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MoonlitWaves
Sep 24, 2007, 01:10 AM
On different boards I have come across many people who either don't believe in God as a whole, or people who believe in God but don't believe the Bible is the Word of God.
People who have no respect for things and people who are respectable.
People who call Christians ignorant for having faith in God and/or the Bible when they themselves are ingnorant to faith in God and/or the Bible because they have none.
People who knock Christian's references when theirs is no more valid and received the same way ours is.
People who focus a lot of time and energy searching for proof to back up their unbelief instead of focusing on what they do believe in.
People who spend a lot of time and energy studying, talking about, questioning and criticizing something they don't even believe in period.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with gaining knowledge about anything and everything. Including things you disagree with or do not believe in. But there is a difference in sating curiousity and learning for malicious reasons.
I don't believe in reincarnation. I know the simplest basics about reincarnation and that's the length of my desire for knowledge in reincarnation. I don't care to know the in depth details. My time is better spent learning more about the things I do believe in. I have zero desire for learning with intent to prove why I believe reincarnation is unbelievable.
I know what some of you are thinking and I will say it before you can write it... Everyone isn't like me. I know this, just as I know why I don't have any desire to learn in depths to other beliefs, but this leads me to my question, which is really just a thought that can be answered.
I wonder if these people ever wonder why it is they care so much?
firmbeliever
Sep 24, 2007, 03:07 AM
As a non-believer in the Christian teachings of trinity and Jesus (alaihi salaam)being God.I ask questions from Christians on a need to know basis.
It does not change my beliefs, nor does it lessen my faith, it just increases my belief in my religious teachings.
I also ask about atheism because I do not really know much about it.Now I know a lot more than I knew before, but it increases my faith in my beliefs not lessen it.
Understanding someone's beliefs does not mean that I will accept those beliefs and start living my life according to them.
You are right in that we should learn and study our own beliefs more and try practising it to the best of our abilities,but that does not mean we cannot continue gaining knowledge about different things regarding life and people.
I do agree with you that some who do not believe in God, tend to ask questions just for the sake of asking, for others it might be that they need confirmation that their beliefs are right.Or some of them maybe looking for something they may feel is lacking in their lives.
As for me personally, I like it when people ask questions,because then I would get to at least help them know what my faith is all about,it does not matter if they choose not to believe.That is their choice, in the end I believe they alone are answerable to the Creator for their choices made in this world.
MoonlitWaves
Sep 24, 2007, 05:37 AM
I agree with you. Asking questions does not lessen faith and increases belief. My point was in the way it is done. I have noticed that some people do it with intentions of making the askee look like a fool for believing in whatever it may be, or they are crude, and disrespectful. I, Like you, enjoy answering questions because most of the time they are about something I don't already know.. hard things I have never seen or noticed and through studying I learn more about it. I love to learn new things of the religious category no matter which religion it is. But I will dwell only on mine. I am not complaining, it's just a thought. For them to spend their time searching for ways to down people for their beliefs, to ridicule, with intentions to sway or make the believer look stupid for believing in what they believe in, etc. Their words do not affect me, as I don't let it, and hope no one would. But I do wonder if they ever think about why it is they care so much as to do that. And it's not necessarily just Christianity. It's all religions and denominational beliefs that get this. I spoke of Christianity simply because my beliefs are of the Christian religion.
firmbeliever
Sep 24, 2007, 05:43 AM
I agree with you. Asking questions does not lessen faith and increases belief. My point was in the way it is done. I have noticed that some people do it with intentions of making the askee look like a fool for believing in whatever it may be, or they are crude, and disrespectful. I, Like you, enjoy answering questions because most of the time they are about something I don't already know..hard things I have never seen or noticed and through studying I learn more about it. I love to learn new things of the religious category no matter which religion it is. But I will dwell only on mine. I am not complaining, it's just a thought. For them to spend their time searching for ways to down people for their beliefs, to ridicule, with intentions to sway or make the believer look stupid for believing in what they believe in, etc. Their words do not affect me, as I don't let it, and hope no one would. But I do wonder if they ever think about why it is they care so much as to do that. And it's not necessarily just Christianity. It's all religions and denominational beliefs that get this. I spoke of Christianity simply because my beliefs are of the Christian religion.
Some of those who ask accusatory question from us believers is because they cannot/do not believe in faith and they cannot understand why a person would rely on an invisible God and follow His guidelines.
They find it hard to accept that there is a life after death,that this life is not all we have.They rely on science to give explanations for everything , when science itself is a study and there is only so much that can be dissected and studied.
Many who do not believe in God think that those who believe are fools for having faith, hence the contempt when asking questions.They feel superior for having discarded what they think are old wives tales and accepted only facts.
I sometimes feel sorry for them because they have such prejudice against the Almighty that they have their hearts closed to so much, that signs from the Almighty are lost on them.
Wangdoodle
Sep 24, 2007, 06:50 PM
Thanks for bringing up a thought that has come to my mind as well. Yes, their agenda is easy to spot. There is a deference between honestly seeking to understand why a person believes this or that, and just wishing to ridicule believers. I have a great deal of respect for those who respectfully ask honest questions, so to understand what it is that believers believe. Those conversations can be pleasing. The disparaging comments can be tiresome.
savedsinner7
Oct 22, 2007, 03:46 PM
On different boards I have come across many people who either don't believe in God as a whole, or people who believe in God but don't believe the Bible is the Word of God.
People who have no respect for things and people who are respectable.
People who call Christians ignorant for having faith in God and/or the Bible when they themselves are ingnorant to faith in God and/or the Bible because they have none.
People who knock Christian's references when theirs is no more valid and received the same way ours is.
People who focus a lot of time and energy searching for proof to back up their unbelief instead of focusing on what they do believe in.
People who spend a lot of time and energy studying, talking about, questioning and criticizing something they don't even believe in period.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with gaining knowledge about anything and everything. Including things you disagree with or do not believe in. But there is a difference in sating curiousity and learning for malicious reasons.
I don't believe in reincarnation. I know the simplest basics about reincarnation and that's the length of my desire for knowledge in reincarnation. I don't care to know the in depth details. My time is better spent learning more about the things I do believe in. I have zero desire for learning with intent to prove why I believe reincarnation is unbelievable.
I know what some of you are thinking and I will say it before you can write it... Everyone isn't like me. I know this, just as I know why I don't have any desire to learn in depths to other beliefs, but this leads me to my question, which is really just a thought that can be answered.
I wonder if these people ever wonder why it is they care so much?
What an awesome post! This happens in life as well as on the board.
Onan
Oct 22, 2007, 05:09 PM
Some of those who ask accusatory question from us believers is because they cannot/do not believe in faith and they cannot understand why a person would rely on an invisible God and follow His guidelines.
The problem with this is not many follow all the guidelines. There are over 600 rules and laws in the OT that most seem crazy to even religious people. Certain rules are followed and most are ignored.
They find it hard to accept that there is a life after death,that this life is not all we have.
Now I know people will have different thoughts on this but I choose to believe this is it, and that's what drives me to make this life the best I can.
Many who do not believe in God think that those who believe are fools for having faith
I would never think someone was a fool for having faith in their religion. However I think it's very foolish to follow without reading and learning for yourself. Blindly excepting something because it sounds good or because the church you go to has padded seats is not good enough.
They feel superior for having discarded what they think are old wives tales and accepted only facts.
If I ever come off sounding like that I apologise.
I sometimes feel sorry for them because they have such prejudice against the Almighty that they have their hearts closed to so much, that signs from the Almighty are lost on them.
I think the beauty of religion is the truth behind it all. There is nothing more interesting than reading the history of all religions. The problem with this for religious people is it will expose some things they won't like.
I really don't care what people believe, I just like debating religion.
fallen2grace
Oct 22, 2007, 05:30 PM
I don't see why people who don't believe in God, spend all their life proving He doesn't exist.
savedsinner7
Oct 22, 2007, 08:15 PM
to prove the Bible right.
I dont see why people who dont belive in God, spend all their life proving He dosnt exist.
fallen2grace
Oct 22, 2007, 09:25 PM
to prove the Bible right.
But, They know that people who do, won't change their minds. Just like they won't change their minds. It just doesn't make sense.:confused:
savedsinner7
Oct 23, 2007, 06:45 AM
"to use your signature Psalm 14:1 The fool has said in his heart, there is no God. The Bible talks about those who see Him and reject Him. The Bible says they follow after their father the father of lies. Pharisees saw the miracles of Jesus, yet condemned Him. A man's heart is full of evil and unless it is broken and changed by the LORD Jesus Christ, it will reject Him.
Jeremiah 17:9
“ The heart is deceitful above all things,And desperately wicked; Who can know it?
Romans 7:5
For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.
Romans 7:17-19 (New King James Version)
New King James Version (NKJV)
Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.
17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice
Romans 8:1
[ Free from Indwelling Sin ] There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
But, They know that people who do, wont change their minds. Just like they wont change their minds. It just dosnt make sense.:confused:
NeedKarma
Oct 23, 2007, 06:57 AM
I dont see why people who dont belive in God, spend all their life proving He dosnt exist.I don't know anyone who does that, do you?
fallen2grace
Oct 23, 2007, 07:04 PM
"to use your signature Psalm 14:1 The fool has said in his heart, there is no God. The Bible talks about those who see Him and reject Him. The Bible says they follow after their father the father of lies. Pharisees saw the miracles of Jesus, yet condemned Him. A man's heart is full of evil and unless it is broken and changed by the LORD Jesus Christ, it will reject Him.
Jeremiah 17:9
“ The heart is deceitful above all things,And desperately wicked; Who can know it?
Romans 7:5
For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.
Romans 7:17-19 (New King James Version)
New King James Version (NKJV)
Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.
17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice
Romans 8:1
[ Free from Indwelling Sin ] There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
Thank you!
I don't know anyone who does that, do you?
Many People.