

I am more sure than ever that we need to all get together and say we are NOT happy with ANY of the choices and come up with one of our own that actually is for the people and by the people. Now more than ever the candidates are all going to put us in a globalization thing that we are going to regret.
I have said for years that Bush had no intention of closing the border or getting rid of illegal aliens because he had an agenda for them to be here and it wasn't work....but an easier way to push for Big Brother and globalization.
Obama already is in on the globalization initiative bill they are trying to pass. Some people call it the Obama initiative. We are going to end up the same with any of them but with Hillary it will be disaster because she only wants power for herself and *the little guy* she is so invested in will find out he means NOTHING to her grand scheme of self grandiose.
Obama is scary because change can mean ANYTHING and I have a very sure feeling it isn't what we want or need.
McCain is SOMETHING to worry about because he is a wolf in a sheep costume that doesn't fit.

Looking forward to your reply to this
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/now-who-wants-tell-me-184461.html

Third party candidates muck up elections; this is how we got Clinton, in my view. Participate, relax, and trust the American people, not in their attempt to elect panderers and vote buyers, but in determining good, effective leadership. Carter was elected; so what? He was ineffectual and replaced by the most dynamic leader of our generation. It can happen again. In any event, I believe it is critical that we get leadership to change the course we are headed down: governmental bankruptcy because of the Great Society and its progeny. We need a Congress with the guts to confront the future. Kind of makes you want to bring back 'term limits'.

I know but what I am saying is we need to take the next few months to get people to realize that the choices are not an option we have to make it a nationwide thing and not let it be a third party but more of a take over type thing where everybody unanimously wants something other than these so called choices.
The government we have now is passing laws behind our back that is going to cause us great harm and no freedom within the next few years and then it may be too late to stand up against their corruptness.

They already say that approximately a third of the Republicans feel disenfranchised not having a decent candidate to vote for so they don't plan on voting as it is.

NOhelp4u says: "They already say that approximately a third of the Republicans feel disenfranchised not having a decent candidate to vote for so they don't plan on voting as it is." This observation is covered very well in the topic about whether one regrets having voted for President Bush. Party politics is a given and works; it is effective. The U.S. has historically embraced two party politics; it is 'tried and true'. It is very unsatisfying to look only at this election cycle or another as if it is the last great chance or opportunity. We are enjoying a process, not the 'end-all or be-all'.

The future will tell.
But everything I have ever said as far as the direction we are headed has always ended up happening and I am sure it is going to be a worse mess than ever within the next few years with anyone of these *choices* and worse yet if the Rhino McCain does end up next Pres whatever happens WILL be blamed on the Republicans worse than it already has been with Bush.

Bush will not be judged harshly, as he is in the mainstream media. I've been around awhile and quit watching TV news in 1970, including "60 Minutes", when it became obvious to anyone with half a brain that the media is pushing an agenda. Bush deserves much better and he will get it, and live to enjoy it; just watch, or read, or listen.

Sorry George, that's just not the case. He has already indeed been judged harshly anywhere that people congregate, it has nothing to do with the kind of media it is. Of course he will enjoy the rest of his life as he is flush with money, his stock portfolio has risen considerably while he's been in office - weird coincidence that.

I don't care which one becomes President; so long as they get back to the war on terrorism that Bush has never started. I think that that is a question that should be put to each of them.