From understanding of the bible. No known life form could have existed before the big bang, not as skin and bone anyway, God must be a energy based life form. Thoughts?

I think that humans cannot have accurate words to describe God/The Creator... except in such all inclusive terms like Omnipotent, Omniscient, etc.

I don't think it's possible to use human words to describe what sort of "life form" He is.

This is mans problem, we try to see and assume God has to fit into some limit or form we can understand first, and that we want to make him fit into. Also others in trying to show there is no God wants to prove or show that things have to follow the laws of nature or some rules they have developed

I just trying to blend science and religion, besides energy that is not confined by anything can go anywhere and do things the human can not comperhend.

Science tells us that there is a finite limit to the amount of matter and/or energy in the universe. Spirituality tells us that God's power is infinite. Therefore, science cannot be used as a means to describe God. Science is limited in that regard.

I just trying to blend science and religion, besides energy that is not confined by anything can go anywhere and do things the human can not comperhend.
I think your problem is your definition of energy. We are all energy based life forms.

I meant pure energy. All life creates electrical synapies through bain activity. This is the soul. The law of conversion of matter states that matter can not be created or destroyed, the organic matter decays and changes forms. All life is star dust.

I meant pure energy. all life creates electrical synapies through bain activity. this is the soul. The law of conversion of matter states that matter can not be created or destroyed, the organic matter decays and changes forms. All life is star dust.

Matter can be both created and destroyed. Ever heard of E = mc^2? Vacuum fluctuations? All life is energy. Everything is energy. Mass, put simply, is just a different form of energy.

E=mc2 is energy equals mass times the speed of light 186,000 per second squared.

E=mc2 (http://www.osti.gov/accomplishments/nuggets/einstein/speedoflight.html)

You'll never convince others of your religious beliefs when they are more interested in debunking your claim or supporting their own belief.

Might as well be one of those trees falling in the forests when no one is there to hear, there is no sound of any consequence to anyone.

Capuchin that what I just said! Matter can turned to energy and vise vera. A good example is the atomic bomb. A small amount of mass turned in energy by detonating the bomb. The matter was not destroyed it just changed forms. I think your argument is proving my point.

Capuchin that what I just said! Matter can turned to energy and vise vera. a good example is the atomic bomb. a small amount of mass turned in energy by detonating the bomb. The matter was not destroyed it just changed forms. I think your argument is proving my point.

But you still felt the need to edit your post after I challenged you? Nice way to have a discussion, editing to make it look like you were right all along.

According to hinduism, basic reason behind the whole universe, which filled in every where, inside& outside, was Parah Brahman(Brahm)- isn't a person, but a perfect condition- its inside form called sagun brahm, soul- also an experience is possible through meditation, as called it as SELF KNOWLEDGE- SHARED TRANSFORMATION Kundalini information and networking (http://www.elcollie.com/st/st.html)

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I have no wish to argue, these are my beliefs. If you do not agree OK, fine. We all have our own beliefs. Capuchin you said can be destroyed after reading my post about how matter can not be destroyed I only edited my E=MC2 post and not my other.


I meant pure energy. all life creates electrical synapies through bain activity. this is the soul. The law of conversion of matter states that matter can not be created or destroyed, the organic matter decays and changes forms. All life is star dust.

You said life is energy, yes you are right. Did you know that life is star elements? Energy from a supernova explosion turning into matter.

You said life is energy, yes you are right. did you know that life is star elements? energy from a supernova explosion turning into matter.

Hmm, not a supernova. But yes all heavy elements come from stellar processes. I'm not sure what you mean by "star elements"?

A star is made of matter. Nothing gets "turned into matter" in a supernova.

oops I meant energy and matter are released in the explosion. Energy= the star's energy. Matter= left over gas and dust. I must have the gamma ray burst emitted by a black hole, a star like a red or bigger that has collapsed.

The following has always been my thought on God and Science and it's how I equate the two in my brain so I can believe in God and Science at the same time...

I believe that God is the very essence of life... that which caused the "Big Bang", that which causes all the sub atomic particles to do what they do in order to evolve into what they have thus far and what they will continue to today and in the future ~ an undefined, uncontrollable, unlimited, infinite energy which is omnipresent and omnipotent.

Many many would disagree with this, however, it is the very argument I've used to win over Atheists, Agnostics and Christians alike for years now. This line of thought allows science and belief in God to exist in a more harmonious manner. Those that agree with this line of thought also agree that you can't sum up God in an equation - that would be ridiculous to even attempt or to claim as God is not something our human brains can fully understand no matter how hard we try.

Lucas, people like you and I will always be the minority in our beliefs but for those who are doubting due to science, this is a great argument that generally reels them in and allows them to come to know God.

Now if only they would read the Bible for themselves rather than allow the fallible man to ruin it for them.

;)

Of course you are also assuming God is always in this realm of our reality, and not in perhaps another level of exsistence. What about a multi dimensional idea of reality

Would you really like me to address different levels in space and time? I already said He is omnipresent... This, to me, means He is on all levels in space and time at once.

God can't be put in the box that He created. We will never be able to understand Him this side of heaven with our finite minds. We don't have the language or capacity to understand how awesome, majestic and wonderful He really is.

Very interesting question. Since God is real, you can describe Him. Not that
Our understanding of Him is totally exhausted, but there are some references to
His attributes as revealed in the Bible. To say that we cannot describe his
Attributes is to deny his existence.

My understanding is that nothing existed (time, space or matter) before the Big Bang.
God is the uncaused creator who caused/created everything else. He is self-existing,
Everything else is caused.

The attribute that I think is applicable to your question is omnipresence.
God is omnipresent, His presence is everywhere fully. On the contrary He does
Not dwell locally. He is not "up there" or "down here."

You're right, he has no body. He is spirit and is therefore not physical and can
Therefore not be of energy. If he exists fully, everywhere, what does that look like?

God is conscious of and active at every point in space. That is what it means
To be omnipresent. In other words, there is no place to which God's knowledge
And power do not extend. His knowledge and power extend to every place.

Bingo, you know what I'm saying veritas! Thank you for understanding. I believe that science and religion are intertwined.

But pure unrestricted energy can do anything. A life form made has no need for a unless it is a energy parasite, a demon.

In many cases simply look at the ancient descriptions of Spirit and it can mean a personal entity, a force or power and therefore energy.

Such a being as God the supreme being as apposed to gods in general you have to also consider other factors. Is your idea of God based on Church concepts, or Scripture, or is it based on personal experience, or cultural influence? There are too many variables.

if you speak from "a Church" view you must consider if say for example you believe in trinity, which Person of God are you speaking of? God the Father is considered more or less the Directive Will made of Light, which means this aspect is moving so fast by nature composed of something like photons it would essentially exist outside of the normal time stream of the rest of the universe.

This not the same as the Third Person of Trinity which Is Spirit and then can be said as energy based and ever present and to a factor related to the manifest universe itself as a sort of Pan"en"theistic entity as more or less the World or Cosmic Soul.

The second person as the Son has form in a "glorified body" and therefore indicates mass, and some sort of refined material body in which light is but an aspect of this such as described in the "transfiguration" of an immortal from mortal form.

Then you have "GOD" and GODHEAD which are all the attributes, qualities and therefore powers of "God" co indwelling these Three Bodies and Personalities and their relative states and conditions of being that simply put is more or less identical with and even beyond the definition beyond void as a sort of simultaneous existence and nonexistence and therefore Absolute in being and Non-being.

I know this does not help in many cases but to generalize "God" these things have to be considered what is God to you and then proceed from there. If God is not a trinity to you then simply put God can be whatever God will choose to be if God so chooses an we can also turn around and say every degree of possibility here and beyond belief even is an expression of this as a reality relative only to such a God but not to us making the acceptance of denial of it a moot point.

Eye has not seen, ear has not heard, nor mind conceived, what the Lord has in store for those who love him but he has revealed it to us by his Spirit. God is spirit, how this relates to energy only God knows, but he is more than an energy being

Light (http://www.elcollie.com/st/light.html)


Very good insight, most of the time spirit is in light form.