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tomder55
Oct 9, 2007, 10:11 AM
The Spectator of UK thinks so .



A meticulously planned, brilliantly executed surgical strike by Israeli jets on a nuclear installation in Syria on 6 September may have saved the world from a devastating threat. The only problem is that no one outside a tight-lipped knot of top Israeli and American officials knows precisely what that threat involved.

Even more curious is that far from pushing the Syrians and Israelis to war, both seem determined to put a lid on the affair. One month after the event, the absence of hard information leads inexorably to the conclusion that the implications must have been enormous.

That was confirmed to The Spectator by a very senior British ministerial source: 'If people had known how close we came to world war three that day there'd have been mass panic. Never mind the floods or foot-and-mouth — Gordon really would have been dealing with the bloody Book of Revelation and Armageddon.'
According to American sources, Israeli intelligence tracked a North Korean vessel carrying a cargo of nuclear material labelled 'cement' as it travelled halfway across the world. On 3 September the ship docked at the Syrian port of Tartous and the Israelis continued following the cargo as it was transported to the small town of Dayr as Zawr, near the Turkish border in north-eastern Syria.

The destination was not a complete surprise. It had already been the subject of intense surveillance by an Israeli Ofek spy satellite, and within hours a band of elite Israeli commandos had secretly crossed into Syria and headed for the town. Soil samples and other material they collected there were returned to Israel. Sure enough, they indicated that the cargo was nuclear.

Three days after the North Korean consignment arrived, the final phase of Operation Orchard was launched. With prior approval from Washington, Israeli F151 jets were scrambled and, minutes later, the installation and its newly arrived contents were destroyed.

So secret were the operational details of the mission that even the pilots who were assigned to provide air cover for the strike jets had not been briefed on it until they were airborne. In the event, they were not needed: built-in stealth technology and electronic warfare systems were sophisticated enough to 'blind' Syria's Russian-made anti-aircraft systems.

What was in the consignment that led the Israelis to mount an attack which could easily have spiralled into an all-out regional war? It could not have been a transfer of chemical or biological weapons; Syria is already known to possess the most abundant stockpiles in the region. Nor could it have been missile delivery systems; Syria had previously acquired substantial quantities from North Korea. The only possible explanation is that the consignment was nuclear.

The scale of the potential threat — and the intelligence methods that were used to follow the transfer — explain the dense mist of official secrecy that shrouds the event. There have been no official briefings, no winks or nudges, from any of the scores of people who must have been involved in the preparation, analysis, decision-making and execution of the operation. Even when Israelis now offer a firm 'no comment', it is strictly off the record. The secrecy is itself significant.

Israel is a small country. In some respects, it resembles an extended, if chaotic, family. Word gets around fast. Israelis have lived on the edge for so long they have become addicted to the news. Israel's media is far too robust and its politicians far too leaky to allow secrets to remain secret for long. Even in the face of an increasingly archaic military censor, Israeli journalists have found ways to publish and, if necessary, be damned.

The only conceivable explanation for this unprecedented silence is that the event was so huge, and the implications for Israeli national security so great, that no one has dared break the rule of omertà. The Arab world has remained conspicuously — and significantly — silent. So, too, have American officials, who might have been expected to ramp up the incident as proof of their warnings about the dangers of rogue states and WMDs. The opposite is true. George Bush stonewalled persistent questions at a press conference last week with the blunt statement: 'I'm not going to comment on the matter.' Meanwhile the Americans have carried on dealing with the North Koreans as if nothing has changed.

The Syrian response, when it eventually came, was more forthcoming but no more helpful. First out of the blocks was Syria's ambassador to the United Nations, Bashar Ja'afari, who happily announced that nothing had been bombed in Syria and nothing had been damaged.

One week later, Syria's Vice-President, Farouk a-Shara, agreed that there had, after all, been an attack — on the Arab Centre for the Studies (sic) of Arid Zones and Dry Lands (ACSAD). Brandishing a photograph of the Arab League-run plant, he declared triumphantly: 'This is the picture, you can see it, and it proves that everything that was said about this attack was wrong.'

Well, perhaps not everything. The following day, ACSAD issued a statement denying that its centre had been targeted: 'Leaks in the Zionist media concerning this ACSAD station are total inventions and lies,' it thundered, adding that a tour of the centre was being organised for the media.

On Monday, Syria's President, Bashar Assad, offered his first observations of the attack. The target, he told the BBC disingenuously, was an unused military building. And he followed that with vows to retaliate, 'maybe politically, maybe in other ways'.

Meanwhile, the Washington Post noted that the United States had accumulated a growing body of evidence over the past six months — and particularly in the month leading up to the attack — that North Korea was co-operating with Syria on developing a nuclear facility. The evidence, according to the paper, included 'dramatic satellite imagery that led some US officials to believe the facility could be used to produce material for nuclear weapons'. Even within America's intelligence community, access to that imagery was restricted to just a handful of individuals on the instructions of America's National Security Adviser, Stephen Hadley.

Why are all sides so reluctant to clarify the details of this extraordinary event? 'In the Middle East,' noted Bret Stephens, a senior editorial executive at the Wall Street Journal and an acute observer of the region, 'that only happens when the interests of prudence and the demands of shame happen to coincide'. He suggested that the 'least unlikely' explanation is a partial reprise of the Israeli air strike which destroyed Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor in 1981.

Another of the 'least unlikely' possibilities is that Syria was planning to supply its terrorist clients with 'dirty' bombs, which would have threatened major cities through­out the world. Terrorism is a growth industry in Syria and it is only natural that, emboldened by its Iranian ally, the Syrian regime should seek to remain the market leader by supplying the ultimate weapon to Hezbollah, Hamas and a plethora of Palestinian rejectionist groups who have been given house-room in Damascus.

The Syrians have good reason to up the ante now. The Alawite regime of Bashar Assad is facing a slew of tough questions in the coming months — most particularly over its alleged role in the murder of the former Lebanese leader, Rafiq Hariri, and its active support for the insurgency in Iraq. Either of these issues could threaten the survival of the regime. How tempting, then, to create a counter-threat that might cause Washington and others to pull their horns in — and perhaps even permit a limited Syrian return to Lebanon?

But that does not explain why the consignment was apparently too large to be sent by air. Look deeper and you find an array of other highly plausible explanations. The North Koreans, under intense international pressure, might have chosen to 'park' a significant stockpile of nuclear material in Syria in the expectation of retrieving it when the heat was off. They might also have outsourced part of their nuclear development programme — paying the Syrians to enrich their uranium — while an international team of experts continued inspecting and disabling North Korea's own nuclear facilities. The shipment might even — and this is well within the 'least unlikely' explanations — have been intended to assist Syria's own nuclear weapons programme, which has been on the cards since the mid-1980s.

Apart from averting the threat that was developing at Dayr as Zawr, Israel's strategic position has been strengthened by the raid. Firstly, it has — as Major General Amos Yadlin, the head of Israel's military intelligence, noted — 'restored its deterrence', which was damaged by its inept handling of the war in the Lebanon last year. Secondly, it has reminded Damascus that Israel knows what it is up to and is capable of striking anywhere within its territory.

Equally, Iran has been put on notice that Israel will not tolerate any nuclear threat.

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We came so close to World War Three that day (http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/222736/we-came-so-close-to-world-war-three-that-day.thtml)

Dark_crow
Oct 9, 2007, 10:48 AM
The Spectator of UK thinks so .



read the rest @
We came so close to World War Three that day (http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/222736/we-came-so-close-to-world-war-three-that-day.thtml)
Tom

Bush should have done that in Iraq…it would have saved a lot of trouble.

But where is the connection to WW 3 in that day…

tomder55
Oct 9, 2007, 11:21 AM
But where is the connection to WW 3 in that day…

Do you mean the Iraq connection ? If so ;then yes ;President Bush made a compelling case based on the best available intelligence about Saddam's violations of WMD provisions of UN action and the cease fire agreement . He also made a case based on past actions by Saddam that he would use wmd given a chance ,and that he equally had a working relationship with various terrorists groups .It was never the concern of him using them that was critical ;but the transfer of wmd to terror groups .

Much of the Bush case has been subsequently proven true by documents seized after the invasion .The Duelfer Report concluded that Saddam was even more dangerous in many ways than we had realized because although he was more disarmed then we realized (he kept considerable amt.s of wmd but not the stockpile that we thought) ,he had not only retained the basis of both his Chem/Bio weapon program in tact ,but also his nuclear ,and that he planned to reconstitute it after the sanction regime collapsed (which since the revelations of the Oil for Food corruption ,we know that was immenent) .

Saddam Hussein's chief nuclear physicist Dr. Mahdi Obeidi revealed that critical parts of the nuclear program was buried in his garden on orders for Saddam.

It was incumbent of Saddam to provide the evidence of compliance with the various sanctions and the cease fire deal . Instead he played a game of cat and mouse hoping to wait us out.

But back to the Israelis ; did they offer any justification at all ? They perceived a threat and acted on it.

Dark_crow
Oct 9, 2007, 11:46 AM
Tom

It's my contention Bush ought to have acted in a similar way, through intelligence and bombing; as it is, we don't know what was sent in the way of wmd to another country, and the cost in money and lives would have been saved.

tomder55
Oct 9, 2007, 12:04 PM
If you recall that was tried in 1998 Operation Desert Fox . Saddam concluded after that abbreviated campaign that he could wait out the US pressure. He was also persuaded by enablers like Jaques Chirac and Putin that they would be able to block any action against him . So he remained defiant.

A single raid like this would've had no effect .Perhaps a prolonged bombing campaign like the Balkan campaign that was done despite no UN consensus would've toppled Saddam.But I suspect that the outcry against that would've been equal to the one the anti-war crowd made anyway.

ETWolverine
Oct 9, 2007, 12:49 PM
Tom,

I've been talking in private with Dennis about this subject.

The entire event has been very telling.

First, take the fact that Israel definitely hit SOMETHING in Syria. Of that we no longer have any doubt. Nobody is officially recognizing what was hit, but we know its something.

Then, let's ad the fact that despite the fact that it was Israel that did the operation, whatever it was, and despite the fact that Israel is generally Europe's whipping boy on all issues involving the Middle East, the world has been pretty much silent. No calls for UN resolutions, no condemnations, no demands for apologies or calls for sanctions against Israel. With the exception of a pro-forma protest from Syria, North Korea and Turkey, nobody's saying anything. And even those protests have died down.

So what happened and what is happening now?

Here's my guess, and it jives pretty well with Dennis' guess.

Israel got word that North Korea is partnering with Syria (and Iran?) to develop WMDs, particularly nukes. They found out about a shipment of nuclear materials or equipment from NK to Syria. They bombed the hell out of it. Syria doesn't want to admitt what it was Israel bombed, so aside from a pro-forma protest, they are keeping their mouths closed. NK, which promissed last month to end all attempts to obtain nukes, got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. So they are also keeping their mouths closed. Turkey had to make a pro-forma protest because whatever happened encroached on their border (and possibly something exploded inside Turkey as well, maybe a fuel drop-tank from a plane that was damaged?), but they are secretly happy about whatever action Isael took. Europe knows what it was that Israel hit, and it has them scared spitless, so they are happy that Israel did what they did. The other Arab and Muslim countries also know what it was that Israel hit and they don't want Syria to have it, so they are keeping their mouths closed as well.

But it gets deeper than that. Syria and Iran have been spending huge amounts of money to equip their military with the best anti-aircraft defense system that money can buy. They actually have put the best Russian anti-aircraft system in existence online (at quite a large cost) before the Russians even have the system fully on line. For years they have been bragging about how their new system will be able to completely eliminate Israel's and the USA's air superiority. They have been putting every egg they have in that basket and truly believed that their system was inpeneterable to Israel and the USA. Iran has been talking about how there is no way that Israel could possibly pull another Osirak, because their defenses are too strong.

So what happened?

Israel waltzed in, not just a small encroachment, but a major attack on the far side of Syria, across all those vaunted defenses that Syria and Iran spent all those billions on, and they bombed the hell out of some target. Not only did they take out the target, they did so without any losses of their own, despite all those formidable defenses. (And if Israel can do that, you have to know that the USA can do it as well.) Syria was completely naked and defensless. The attack was a statement by Israel that "we can attack you at any time or place of our choosing and there's nothing you can do about it."

So Syria and Iran are spitting bricks. The question in their minds no longer is "Can Israel and the USA attack us" but rather "When and where will they attack us". And it changes the entire political equation. Syria is no longer confident of their ability to stop Israel and Iran is no longer confident of their ability to stop Israel or the USA. Bush and Israel are making out as if it was no big deal. They are remaining silent and refusing to even acknowledge that anything took place. Which just emphasizes the entire event's message: "Piss us off, and we can and will hit you at any time we want, we won't even break a sweat or waste time with political statements or press briefings".

This has to weaken Ahmadinejad's position in Iran. Ahmadinejad's entire position has been based on the assumption that Iran could beat off any attack from Israel or the USA through their defensive systems. He's been blustering because he thought Iran was untouchable. Whatever happened in Syria, though, has proven that assumption to be in error. The Mullahs in Iran, who until now have been supportive of Ahmadinejad's bluster because they also believed in that defensive superiority, have to be questioning Ahmadinejad's position now. They have to be rethinking relations with the USA and Israel right now, and they may very well feel that since Ahmadinejad has been the face of Iranian bluster, they need to change that face in order to rehabilitate their relationship with the USA and Israel. Even if not, the PEOPLE of Iran have to be thinking in those terms. "What has the Mahdi Hatter gotten us into?"

I don't know if Israel's actions stopped WWIII or not. But whatever they did has had a direct effect on the entire region and the world at large. Observers on both sides of the issues have been shaken by the event, whatever it was. And I suspect the ripple effects will be a long time in coming.

Elliot

Dark_crow
Oct 9, 2007, 01:11 PM
A fine analysis, Elliot, thanks.

BABRAM
Oct 9, 2007, 01:59 PM
Israel got word that North Korea is partnering with Syria (and Iran?) to develop WMDs, particularly nukes. They found out about a shipment of nuclear materials or equipment from NK to Syria.
This has to weaken Ahmadinejad's position in Iran.

I don't know if Israel's actions stopped WWIII or not. But whatever they did has had a direct effect on the entire region and the world at large. Observers on both sides of the issues have been shaken by the event, whatever it was. And I suspect the ripple effects will be a long time in coming.

Elliot


The W3 plot seems a stretch, but as high-tech as some countries have become I guess there's the possibility. Israel considers their own safety first and in around about way that effects the region. The idiots in Syria should have known that Israel has proven to have the best intelligence in the region, perhaps in the world. The US Air Force needs to make a few runs on Syrian government buildings and military installations. Between Israel's recent actions and ours that would give Ahmadinejad acid-indigestion before instigating anything new.



Bobby

tomder55
Oct 9, 2007, 04:23 PM
Nicely done Elliot ;you hit on my follow up question before I had a chance to ask it . It was going to be knowing that Syria has the best electronic military equipment the Russians can provide ;do you think that the Iranian air defense is equipped with the same systems ? AND ;how much information sharing went on between the US fleets that exercised in the Persian Gulf this year and the IDF ?

Satellite images would immediately detect what was hit ,and it doesn't make sense that the world would be tight lipped if it wasn't nukes.


This also appears to have a relationship with the recent turning of the NORKS about their nuke program. Part of the agreement is the NORKS revealing which parties they have made nuke agreements with.The NORKs of course deny any proliferation but the deal was more important to them then keeping mum.

But also on the flip side ;the NORKS have been known to break deals in the past and the public revelation of them supplying nuclear material to Syria could be a deal breaker. That could explain the silence by us .
After all ;otherwise this would be a prime talking point in the further demonstrating that the nexus of rogue States that was a key justification to the Bush Doctrine was and continues to be an existential threat [especially if the nexus was complete with the hand-off of the material to Hezbollah] . But we will not take credit in supplying the info because we are making headway with Pyongyang .

But ,if my scenario is true one has to be a little concerned about the quality of our intelligence services. Why would it take turning the NORKS to discover they had shipped nuclear components to Syria ?

speechlesstx
Oct 10, 2007, 10:39 AM
Tom

It’s my contention Bush ought to have acted in a similar way, through intelligence and bombing; as it is, we don’t know what was sent in the way of wmd to another country, and the cost in money and lives would have been saved.

You mean instead of seeking UN approval and building a coalition? The anti-war crowd has whined incessantly about Bush's "go it alone" policies, imagine if he really had "gone alone" in Iraq.

Dark_crow
Oct 10, 2007, 10:49 AM
You mean instead of seeking UN approval and building a coalition? The anti-war crowd has whined incessantly about Bush's "go it alone" policies, imagine if he really had "gone alone" in Iraq.
If I had meant that I would have said it; did you have trouble with my words?:)

kindj
Oct 10, 2007, 11:34 AM
Yes, they did.

I don't know if it would've sparked off WW3 or not, but my suspicions are that it would've been big and severely shifted the balance of power firmly into the bad guys' hands.

tomder55
Oct 10, 2007, 11:41 AM
Dennis

I agree . I think this also send a clear message to Ahmamadjihad .

I also read an unconfirmed report by DEBKA today that the Syrians may have been working on air burst warheads that would've been designed to disperse a dirty bomb more effectively.

speechlesstx
Oct 10, 2007, 12:11 PM
If I had meant that I would have said it; did you have trouble with my words?:)

No, just checking :D