I know there are many different nominations and beliefs and opinions about the subject of sin. So here goes. Have any of you heard about the UNFORGIVABLE SIN? If you have exactly what is this unforgivable sin. At the same time I thought all sin can be forgiven?

What is your take?

Joe

The only unforgivable sin that I believe is suicide.

The only unforgivable sin that I beleive is suicide.I would agree, but am not sure. If you have not checked this Bible, here's a link.

http://www.bible.com/bibleresources/keywordsearchresults.php?keyword=unforgivable+sin&multiplemethod=all&matchwholewords=1&version1=31&numpageresults=10&sortorder=bookorder

There are too many versions and pages. Good Luck.

Almost all sin can be forgiven. The only unforgivable sin is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Mark 3:29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin." (thanks Chery for the online bibles). I don't like to take one scripture because you can take it out of context but this one does speak for itself(for the most part). Brief reason is that by blaspheming the Holy Spirit you are saying no to him. By saying no you are cutting off the connection between you and Jesus who is the one who saves you. Of course, I gave a Christian point of viee which I am.

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Passage Mark 3:29:
29But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.




Depending on which Bible is read, it's still the same meaning. Thanks for the hint.
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The one unforgivable sin is that of rejecting Christ. Doing so will condem you to hell for eternity with no chance of forgiveness. With this one exception, all other sins are forgiveable. Believing in Christ and acknowledging him as your Lord and Saviour and repenting of your sins is how you get your sins forgiven, whatever they may be.

To thine own self be true. You can't pour coffee into the sand, and then remove it. Be careful what you do and say. You are accountable to yourself. Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.

Almost all sin can be forgiven. The only unforgiveable sin is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Mark 3:29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin." (thanks Chery for the online bibles). I don't like to take one scripture because you can take it out of context but this one does speak for itself(for the most part). Brief reason is that by blaspheming the Holy Spirit you are saying no to him. By saying no you are cutting off the connection between you and Jesus who is the one who saves you. Of course, I gave a Christian point of viee which I am.
Please give the meaing of the word "blaspheme" as used in the passage, thank you.

Sage, the meaning of blaspheme in context to this passage is to rejection of, irreverence of, to speak evil of. Your welcome.

Sage, the meaning of blaspheme in context to this passage is to rejection of, irreverence of, to speak evil of. Your welcome.
Thank you for your response. Would you agree that the idea of "rejection" would fit best when considering the ultimate rejection of the Holy Spirit and His working in the act of salvation

or

does the idea of "speaking evil of" fit the gestalt of the New Testament better? Im thnking that Yehoshua was saying two things at once.. 1 that if oyu speak evil of me you can be forgiven, but he who rejects the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven"

I say this based on the gestalt of the entire NT for example when the Lord was on the cross He cried out "Father forgive them for they know not what they do" they had railed against Him, beat Him to pulp and finaly crucifed Him and He wanted them to be forgiven.

However we also know from various passages that the believer is "sealed by the Holy Spirit" and or "filled with the Holy Spirit" and that no unbeliever has The Holy Spirit. So if we consider that there is no salvation without the sealing of the Spirit it would be reasonable to say that the ultimate or unforgivable sin is the rejection of the working of The Holy Spirit.

what do you think?

okay I don't know if I'm stupid or just can't read properly, but after reading the question then the answers I still don't know what the unforgivable sin is .
thank you

Denying God, Denying Jesus, Denying the Holy Ghost. By denying a connection by unbelief. I think that is what it is. Although there is one person that is saying suicide is an unforgivable sin because your throwing life back in Gods face. Meaning God gave you live and you decided to take it away prematurely and that is unforgivable because you are denying the gift of life that God gave you. It is all in the interpretation though.

Yes, that's the one. Denying the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin. Not suicide. Only God knows the heart.

Okay maybe I sound dumb here, but I don't get the unforgivable part. By unforgivable does it mean that even if a person asks for forgiveness later on they can't get it? Like are they doomed or cursed no matter what? I'd never heard of this unforgivable sin, it's kind of interesting.

Denying God as the creater. Unbelief..

God is the only judge, the final judge. Your right orange if there was no forgiveness for a certain sin it sounds as if somebody is doomed. Is it actually Gods law, or human law to keep people in line?

Denying God as the creater. Unbelief..

Okay I understand that. But couldn't you change your mind later and believe in God again? Or is God going to say "sorry you had your chance... now scram!". That's the part I don't get. Or is it unforgivable because of the person themselves, that they never get to the point of changing their minds? Kind of like the people in the "grey town" in C.S. Lewis' book "The Great Divorce". Assuming anyone has read that, haha. It's one of my favorites. :)

Actually it kind of reminds me of the old Jewish warning/sin not to speak the name of God, YHWH, out loud. It's supposed to bring down a curse on you or something... almost sounds like a remnant from an old tribal religion, that!

Maybe it is. I need to read up my bible again. I read it daily growing up and as a teenager but now that I am focused on other things I spend less time reading it. I do not always go by just what religion says. So I should investigate it ,but quite honestly I think a worse sin would be committing suicide because you are throwing your life away that God gave you as a gift. What do you think?

Yes I agree, I think suicide is really wrong, and very tragic. But I personally think that most people who commit suicide are actually not in their "right mind" at the time. I mean usually they're very distressed, depressed, desperate, psychotic, etc, and therefore not thinking clearly. In those cases I believe they don't really want to die; they're just using death as a very extreme way to get out of what they perceive as a hopeless situation. I've talked to people who've made serious attempts at suicide, later on when they're well again, they're glad they didn't go through with it, because they weren't thinking rationally at the time... it wasn't "really them". I think that God would would make an allowance / have mercy on someone who committed suicide because they were very ill at the time. Humans usually have a strong will to live, so wanting to die seems quite abnormal to me.

Now if someone was completely sane and balanced and committed suicide... that's a different story. That does seem like taking your life into your own hands and going against the laws of God, nature, etc. Jewish tradition actually holds that you must protect your life above all else, as it is sacred.

I remember having this very discussion with my father when I was young(er). He still teaches in a Church to this day.

What it comes down to is what is in your heart. Yes, it is true that denying Him is unforgivable. However, only He knows when you truly mean this or not. He knows what is in your heart.

Once you have truly denied Him, you will never change your mind. Maybe because the conviction is that strong or maybe because God has removed His hand from your heart.

If you DO change your mind then you must have held Him in your heart still... even if it was in the deepest recesses of your heart.

At least that is what we had come up with :)

The subject of suicide is interesting. Many people would say this is unforgivable because you cannot ask for forgiveness once you are dead... but can you ask for forgiveness of a Sin PRIOR to committing the Sin?

Once you have truly denied Him, you will never change your mind. Maybe because the conviction is that strong or maybe because God has removed His hand from your heart.

I couldn't comment on DrJizzle's reply but I think he is right on. God is so simple but also there are complex parts to His laws because we are humans and can only comprehend so much. I believe it is to the point where your heart is so hardened against God you won't truly go to Him.

Romans1:20-32 is an example of someone hardening their heart to something against God: Romans1:20-27, 29-32 is the abckground of what they did (I am not quoting the whole scripure for the sake of space).

Romans1:28 read:

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting

Even though those things they did still won't keep them from Heaven if they repent from it, it is what is in their hearts as never wanting to.


If you DO change your mind then you must have held Him in your heart still... even if it was in the deepest recesses of your heart.


I believ this to be correct also.



I think suicide is really wrong, and very tragic. But I personally think that most people who commit suicide are actually not in their "right mind" at the time. I mean usually they're very distressed, depressed, desperate, psychotic, etc, and therefore not thinking clearly. In those cases I believe they don't really want to die; they're just using death as a very extreme way to get out of what they perceive as a hopeless situation.

I think your right. If the person had the love of God in their hearts and committed suicide, they would still go to Heaven, however, their rewards would be taken away (as it talks about in the bible).

I believe that the only unforgivable sin is rejecting God, Jesus, Holy Spirit the three as one. Even suicide can be forgiving. People who are so sick like little children will not be turned away. As long as they believe and ask for forgiveness.I have never read anything about Judas going to Hell. Christ had a predetermined mission from God. Someone had to sell Jesus out for the mission to be complete. So was it his will or not ?

I read somewhere that the only unforgivable sin was to claim a state of sinless (which is often the theme of ultimate evil in literature and history) and although it seemed pretty lame at first, later after I had turned it over and over in my mind, I realized it was a pretty good checkmate to blocking out any sunlight of the spirit... just a thought?

I agree with those saying that the unforgivable sin is plain and simple, rejection. I think it is final on judgement day when everything is before you, God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost and you still deny them. I think that is the unforgivable sin. Until then as long as we are sincere, all can be forgiven. As for the suicide thing. I think only God or Jesus can judge that one. I think people who do commit suicide are obviously not in their right mind and I think only He or They can decide what to do in the end.

Aqua@home:

I agree with you when you use the word REJECTION. Only insofar as it pertains to the Holy Spirit. That is what it says in the Bible. " But blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven"

When you say" on judgment day ", I think it's too late at that point for anyone who hasn't already accepted God, Christ, and the H.S.
Those people will be judged anyway based on their sin, and will go to eternal damnation. Whereas believers will not be judged on their sin because of Jesus who already paid the price for our sins. Believers will be judged by their works. The ones who did well for the Lord and brought Him glory will have special positions and recognition in the " new life".

First, I'd like to stress out that my answer IS NOT RELIGIOUSLY connected, but is only a moral point of view.

In regard with the debate here, I would like to quote our national poet, the late Mr. Chaim Nahman Bialik:


"even the satan has not yet invented the revenge for a little child's blood"


I'm sorry I can't translate it in a poetic way, but I hope the idea came through.
So, blood shed of innocent victims, especially infants, could be considered as "the unforgivable sin"?

Millie

The only unforgivable sin that I beleive is suicide.

I am sry but I believe that IS TOTLE BS

Why the**** would that the unforgiveabel sin

Some times people are so diprest that they feel they have no other choise

Have you ever meet some one who had so much sadness in them that they felt killing them self was there only choise

Well I have had meny people very dear to me feel that way and I do not believe they have sined at all not even the ones that are dead now from actually committing suicide

I believe people who feel they have no other choose then that have not sined but have been sined apone so meny times that they want it all to end

Suiside: when some one killes them self

In the literel sense that is true but I believe that suiside is not killing yourself but when the people around you are so crule that they have killed you inside and there for it is almost like them who has killed the person

And of you think that people who have to resort to that are bad people or don't deserve to live because they took life for granted well then you must not know any one who's life is so misseribel that is is not even like you are living inside any more your body is moving but your mind and heart are alredy dead

And if you want to go around thinking they are bad people then you can go **** yorself because you are then the most inconsiderite unfeeling A**H*** I have ever meet (I am sry is I have afended you in any way but I have to exspres how I feel)

Wow Dude pretty harsh words!! I can only speak for myself. If you go to the Psychic section on this site & check out What Next ? You will see in my life I have lost & suffered more then most. Being Bipolar, with a Deperssive Personality Disorder pretty much sucks!! I have been on the EDGE many times. ONLY GOD knows FOR SURE if taking your own life is a true SIN. But straight up it is a F_____g sellfish thing to do. My wife offed herself in Feb. 2004. The affect it had on me is beyond words. Grief does not come close!! Also the affect on her Daughter, Mother, Friends, are horrible.The only reason I have not gave in & DONE MYSELF is my strong faith in God. Hoping tomorrow will be better. And most the time it's NOT BETTER!! Also the affect it would have on my 76 year old mother, who I help take care of. ONLY PERSON in my family that will. Also the affect on my best friend my cat Baby. I am not trying to feed you any SUGAR COATED CRAP. It's Freaking SELLFISH thing to do, for others who are still here. This is just me, but this site is for DISCUSSING ISSUES. You don't have to like or agree to what anybody says. Sounds like you take it a little to personal. So if I have offended you OH WELL! Go F____k Y______F!! But still I will always tell you God Bless! And mean it!! Oh, BUMMER .guess you didn't see spell check on this site. Also I used to Took through life. Just to old now. Hard on the lungs & to expensive!! :)

even if you don't give c*** if you ofended me in your anser I am sry if I ofended you

and I say god bless you right bad

but you are all stating how you feel on this subjeckt I believe I should be abel to also

I may have a habit of getting pissed off about that kind of stuff easyer but this is just my vuw

and also my vuw that you should never try to hert some one mentely or phisicly that is why althow I am very strong with my opinyon I am sry if it herts any one

althow I do believe that it does hert the people around you and that is why I will never do that ether I do believe that some people relly do care about the people who it herts they relly think they are not loved or relly I don't know how to exsplane it but relly are suck and feel it is the only thing they can do

althow I did not tell you people at first because I don't like to talk about it I will now

but I am only 13 my father killed himself two years age and althow it relly herts me inside that he could not linve not even for me I saw him prake in to peces when I was only 7 years old it was just me and my dad around and he started to cry harder that I had ever seen any one cry before I know he was truly sad and he need to move on and althow he did that to me I still love him and pray for him every night ask god to have him be happyer were he is now then on earth

I also ask god for his forgiveness of what my father has done because this isn't the first time I have heard it called the unforgiveabel sin and I can't stand the idea of my father being heart again to this day two years later I always pray for him because I love him and althow he left me and my sister I know he lived me more then anything

I will not tell you what happened to my father to make him so sad but trust me there are things in life that can hert enuf to make some one want to die

I hope your wife (I think you said she was you wife)was forgived by god to and I truly hope I have not hert any one thank you
bibi

I said bad I meant to say back *I say god bless you right back

By the way I know I am a bad speller forgive me and most the time people can know what mean on school stuff and thing I spell chaek and if bothers you here I will but I think you kbow what I mean so I don't always see the point in spell cheaking

Life is harder for some then others. My dad got blown away (shot) over nothing when I was 10. As far as my wife. She suffered from Chronic Depression for years. At 37 she was still very much a child. I do & must believe God does forgive people who are very sick (mental) & children. My wife even at 37 was both. For me I have to look back at my life. I was a raging Alcoholic/ Drug Addict for 33 od my 49 years. Even before I was 19, I had been shot, stabbed, and got Hep C. Since then I have been close & should have died many times. Herion overdose, DT's Alcoholic seziures. Having 100's of unprotected sexual encounters. Putting needles in my arm with other peoples blood in the syringe. Cooking up dope using toilet water. And NEVER CONTACING AIDS The list is long. But my faith in God is strong. I believe Stacey (wife) died so I could live. God does have a plan for me. So I keep fighting to live now. Even though many days I don't want to, being in black depression. Life is a trip, 1 day at a time. Only being 13 life is just starting for you. But you MUST KNOW. Your actions in everyday life will have a profound effect on the final outcome. Only you can direct it by making the right turns in life. So do the best you can before making that turn. Think before you make that turn. Should you go left or right, in the roadmap of life. Take this from a old guy who made many wrong turns in life. But by the grace of God, I am still here to write this. God Bless!! :)

RUBLUE:

And the beautiful thing about God's grace is how when you take Jesus as your redeemer, God has said in His word that the former sinful life is forgiven and also forgotten by Him. So we can forget also. And obtain healing and rest for our souls.


God is the one who created hell. And He's the one who sends someone there.

I believe as a Born-again Christian that for unbelievers in Christ- That this is the closest to Heaven they will ever experience. And that for believers- That this is the closest to Hell we are ever going to experience, With a large percent of us being extremely blessed also.

RUBLUE, I am glad god has blessed you and hope he helps you in hard times to come so you can be here to help people who need it
Take care :) ;)

p.s. (to all who it may consern) don't exsept limitations be all that you can be don't just love with your haert when you can do so much more love with body, mind, and sole
Love the one the who hates you, care for the one who has done you wrong, and pray for all who need it even thows who have done wrong, pray that they may be forgived and learn to love as you have

I pray for you no matter who you may be

I don't know Pumpkin. I to am a born again Christan. God is and creates all. So in sense I guess you could say he created Hell. But Satin as all evil spirits were falling Angels who rebuked God even before creation. But since nobody living knows for sure, we live on faith & hope. My motivation for faith is eternal life, to spend with my savior Jesus Christ. I do not believe Heaven is a place with big fluffy clouds, long white beards, and harps. But energy from our soul to flow in harmony with others from the being of creation. Persons who try the best they can to be decent, loving, caring human beings. No mental or physical pain. No sterss, drama. Just cruise in total peace with others FOREVER. And I so believe what you do in this life will have a profound effect on what happens when you exit this life. But that's just me!! :)

Also Pumpkin remember I live the best as I can A Christian life. But as all, fall way short of what God intended. That is the reason for the good news of Jesus Christ. But I also Believe God will not condem all to Hell that don't know Jesus. They are good decent people who can not know Christ. There are many factors for this. One being a country as North Korea, China just to name a few. Where the teaching of Christ is not there. There are millions of good decent people all over the world who never herd the name Jesus Christ. It is not their fault. They have no control or say in the matter.

RUBLUE: Not to disagree with you about Heaven but about your statement about" nobody knows for sure". To me that is only half believing." When the Spirit
comes, he will lead you into all truth".

If you believe in the Bible then you would state that Satan's rejection of God resulted in HIS judgment in this life and the next.

From my own " God moment" or "Burning Bush" experience, I would say that Heaven is all you said,and without pain or tears, a BLISSFUL Spiritual/mindful existence where we worship God in the company of those we love, and are truly satisfied & happy.


Aqua@home:
That is such a nice and generous thing to say! Don't ever change Buddy... The world needs people like you!

And( love and be loved ) too! I meant you in the 1st place :p

Reminds me of a song - - your screenname -
My mother was a singer and she could sing... "There was a boy...a very strange enchanted boy" Those were part of the lyrics for a beautiful song - I think the name of the song is" Nature Boy".

Well, I really think that that was a nice song.

31 Pumpkin, I don't think you should hold God responsible when you say HIS judgement put them there. I think that God did what he had to do. He said this is the consequence and those fallen angels decided, so that was the consequence. He simply followed through, He had no choice. Those people were responsible for what happened to them. For example: the justice system doesn't decide just anybody goes to jail. People choose actions and put themselves there.

Just a comment to add about suicide. I do believe that suicide is a sin. Throwing a gift back in Gods face. Life is how you make it. It is all in the out look of life. Do I know anything about suicide. I think there was two cousins by marriage. Step Grandmother and Uncle by marriage all committed suicide. The uncle was hardest because my Step dad is the one that found his body. At one time it was taught in the church that people who commit suicide go to hell, but there is a more liberal belief that people who have gone so far and committed such a desperate act has been forgiven because they are considered mentally ill. I for one do not know, It is Gods ultimate decision on what happens. Murder is murder and killing yourself is murder. I dreamed about my uncle many times and the whole family both sides were effected. There was lots of blame going around, but the blame that does go around is all scape goats. No one can blame anybody for a choice that one person made to end his/her life. That person that committed suicide is responsible for his/her choice period.

Joe

I think this is murder, however I think it is up to God to decide. He will take into consideration mind-set, etc. If someone is attacking me or my children, I could possibly murder them in self defense. I don't believe that God would really punish me for this. He will take all things into consideration.

Not to disagree or disrespect PUMPKIN. But look up the word Faith. I know there is a living God, of a living Universe. But Faith is Faith. Believing in something that can not be proved by a scientific explanation. Very few have come close by having a after death experience. But close is not there. And even their storys conflict. So as the good Christian you are to suggest that I only half believe in God is being JUDGEMENTAL. I think I saw something about that in the Bible. Have a great night. God Bless!! :)

That is the thing we never know. God is the ultimate Judge. It is not up to us, but I do believe that there are certain things that God consider sin. Throwing the gift of life back in Gods face because in my own personal heart that is what life is a gift. That we need to learn to do our best to love others. Love is the greatest experience to give and share with others.

GEZZZZZ!! I agree. But I have the feeling you do not suffer, or can wear the shoes of a seriously mentally ill person. I will just leave it at that.

I would like to also say that there are some who even argue the defination of hell and what it really means. In some versions of the bible hell is considered the grave. The grave is where the dead go. So is hell the grave? Or burning sulpher of continuous punishment? Although the core of the earth is pretty hot. What do you think. The only reason why I mention this is because hell has been brought up and many people look or feel differently about what hell is or where it could be, for example some hold the belief that this earth and all of us here is a form of hell. I do not believe that at all. It is all in the out look the person has in life that makes the difference.

Hell is one mans concept. The idea of a negative force, that goes against good came from a so called prophet, from a religion that came & died many centurys before Mosses. Concept, idea, thought, comes from living man. I believe idea, thought, is influenced by God. But it still comes from man.:)

MARK: 28-29 - (Jesus speaking)" I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemies against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."


And for those who believe in Purgatory. I believe the only way to "free" those loved ones is to seriously forgive them. :rolleyes:

Mark 28:29. Very cool reading. Still Sin & Hell can be argued till the end of time. Way back I think on page 2, I stated the only true UNFORGIVABLE SIN is rejecting God (Jesus Christ) if you know of him. The Bible says if you repent, accept Christ as you Lord & Savior & change your evil ways you will be forgiven. I know no human can truly undestand God's total unconditional love for all. And is not my place to judge. And I don't even try. For a person like Jeffery Dhamer to repent and be born again in prison. If in fact he did, he to will be forgiven and given eternal life in the kingdom of Heaven. Just a thought.

Yes, you are correct from what I know. Rejection of Jesus Christ would prevent someone from eternal life. However, it is not just for those who know Him. There are missionaries around the world who have and are bringing the promises of Jesus to many. Ultimately the world cannot say they didn't have the opportunity to receive Jesus. For the Bible says- You cannot get to the Father, except through the Son.

Also, denying the Holy Spirit would be the same as rejecting Jesus because even unbelievers have a spirit. That is either 1) self-spirit or 2) demon spirit. So by rejecting Jesus, a non-believer also rejects the Holy Spirit of the Living God.

So, do you see my logic?

Pumpkin yes the word has been spread for 2000 years. But that fact is, there ARE PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD who never heard of Jesus Christ. There ARE INDIGENT RELIGIONS were the men go into the water & dance. They believe that is how children are born. There are NO MISSIONARIES to go to the small villages in China & spread the good news of Christ. And other countries as well. I am not trying to argue this with you. It is a FACT. I do not believe God will condem or punish the good & decent people. Anymore then the American Indians who for centuries were not aware of Christ. Their Belief goes even before Christ came to this earth. I believe God just want's people who basically follow the Golden Rule. Love others as yourself. And put God, or whatever their concept of God is First above all.

I don't know RUBLUE. The Bible is more explicit on salvation and sin. I know that those who were before Christ (as seen in the old testament) will be judged based on their belief in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.( I didn't say that. I heard my Pastor say that.)

And there are missionaries in Chinese villages tooo. In fact, I heard something yesterday on the news related to that. I didn't pay close attention but it was regarding a disregarding for papal influence coming to the Chinese. Maybe I could find it in the archives and get back with you later. :)

Just a thought: Is it not possible that a soul can continue to learn after death? If you have missed God's message on earth, isn't it possible to have opportunity after death? I think it is, because as rublue says, not everyone will have the opportunity here on earth. Isn't that only fair from a just and fair God? Who says judgement happens immediately after death?

While I have heard that babies are justified just because of their innocence and to what age a child is deemed "saved" for the same reason is something I don't think anyone knows, and maybe that's up to God only.


While your thoughts are nice...


Now who are we to Question God?

Revelation 21: 1-8
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, " Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. HE will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said," Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."
He said to me: " It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magical arts, the idolaters and all liars- their place will be in the in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."


So, by you saying Aqua@home that goodness be a requirement for heaven... I think that is going to be a matter of Faith.

Touché... 31pumpkin, I will have to get back to you on this one. Boy, this group really makes you think. LOL

I believe that committing Blasphemy. When doing this you are turning your back complete on God. Someone who loves God want turn their back on God even during hard times. Also, I believe that suicide is wrong. Someone who ends their own live is just wrong. If you truly love and live for God, you will know that God will fix what ever you are going threw in due time, and that you have a reason to live.

I believe that committing Blasphemy is an unforgiviable sin

I don't know RUBLUE. The Bible is more explicit on salvation and sin. I know that those who were before Christ (as seen in the old testament) will be judged based on their belief in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.( I didn't say that. I heard my Pastor say that.)

And there are missionaries in Chinese villages tooo. In fact, I heard something yesterday on the news related to that. I didn't pay close attention but it was regarding a disregarding for papal influence coming to the Chinese. Maybe I could find it in the archives and get back with you later. :)
It is all intresting conversation. But until we pass, no none will no for sure. Also intresting is what you said about people being judged by the Old Testament, living in that time. I know from the book of John. It is said to some effect, Jesus was by the side of God in the beginning of creation. So he was with God when Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob were doing their teachings. I just don't know!! The way I read & understand my bible, all God fearing Jew's will go to Hell. Not accepting Jesus Christ as their lord & savior. Not accepting Jesus, the only unforgivable sin. (?? ) The only way for eternal life. And you are right about missionaries teams in China. I will admit a lot of the information I share comes from different reliable sources, such as the History Channel. But I believe there are people who never have been exposed to the teachings of Christ. Therefore will not be condemned by God. All I can do, is the best I can do. Have strong faith, read my Bible, lot's of prayer, & TRY to be the best person I can be.

Just a thought: Is it not possible that a soul can continue to learn after death? If you have missed God's message on earth, isn't it possible to have opportunity after death? I think it is, because as rublue says, not everyone will have the opportunity here on earth. Isn't that only fair from a just and fair God? Who says judgement happens immediately after death?



You are right, God doesn't eternally condemn people because they lack crucial knowledge necessary for salvation and have behaved wickedly due to making uninformed decisions.

Luke 23:34
Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.”...


These unjust ones will be given learning opportunities after death via the resurrection.

Acts 24:15
KJV: And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Conditions will be different then and all those who didn't get a fair chance will be provided with the essential knowledge for salvation.

Habakkuk 2:14
For the earth will be filled With the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, As the waters cover the sea.

I believe that committing Blasphemy is an unforgivable sin


Suppose the blasphemer is insane, or grew up in the belief that the God he is blaspheming isn't really God?

The only unpardonable sin is not accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and Lord, by the time you die.

The only unpardonable sin is not accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and Lord.

How is that unpardonable... If I don't accept Him today but then I do tomorrow, it has been pardoned, right?

How is that unpardonable.... If I dont accept Him today but then I do tomorrow, it has been pardoned, right?

YES great point, DrJizzle... I always unpardonable meant that it could NEVER be forgiven.

Yeah, well the idea of the unforgivable sin is that once it has been done, it is eternally unforgivable.

I don't think the original poster meant things God or Jesus doesn't approve of :cool:


How is that unpardonable.... If I dont accept Him today but then I do tomorrow, it has been pardoned, right?

txgreasemonkey agrees: Yes.


txgreasemonkey, you seem to be a Man of Christ. What do you think the "unforgivable sin" is? We are looking for that which, once committed, it will not be forgiven, regardless of repentance.

I'm seeing a lot of opinions, it's important to look at context. Christ gives two very specific examples of what blasphamy against the holy ghost really is. When he is accused of casting out demons by the power of the prince of demons (satin), he says, "can a house stand that's devided against itself, truely I say not. All sin shall pass away, but blasphamy against the holy ghost shall not pass away but is a mark on your eternal saul." now think about this, he is saying that if he indeed were cansting out demons by the prince of demons, he would be committing blasphamy against the holy ghost. This does not co-inside with the idea that it is rejecting Christ. Later, at the last super,when he tells his deciples that one of them will betray him, he again refers to this, and says, "All sin shall pass away, but whow to him who betrays the son of man, it would be profitably to him if he had not been born. If all other sin is forgiven, then this must also be blasphamy against the holy ghost. Both examples intail secret betrail, with intention of working against God. A traitor in the midst, if you will. Both examples can be found in mathew and mark.

I'm seeing a lot of opinions, it's important to look at context. Christ gives two very specific examples of what blasphamy against the holy ghost really is. When he is accused of casting out demons by the power of the prince of demons (satin), he says, "can a house stand that's devided against itself, truely I say not. All sin shall pass away, but blasphamy against the holy ghost shall not pass away but is a mark on your eternal saul." now think about this, he is saying that if he indeed were cansting out demons by the prince of demons, he would be commiting blasphamy against the holy ghost. this does not co-inside with the idea that it is rejecting Christ. Later, at the last super,when he tells his deciples that one of them will betray him, he again refers to this, and says, "All sin shall pass away, but whow to him who betrays the son of man, it would be profitably to him if he had not been born. If all other sin is forgiven, then this must also be blasphamy against the holy ghost. Both examples intail secret betrail, with intention of working against God. A traitor in the midst, if you will. both examples can be found in mathew and mark.

It is important to look at dates also.
You summoned up a thread with no activity four 4 years.
But that is forgivable , once or twice.

I believe that there is no unforgivable sin. Denying the holy spirit is not an unforgiable sin. God loves you no matter what you do. If you deny him he will forgive you and offer help. Jesus ALWAYS forgives no matter what we do. If you deny help that's your loss and you will not see him in heaven. Jesus ALWAYS forgives us he does not hold a grudge. (ps I'm a 10 year old.)

Never mind. I asked my mom about it and she said the one unforgivable sin is denying jesus.

the only unforgivable sin is denying jesus christ as your savior