Should the United States build a fence along our southern border with Mexico?

Two, and some level of security between them.
In the military areas such as nuke missile base, they have automatic guns that shot anything that moves within an area.

That should must certainly slow them down abit.

We actually lecture other nations about the security of their borders.

And then of course make it a serious crime to be in the country illegal.
Now police will not even detain an illegal, since Immigration don't want them

I really do believe they should, living out here in California it's outrageous seeing some of this stuff that goes on out here, and I would suspect it's just as bad in Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. I think it needs to happen because no longer is this country needing immigrants.This country has changed from what is was in the early 1900's when around 8, 500,000 immigrated to the U.S. from 1900-1910, we don't have that many positions to fill anymore yet they keep coming. And when the world population rises, it seems likely that more and more will come. Just because there is more people doesn't mean there is more land. However, a fence is a very primitive way of keeping them out, I hope that America and Mexico could work together so that Mexicans will want to stay in their country and have pride in where they come from. I believe that is the best way to prevent immigration.

Should the United States build a fence along our southern border with Mexico? My brother lives in Las Vegas and would definitely agree with this,that's why he's moving to Oregon. This however, would not be necessary if the Mexican politicians were not so darned currupt and start caring about it's people, instead of keeping them all poor. But then again, maybe Canada should put up a fence too now... don't get me started... :mad:

Or, once that fence is up, let them in and make them get good paying jobs to pay taxes, and also put on a uniform instead of letting them take the money back home and using them as cheap labor- there's a double standard here and it should be stopped. Even though illegally in the US, they put up with abuse, minimum wages - kind of makes you think of what it's like in their country...

Hi,
Very good question.
The problem is that those who patrol the borders can't get enough money from the Federal Gov't. We need more patrols, more people, better equipment, and it all costs money; Federal money. The money isn't there, cause it's being spent in every other country in the World!
The US is trying too hard to protect other countries' borders and we here at home are left out in the cold. Until this is curtailed somewhat, nothing will change.
Many doctors here in my own local area are from other countries. They keep up their Visas, are not US citizens, and don't pay US taxes, but drive Mercedes and live in "mansions".
Many things will have to change before anyone is going to build double fences around any part of the US. The fencing we already have leaves a lot to be desired, with many finding ways to get over it. Money is the key to protecting our borders, and it falling way, way behind, along with money for Social Security, Medicare, and prescription help for our Seniors.
Unless those spending money in Congress wake up and smell the roses, the spending will not stop, much less to control our Mexican borders.

Hi,
Very good question.
The problem is that those who patrol the borders can't get enough money from the Federal Gov't. We need more patrols, more people, better equipment, and it all costs money; Federal money. The money isn't there, cause it's being spent in every other country in the World!
The US is trying too hard to protect other countries' borders and we here at home are left out in the cold. Until this is curtailed somewhat, nothing will change.
Many doctors here in my own local area are from other countries. They keep up their Visas, are not US citizens, and don't pay US taxes, but drive Mercedes and live in "mansions".
Many things will have to change before anyone is going to build double fences around any part of the US. The fencing we already have leaves a lot to be desired, with many finding ways to get over it. Money is the key to protecting our borders, and it falling way, way behind, along with money for Social Security, Medicare, and prescription help for our Seniors.
Unless those spending money in Congress wake up and smell the roses, the spending will not stop, much less to control our Mexican borders.I'm not sure this is applicable to all, as when you have a car, you need a license, and when owning property, you have to be 'registered' somehow, and therefore probably need a social security card to work too, so I think they do pay taxes. The ones that are illegally in the US don't pay taxes, that's the majority of the 'low paid' workers. If the physicians from other countries are allowed to practice in the US they also have to go through tests and accreditations to get their license to practice medicine in the US, unless they do this in basements and illegally working - then they would not make their lifestyles so obvious.. Just a thought...

NO FENCE. We nedd a cement wall 15 ft high with barbedwire, it should be about 12 feet wide so two vehicles could pass by on it, and we should have border patrol constently patroling the wall with sniper rifles. (Just because they have sniper rifles doesn't mean I think they should shoot everybody, purily intimidation.) *back to rational thought* yes, something needs to go up.

This is a distraught and depressing issue.. Maybe a time-machine should be constructed and used by the American Native Indians to biuld those cement walls to prevent immigrants from moving in to seek freedom of persecution and striving for a better future. Why the heck can't the currupt politicians be gotten rid of so that the world could concentrate on true brotherhood and peace. Are there any votes for a new planet? This one is going to hell and I really don't want to be around. I feel sorry for the future generations and leaders.

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_19_5.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZN) Can we really in all good conscience let this go on?

I feel you!!

I will admit that having illegals can help the economy by taking the low-end jobs, however, we are losing so much money because somehow they find ways of getting benefits. A fence, or wall, or what not would not be necessary if we reformed our welfare program etc, so that these people couldn't use them. However, aside from the economics discussion, I feel the fence should go up due to the war on terror. It won't be long until (or maybe it's already happening) we are being attacked on the main land because it's so easy for people to cross the border. It's a liablility issue. I agree, that illegals are just trying to make a living and imporve their living situation, they don't really affect me at all, but with the latter issue of terrorism, I have to conclude that something must go up.

I think we have to remember that some people out there just don't want peace, and there will always be corruption on this planet, there can and never will be a utopia, as easy as it is to do something good it is even easier to do something harmful and you cannot have one with out the other. It sort of ying yang. But we can improve it, I think that instead of improving this country for them, we should improve their country for them, because we are running out of room, and it will create problems if not already being a nuissance, so a wall yes, but maybe one that can open both ways.

As a baptized american the thought of a fence along the southern border of the U.S. sort of offends me,it goes against everything american that I grew up believing in.Even in today's world of fanatical terrorist just the thought of a fence just boggles my mind.Its a real shame that some of these ivy league politicions can't at least solve some of the problems facing us now,such as homeland security and illegal immigation.We've already got ordinary citizens patroling the border along with the border patrol and still they come.If mexicans can get through so can terrorist.What a world! Well the chinese built a wall I guess we can at least build a fence.I can go along with it but my heart just ain't in it. :confused:

I'm not sure what I would say whether we should or shouldn't but think about what America is supposed to stand for. The people and freedom and welcoming anyone and everyone. The whole philosophy is hell because it's going to kill us in the end we'll just welcome terrorists because we didn't know they were. I mean it's a load of bull and a double standard live one way or live the other. On the other hand I do understand a little how mexicans coming into America without going through the right channels to get here could be a problem. The way the government is it could take a year or two to get through the right channels eh? I don't blame them and I don't believe we should do something like that but I do believe they should go through the right channels it's just the government isn't doing their part. And about terrorism, like 9/11 so clearly stated, if you're a terrorist you're a little smarter than just rushing in to America illegally... you would most likely get here become a citizen work your way up and then make a move... Although China wouldn't really have to do that most anyone else would.

If you can't go over or around it... go under it. A fence will not fix anything. It will just make the coyotes more money from having to charge more to cross people just wanting to work and make some money.

If you can't go over or around it...go under it. A fence will not fix anything. It will just make the coyotes more money from having to charge more to cross people just wanting to work and make some money.

Install turrets? :p

If they want to come over and make money then they should do it legally.

EDIT - Whoops I just realised how old this question is, sorry!

If they want to come over and make money then they should do it legally.Hello s:

It's still a viable question, and you're still wrong. In order for your answer to be correct, there would have to be a viable legal way to get in... There isn't.. It takes about $5,000 and about 5 years... That's not going to work for a hungry family with a husband who just wants to feed his family.

excon

It's a double edged sword, while the immigrants coming to America do work the low level jobs, during this economy it would be needed. But that's not my main concern, my main problem is immigrants getting tax breaks when they come here and committing crimes with the only punishment, being sent back only to return again. Forget the fence, build a wall.

Hire some wall defense personnel to guard the wall, it won't eliminate the problem, but certainly slow them down.

But that's not my main concern, my main problem is immigrants getting tax breaks when they come here and committing crimes with the only punishment, being sent back only to return again.Hello Rome:

You're wrong on a couple of counts. I don't know what tax breaks they get. As a matter of fact, they have taxes deducted, but can't file a return to get the overpayment back, like you can. So, they PAY taxes. If there's a benefit or two they get, they're paying for 'em, just like you and me.

The other thing is the criminals... They don't get off... What do you think kind of prison system we're running here. We, for SURE, ain't no softees. No Siree. We make them do TIME, and THEN we deport them. I don't know if they come back or not.

excon

The tax breaks I am talking about are the ones that they are allowed 7 years without paying taxes, to establish residency here. A lot of the immigrants get them. This is from NJ, but they also get money to get started as well.(worked for the department that gave out these checks, didn't stay long because I got too angry)

And personally, I feel out legal system is a joke and completely imbalanced.

Ima have to say I don't agree on what your saying about tax breaks, I know a guy who's dad is illegal and he pays taxes every time knowing he won't be getting anything back at all, has a house he's paying on including property taxes. And I'm sure the government doesn't mind all those illegals being here when they get to keep all that uncollected tax money at the end of the year and you see everyone else going shopping like if they just won the lottery. Id have to say that's maybe millions if not billions of unclaimed tax money the government keeps.

Gs, I never once said the government was fair, believe me. I am one of the most anti- government people in America. They lie through their teeth and us Americans pay for it. Point lately, this whole bailing out banks and companies.

Here are a few questions that need to be answered.

1) Does the USA have a right to determine who enters its borders? Does it have the right to prevent criminals from entering in order to protect its citizens? Or are the needs/desires of foreign nationals of greater importance than the security of the USA?

2) Does the USA have the right to limit the number of people entering the USA to work or for any other purpose to prevent jobs currently held by Americans from being lost to foreign workers?

3) Does the USA have to have an open border policy to allow anyone and everyone who wishes to enter to do so without answering to any oversight?

4) What means has the government allowed for LEGAL immigration into the USA? Are these means sufficient? Why or why not? Are they insufficient? Whay are why not?

5) Which is paramount: The needs of foreign nationals to come to the USA to find work, or the need for the USA to protect itself from criminals, terrorists and other dangerous persons who are a potential danger to the USA and its citizens?

Until we answer these questions, we cannot address the issue of a fence. Until we are clear what our national goals are, we cannot determine the best way to achieve those goals.

I already have my answers to these questions. I already know what my goals are. Build the fence. It has been working well in Israel to limit terrorist incursions into Israel proper. We can do it just as well here.

Elliot

I already have my answers to these questions. I already know what my goals are. Build the fence. It has been working well in Israel to limit terrorist incursions into Israel proper. We can do it just as well here.Hello Elliot:

Couple things. The Mexicans want to wash your dishes, not blow you up. Plus, I for one, am not interested in paying lots more for my lettuce, grapes, clean sheets, and clean plates in my local restaurant. You are! How perfectly UN right wing of you.

excon

And here I thought you would be opposed to near slave like working conditions and well below standard wage.

The only way you get that cheap produce you desire is by maintaining that system here ;or by importing the product of low wage labor from elsewhere .

and here I thought you would be opposed to near slave like working conditions and well below standard wage.Hello again, tom:

Only people with full belly's sit around and discuss working conditions.

And, I'da thought that you would be opposed to an illegal immigrant union, but it looks like you'd support one.

excon

How could I be in support of an illegal immigrant union when I oppose illegal immigration ?

Your earlier response about reforming immigration rules made plenty of sense . However ,we the people have a right to decide who gets to live here. A nation that can't control it's borders has no claim to territorial control at all.

How could I be in support of an illegal immigrant union when I oppose illegal immigration ? Hello again, tom:

I don't know. It looked, for a minute, like you were worried about their employment conditions.

I don't disagree about our right to control who comes in... But, when you make a law that virtually PREVENTS people from coming in through the front door, as our immigration law with Mexico does, you encourage them to come in through the back door.

It would seem to me, that the way to fix it, is to change the law - not to try to throw out the million's of people, and destroy their families, simply because they wanted to mow your lawn.

But, that's just me.

excon

Nowhere did I say that anyone should be thrown out ,although the people who are here illegally need to be properly vetted and recorded . Some may need to be thrown out .

What we have shown in this country is a willingness to reform ;to give amnesty on condition that we would properly control the borders at some later date. The second part of the bargain has consistently been ignored once the first part is enacted.

I am all in favor of reform ;but this time lets take the steps to control the flow into the country 1st .Then WE DECIDE WHO COMES IN .

nowhere did I say that anyone should be thrown out ,although the people who are here illegally need to be properly vetted and recorded . Some may need to be thrown out .

What we have shown in this country is a willingness to reform ;to give amnesty Hello again, tom:

I was referring to your party. But, I'm glad to see that you disavow that particular plank. I think we agree here.

excon

I have tried to tell you before that I am not Republican . They are closer to me philosphically than the Dems but there is a significant part of the party that is not and never was conservative.

I have tried to tell you before that I am not Republican Hello again, tom:

Wow! So, you and Steve are coming over?? Cool. I know, I know. You won't be bringing Elliot along.

excon

I never was Republican .I quit the Democrat party some time ago and remain a registered independent. I may have to register at some point if the Republicans get their heads out of their butts in NY... but I don't see that happening soon . Even when the Republican party was legit in NY it was of the country-club Republican wing .

Hello Elliot:

Couple things. The Mexicans want to wash your dishes, not blow you up.

First of all, how do you know that?

Second of all, are ALL of the people coming over the Mexican border Mexicans?

Third, crime and terrorism are not the only sources of danger to the American people from beyond the border. There's a swine flu pandemic spreading throughout the world, and it originated in Mexico. Do we have a right to know that those coming over our borders aren't bringing swine flu with them? Or TB? Or avian flu? Or any of the thousands of other contagious bugs that exist outside the USA, but have been virtually wiped out inside the USA. (TB WAS one such case... we had it licked here in the USA until Mexicans with TB came here illegally and started spreading it around. Now TB cases in the USA are on the rise again.)

Fourth, whether they are Mexican or not, don't we have the right to determine who is coming over the border into our country before they come in?


Plus, I for one, am not interested in paying lots more for my lettuce, grapes, clean sheets, and clean plates in my local restaurant. You are! How perfectly UN right wing of you.

Are you really bringing financial arguments into this again, excon? Haven't I kicked your butt enough times on economic issues?

Labor is roughly 3%-6% of the cost of fresh produce at the store*. Even if we DOUBLED the cost of labor by only using Americans for our labor force, the cost would only increase by 12 cents on the dollar. So your $5 head of lettuce will end up costing about 60 cents more, not $20 dollars.

The REAL costs associated with fresh produce are in the transportation costs and the costs of storage. Scarcity als plays a role in the price of the produce. But labor is just about the smallest variable involved in establishing the price of produce.

But you miss my point again, excon. I'm not talking about keeping Mexicans away from doing these jobs. I'm not even talking about keeping them out of the country. I'm talking about making sure they aren't here ILLEGALLY. Let them come here if they want to. But let them do so in a legal manner, with proper oversight and proper checking of a) their intentions, and b) their health.

What part of that are you against?

Elliot

Hello Elliot:

Couple things. The Mexicans wanna wash your dishes, not blow you up. Plus, I for one, am not interested in paying lots more for my lettuce, grapes, clean sheets, and clean plates in my local restaurant. You are! How perfectly UN right wing of you.

excon

One more thing:

Why is it that when I ask an inconvenient question (or in this case a bunch of them) you ignore them completely and make a comletely different point. Please answer the questions that I posted above. Because it is by answering those questions honestly that you will have your answer to the question of whether we should build a fence on the border with Mexico.

Excon, I find it interesting that you, who are so worried about the cost of healthcare in the USA, are willing to risk importing disease to this country from Mexico, AND are willing to import uninsured illegal aliens to drive up the cost of healthcare in the USA.

Can you explain how or why a person who is so worried about the cost of healthcare in the USA is so willing to take actions that drive up the cost of healthcare in the USA?

On the other hand, if they are here LEGALLY, which is what I advocate, they will be sponsored by an employer or supported by family that is already here, who will help pay for his medical costs. And if he is here legally, we will know about his health status, and know that he's not bringing disease here, which will also keep costs of healthcare under control.

excon, I find it interesting that you, who are so worried about the cost of healthcare in the USA, are willing to risk importing disease to this country from Mexico,...Aren't there many visitors to your country from all over the world? Do you view them as disease carriers as well? When you build the wall, will you also ban the tourists because they may carry diseases?

I find it interesting that you, who are so worried about the cost of healthcare in the USA, are willing to risk importing disease to this country from Mexico,Hello again, El:

It IS interesting that you bring this up... Tis true, the first white men who didn't respect OUR borders brought along disease and pestilence. What people it didn't kill, they did.

So, given our own history, I'd worry too. But, you got to consider that not all peoples are as barbaric as we were.

excon

Aren't there many visitors to your country from all over the world? Do you view them as disease carriers as well? When you build the wall, will you also ban the tourists because they may carry diseases?

They all come here LEGALLY, with passports, visas, etc. They can be, and based on where they are from they often are, checked before entering. If they are from a high-risk country, you can be sure that they are either coming with medical documentation verifying that they are safe, or they are submitting to quarantine until they are cleared by a physician for entry. And YES it does happen regularly. Additionally, agro items, especially foods, are restricted as well, because of plant-borne disease risks. That is the job of the Department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Or at least it is supposed to be.

I never get "checked" before I cross the border, nor has anyone I know been checked, in fact that simply doesn't happen. Is Mexico and all its citizens always been considered a high-risk country for diseases?

Hello again, El:

It IS interesting that you bring this up... Tis true, the first white men who didn't respect OUR borders brought along disease and pestilence. What people it didn't kill, they did.

So, given our own history, I'd worry too. But, you gotta consider that not all peoples are as barbaric as we were.

excon

It doesn't take a barbarian to kill hundreds, even thousands of people. It just takes one illegal alien with a killer strain of anti-biotic resistant swine flu. One guy, feeling perfectly healthy but carrying the disease in an incubating state, who crosses the border, and gets sick.

Read "The Stand" by Stephen King. Just one Captain Tripps can wipe out all of North America. Just one Typhoid Mary with a particularly killer strain of a disease can wipe out whole cities. It has happened before... not on the scale of The Stand, to be sure, but it has happened.

The Bubonic Plague wiped out 50-60% of Europe's population between 540 and 750 CE.

The Black Plague killed over 25 million in a 5 year period in the mid 14th century.

In 50 years, between 1518 and 1568, the Mexican population dropped from 20 million to 3 million due to Typhus and Smallpox brough over by Europeans.

In 1918, the Spanish Flu killed 25-50 million people or about 2% of the world's population at that time.

Today, 250,000 to 500,000 people die each year of the COMMON flu. Swine flue is more virulent.

One accident is all it takes to turn this from a pandemic to an EPIDEMIC.

Why should we not protect ourselves by controlling the borders?

Elliot

NK can you legally cross the border into the US without going through a check point . The answer is no. Can I legally go into Canada without going through a border check point . No .

Why should our southern border be an exception to that rule ?

I never get "checked" before I cross the border, nor has anyone I know been checked, in fact that simply doesn't happen.

But it CAN happen. If you come in legally, you CAN be checked before entering. If you come in illegally, you can't be checked.


Is Mexico and all its citizens always been considered a high-risk country for diseases?

I don't about "always" or "all citizens", but I would suspect that it has been on the high-risk list for a while now. Several decades, at the very least. Mexico, because of its poverty, is a hotbed of disease. The people live both in squalor and in proximity to each other, at least in the cities. As a result, disease spreads and mutates very easily in Mexico. It is the same in most other South American countries, much of Asia, Africa and parts of Europe as well. So ICE is SUPPOSED to do a more thorough check of people entering from those countries than from lower risk countries. Whether they are doing a good job, I don't know. Given the swine flu pandemic, I would HOPE that they are working with the CDC to check high-risk entrants for disease.

But I DO know that if Mexicans come in without going through customs, there is NO WAY they are being checked. There is not way to control disease at the point of entry if we don't control the point of entry. And that is the only way to control the spread of disease in a pandemic environment.

Elliot

Just saying that "bringing in diseases" isn't really a valid argument, just a straw man argument.

Just saying that "bringing in diseases" isn't really a valid argument, just a straw man argument.

Tell that to the American victims of tuberculosis... a disease that had been eradicated from the United States in the 60s, but is back on the rise again, with carriers of the disease coming from Mexico and Africa and other impoverished areas.

I think it's a very valid argument for border control.

Elliot

Just saying that "bringing in diseases" isn't really a valid argument, just a straw man argument.a straw man only if you ignore the costs to the public for things like free healthcare for illegals and the greater public risk .

I know all my ancestors went through a medical screening before entering NYC.

Malaria was eradicated in the US and is now making a comeback . We used to never have cases of Dengue. There were only 900 cases of Leprosy in half a century prior to 2002 . Now there are 9000 cases in the US mostly among the illegal population.
The United States currently has one of the lowest rates of TB in the world.Mexico has one of the highest in the world . It is very expensive to treat a case of TB .Yet that is what our public health system is expected to absorb.
The list of diseases being transported into the country goes on .

Tell that to the American victims of tuberculosis... a disease that had been eradicated from the United States in the 60s, but is back on the rise again, with carriers of the disease coming from Mexico and Africa and other impoverished areas.Y'know people entering legally can also carry the disease. Anyway I am on your side, you should indeed wall yourself in.

Y'know people entering legally can also carry the disease. Anyway I am on your side, you should indeed wall yourself in.

Yes, they can. And if they come in legally, we can check them first. That is, in fact, part of ICE's job, as I have stated before. But if they come in illegally, they can't be checked first.

Elliot

Sounds like a lot of you are watching a little too much Lou Dobbs.

Sounds like a lot of yall are watching a lil too much Lou Dobbs.
Or someone revived a thread from 2005, when the debate was hot and heavy.

What ever it takes to keep them out, they are invaders it's just that they aren't trying to take over by military means, yet. You need to get a real perspective here, the invaders are not just some poor, down trodden, sods looking for a better life, they are people who have decided, without invitation, that they are going to take your job, eat your food and live next to you or even at your place, whether you like it or not. They have no respect for your laws, for your government or even for you.

I wish we could build a fence along our border with Indonesia, it would be much easier than chasing Indonesian boats filled with people around the Indian ocean. They are even delivering them right to the detention centre now

I thought that this would fit perfectly here: :)

Mexico Builds Border Wall To Keep Out US s | The Onion - America's Finest News Source (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/mexico_builds_border_wall_to_keep)

NK,

Regarding being checked at the Canadian border... Eric Hastings has a travel show on ABC radio and was discussing travel to the Canadian side of Niagra Falls this past Sunday. He was commenting that those on the bus with him were omplaining about the extra 10 minutes it took for American customs officials to check the passports of the American citizens who were returning from Canada at the end of the day. (His complaint was that these people need to ease up a bit and just deal with it, even if it costs them 10 whole minutes.)

Clearly someone is checking border crossings at Canadian border.

My point is simply that we should be doing the same thing at the Mexican border... we should be checking passports so we know who is entering.

Why is the idea of border enforcement so despicable to some people?

Elliot

Clearly someone is checking border crossings at Canadian border.Yup, that's a new thing very recently (http://www.consular.canada.usembassy.gov/passport_requirement.asp).
As much of my technical work is in tourism we were worried about possible declining tourism numbers because so few americans hold a passport and that the additional hassle might affect travel. So far the number of travellers are consistent with last year <fingers crossed>. And no, they aren't checking them for diseases.

I'm visiting in 3 weeks... like it or not .

Cool! I'll be in upstate NY in about a month. Whole family has passports since we go to Boston once a year as well.

Yup, that's a new thing very recently (http://www.consular.canada.usembassy.gov/passport_requirement.asp).
As much of my technical work is in tourism we were worried about possible declining tourism numbers due to the fact that so few americans hold a passport and that the additional hassle might affect travel. So far the number of travellers are consistent with last year <fingers crossed>. And no, they aren't checking them for diseases.

For the sake of both our economies, I hope that travel between our countries remains strong as well. IF travel from the USA to Canada tapers off, it won't be because of a lack of passports, which are easy enough to get. It will be a sign that Americans can't afford to travel for their vacations.

No they are NOT checking for disease right now. But they CAN check for disease. If the Swine Flu gets as bad as some suggest it might this winter, we may see exactly that. Border enforcement officials on both sides may require either a doctor's note showing a clean bill of health or a medical check for swine flu (with quarantine until they are cleared) before allowing any border crossings and possible spread of the disease in either direction. It would only make sense to do it as a precautionary measure.

The point is that if there is a border checkpoint, such things CAN be checked, whereas if people come in illegally without passing a border checkpoint, they cannot be checked, and thus become high-risk possibilities for contagion. IF your desire is to stop the spread of contagion between countries, the only way to do it is through tight control of borders.

All I am saying is that we should have the same standards for our Southern border as we have for our Northern border. Why is that so wrong?

Elliot

I can't wait . Will spend the week hiking in the parks near Quebec City .

All I am saying is that we should have the same standards for our Southern border as we have for our Northern border. Why is that so wrong?Hello again, El:

There's nothing wrong with it. It's a WONDERFUL idea. All you have to do now is pass laws and implement them that allows people to come in according to OUR standards.

But, it takes MORE than just wanting. It actually takes GOVERNING. We don't have laws like that right now... So, people sneak in - even the diseased ones. Oh, I know you think we do, but you're wrong. So, the thing to do is actually pass laws that work instead sniveling about people breaking the law.

You DO know, that they're only supplying the DEMAND that we create. You know, that right wing economic stuff. It should be understandable...

Or do you think the Mexicans would RATHER break the law?? I'll bet you think that crap.

excon