This is an honest question and I’m looking for an honest answer. Since I can remember Democrats talk about what a lousy country this is and constantly complain about the “unfairness” of life, the “evils” of big business, the never-shrinking scourge of racism and homophobia, and the inevitable demise of planet Earth via greed, pollution, unnecessary wars, etc. etc. with hand-wringing, gloom-and-doom despair. :rolleyes:

How is this question different then "Do you still beat your wife" type questions?

I never beat my wife and in case you didn't notice the subject matter is different.

I guess I went over your head a little there. You set up a fallacy of many questions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_many_questions) ("always been the cry-baby Party") with plenty of inflammatory statements to follow. You expect people to take this thread seriously?

The question is not asking for a yes or no answer. Are you denying that Democrats talk about what a lousy country this is and constantly complain about the “unfairness” of life, the “evils” of big business, the never-shrinking scourge of racism and homophobia, and the inevitable demise of planet Earth via greed, pollution, unnecessary wars, etc. etc. with hand-wringing, gloom-and-doom despair?

Yep, I deny it. It's by-partisan.

I can't say that it is so. Like their policies or not ;there was a time when the Democrats were the party of optimism . FDR was a can -do type person .So was JFK . Even LBJ had big ideas. (well let me make a qualification... they have always complained about big business going all the way back to Jefferson )

The democratic party changed about the time of the Kennedy dynasty. They became a party of the stars and ever since they have had the idea that America holds the stars in such high esteem that they will vote according to how the stars might ask them to vote or the way the stars indicate that they might vote. Therefore the stars being the cry-baby institution of America, the same seems to apply to the democratic party.

Tom
I think, and maybe I'm wrong, that the Party changed in the 50's and 60's when the Democratic base, the social liberals or “New Left” which differed from earlier leftist movements that had been more oriented towards labor union activism, and instead adopted a broader definition of political activism commonly called social activism. This then developed into social justice organizations, moved into identity politics or alternative lifestyles.

You call it complaining. Others call it questioning. You are apparently happy with what you got now. Otherwise maybe you would question. Or would that make you a complaining Republican?

Others who strive for something better make their voice heard. If this is what the Dems do then all power to them. It is apparent that the view you have of them being a complaining, whinging, moaning, critical party is not shared by the majority of the country.

Has the Republican Part always been the unfair, big business's, racist, homophobic, greedy, war mongering, righteous, bible thumping party? Or has it only just become that recently?

Quote! Has the Republican Part always been the unfair, big business's, racist, homophobic, greedy, war mongering, righteous, bible thumping party? Or has it only just become that recently?***************************************

I think the Republican Party is now just what it has always been, I also think that the Democratic Party has become, in some part, the people that is always in a hurry to prove that they are right and if they are proved wrong then they apply the above quote to the ones who beat them.

Question what Skell… whether this is a lousy country or not. Certainly the majority of the country doesn’t call it complaining, whining, and moaning…the majority are Democrats with their hand out. Kennedy was a Democrat and did not have his hand out and neither did the Democrats then. Since him the Party changed from, “Ask not what the country can do for you, but what you can do for the country,” to “Ask not what you can do for the country, but what can the country do for me. :p

Ask not what you can do for the country, but what can the country do for me. :pHello DC:

You really don't pay much attention, do you? Is it your claim that big business doesn't also ask what the country can do for them?? Do the Republicans listen to their sniveling? They do. Do the Republicans open the cash window for them? They do.

In the proposed 2009 budget, Bush — who insists that every answer to the country's health care woes can be found in the private sector — has left largely untouched the big subsidies that prop up the private Medicare Advantage insurance plans. Eliminating these unjustified subsidies could save Medicare more than $50 billion over five years and $150 billion over 10 years.

This is just one example of the crybaby Republicans getting what they want. What happened to the idea of EARNING your way?

Did you not know about that stuff? Is it fine with you that the cash window is open to Republicans but not to Democrats? I think it is. Don't Republicans snivel about the "evils" of drugs, and the "evils" of habeas corpus? Don't you rail about how terrible illegal immigration is and how gay marriage is going to destroy us? Yes, I think you do.

Nope. You don't pay attention at all.

excon

There are those people out there, or here, that hate and detest rugged individualism and decentralized, self-government. Here is an interesting speech that provides some historical perspective: Rugged Individualism Speech (http://www.pinzler.com/ushistory/ruggedsupp.html)

This is "McGovernism": The return of McGovernism? McGovernism never went away. It has been the ideology of the Democratic Party since 1972. The political Genesis of McGovernism: Stalin sympathizer Henry Wallace begat George McGovern (activist in Wallace's 1948 presidential campaign) and George McGovern begat Bill Clinton (McGovern's campaign manager in Texas in 1972). Jeane Kirkpatrick's denunciation of the San Francisco Democrats is just as valid today as it was back in 1984.

George I think you just nailed it.

excon, business and government are joined at the hip, one can't exist with-out the other…Of course Socialist just can't seem to understand this.

The last time I checked, it’s the republicans that are the crybabies. I mean, listen to rush Limbaugh. All he does is cry about liberals and how America isn’t tough enough on blowing up random 3rd world countries. Or they cry about how they want limited government and low taxes, but the congress that was majority republican for most of bush's term outspent any other congress in history. Or they cry about limited government, but then they pass all sorts of government intrusive acts like the patriot act. The last time I checked most democrats only cry about one thing, George bush ruining our country and possibly the world.

maybe I'm not a good democrat, because I couldn't care less about pro choice, I couldn't care less about health care, I couldn't care less about the war, I couldn't care less about anything that doenst have to do with me. I don't know about all democrats, but I don't really cry about anything except the fact that my dog poops all over the floor in my house

interinfinity: What a lie: "I mean, listen to rush Limbaugh. All he does is cry about liberals and how America isn't tough enough on blowing up random 3rd world countries."
Not even a little-bitty, white lie; but a whopper.
Next time you try to identify yourself as a democrat, use the capital "D" as in Demorcrat.

Whatever happened to the FDR Democrats that demanded unconditional surrender from ithe Japanese?

I do have to agree that there has been enough whining and complaining on the Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter side of the Republican partty.

excon says: "Bush — who insists that every answer to the country's health care woes can be found in the private sector — has left largely untouched the big subsidies that prop up the private Medicare Advantage insurance plans." You really can't be that naïve and disingenuous, can you? Firstly, Medicare is the brainchild of Johnson and his fascist cronies. Secondly, "Medicare Advantage" is "Medicare" for those who elect to get their coverage in that manner. It is no more a "prop up" than Part B in the existing system. You should be ashamed. To say that you 'cherry-pick' your arguments is too generous.
See generally: Medicare (United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States))

I like grapes.