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swapwap
Oct 8, 2007, 06:33 PM
HOW TO BEAT A COLLECTION LAW SUIT: 4 STEPS TO SUCCESS

By Andy Nelms, Esq./Montgomery, Alabama
Alabama Attorney handles FDCPA and FCRA consumer complaints (http://www.attorney-in-alabama.com)

DISCLAIMER: This article comes with a giant, very real DISCLAIMER. This article does not and is not meant to give legal advice. I am not YOUR attorney and we have no attorney client relationship. If you use any of the information imparted by this article, you do so at your own risk and I strongly urge you to consult your own attorney.

This article is written with the assumption that the debt for which you are being sued is a valid debt and that it is your debt. If you are being sued over a debt that's not yours, please stop reading this article and call me directly, immediately!! (334) 263-7733 Even if you aren't in Alabama, I'll find a local lawyer in your area for you.

If not, then the difficult moment of truth has finally arrived; you've been sued by a debt collection attorney. So, what do you do now, assuming you simply cannot pay the debt?

STEP ONE
The very first thing you do is request a Federal Fair Debt Collection Practices Act debt VALIDATION pursuant to 15 USC Section 1692(g) See Validation of Debts. NOTE: Some refer to Validation as Verification. In my humble opinion there is no difference so don't let the language confuse you. As far as I'm concerned, for purposes of this article, Validation and Verification are the same thing.

The United States Congress has given us help pursuant to 15 USC Sec. 1692(g). See Validation of Debts. This statute requires a collector to cease collection activities pending the debt's verification or validation. In addition, any credit collector found in violation of 1692(g) is subject to suit and penalties pursuant to the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, 15 USC section 1692(k). See Civil liability

What is validation or verification? Simply put, proper validation of a debt depends on the specific nature of the dispute. At a minimum, the debt collector is required to confirm with the creditor that the amount being claimed is correct and that the person he is attempting to collect the debt from is the person who owes it. The most basic response to a validation/verification request would be for the collector to provide the name of the original creditor and some simple statement regarding the alleged amount owed.

A Word of Caution; I have seen, and you may see, Internet sites exclaiming that collectors must provide an expansive amount of information, and some will lead you to believe that if the collector does not answer an exhaustive list of specific validation requests, then a violation of law is created. THIS IS FALSE, FALSE, FALSE!

The United States Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals has opined that validation can be nothing more complicated than this: "Verification of a debt involves nothing more than the debt collector confirming in writing that the amount being demanded is what the creditor is claiming is owed; the debt collector is not required to keep detailed files of the alleged debt." See, Chaudhry v. Gallerizzo, 174 F.3d 394 (1999). (So, don't listen to those internet pundits! No, wait! I'm one of those! Okay, you can listen to me. :)

All that having been said, requesting validation of the debt works for two reasons: First and most importantly, it buys you some time. Under the FDCPA, all collection activity must cease until the attorney puts that verification in the mail to you. The verification is usually a simple statement signed by the creditor, and it will not take the collection attorney long to obtain it or mail it, but it does "stay" collection activities, including law suits, until answered. Secondly, it sends a signal to the collection attorney that you are not going to be a rollover debtor. He knows you will be active in the defense of the suit.

The last point is very critical because a high percentage of collection suits simply proceed to default judgment without any response from the debtor. Default judgment is a collection attorney's dream. He loves consumers who don't answer law suits and, believe it or not, a majority of law suits filed by collection attorneys go unanswered because the debtors feel like they can't fight the debt in court, usually because they feel they owe the money so they have no point in fighting.

However, by filing a validation request, you send a very strong message to the collection attorney that you aren't going to give up. He might actually have to go to court himself and you may force him to prove the debt.

Also, by filing the validation request, you actually stay the collection proceedings. Thus, if a collection attorney cannot move forward against you in a collection suit, the chance of your having a default judgment against you is greatly diminished. They don't like that one bit.

HOW DO I FILE A VALIDATION NOTICE?

Validation of a debt is very simple and the response is also very simple. The statute requires the collector to give the debtor the name and address of the original creditor. Some courts have also required the collector to give a simple accounting of the debt, i.e. the principal, interest, and other added fees such as attorney's fees. Again, I have seen a lot of "on-line" verification/validation form letters asking for information and documentation the FDCPA doesn't require the collection attorney to give you. Such far reaching requests immediately tell the collection attorney you really have no idea what you are doing. The form letters also make threats which simply irritate the collection attorney. And perhaps simply enough, they are wrong.

The FDCPA operates on the least sophisticated debtor standard so you don't have to be fancy. Just make sure you do it in writing and send it certified mail. Simply ask the attorney to verify the debt in accordance with the FDCPA.
See this sample validation letter:

REMEMBER: ALWAYS SEND LETTERS TO COLLECTION AGENTS VIA CERTIFIED MAIL.

It's very important not to be antagonistic. Don't threaten the collector and don't lie. Don't threaten to sue him or report him to the Bar or say you have an attorney if you don't. These tactics don't intimidate collection lawyers and simply mark your file for extra special attention. Finally, a certified mail written request for an FDCPA verification may end the collection process. That is true in a very small percentage of cases, but it is worth taking as a first step.

STEP TWO
The second step is to file a SWORN DENIAL. This step is vital, especially if you don't owe all the money for which you are being sued. Don't lie to the court; if you owe the amount in question, you cannot deny the debt. However, seldom does the collection attorney sue for a correct amount. I'll explain why in another article, but for now take it on faith that seldom can the collection lawyer justify in an accounting the complete debt sued for.

The sworn denial is a simple statement filed with the court once you are sued. This needs to be a statement in WRITING that you FILE with the court where you have been sued. It can be a simple statement, but it needs to be typed, signed, notarized, filed with the clerk of the court, and a copy sent to the collection lawyer. It needs to be a graduated denial. In other words, it needs to say, "I deny that this is my debt and if it is my debt, I deny that it is still a valid debt and if it is a valid debt, I deny the amount sued for is the correct amount".

The sworn denial is a powerful tool! It eliminates the Sworn Affidavit of Account that the collection attorney has. The vast majority of collection suits proceed without a witness for the creditor. The collection attorney enters an affidavit, signed by the creditor, that the debtor owes the debt and that this is the amount. With that affidavit in hand, the court gives the creditor a judgment. When a sworn denial is filed, the debt collection attorney cannot rely upon a sworn affidavit of account, but must instead produce a live witness to testify about the debt. The requirement of a live witness changes the dynamic of the collection action considerably. The likelihood that the action will go no further now increases again.

swapwap
Oct 8, 2007, 06:33 PM
STEP THREE
The third step is to file DISCOVERY. This is more difficult than simply filing the sworn denial. You need to file a written Request for Production of Documents asking for a copy of the contract or agreement upon which the debt is based. If the debt is a credit card debt, it is likely that the debt collection attorney will not be able to secure a copy of the original agreement, or if he is, he will not be able to do so timely. Most credit card signature agreements are scanned, or if older, microfilmed and stored away in electronic archives. If it is an old debt which has been sold to a debt purchaser, the likelihood of retrieving the original signed agreement decreases dramatically. If you are being sued in a small claims type court where discovery is not permissible, ask for the agreement at trial.

FOURTH STEP
The fourth step is TRIAL. SHOW UP! I can't stress that enough. As I've said repeatedly, the vast majority of debt collection suits proceed to default judgment because no one shows up to dispute them. Show up and ask for a trial. And remember, the worst thing that can happen is the same thing that would have happened if you hadn't appeared at all; a judgment. You can't make it worse. If the attorney doesn't have his live witness available, oppose the case being continued. Tell the judge you've taken off work to be there and are ready to go forward. If the judge does continue the case to a new trial date, show up again.

You will need to educate yourself. You won't be able to equip yourself to spar with an attorney, but knowing a little is better than knowing nothing. You will need to read the Rules of Procedure that govern the court and the Rules of Evidence for that jurisdiction. Look them up online. The Rules of Civil Procedure will govern how the trial is conducted. The Rules of Evidence will govern what the Judge is allowed to see and hear.

If you do have a trial and the creditor produces a live witness, attack the witness first and the debt second. The witness can only testify from personal knowledge. Generally, the witness has no personal knowledge about you or your account, but only knows what's in the file he got from the collection department. If he is going to testify without personal knowledge, but from the records and documents of the business, then he has to have a basis to do so. He needs to be the regular keeper of those books and records and be familiar with how they are kept and their contents.

Don't simply accept his answer when the debt collection lawyer asks him if he is the regular keeper of those books and records and is familiar with how they are kept and their contents and he says yes. Ask him how long he has been with the company, in that job, what he does on a daily basis, when he first saw your file, if he knows from personal knowledge if it's a complete file, etc. You must destroy his credibility and ability to testify about the papers he has in front of him. If you can do that, then the debt collection attorney has no case. If the witness is actually a good witness and you can't prevent him from testifying about your file, then you need to know your defenses to the debt.
The best defense is the Statute of Limitations. The Statute of Limitations is the time limit that an aggrieved party has in which to file a lawsuit. It is a drop dead deadline. Find out what your state's is and whether the creditor is beyond that date. If it is, ask the court to dismiss the suit. See Statute of Limitations

LAST STEP. Okay, I promised that this would be a four step process but we also assumed you would win at trial, or, better yet, get the case dismissed. Should you lose at trial there is one Last Step.

The last step, should you lose at trial, is to APPEAL. Appeals can take a long time to work through the system; from months to years. That time is valuable and no collection action such as garnishments can occur during the pendency of the appeal (unless you live a jurisdiction that requires that you post an appeal bond to stop collection during an appeal). At each step in the process, you increase your chances that the debt collection attorney will give in and simply put your file away. But remember, always be polite, never cuss and don't hang up on him. You simply don't want to make your case personal.

swapwap
Oct 8, 2007, 06:34 PM
This is one of the best articles I have found on the net. Hope it gives you help and better understanding. Enjoy

Katie4868
Feb 6, 2008, 09:17 AM
I would like to thank you for posting this information. I believe it was extremely helpful in my case that was just recently dismissed on Monday! Thank you, thank you, thank you. I have two questions for you. How do I remove the negative marks from my credit report when it is a charge off? Also, what is the time limit for this case to be reopened?

Thanks again,

Katie

swapwap
Feb 6, 2008, 05:54 PM
Kate - I'm so excited for you. You've learned it's worth the fight. As for fixing your credit. That's a whole different subject. I unfortunately don't have many answers. I was successful with one of the three, but the other two are just too much. I hired someone to fix it for me and so far I still have them but I am seeing progress.

As for them coming aster you again. Nothing is stopping them from coming after you again, except the statute of limitation which would be a defense but nothing can stop anybody from filing a law suit against you.

Fortunately we live in a country where (at least today) you are innocent until PROVEN guilty. Any they my friend have a hell of a lot to have to prove when you deny all their accusations. The power you have is much greater than you think, it's just scary to go it alone sometimes, but as you found out, it's definitely worth it.:D

TheCleaner
Feb 9, 2008, 01:18 PM
A Word of Caution; I have seen, and you may see, Internet sites exclaiming that collectors must provide an expansive amount of information, and some will lead you to believe that if the collector does not answer an exhaustive list of specific validation requests, then a violation of law is created. THIS IS FALSE, FALSE, FALSE!

"The United States Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals has opined that validation can be nothing more complicated than this: "Verification of a debt involves nothing more than the debt collector confirming in writing that the amount being demanded is what the creditor is claiming is owed; the debt collector is not required to keep detailed files of the alleged debt." See, Chaudhry v. Gallerizzo, 174 F.3d 394 (1999). (So, don't listen to those internet pundits! No, wait! I'm one of those! Okay, you can listen to me. "

This is a complete misunderstandir in the best case , the case of law that you mentioned was another complete different situation. Was a construction loan secured with the property and the defendant was asking for a complet validation in bad faith after he had admitted the debt as valid. I see you got that from wikipedia, wikipedia is not accurate in many cases, that article may be written by a debt collector... who knows.

The true is that after a request for validation made during the 30 days period a debt collector must provide at least the original agreement where you promise to pay plus proof that the debt was charged off by the original creditor plus proof that they have purchase the debt plus an explanation of how they calculate the balance plus they have to prove they they are licensed to collect in your state. If they do not comply with any of this you have the right to have the item removed from your credit file and they can not make any further collection efforts.

Trust me I have this done 5 times in the last year on my own credit, it works like a charm specially in old debts passed the statute of limitations, it is a lot harder to do this with a few months old chage off.

Generally speaking if you don't pay your bills your credit is going to stink at list for only 3 or 4 years if you are smart to fitgh back.

swapwap
Feb 9, 2008, 05:54 PM
The cleaner, how do you do this? "The true is that after a request for validation made during the 30 days period a debt collector must provide at least the original agreement where you promise to pay plus proof that the debt was charged off by the original creditor plus proof that they have purchase the debt plus an explanation of how they calculate the balance plus they have to prove they they are licensed to collect in your state. If they do not comply with any of this you have the right to have the item removed from your credit file and they can not make any further collection efforts.

Trust me I have this done 5 times in the last year on my own credit, it works like a charm specially in old debts passed the statute of limitations, it is a lot harder to do this with a few months old chage off."

How do you or I know what the original creditor sent to the Credit Agency? All these agencies do it put on your statement validated and send it back to you with a new date. It's not like the credit agency is required to share with you what was used to allow them to keep such information on your credit..

Please explain your process in more detail.

TheCleaner
Feb 10, 2008, 04:40 AM
First of all I'd like to ask something that I don't understand in the previus posts... How in the world a credit card company or a debt colector can sue anybody in court over an unsecured loan such a credit card balance? Tohse lines of credit are call unsecured for a reason, there is no garanties only your personal word that you will do your best to pay up and your credit history, the creditor take the risk and in exchange charges a hig interest rates plus fees. As I understand it only if you conmit fraud or provide false information in order to get the credit the grantor of those unsecure loans will have grounds for a lawsuit.

I know that some times they try to get people into that arbitration scam, NCO tried that with me 4 years ago but it is not a law suit and the only thing you have to do is refuse to go with that, if you let them get an arbitration award against you then they can sue and put a lien on your house or garnish your income... whatever

How I did it? It takes time, money and some good luck

I'll give you as example the more easy item

Easy was an old card with NBMA open back in 1996 and charged off in 2002 with a balance of $9,800. As you probably know NBMA was absorbed by Bank of america a few years ago, rigth after my charge off.
When NBMA charged off my account they sold it to NCO for collection, they tried the arbitration thing in the first 6 months and after the fight they probably decided to put my file away and try their luck with somebody else, easier. For years the only thing I did hear from them was settlement ofers on the mail.
In 2007 after checking my credit report I saw that the only listing of that account was NCO, NBMA wasn't reporting anything so I decided that was time for a little spring cleaning.

First I file a dispute with the three credit reportin agencies, saying that the account was not mine, never heard of it.

They checked with NCO and the dispute came back as "verified"

I wrote a letter to NCO asking them how can the verify something that is not mine, even thoug the 30 days validation period was long over I asked them in a very polite way to please provide anything to prove me that I really own the monies. They send back a computer print out showing interest and fees carged in the account on the last 2 years but no proof whatsoever that was my debt.

With that I wrote a letter to Bank of America asking for any information about that account that NCO have in my credit report but it is not mine. They had NONE, never heard of it. Probably during the takeover they disposed of old charge off records, that's why they wasn't reporting anything in the credit bureaus.

With that I wrote a letter to NCO this time not so polite, Copy of bank of america's letter and asking them to prove that the account was mine or cease an desist any collection efforts, they answer back with a load of bull but no proof, I wrote again asking for the same thing and treating to sue if they keep messing with my credit report without proving that I own them money... They didn't answerd this time so I wrote to the credit bureaus enclosing all the evidence for removal, they did and NCO gave in. They new that my next step was to file suit in a small claims court and of course they didn't have their records in order.

Carl.-