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George_1950
Jan 17, 2008, 09:50 AM
Radical left is retreating from its war against America as President Bush wins the minds, if not the hearts, of the voters. See more about the left's retreat from anti-American influence in the Middle East: Anti-war groups retreat - Ryan Grim - Politico.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7949.html)

Dark_crow
Jan 17, 2008, 10:09 AM
Yeah, they are backing away from stopping it but you should see the “pork” they are throwing into the legislation.

“Democrats in Congress are saying, "Oh, they want to grant that request to continue funding the war, even though they also want to end the war." Why? Because some of these same congressmen will also be giving themselves an additional $20 billion, with a "B", for emergency pork projects that is just -- that is just riddled in this bill, and the bill just got a green light from the appropriations committee today.”


CNN.com - Transcripts (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0703/15/gb.01.html)

speechlesstx
Jan 17, 2008, 03:45 PM
I think it's funny, the left got spanked by Bush last year in spite of their best efforts. This would be a good time to remind everyone of Michael Moore's words from November 2006:


The responsibility to end this war now falls upon the Democrats. Congress controls the purse strings and the Constitution says only Congress can declare war. Mr. Reid and Ms. Pelosi now hold the power to put an end to this madness. Failure to do so will bring the wrath of the voters. We aren't kidding around, Democrats, and if you don't believe us, just go ahead and continue this war another month. We will fight you harder than we did the Republicans.

Come on Michael, sic 'em! Rrrrufff!

George_1950
Jan 17, 2008, 03:56 PM
I am beginning to sense an ugly, family quarrel among Democrats; a growing tide of optimism and momentum among Republicans, and victory in November.

Dark_crow
Jan 17, 2008, 04:32 PM
I think it's funny, the left got spanked by Bush last year in spite of their best efforts. This would be a good time to remind everyone of Michael Moore's words from November 2006:



Come on Michael, sic 'em! Rrrrufff!
Those anti-war groups did a lot of damage to our cause in Iraq, the Iraqi people’s cause, our credibility in the world, and our domestic politics. Thanks to them, the effort in Iraq was made much more difficult. Of course, they had their comrades in the mainstream press and in Congress. And the administration’s screw-ups didn’t help either.

But it was the anti-war groups, with all of their radical anti-American hysteria, that made getting here a longer, slower, and deadlier slog than necessary. Now they’ve dropped their routine faster than a speeding bullet. But they have left a devastating legacy in their wake. When they ask the president how he looks himself in the mirror, perhaps they might ask themselves that same question. :p

Iraq faces a period of economic growth and political progress, according to assessments by the International Monetary Fund and the UN.

The IMF sees 7% growth in 2008 and a similar rise next year, and says oil revenues from buoyant exports should be up by 200,000 barrels a day.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Agencies see good year for Iraq (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7193174.stm)

Anti-war groups retreat on funding fight - Ryan Grim - Politico.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7949.html)

Skell
Jan 17, 2008, 08:02 PM
Those anti-war groups did a lot of damage to our cause in Iraq, the Iraqi people’s cause, our credibility in the world, and our domestic politics. Thanks to them, the effort in Iraq was made much more difficult. Of course, they had their comrades in the mainstream press and in Congress. And the administration’s screw-ups didn’t help either.

But it was the anti-war groups, with all of their radical anti-American hysteria, that made getting here a longer, slower, and deadlier slog than necessary. Now they’ve dropped their routine faster than a speeding bullet. But they have left a devastating legacy in their wake. When they ask the president how he looks himself in the mirror, perhaps they might ask themselves that same question. :p


So it was the anti-war groups fault that the war in Iraq was difficult? Go figure:confused:

So the people who decided to go in and their reasons for doing so have nothing to do with the matter. Interesting.

magprob
Jan 17, 2008, 08:15 PM
So it was the anti-war groups fault that the war in Iraq was difficult?? Go figure:confused:

So the people who decided to go in and their reasons for doing so have nothing to do with the matter. Interesting.

Oh Skell! In America, fact has become fiction and fiction is now fact. The mainstream media is owned by the neocons like Rupert Murdock. They have pumped this war from the beginning. This is all designed simply to... MINDF*#K.

Skell
Jan 17, 2008, 09:33 PM
Oh Skell! In America, fact has become fiction and fiction is now fact. The mainstream media is owned by the neocons like Rupert Murdock. They have pumped this war from the beginning. This is all designed simply to...MINDF*#K.

That's why we got rid of Murdoch form down under here. ;)

speechlesstx
Jan 18, 2008, 07:39 AM
Oh Skell! In America, fact has become fiction and fiction is now fact. The mainstream media is owned by the neocons like Rupert Murdock. They have pumped this war from the beginning. This is all designed simply to...MINDF*#K.

Ah, so we're back to FNC being the problem. Last I checked Murdoch did not own the NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post, Boston Globe, San Francisco Chronicle, CBS, NBC, ABC or CNN and all of their spawn. But why let a little fact get in the way of a good conspiracy? :p

NeedKarma
Jan 18, 2008, 08:06 AM
Radical left is retreating from its war against America Hehehe.. "war against America". LOL Sounds like a Fox News banner. "War on Christmas" was another good one, of course it never existed but why get into details, got to keep the masses scared!

speechlesstx
Jan 18, 2008, 08:24 AM
got to keep the masses scared!

Right, like the stories from the MSM on the economy all week. Like the cries about Bush trampling our rights all year. Like the threat from global warming... yeah, the right sure has a monopoly on fear mongering. :rolleyes:

NeedKarma
Jan 18, 2008, 08:29 AM
Right, like the stories from the MSM on the economy all week.A recession is coming.


Like the cries about Bush trampling our rights all year. He's been doing it for more than a year.


Like the threat from global warmingIt seems to depend on whose science you believe.

speechlesstx
Jan 18, 2008, 09:06 AM
NK, you're obviously missing the point though all of those are debatable. Those who keep protesting of Republican fear mongering must not have mirrors in their homes. They sure can't see their own reflection in this fear mongering game.

NeedKarma
Jan 18, 2008, 09:09 AM
So you firmly believe that there was a war on Christmas and that there is a war on America by the liberals?

tomder55
Jan 18, 2008, 09:22 AM
Sorry can't help myself

Here are some pix of a global warming protest in Md .

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bay_environment/blog/morewarming%20005.jpg

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bay_environment/blog/warming%20002%20%282%29.jpg

George_1950
Jan 18, 2008, 09:25 AM
Darn good job.

Bwe he he he he he

You certain these aren't college Republicans on a prank?

tomder55
Jan 18, 2008, 09:37 AM
Here's the link
baltimoresun.com - Bay & Environment: Global warming protest frosted with snow (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bay_environment/blog/2008/01/global_warming_protest_snowed.html)

NeedKarma
Jan 18, 2008, 09:40 AM
http://members.aol.com/lupinaccim/war-on-christmas-card-3.jpg

excon
Jan 18, 2008, 10:07 AM
Radical left is retreating from its war against America as President Bush wins the minds, if not the hearts, of the voters. See more about the left's retreat from anti-American influence in the Middle East: Anti-war groups retreat - Ryan Grim - Politico.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7949.html)Hello George:

I don't know if this turkey would call me a warrior against America, but I suppose he would. He'd be wrong. In fact, I'm quite the patriot. Since he evidently has a point of view, his reporting is therefore, suspect – at least to me.

What I can tell you is that I have been against this war from the beginning. I was against it before we went in, and I was against it when Bush wrongly declared victory the first time.

I am still against the war. It has cost us MORE than it has gained. In fact, I daresay that we haven't gained a thing. Given the bigger picture, we are the NET loser.

I have never wavered from that viewpoint, and I don't do so now. The fact that you're declaring victory for a second time, doesn't dissuade me at all. The final chapter on Iraq has yet to be written.

I don't belong to ANY group. I don't speak for the radical left. I have no idea what they say or do because I'm not them. If you'd like to argue with ME, however, I'll take you on. But, I don't speak for nobody.

excon

PS> In fact, I'm about to post how the Bush doctrine in the Middle East has done a radical flip flop!

George_1950
Jan 18, 2008, 10:26 AM
Why excon, you sound just like Ron Paul.

NeedKarma
Jan 18, 2008, 10:36 AM
Why excon, you sound just like Ron Paul.Ah, so that's why I like excon. :)

speechlesstx
Jan 18, 2008, 11:15 AM
So you firmly believe that there was a war on Christmas and that there is a war on America by the liberals?

Gee NK, I don't recall having even implied anything of the sort. But, are you telling me there isn't or wasn't?