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ineedhelpfast
Feb 4, 2008, 10:55 PM
Why is it wrong can anyone tell me?

In all sincerity is murder wrong and why is it wrong

hollylovesbrandon
Feb 4, 2008, 10:58 PM
this is a tricky question. Just think, how would you feel is some random person walked up and killed one of your loved ones. What kind of emotions would you have? That is why it is wrong.

ineedhelpfast
Feb 4, 2008, 10:59 PM
Its wrong because it makes me angry. There are other things that get me mad

hollylovesbrandon
Feb 4, 2008, 11:00 PM
Yes, but other things can be undone. That cannot.

George_1950
Feb 4, 2008, 11:02 PM
Definition: murder: "The unlawful killing of another human being without justification or excuse." That sounds pretty wrong.

ineedhelpfast
Feb 4, 2008, 11:02 PM
Lying cannot be undone and someon lies to me it hurts and gets me mad. Please I need to know

hollylovesbrandon
Feb 4, 2008, 11:03 PM
Murder cannot be justified in most cases. There is not an answer to your question, it's just wrong for all the reasons you would think it's wrong. If you are thinking of murder I would suggest going to see a therapist.

ineedhelpfast
Feb 4, 2008, 11:04 PM
So just because a book says its wrong makes it wrong books like the dictionary change all the time. There has to a better a reason

Not thinking of it all. I just want to know who says its wrong. I know that governments create laws to protect, but whose to say that what their definition of right is. What makes it wrong

George_1950
Feb 4, 2008, 11:08 PM
There is killing, just every day, normal killing; and then there is unlawful killing, which is wrong. So you should distinguish between lawful killing and unlawful killing. What examples of lawful killing can you come up with? There is also killing that is justified and/or excused; what examples can you come up with of this kind of killing? It is an interesting question. You won't find the answer in your dictionary because that is not what a dictionary is for.

ineedhelpfast
Feb 4, 2008, 11:10 PM
Whose to say what's right and what's wrong

George_1950
Feb 4, 2008, 11:14 PM
Justifiable homicide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justifiable_homicide)

ineedhelpfast
Feb 4, 2008, 11:17 PM
I see I'm going now where with this so ill explain

People believe that there is no God. What do you think?

I believe there is. Hate me or love for it. The point I'm trying to make is if we came from nothing
Then there is no right and wrong. Who can say because we all just evolved from something else. So murder is survival of the fittest

ineedhelpfast
Feb 4, 2008, 11:21 PM
Or laws stopping us from doing anyhting crazy, like I said it's a law not what you think is right ma y not be right for someone else

simoneaugie
Feb 4, 2008, 11:21 PM
Murder is a choice many make. It is forgivable. Few people agree with me. That's OK. I do not believe that we can die. Life is eternal, but life is change. We forget that we are eternal. We forget that life is nothing but change.

Every situation is as it is supposed to be. We are all one thing. I can not hate my left foot because it stumbles the most. I can not hate anyone without loving them at the same time. It's all one thing.

What matters are the choices each of us is making, each moment. Who do you want to be?

ineedhelpfast
Feb 4, 2008, 11:22 PM
I believe that God put inside all of us a standard of right and wrong.
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simoneaugie
Feb 4, 2008, 11:26 PM
We are a part of God and we have allowed ourselves free choice. What do you choose? Who and what are you, right now?

ineedhelpfast
Feb 4, 2008, 11:31 PM
Well I'm not sure I know what you mean, but ill try and respond with this,
I am a child of God blood bought through His blood that was shed on the cross for me. So I am redeemed and forgiven, and I will thank with my life and into eternity in heaven with Him

Did that answer your question?

justcurious55
Feb 4, 2008, 11:39 PM
Well, when I think of murder, I think of unjustly ending an innocent life. So I think of it as being wrong because it's unfair to the person being murdered. I think that's why I don't see the death penalty as murder. Because the person dying because of the death penalty is guilty (at least hopefully there case was truly beyond a reasonable doubt) of doing something truly awful. But when you hear about stuff like that pregnant marine, or baby grace, those were innocent people. They hadn't done anything to deserve to die. But someone decided to end their lives anyway. So that's why its wrong

ISneezeFunny
Feb 5, 2008, 12:25 AM
I saw this topic, and my immediate reaction was... "is this kid serious?" but I think I see where you're going with this.

I think of it as stealing. Stealing is a pretty bad thing to do. You're taking something that doesn't belong to you. I will leave god out of this one.

By killing someone, you're stealing their life from them. You're stealing their ability to do whatever they wanted to do... you're stealing an entire lifetime of opportunities. Everyone has hopes, dreams, goals, things they enjoy, things they like to do... once you kill that person, you're taking away everything from them. Not only that, you're also stealing from people that enjoy that person's presence. You're stealing from their friends, family, and loved ones. You're stealing from society... something so unique.

You steal a car... it's wrong... but it can be replaced. You can't replace someone's laughter... someone's dreams... goals... their accomplishments and failures.

simoneaugie
Feb 5, 2008, 12:50 AM
If no one and nothing "ends" then dying is not a loss. We do not lose, we only make choices defining who we want to be.

Is killing a convicted murderer a step forward? Is killing an innocent person a step back? These are only choices, neither right nor wrong. I do not wish to murder, or to sanction it at the moment. That is my choice.

If I am not totally understandable to you today, that's OK. You are searching, and finding out about yourself. You are feeling angry about murder. Feeling angry is choice too, as much as we would like it to be someone else's fault. How would you like to be feeling?

pasiria
Feb 5, 2008, 01:19 AM
Think of this: Somebody kills your mom, then your sister or brother, then your grandma. Do you think it is right or wrong? Do you think that someone has the right to take those loved ones away from you? That make it wrong. Simple as that! Do you think it is right if someone murders you?

simoneaugie
Feb 5, 2008, 03:54 AM
If someone murders me, that is what happens. It does not have to be someone's fault, a wrongness. Besides, we don't end, we can't. We only change form. The person who murdered me is no different from me. They are a part of me, making choices.

cal823
Feb 5, 2008, 04:34 AM
Murder is ending someone's life without their permission (otherwise it is assisted suicide I guess).
If they do not want to die, then ending all of their life, which cannot be reversed, meaning they may never have any more existence (depends on whether afterlife exists) and that all of their oppertunities, freedoms, joys, life, etc, is cut short.
Do you have the right to take that from someone?
Do you have the right to cut short their chances at love, work, joy, cut short their search for good things and their chances at good things?
Id say that murder is wrong, it should be pretty obvious.
Lets say tomorrow was going to be the best day of your life, and you were going to go on a date with the person you love, and I killed you tonight.
Would you see that as being a right thing to do?

excon
Feb 5, 2008, 05:45 AM
Hello in:

Some people need God to tell them the difference between right and wrong. Some people don't. I belong to the second group.

Personally, I'm staying away from the first group. They're scary.

excon

NeedKarma
Feb 5, 2008, 06:09 AM
I think this question is set up for the OP to get a certain particular response. When that response is received then he/she will show the true topic of this thread.

JudyKayTee
Feb 5, 2008, 06:32 AM
well im not sure i know what you mean, but ill try and respond with this,
i am a child of God blood bought through His blood that was shed on the cross for me. so i am redeemed and forgiven, and i will thank with my life and into eternity in heaven with Him

did that answer your question?



No, because while you are Christian - and apparently reborn - everyone else may not be.

JudyKayTee
Feb 5, 2008, 06:42 AM
why is it wrong can anyone tell me?

in all sincerity is murder wrong and why is it wrong



This is a legal board and so I will answer in a legal manner - yes, because the law says it is.

Now, if you are talking morally or spiritually - wrong board.

ScottGem
Feb 5, 2008, 06:43 AM
I think excon's answer is the best one so far.

As I see it man is a social animal. This means he has to co-exist with others of his species. To be able to allows people to co-exist with each other, there has to be rules that govern how people interact. Otherwise we have tyranny and rule by might. Civilized man saw long ago that rule by might doesn't work well for any length of time.

In my opinion one of the reasons for the existence of religion is to instill in people that sense of right and morality that allows for people to co-exist. Whether those rules were handed to man by some divine authority (the 10 Commandments) or devised by philosophers who saw the good in those rules is a moot point and I'm not going to argue it either way.

The point is that civilized man has realized the need of such rules to allow for the growth of civilization. And such rules have stood the test of time and have been codified into the laws of political states.

ScottGem
Feb 5, 2008, 06:45 AM
This is a legal board and so I will answer in a legal manner - yes, because the law says it is.

Now, if you are talking morally or spiritually - wrong board.

Judy has an excellent point here. So I've moved this thread to the Philosophy forum.

bushg
Feb 5, 2008, 06:48 AM
Murder is right for the murder because they always justify it. Whether it is joe blow down the street, the government etc...
By the same token the family,friends or people that are left are the ones that say it is wrong because something has beeen taken from them. The dead can not tell us how they feel about it.
Ineedhelpfast... Do you think murder would be wrong if I wore a sign everyday that says "Do not murder me, I do not want to die"

I read a book that dealt with this question to some degree. It was called Conversations with God by Neale Donald Walsh. Are you by chance reading it or one in the series?
He was a little too deep for me so I did not read the whole series.

Allheart
Feb 5, 2008, 06:54 AM
Murder -1: to kill unlawfully and with premeditated malice

Yes, it is wrong and illegal. Why is it wrong? Because a life is no ones right to take away.

Just my opinion :)

kandyfruitcake
Feb 5, 2008, 07:35 AM
whose to say whats right and whats wrong


Your conscience should be telling you it's wrong, nothing to do with law of the land, or the Bible. If you feel any other way and you're on here looking for someone to make any attempt to justify it to you, to give yourself an excuse to murder or have already done so and are freaking out, then you either need to seek help, or hand yourself in. If you do not know the difference between right and wrong when it comes to murder and don't feel the same emotions and natural abhorrence that the majority of humanity do, then the chances are high that you are probably a psychopath. Not all psychopaths are killers, but it is a mental condition that requires attention for the sake of the individual, and people that they come into contact with.

We all get angry, we all harbour thoughts of revenge, we all, at some time in our lives, wish pain and hardship on others who have hurt us. Love turns to hate. Despair, euthanasia - there's a whole bunch of reasons that are individual to each of us on why we'd wish another human being gone. However, thinking and wishing are one thing - actually doing anything having them 'gone' is another thing entirely.

Murder creates ripples in a pond - that one stone thrown can create an impact on history. You kill someone - you're effectively emotionally killing their loved ones who have to live with their loss for the rest of their days, and guilt for not being able to prevent their death, or fearing that their loved ones felt abandoned when they needed them most. You do the same to your own family - they suffer for your crime. If they were young - then you've maybe caused a young husband or wife to struggle on alone, kids without a parent. If they're older - you've caused a parent to lose their child, possibly. Those people could have gone on to make a mark on history - they could have borne a child who would have made an impact. The implications are far reaching when a human being commits murder - the animal kingdom sanctions murder as a means of survival but we don't have that excuse.

George_1950
Feb 5, 2008, 09:19 PM
Simone asks: "Does lawfulness really change the nature of death?" From another angle, it changes the nature of life, say when an abused spouse kills her/his partner. Or a mother kills her unborn fetus. I'm not certain death has a nature; in my view, death is 'the end', w/o getting into religious connotations.

ineedhelpfast
Feb 5, 2008, 09:22 PM
Lol don't worry excon I'm just throwing a topic out there to get some perspective

George_1950
Feb 5, 2008, 09:25 PM
why is it wrong can anyone tell me?

in all sincerity is murder wrong and why is it wrong
Another perspective that I admire greatly: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Do you comprehend the meaning of the unalienable right to life?

See more: Right to life - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_life)

ineedhelpfast
Feb 5, 2008, 09:29 PM
Yeah man, thanks for the perspective:)

cozyk
Feb 18, 2008, 06:21 PM
Your conscience should be telling you it's wrong, nothing to do with law of the land, or the Bible. If you feel any other way and you're on here looking for someone to make any attempt to justify it to you, to give yourself an excuse to murder or have already done so and are freaking out, then you either need to seek help, or hand yourself in. If you do not know the difference between right and wrong when it comes to murder and don't feel the same emotions and natural abhorrence that the majority of humanity do, then the chances are high that you are probably a psychopath. Not all psychopaths are killers, but it is a mental condition that requires attention for the sake of the individual, and people that they come into contact with.

We all get angry, we all harbour thoughts of revenge, we all, at some time in our lives, wish pain and hardship on others who have hurt us. Love turns to hate. Despair, euthanasia - there's a whole bunch of reasons that are individual to each of us on why we'd wish another human being gone. However, thinking and wishing are one thing - actually doing anything having them 'gone' is another thing entirely.

Murder creates ripples in a pond - that one stone thrown can create an impact on history. You kill someone - you're effectively emotionally killing their loved ones who have to live with their loss for the rest of their days, and guilt for not being able to prevent their death, or fearing that their loved ones felt abandoned when they needed them most. You do the same to your own family - they suffer for your crime. If they were young - then you've maybe caused a young husband or wife to struggle on alone, kids without a parent. If they're older - you've caused a parent to lose their child, possibly. Those people could have gone on to make a mark on history - they could have borne a a child who would have made an impact. The implications are far reaching when a human being commits murder - the animal kingdom sanctions murder as a means of survival but we don't have that excuse.


Well put. I can't even believe this question is up for debate. Unless you are a psychopath, your "right vs. wrong" radar should be going off like crazy on the wrong side. Can't you just feel it in your gut that this is wrong? It is never right to take something that is not yours. Didn't we learn that in kindergarten?

Let me put it this way. Do you think it should be okay for me to kill you? Or someone that you loved? Of course not. We don't have the right to inflict harm on someone else unless it is in self defense.

I find the whole murder question a little disturbing.:confused:

Fr_Chuck
Feb 18, 2008, 07:25 PM
Well this is under the Philosophy topic, so with this we are not looking at what is legal, what is christian, or religious but what does it mean to a person in their way of thinking.

In Philosophy the view of life is that first often there is no god, so there is no absolute moral right and wrong, in Philosophy we can look at it as it would relate to others or merely to relate to just ourself.

If we are not looking at it for any legal or moral reason, then what is there but pure desire to satisfy our personal needs.

That is why of course we do have laws based in the moral fiber of society

nicki143
Feb 19, 2008, 09:37 AM
I have murdered my boyfriend a million times over in my dreams do not know if I could do it for real

mens_rea_oportet_actus_re
Mar 7, 2008, 11:27 AM
You asked whose to say what is right or wrong, relative to murder?
You decide.

Governments, religion, and society, in general, determines what is right for itself. They justify the most heinous crimes against humanity when their purpose is served. Look at every World War, Korean War, Viet Nam, the Crusades, the Salem Witch trials and cries for a "Holy War" for proof. Look at all the politicians and religious leaders that violate the very laws they would have you believe they are in support of.

You decide for yourself if the taking of another's life is right or wrong. Then weigh the consequences of your actions. Currently in our society it can potentially earn you life in prison or the death penalty.

However I do not recommend living your life out of fear of reprisal. Live your life to the fullest you are capable. And the rest of the world be damned.

inthebox
Mar 7, 2008, 10:37 PM
Along with those examples see... Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Darfur, Rwanda etc.
- philosophically speaking, murder is in the nature of a lot of human beings with or without religion or God.

I think excon's point is well taken and am glad that somehow, whether by religion, or by parental teaching, or something innate in our consciousness, most of us know murder is wrong.

Legally in the USA it is wrong but there is the death penalty and abortion?

How about in war ?

How about in self defense?

ineedhelpfast
Mar 7, 2008, 11:00 PM
You hit on a good point there, as far as when it is justified in war. I think that in war and times such as that it would be considered right, but who likes war, although not many people like it, sometimes force, being used reasonbly, is the only solution in these type of situations

leeg
Mar 8, 2008, 01:28 AM
Humans are the only species that "murder".

ineedhelpfast
Mar 8, 2008, 04:23 PM
That's because humans are the only creation made in the image of God. Animals don't think they do.

Credendovidis
Mar 10, 2008, 02:14 AM
Topic header :
In all sincerity is murder wrong and why is it wrong. Why is it wrong can anyone tell me?
There is only one reference here : morals / ethics.
And there is the golden rule : `Do not do to others what you do not want to be done to yourself´.
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Murder is wrong as it is an action that can not be reversed. There are too many wrong convictions, specially in the USA, where money and skincolor often decide if you are guilty or not. Too many innocent people have been murdered by the State.
The only way to prevent that is to stop with legalized murder, i.e. with capital punishment.
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However, also other forms of murder should be stopped or at least reduced to the minimum.
Therefore the possession and use of all fire weapons and dangerous knives should be strictly controlled.
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And war happy Pentagon generals and White House occupants should be controlled because their actions can invole a lot of killing too. Specially now-a-days in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, where many innocent people have lost their lives.
War is war, killing is killing, murder is murder.
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There is only one person who should have the right to decide to end your life, and that is you yourself. Nobody else.
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And that is why murder is wrong.
:rolleyes:

200702980
Mar 10, 2008, 02:18 AM
Yes murder is wrong:mad:

Credendovidis
Mar 10, 2008, 03:14 AM
YES MURDER IS WRONG:mad:
But are you prepared to expand to that, and for instance support guncontrol?
:rolleyes:

ineedhelpfast
Mar 10, 2008, 09:17 PM
Yes we all no murder is wrong, that was taken care of earlier, but the question is who says it is wrong, and who gives them that authority. I personally believe we are made in the image of god and hat god gave us moral conscience of right and wrong.

Fr_Chuck
Mar 11, 2008, 06:20 PM
But are you prepared to expand to that, and for instance support guncontrol?
:rolleyes:

Why do you believe gun control has any relastionship with murder ?
Explain yourself

albear
Mar 11, 2008, 06:36 PM
Yes murder in most cases is wrong but I believe that in some cases it isn't,