warmblood
Dec 9, 2007, 10:57 AM
A recent incident has us perplexed. It occurred in Virginia. Here are the facts:
1. Adult RJ is living in his grandfather's basement. RJ does not pay rent, but otherwise takes care of his own expenses.
2. RJ and his grandfather get in a fight one night, which RJ admits he started. I was a witness to the fight. The fight was mostly verbal, but at one point the grandfather orders RJ to get out, and puts his hands on him to shove him out the door. RJ says he has some rights and doesn't have to leave. Whatever.
3) RJ goes down the basement and starts packing his stuff. The grandfather goes over to his son's house and later comes home and goes to bed.
4) In the morning RJ's car is parked at the basement door. There are clear signsthat he is packing. (Suitcases, trash bags, etc. next to the car.) RJ tells me he will be finished and gone within an hour or two. I tell him that what he can't take I'll store for him and get to him when he finds a place.
5) In the morning, the Grandfather sees the car still there and without asking RJ or anyone else when RJ will be gone, and without telling anyone where he is going, goes down to see county magistrate. Magistrate recommends that he file charges of assault and trespass against RJ, which Grandfather does.
6) RJ is arrested before Grandfather can even drive back from courthouse.
7) Grandfather later drops charges. RJ still waiting to hear if the AG office is going to prosecute anyway.
Question(s!)
1) At what point does leaving become trespassing? Should RJ have left immediately and had someone else pack his things for him? Should he have been given a reasonable amount of time to vacate? If so, how long is reasonable?
2) Should the magistrate have recommended the Grandfather file the trespassing charge to begin with?
Thanks for your input.
1. Adult RJ is living in his grandfather's basement. RJ does not pay rent, but otherwise takes care of his own expenses.
2. RJ and his grandfather get in a fight one night, which RJ admits he started. I was a witness to the fight. The fight was mostly verbal, but at one point the grandfather orders RJ to get out, and puts his hands on him to shove him out the door. RJ says he has some rights and doesn't have to leave. Whatever.
3) RJ goes down the basement and starts packing his stuff. The grandfather goes over to his son's house and later comes home and goes to bed.
4) In the morning RJ's car is parked at the basement door. There are clear signsthat he is packing. (Suitcases, trash bags, etc. next to the car.) RJ tells me he will be finished and gone within an hour or two. I tell him that what he can't take I'll store for him and get to him when he finds a place.
5) In the morning, the Grandfather sees the car still there and without asking RJ or anyone else when RJ will be gone, and without telling anyone where he is going, goes down to see county magistrate. Magistrate recommends that he file charges of assault and trespass against RJ, which Grandfather does.
6) RJ is arrested before Grandfather can even drive back from courthouse.
7) Grandfather later drops charges. RJ still waiting to hear if the AG office is going to prosecute anyway.
Question(s!)
1) At what point does leaving become trespassing? Should RJ have left immediately and had someone else pack his things for him? Should he have been given a reasonable amount of time to vacate? If so, how long is reasonable?
2) Should the magistrate have recommended the Grandfather file the trespassing charge to begin with?
Thanks for your input.