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K_2
Nov 29, 2007, 01:24 PM
I don't mean to sound dumb and I searched online but couldn't find my answer. Can anyone tell me what Pentacostal beliefs are regarding Christmas, the idea of a Santa Claus to be more specific.

My sister and her husband are going through a divorce. They have a 2 yr old and have to agree on all major decisions, one being religion.

He has decided that he is Pentacostal(he goes a few times per month) and she(the 2yr old) can not believe in Santa Claus, but can celebrate Christmas. He also says that she can not celebrate Valentine's Day or believe in the Easter Bunny. These things are against his religion.

Thank you in advance for your help.

NeedKarma
Nov 29, 2007, 01:27 PM
On this page (scroll down) you'll see a couple of choices:
Christian Denominations -- Beliefnet.com (http://www.beliefnet.com/index/index_10300.html)
They have forums where you can ask your questions.

K_2
Nov 29, 2007, 01:31 PM
I'm there but it said it was a read only forum. So, I asked here.

bushg
Nov 29, 2007, 01:31 PM
I was raised pentacostal. Thank goodness my mom wasn't super hardore about everything and let us get by with something. But she never taught us to believe it what she considered fake or idol worshiping. No bunnies, no santa's, no t.v. cutting hair, palying cards, listening to music other than religious so many rules... no living basically, hope he is not hardcore. It is misery for the kids in my opinion. I would never raise my kids that way. But I have meet pentcosatl people in Ohio that are very different than the ones in the South, all of them do not have the same strictness.

angel0772001
Nov 29, 2007, 01:36 PM
I honestly think that he is full of it and just wants to make the mother suffer, but in accuality he is just hurting the baby. She can believe in whatever she wants and she will. When she is with the mother they can do as they want and when she is with the father she can do as they want. But what an a$$

Fr_Chuck
Nov 29, 2007, 02:37 PM
OK, the idea of a white ( or black) fat man with a beard that breaks into your home on Chistmas eve and leaves gifts is not christian at all, it along with christmas trees and lights on homes are all man made and non religious in nature. There was a St Nick, who was a real man and did good for the poor and needy but not to everyone and not on christmas eve.

This was developed along with flying reigndeer as a advertising project.

But in realty I believe all christians should not have a santa and gifts from him but should let kids know where the gifts really come from.

But no pentacostals do not have santas, easter bunnies and other non christian items in their celebration of holidays.

And why do they have to agree, people in divorce don't agree with most anything. And if it is really pentalcostal he would not believe in divorce to start with?

But why are they suppose to agree, if they could do that they would not be getting a divorce, of course they are going to disagree over all sorts of things

jonsey77
Nov 29, 2007, 02:49 PM
I believe santa and the easter bunny are fine until the kids are old enough to know the difference... im a christian and I don't think fighting over it is healthy for the kids.. let them be kids until they grow up.. lifes hard enough.. :D... just my opinion...

K_2
Nov 29, 2007, 02:58 PM
And why do they have to agree, people in divorce don't agree with most anything. And if it is really pentalcostal he would not beleive in divorce to start with ??

But why are they suppose to agree, if they could do that they would not be getting a divorce, of course they are going to disagree over all sorts of thigns


They have to agree because the custody papers say that "Major decisions regarding the minor child must be agreed upon by BOTH parents" and then it goes on to list major decisions, one of which is religion. He says that he doesn't want child exposed to Santa Claus or made apart of her life. If they can not agree, then it has to go to mediation.

He is only trying to be an a$$. However, it has to be proved that this is his intentions. I read what I could find online about Pentecostal beliefs and haven't seen one yet that he practices.

shygrneyzs
Nov 29, 2007, 03:05 PM
Having been a member of various Pentecostal churches I can tell you that some are a bit more lenient in celebrations - Assembly of God allows one to have a Christmas tree and exchange presents and decorate. The United Pentecostal Church says no to all of those. The Four Square Church also celebrates Christmas. Some of the independent non denominational Holiness churches come out strong against any sign of Christmas - calling the tradition of the Christmas tree a heathen practice, saying that man made the tree an idol to worship (decorating it in lights, etc).
Edit: Jeremiah 10:2-4: "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." (KJV).

What is most important is that you follow what you led to do, after careful and considerate prayer about how you are to celebrate Christmas. If you make Christmas to be the crass commercial monstrosity the world makes it, what do you think? When you lose sight of reason for the celebration and can only focus on the trappings, where did the original intent go?

What I found to be almost humorous in some of the churches I belonged to, the ones where Christmas celebrations were banned, the pastors and their wives still expected a gift. Interesting, isn't it?

If this man is a Penetecostal, then he should be working on saving his marriage - divorce is a big NO. It sounds like he is applying what he wants and when he wants and forgetting the main issues. Also, if he is Pentecostal, he should be in church twice on Sundays and the mid week services plus any additional prayer services, etc. I am not impressed with this guy.

shygrneyzs
Nov 29, 2007, 03:09 PM
If you want some specific information about a particular Pentecostal church, ask me. I will be glad to help as I can and if I can.

Fr_Chuck
Nov 29, 2007, 05:33 PM
So they tell the judge they will not agree on this, the one parent tells the child there is no santa, so what does the other parent do.
If one parent is going to tell the child the truth, the other has no choice but to live with it.

For example, my son has always know santa was not real, he still like santa, the excitement and fun of the holiday, he knows all gifts come from mom and dad, not from santa , but he still wants to sit on santa lap, and the such.

So if one parent is going to tell the truth, the other parant really has nothing else they can do except go along with it. But that does not mean there can't be trees, stockings and the such, so the other parent does not like it, tough

K_2
Nov 29, 2007, 08:34 PM
so they tell the judge they will not agree on this, the one parent tells the child there is no santa, so what does the other parent do.
if one parent is going to tell the child the truth, the other has no choice but to live with it.

For example, my son has always know santa was not real, he still like santa, the excitement and fun of the holiday, he knows all gifts come from mom and dad, not from santa , but he still wants to sit on santa lap, and the such.

So if one parent is going to tell the truth, the other parant really has nothing else they can do except go along with it. But that does not mean there can't be trees, stockings and the such, so the other parent does not like it, tough

If it was only that easy. IF they can not come to an agreement, they must obtain 3 mediators name from the courthouse. Each one can mark one off and the remaining one is the one they go and see. The mediator makes the final call on what the decision is. So, if they do not agree and the mediator says that they are going with the dad's beliefs then the mom is not allowed to acknowledge there is a Santa or let her have anything to do with Santa, etc. If she does, and it is proven, it is contempt of court and vice versa if the mediator sides with the mom and the dad goes against the decision.

The dad says it is OK to have the tree, stockings, gifts, etc. Just not okay to include Santa because he is a mythical fairytale creature and his religion does not aknowledge that. Same with Easter, she can celebrate Easter, but the celebrations can not include the "easter bunny" or "egg hunt" because that has nothing to do with "Easter".

She can't be told about the toothfairy either. No fairytales. etc. etc. etc. It is all b/s and him being a jerk. He wasn't worried about his religious beliefs when he filed for divorce and lied all through out the papers. Or when he got his tattoos. Or when he smokes a cigarette, and the other things he smokes. Not even worried about it when he grew that facial hair.

From what I've read all those things are against his religion.

But, I thank all of you for your responses.

Fr_Chuck
Nov 29, 2007, 08:46 PM
Tell court what they want to hear, then do what you want after divorce is final, that is what happens in real life anyway

The court can not because of division of church and state rule on religious beleifs and teachings, their lawyer is really dropping a ball here.

Of course we don't do toothefairy, santa, or easter bunnies, we have egg hunts, wrap gifts and I have even done a santa in my yard at christmas,
So I do follow somewhat the mans beleifs, but the issue is the court can not, demand you change your teachings, you have the legal right to show the child your religious belifs also,

Get this lawyer on the ball, make him earn his money,

kindj
Nov 30, 2007, 11:20 AM
I read what I could find online about Pentecostal beliefs and haven't seen one yet that he practices.

And that is what I would advise the lady to do as well and she can bring that to the judge.

As far as the issue itself, I've seen Pentacostals of all flavorings. Some do go the totally hardcore route--usually with the best of intentions. Others choose the Pentacostal denomination for other reasons--they like the worship style, the preaching, whatever--but they don't fall in lockstep with others who are more strict.

I'd find me a local Pentacostal pastor or three and get their input on it, both in general and as it applies to this situation specifically. I'm not sure, but I'm almost willing to bet you'll get at least two different answers.

buzzman
Nov 30, 2007, 11:32 AM
I don't mean to sound dumb and I searched online but couldn't find my answer. Can anyone tell me what Pentacostal beliefs are regarding Christmas, the idea of a Santa Claus to be more specific.

My sister and her husband are going through a divorce. They have a 2 yr old and have to agree on all major decisions, one being religion.

He has decided that he is Pentacostal(he goes a few times per month) and she(the 2yr old) can not believe in Santa Claus, but can celebrate Christmas. He also says that she can not celebrate Valentine's Day or believe in the Easter Bunny. These things are against his religion.

Thank you in advance for your help.
There is nothing saying that you cannot believe in Santa Clause in the Pentacostal faith. The problem usually stems from the roots of his upbringing. There are all sorts of people that do not understand properly, and often it gets misrepresented by others at the same time. The bible simply teaches that some people's faith allows them to eat just vegetables, others allow them to eat everything. God simply states that it is strictly personal. Whatever you do better be done with proper intentions, or your reward is in full. It cannot be done just because your parents said so. It has to be because you are being prompted. Only God knows the individual's heart. Whatever is on the inside will come out on the outside. If he is coming across extremely offending, this is not the spirit of God, it is his own opinion getting in the way. We all do it to a certain extent.

savedsinner7
Nov 30, 2007, 05:00 PM
I don't understand why anyone would want to force a child to believe a myth anyway. Christmas is to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. Saint Nicholas was a man who gave items to the poor, not some magical fat man who comes down your chimney. Easter is to celebrate the death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ. Where did the bunny come from? I agree with the father. My kids know the Truth. I do not encourage perpetuating a lie.

Nurisim
Feb 28, 2008, 11:04 PM
I think that part of the confusion with whether Pentecostals celebrate Christmas (if you type this question into Google, one gets several competing messages), and/or allow their children to believe in Santa Claus, is because few people really realize the sheer number of "Pentecostal" churches. You really have to find out what sectarian group of Pentecostal he belongs to. For instance, the United Pentecostal Church is very legalistic, strict, and traditional in its views. Fist Assemblies of God, on the other hand, is very a mainstream and open church. You also have Oneness Pentecostals, and then Trinitarian Pentecostals, who vary GREATLY from one another. Some Pentecostals also call themselves Apostolic, which causes further confusion because Apostolic doctrine often differs again. Some of these churches readily and fervently celebrate Christmas and encourage their children to believe in Santa. Some do not celebrate Christmas at all.
Really, I think you either need to go directly to his pastor, or get more info on exactly what church he goes to. Here is a list from wikipedia of Pentecostal churches List of Christian denominations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations#Pentecostalism)
Good Luck!

tryingtobereal
Dec 25, 2010, 10:51 AM
I am a person that attends an United Pentecostal Church. I have for the past 31 years, so perhaps I can be of help. I also as a child was Assembly of God.
The organization of United Pentecostal Church Incorported does NOT declare it is a sin to have a tree, to let children believe in Santa Clause, to believe in the Easter Bunny, to celeberate Valentines Day.

There are pastors who have personal convictions that possibly discourage a tree in Christmas, to teach children about Santa or the Easter Bunny. I have lived in two different states, and have friends from all around the United States and also are missionaries.

On a personal note... the utmost important thing is a person's relationship with Jesus. Is it a consistent, growing, and active relationship with the Lord. This is beyond Sunday and midweek services. It is at home. Is there an altar of prayer in your home that you go to daily. Not a literal altar, but a place you and the Lord have a talk about not only yourself, but your family, friends, co workers, other people's need that you run into. It is where you ask for your daily direction from the Lord.

I agree divorce is wrong but when it does happen, and it does... the first thing to consider is not the ownership of the house, dog, cars, or how much income one is deserved.
The utmost concern has to be the child. This will affect them the rest of their lives. During divorce there is so much pain and a desire sometimes for revenge, and to maintain control of what no longer will be in your control... However, if the person is truly Christ minded... He will allow the Lord to guide Him.. and not strain over a gnat when there is a bigger issue here... what will be planted in the child's heart. Will it be the love of God, and His mercy... and how we are to love everybody and treat everyone with kindness? Will it be the Word of God as the final authority or will it be with cutting down each other and making a child choose which parent to love the most?

If a person really wants to know what a faith believes, I would recommend to go to the UPCI.com website... to perhaps look on the church locator... even the church where this man goes and talk to his pastor.

paraclete
Dec 27, 2010, 01:29 AM
I don't mean to sound dumb and I searched online but couldn't find my answer. Can anyone tell me what Pentacostal beliefs are regarding Christmas, the idea of a Santa Claus to be more specific.

My sister and her husband are going through a divorce. They have a 2 yr old and have to agree on all major decisions, one being religion.

He has decided that he is Pentacostal(he goes a few times per month) and she(the 2yr old) can not believe in Santa Claus, but can celebrate Christmas. He also says that she can not celebrate Valentine's Day or believe in the Easter Bunny. These things are against his religion.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Without reading the other answers, Santa Claus, the universal provider, has no basis in Christianity, notwithstanding that the character is loosely based on an early Bishop who gave to the poor, Santa Claus as we know him is an invention of the Coca Cola company. We should avoid teaching children fables without telling them they are fables. If you want to teach your child about Christmas teach the child about Jesus birth and the importance of giving without expecting to receive. The Easter bunny is another fable which has no basis in Christianity and detracts from the very important message of the resurrection of Jesus

Jam4theLamb
Jan 10, 2011, 04:48 PM
As christians we must recognize the real reason for CHRISTmas. It isn't the gifts we receive from our imaginary friend named Santa who brings everyone gifts because they were good on christmas. But rather the celebrate the birth of Jesus, although he wasn't born on this day, we set aside a dad where we are thankful for all he has done in our lives. So TECHNICALLY the presents are from Jesus.

It's so sad how the world is trying to 'fit in'. Trying not to offend anyone. You walk in a store and they say "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas". And now-a-days christmas trees are starting to be call "holiday trees". It's ridiculous. Santa and the easter bunny should be elliminated from christmas and easter. Those days are days we set aside to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ!

Also, I'm pentecostal and I have no idea where he got the idea he can't celebrate Valentines day? You can celebrate whatever you want as a pentecostal but just ask yourself, "does this bring glory to THE ONLY one who deserves it?" Santa clause and the Easter Bunny ain't got nuthin on GOD! They won't get me to Heaven..

CandyHearts
Nov 1, 2011, 08:52 PM
A little correction for shygrneyzs... the United Pentecostal Church as a body does NOT say no to celebrating Christmas. There are people (in just about any denomination) who do celebrate, and those who don't celebrate. I have been a UPCI minister's wife for almost 37 years, and we do celebrate Christmas. We have a Christmas tree, lights, gifts, songs, Christmas play at church, etc, etc. I consider it a joyful and wonderful time of year, and even though I have heard all the objections against it (pagan origins, etc) I believe it is what it means to us that counts, since the Bible does not tell us to celebrate it, and it doesn't forbid it either. I enjoy Christmas, and most of the United Pentecostal people I know also celebrate it. :)

CandyHearts
Nov 1, 2011, 08:56 PM
One more thing... some Pentecostals do the Santa thing, although we have always felt it was not right to actually tell our children that there truly is a Santa Claus, one that flies all over the world on Christmas Eve and visits only good little girls and boys... this is a lie, and when they find out that it is not true, it may make them wonder what other lies their parents are telling them... that is my opinion... my kids always heard of Santa, and always knew it was a make-believe thing. They knew their gifts were bought for them by us. :)

grinoalda4
Apr 29, 2012, 04:26 PM
I have a very hard time believing that the evidence of the baptism of the holy spirit is ,speaking in tounges. I know I have been born again & have the power of the Holy spirit in my life.

grinoalda4
Apr 29, 2012, 04:28 PM
I have a very hard believing that the evidence of the baptism of the Holy spirit ,is speaking in tonges. I have been born again from above, & have the power of the Holy spirit in my life. I believe that allot of people are pretending .

stormygal
Aug 29, 2012, 11:27 PM
Well I am United Pentecostal and I believe that children should be taught the real reason for celebraating Christmas.. I thik they should be taught that the parents give the presents... and we exchange presents with each other.to commemorate the 3 wisemen bringing presents to the Christchild.. As for the Christmas tree I believe it is fine because the whole family can decorate it together and makes for togetherness... I don't believe parents should lie to the children and tell them that there IS a Santa Claus and a Tooth Fairy and an Easter Bunny. And then expect tttthe children to believe that you would never lie to them.. The real meaning of Christmas is Jesus s birth and many kids nowadays don't even know that.. all they think is that Christmas is presents

paraclete
Aug 30, 2012, 12:25 AM
I have a very hard believing that the evidence of the baptism of the Holy spirit ,is speaking in tonges. I have been born again from above, & have the power of the Holy spirit in my life. I believe that allot of people are pretending .

That is an offensive statement, I did not speak in tongues until I was baptised in the Holy Spirit. The Baptism in The Holy Spirit is separate from being born again although the infilling may happen at the same time. Scripture tells us to seek the gifts, that speaking in tongues edifies the speaker and I have found this to be true. I have seen people try to pretend they have been touched by God, they are a pathetic sight and the gifts find them out. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is not just speaking in tongues but about exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit in ministry

ng790
Nov 10, 2012, 03:37 PM
Pentecostal is not a religion it is a way of life when Jesus Christ was alive there was 50 days of feasts and celebration. They were touched by the Holy Spirit this is just a small short summary of what the word Pentecostal is about. About the dilemma of santa and valentines day. It depends if you want to be a true believer or just say you are, there are many people out there who say they are Pentecostal but just do what they feel like doing and leave out other parts they do not want to follow. In revelations we find the warning of adding and taking away from the bible.
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Revelation 22:18-19
Also in Deuteronomy 4:2 you find
You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you. Deuteronomy 4:2
The bible says in Exodus 20:3 You shall have no other gods before me Exodus 20:3 by this we do not praise anyone or anything who is not God including saints if you know the story of valentines day you know he was known as st. valentine. So we do not celebrate valentines because we would be praising him. In concerns to celebrating santa, he has blinded the world of what Christmas is really about, the birth of JESUS CHRIST this is just a part of a very in depth topic.

paraclete
Nov 10, 2012, 06:07 PM
What is the point of this. Pentacostals are basically fundamentalist Christians, they have read the Word and believed the promises of God. If you want to find people who have added to the Word look among the traditional denominations. Pentacostals may celebrate christmas, not because they necessarily believe that date can be verified but because they want to celebrate Christ with the rest of the community. We know Jesus did not tell us too celebrate his birth and the only celebration he wanted of his death was that we should remember him whenever we broke bread

. Everything else is not for him but for us, just blind religion

Paul gave us a warning about celebrating special days. We should not be too interested in such matters. We should not keep Valentines or any other "saint's" day but we surely can recognise commercialism when we see it.

riosbabyc
Nov 30, 2012, 02:30 PM
My sister in law is hardcore into her religion follows everything to the dot but yet when it come to Christmas she is decorating buying gifts and having her kids believe in Santa to me that's great, but her kids are being raised to follow Pentecostalism just like they are. Is there anything wrong with that?

CupidoJ
Dec 9, 2012, 12:34 PM
Here in South Africa we as Penticostals do celebrate Christmas fullout.With Santa on the roof tree in the house lights allover.We love to see our Kids happy.Everything is okay as long as you don't loose sight of the birthday boy