Is it currently taught or implied that it is in sex education? Should it be?

Fellatio is a form of birth control, not abstinence. :D

I don't think it is taught as abstinence considering the outrage the right wing moral police had over Bill Clinton's acts with Monica Lewinsky.

It is interesting to note that the statistics are out (as of a month or so ago) concerning the results of teaching abstinence to teenagers and any effect on their pregnancy rate. You guessed it, no effect. Teaching abstinence does not lower the rate of teen age pregnancies.

Hi Choux, but wasn't Clinton acquitted of the charge of having sex by the general public, leaving me to believe that the general public does not consider Fellatio an act of sex?

Let a 30 year old do it with a 14 year old and find out how fast they are convicted of sex with a minor

And to be honest it really does not matter what the general public think, they are often wrong, Ask any wife if she would think that is sex if her husband was doing it with another women?

No Clinton was not forgiven, just no one really cared what he did and more thought he was just stupid for lying about it to start with.

Hi Choux, but wasn't Clinton acquitted of the charge of having sex by the general public, leaving me to believe that the general public does not consider Fellatio an act of sex?
Acquitted? No. The public knew Clinton was a bone-headed, womanizing lier. The mainstream press always provided cover for their boy, saying it was 'private' and 'let Hillary handle this', and blah, blah, blah. The American public is not as cynical as you may think.

You asked: "Is fellatio a form of abstinence?" You have that smiley face by your question, I've noticed.

Last night in an interview Hillary Clinton said: "I never doubted Bill's love for me, ever, and I never doubted my faith and my commitment to our daughter and our extended family.
(EDIT: It appears that she does not associate Fellatio with love.)
Clinton also said she was asked by other women "all the time" about what to do with unfaithful husbands.

"'I don't know your reality. I cannot possibly substitute my judgment for yours, but what I can tell you is you must be true to yourself, you have to do what is right for you.'"

Despite what anyone says Clinton left office with approval ratings of around 65 percent, not shabby.

I think to many it was funny to watch it. Heck maybe Bush should have an affair or two and raise his rating.

Now you want abstinence, imagine Bill and Hillary in the Oval office doing it, sort of enough to cause abstinence.

The numbers can speak for themselves; however, no one, not even Hillary trusts him; and he did not have enough support to elect Al Gore, thankfully.

I think to many it was funny to watch it. Heck maybe Bush should have an affair or two and raise his rating.

Now you want abstinence, imagine Bill and Hillary in the Oval office doing it, sorta enough to cause abstinence.
:p Falling out of my chair

It is not an impeachable offense to have fellatio with a "girlfriend", that I know of, Crow. Why, some previous Presidents had mistresses and "professional" women in the White House and engaged in all kinds of sex acts we will never know about!

I don't think that a majority of Americans want to know about the sex life of a president, but they do think fellatio is an act of sex. The specific case of Clinton... well, I think it was a case of most Americans being turned off by the religious right and their sanctimony and hypocrisy. Why, we have had closeted homosexual Republican Congress Members... none were attacked by the religious right... and, Foley of Florida wrote sex notes to **underage pages**!

After viewing the findings of a study performed at North Carolina State University this is what another Dr. had to say.

"I think it removes the last shade of doubt that fellatio is actually a healthy act," said Dr. A.J. Kramer of Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, who was not involved in the research. "I am surprised by these findings,-…”

But Choux, given that ‘teen birth rate’ seems to be the issue behind sex education as opposed to the morality aspect doesn’t encouraging Fellatio sound like a plausible suggestion for cutting down all those births and abortions?

I think to many it was funny to watch it. Heck maybe Bush should have an affair or two and raise his rating.

Now you want abstinence, imagine Bill and Hillary in the Oval office doing it, sorta enough to cause abstinence.

My God my cheeks hurt!! Where is my heart medicine!!

Based on the culture of Washington I would say that it should not be taught in sex education classes because it really isn't sex . That at least is the prevailing opinion post-Clintoon. Evidently you can perform the act and remain "technically a virgin" .USATODAY.com - 'Technical virginity' becomes part of teens' equation (http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-10-19-teens-technical-virginity_x.htm)

But I am not willing to blame him solely for that attitude ;just for making it mainstream thought. Indeed he is the most famous of the pols who have made the hair-spltting distinction ,but he is hardly alone.

Chuck Robb ,that wild and crazy Guv from Va. Made a public statement that he had "done anything that I regard as unfaithful to my wife" when he was caught. According to Wikipedia In 1991, Robb admitted to being with former Miss Virginia USA Tai Collins alone in a hotel room ;but he denied having an affair with her while admitting to sharing a bottle of champagne and receiving a nude massage.

Nancy Reagan had a reputation in Hollywood of being a practitioner before she and Reagan wed .

Newt Gingrich's former mistress Anne Manning claimed that he preferred oral sex because he could make the truthful claim that he had never slept with her .

Former DC Mayor Marion Barry got a bj in a prison visiting room (while the room was full of other prisoners , visitors,and a guard ) while he was serving time for crack possession.

Lest we forget ; another Presidency was actually brought down by "Deep Throat".

Is it currently taught or implied that it is in sex education? Should it be?Hello DC:

Don't screw your boyfriend, just blow him. Huh?? You think THAT'S what's being taught??

Are you out of your mind?? You really are dingy. That goes for the rest of you sexually repressed people out there too!

excon

Hay Excon, I uesta have an Aunt Ninny that couldn’t tell a question from an answer too but she finally drove off a cliff.:D

Hello again, DC:

It's true. I can't tell what you're saying most of the time. You're just waaay too smart for me.

excon

Hay excon, that's a polite way of calling me a smarta*s:p

Hello DC:

Don't screw your boyfriend, just blow him. Huh?? You think THAT'S what's being taught??

Are you out of your mind?? You really are dingy. That goes for the rest of you sexually repressed people out there too!

Ex, actually what's being taught by Planned Parenthood is basically if it's abstinence to you then it's abstinence.


No matter how you personally define losing your virginity (http://www.teenwire.com/infocus/2008/if-20080108p514-virgin.php), you still have to think about protecting yourself from sexually transmitted infections (STIs).


Clearly, the definition of virginity leaves lots of room for interpretation (http://www.teenwire.com/infocus/2004/if-20040413p282-virginity.php)!


Different people define virginity in different ways (http://www.teenwire.com/infocus/2006/if-20060414p432-virginity.php)... No matter how teens define virginity, it's important to remember that having sex — or any kind of sex play — is a big decision that deserves a lot of thought.

From "Foreplay 411: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Not Doing It"


But when it came to sex, Jen was worried. If they had intercourse, she could contract a sexually transmitted infection (STI) or get pregnant. Besides, she didn't feel ready to go all the way. Was it possible to get sexy ... without having sex?

Yes. There are many types of "sex play" — sexual activity, with or without a partner — that don't involve intercourse, which is why some people call it outercourse. Outercourse works whether you're a teenager or a senior citizen, single or partnered, or straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, or questioning...

Generally, "outercourse" means sex play without vaginal intercourse. Depending on personal preference, it can involve kissing, massage, masturbation, "frottage" (rubbing bodies together), sharing fantasies — including cybersex and phone sex, anal sex play (exploring one another's anus/rectum with hands, mouths), and oral sex play (touching one another's genitals with mouths).

Yes, that's what's being taught. It isn't "sex," it's "sex play."

My, you are a repressed bunch! :D

My, you are a repressed bunch! :D

Hardly, NK, but I know the difference between abstinence and PP's idea of "not doing it."

Now we have Seventeen magazine warning kids (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjRiMTg1MDM5NDlkYTVhNWMyNzBjZmUwMDg1ZTg4MjQ=) of "Shocking Ways You Could Get PREGNANT By Accident.” :eek:

Dude you are very creepy by the choice of magazine an old guy decides to read.

Dude you are very creepy by the choice of magazine an old guy decides to read.

Cute NK, very cute. Nevertheless I'm not one bit ashamed of reading National Review Online, where I learned this tidbit. I am glad though that some adult somewhere is paying attention to the bilge being fed our kids, so Kudos to Kathryn Jean Lopez for doing just that. I guess you'd rather nobody monitor what our children read? Now THAT would be creepy.

Yeah, it's a pity Liberals don't read National Review and especially a pity they don't read all the books of Charles Murray, they for example, are brilliant analyses of what's wrong with the liberal solution to the social problems of today.

Yeah, it’s a pity Liberals don’t read National Review and especially a pity they don’t read all the books of Charles Murray, they for example, are brilliant analyses of what's wrong with the liberal solution to the social problems of today.The societal problems of today in the US aren't a liberal/conservative issue DC, it's more of a consumerism/materialism issue.

The societal problems of today in the US aren't a liberal/conservative issue DC, it's more of a consumerism/materialism issue.

So what are the liberal/conservative solutions to this consumerism/materialism issue?

So what are the liberal/conservative solutions to this consumerism/materialism issue?That's a tough one. The mentality is so engrained to have the McMansion, the two large SUVs, the giant plasma TV, and the like. People are willing to screw over others to attain this, neglect their children, carry crazy amounts of debt. If parents can return to a normal lifestyle that wasn't so materialistic (the appearance of wealth) and return to being a family and spend the time raising their kids.

The corporations have taken over your country and the media. This consumerism is forced down your throats ad nauseum. People need to turn off the TV and computer and go outside, travel, do stuff together.

I grant you the consumerism/materialism issue is critical today, but that is more an economic issue…what I had in mind is the huge welfare State that has been created by Liberal idealism…social responsibility.

The societal problems of today in the US aren't a liberal/conservative issue DC, it's more of a consumerism/materialism issue.


Agree, but would also add that a bigger factor is the breakdown of the traditional nuclear family and marriage.


Work and Marriage: The Way to End Poverty and Welfare - Brookings Institution (http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2003/09childrenfamilies_haskins.aspx)


Look at the census bureau data for the evidence. It is harder to prove consumerism and materialism.


Now do liberals or conservatives promote family friendly policies?

Actually Aid for dependent mothers contributed much to the break-up of the family; fathers left home so the wife would qualify.

EDIT: I meant to say Aid for mothers with dependent children.

Applying the "golden rule" to abstinence and fellatio.

How many would like to have a school, or magazine or MTV teach your daughter that performing fellatio is a form of abstinence? Would you yourself teach that to your daughter[s]?

How many would consider your wife or girlfriend faithful, or be okay with, if she performed just fellatio on another guy?

How many would consider their husband or boyfriend faithful , or be okay with, receiving oral sex from another?

InTheBox,
From your link:

They would be expected to stay in school at least through high school, delay childbearing until marriage, work full-time to support any children they chose to bear outside marriage, and limit the size of their families to what they could afford to support. Existing policies would be aligned with this set of expectations. Income assistance would be conditional on work with some exceptions for hardship cases, including serious disability. Benefit programs (including tax credits and exemptions) would be capped at two children per family.I agree with the first part of that quote of conclusions. I'd like to see someone implement the "two children maximum" benefits policy - I imagine there would an interesting reaction by the public. That would be the government interfering in your lives, specifically what you normally cry foul about.

Exactly DC:

Why should a guy be responsible, or the mother hold him responsible if the state will qualify you for WIC, food stamps, HUD, Medicaid? These are all well intentioned programs when they started, but who could see the effects then or now?

Applying the "golden rule" to abstinence and fellatio.:rolleyes:

Agree NK

But with freedom comes responsibility, why should the taxpayor be held financially and socially responsible for for someone's else's poor choice[s].

If you accept money from the government should not rules apply?

What happened to personal responsibility and accountability?

Other countries have welfare programs and have not fallen into the gutter - why has the US done so?

Is fellatio a form of abstinence?

NO. Its another form of sex

Is it currently taught or implied that it is in sex education?
Should it be?
Don't know what its passed off as in school, but the truth is its not abstinance ,nor should be taught as such. It does protect virginity though, doesn't it??

That's a tough one. The mentality is so engrained to have the McMansion, the two large SUVs, the giant plasma TV, and the like. People are willing to screw over others to attain this, neglect their children, carry crazy amounts of debt. If parents can return to a normal lifestyle that wasn't so materialistic (the appearance of wealth) and return to being a family and spend the time raising their kids.

The corporations have taken over your country and the media. This consumerism is forced down your throats ad nauseum. People need to turn off the TV and computer and go outside, travel, do stuff together.

Don't be shocked, but I at least partly agree with you. I don't get the whole McMansion/SUV/Plasma TV thing, but I do believe a good part of that is an entitlement mentality which is fed by the left. Their answer of course is blame someone else and let the government take care of you, while conservatives want you to take personal responsibility and take care of yourself.

A conservative would encourage you to turn the TV off and spend time with your kids, while a liberal would go so far as to turn your TV off for you if they could. No?

but I do believe a good part of that is an entitlement mentality which is fed by the left. Nope, that entitlement complex is bipartisan all the way.


A conservative would encourage you to turn the TV off and spend time with your kids, while a liberal would go so far as to turn your TV off for you if they could. No?Uh no. I wrote the words you're using and I'm not considered a neo-conservative am I. :) It's about wanting to be a parent first and dropping that sense of entitlement. I really don't understand your need to polarize everything as being liberal vs conservative. I do understand you have a fanatical hate for all things liberal and it does cloud your judgement.

Anti-consumerism theme has become quite a mass marketing strategy .Anti-consumerism reinforces consumerism.

I think anyone who dislikes consumerism should just stop shopping.

As far as American v Canadian consumerism I'd say it depends where you are . I imagine the folks in Vancover and Toronto are more consumer obsessed than in many parts of rural US .

Listen carefully to politicians today, Democrats talk about “Social Justice and “Fairness.” While Republicans talk about “Lower Taxes and “Getting Government off our Backs.” But who is talking about freedom, individual freedom; when was the last time you heard either talk about preserving individual freedom. Whatever else it is, Welfare is taking money from one person and giving it to another, the least that can be done is a “Work” for welfare program. But Aid for mothers with dependent children is just the tail of the Welfare State. What about the Homeless, corporate welfare, farm welfare….. and on and on.

Other countries have welfare programs and have not fallen into the gutter - why has the US done so?

Who said America has "fallen into the gutter?" And we do have welfare programs, and "poverty" in America can be quite misleading (http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg2064.cfm).


* Forty-three percent of all poor households actu­ally own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.

* Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.

* Only 6 percent of poor households are over­crowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.

* The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)

* Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.

* Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.

* Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.

* Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.

As a group, America's poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consump­tion of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms. Poor children actually consume more meat than do higher-income children and have average protein intakes 100 percent above recommended levels. Most poor children today are, in fact, supernour­ished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and 10 pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.

And what does our welfare system do for the "poor" in America?


While work and marriage are steady ladders out of poverty, the welfare system perversely remains hostile to both. Major programs such as food stamps, public housing, and Medicaid continue to reward idleness and penalize marriage. If welfare could be turned around to require work and encourage marriage, poverty among children would drop substantially.

That's what we get from the left's idea of solving the problem.

That's what we get from the left's idea of solving the problem.Was the problem ever solved by anyone?

Was the problem ever solved by anyone?

NO, it should have read that's what we get from the left's idea of 'solving' the problem. Keeping the 'poor' idle, unmarried and dependent isn't going to solve anything.