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allroadsleadtojamaica
Oct 15, 2007, 09:48 AM
If your not christian does that mean your going to hell?
Also, if your still christian and you sin, does that mean your going to hell?

RickJ
Oct 15, 2007, 09:53 AM
NO! Any Christian who teaches that those who do not profess Christianity are going to hell are in serious error.

No to the 2nd part too.

allroadsleadtojamaica
Oct 15, 2007, 09:58 AM
I should have asked, if your not saved, are you going to hell?

MoonlitWaves
Oct 15, 2007, 10:55 AM
i should have asked, if your not saved, are you going to hell?

It is the Christian's belief that if you are not saved you are going to hell. John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. This verse among other's tells us that the only way we can enter Heaven and dwell with God for all enternity is through salvation.
As for your other question, that is not completely agreed upon by all Christians. Some believe once you are truly saved, you are always saved. Meaning if you sin after salvation it does not mean you are going to hell. I have discussed this with other Christian's who believe that if you don't ask for forgiveness for a sin/sins before you die you will go to hell. Which means you lose your salvation upon every sin committed.
I personally believe that if you are truly saved then you are always saved. God knows we are imperfect and that we will sin, even after salvation. This of course doesn't mean we are excused from sinning and can do whatever we like. The truth is, if you are truly saved you won't want to sin and will try your best not to. But you will and God knows this. Therefore why would He require you be saved after every sin? It doesn't seem logical to me, nor merciful, nor loving, nor caring. It is contradicting to me.

RickJ
Oct 15, 2007, 12:26 PM
Allroads, note that the above is not biblical. One verse is cited then extra meaning is added to it.

This is the problem with taking verses out of context - and forgetting that each part of the New Testament was written to a specific people in a specific time.

Remember: Christianity is 2000 years old. It did not start with the Reformation.

MoonlitWaves
Oct 15, 2007, 02:00 PM
Allroads, note that the above is not biblical. One verse is cited then extra meaning is added to it.

This is the problem with taking verses out of context - and forgetting that each part of the New Testament was written to a specific people in a specific time.

Remember: Christianity is 2000 years old. It did not start with the Reformation.

Nothing is taken out of context Rickj. Prove me wrong. I would like to know where in the Bible we are told that there is another way to be saved. And that you can enter Heaven without salvation.

shygrneyzs
Oct 15, 2007, 02:28 PM
Your question depends on who you ask. A non Christian will tell you that not being a Christian does not preclude you from Heaven. An atheist will tell you there is no Hell or Heaven. Go on down the list of beliefs and see how many answers you can come up with.

Your second question - if you do believe in the concept of sin and you do sin, and you do not seek forgiveness and truly repent of your sin, then yes, Hell is a possibility. I am not a subscriber to the once saved always saved belief.

You rephrased your question to ask if you are not saved, are you going to Hell? If you were never presented the Holy Scriptures, the testament and gospel of our Lord, then how would you ever know about salvation? You are not responsible for what you have never received instruction. You are responsible once you have heard - you can accept or deny - that is your free will. The rest is in the hands of God.

savedsinner7
Oct 15, 2007, 03:58 PM
if your not christian does that mean your going to hell?
also, if your still christian and you sin, does that mean your going to hell?
Matthew 7:22-24 (New King James Version)
New King James Version (NKJV)
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22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

John 10:27
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

Matthew 7:13-14
The Narrow Way

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because[a] narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."

Jesus said many will call Him LORD, but not obey. We are known as His by obedience to His voice and His commands.

sGt HarDKorE
Oct 15, 2007, 04:01 PM
Well I believe your actions decide if you go to heaven or not. So what if Hitler was a christian... Tht should not mean he gets to go to heaven. No that is now how it works. You can be an atheist and still get into heaven. As long as you make a difference in the world and help others you are allowed into heaven. Being a Christian simply means you get a head start but we all no the race is not over in the first 30 seconds of a cross country race.

Also the bible says women should not be allowed to speak. Should we follow that one too? No.

The bible is so old that anyone could have mass produced their own copy back in the day and people wouldn't have known better and bought that one. So I'm sorry but in my mind, I look to what is right and wrong in my mind, than a book.

Call me an atheist or w/e.

But this is my opinion.

If only christians was allowed into heaven, that is like racism. Its like saying only whites can do a certain thing. That's stupid and God isn't like that. He wouldn't sacrifice his own son to be like that. Or at least my god would not

RickJ
Oct 15, 2007, 04:46 PM
Nothing is taken out of context Rickj. Prove me wrong. I would like to know where in the Bible we are told that there is another way to be saved. And that you can enter Heaven without salvation.

Many excellent points are made by others here. What we say we believe is not what saves us.

There is not another way to be "saved" other than by Christ. Not by ourselves. So since not by ourselves and by Christ, then who is to say that the one saved necessarily "knows" Christ?

I think many will be surprised in the end. Those of us in paradise will be surprised by both who is there and who is not.

And none of those not with us will be surprised that they are where they are.