Why do christians believe jesus rose from the dead ? Just because the bible says so ? Anyone think they can prove the resurrection of jesus, & do so without resorting to the bible ?

No they can't because religion has no proof only faith.

Why do christians believe jesus rose from the dead ? Just because the bible says so ? Anyone think they can prove the resurrection of jesus, & do so without resorting to the bible ?

How can you prove a fact recorded in the Bible without resorting to the Bible?
By other historical documents, unfortunately records of that era are few and the Bible has proven the most reliable. Why, because war and the centuries have reduced them to dust. Jesus is both a historical figure and an object of faith. So we have to rely on testimony, We believe what we are told about him because his life is remarkable and the Bible writers tell us that there were people who were alive at the time the books were written who were witnesses and could both collaborate or refute what is written. No one refuted the accounts so they must be true. The Bible records that many saw Jesus after the resurrection. The testimony of so many witnesses makes it reliable.

Even more so is the testimony of the Romans, after the resurrection the Romans instituted the most stringent measures against anyone interferring with a grave and the Bible account tells us that they had posted a guard on the tomb yet Jesus had arose. Where were the guards, they had run off, derelict in their duty, an offense punishable by death with the improbale story that the disciples stole the body. Stole the body under Roman guard without a fight, highly improbable. The body of Jesus has never been found, what a way to treat a spiritual leader? not to venerate his grave? Why ?because there is no need.

How can you prove a fact recorded in the Bible without resorting to the Bible?
By other historical documents, unfortunately records of that era are few and the Bible has proven the most reliable. Why, because war and the centuries have reduced them to dust. Jesus is both a historical figure and an object of faith. So we have to rely on testimony, We believe what we are told about him because his life is remarkable and the Bible writers tell us that there were people who were alive at the time the books were written who were witnesses and could both collaborate or refute what is written. No one refuted the accounts so they must be true. The Bible records that many saw Jesus after the ressurection. The testimony of so many witnesses makes it reliable.

Even more so is the testimony of the Romans, after the ressurrection the Romans instituted the most stringent measures against anyone interferring with a grave and the Bible account tells us that they had posted a guard on the tomb yet Jesus had arose. Where were the guards, they had run off, derelict in their duty, an offense punishable by death with the improbale story that the disciples stole the body. Stole the body under Roman guard without a fight, highly improbable. The body of Jesus has never been found, what a way to treat a spiritual leader?, not to venerate his grave? Why ?because there is no need. There is no proof that people of the time actually witnessed the risen jesus, other than the bible's own claim. A writer could have said there were witnesses, when, in fact, there were none. All you have is the bible's word for it, you have no other proof.

There is no proof that people of the time actually witnessed the risen jesus, other than the bible's own claim. A writer could have said there were witnesses, when, in fact, there were none. All you have is the bible's word for it, you have no other proof.


The Bible is our proof. Because the Bible is the truth. That is what we believe.

The Bible is our proof. Because the Bible is the truth. That is what we belive. There is no proof that the bible is truth. That is merely one belief among millions.

Just curious, what do you think was the motive for the Apostles to make up the resurrection?

If you don't wish to believe the writings of various people recorded in many writings, ( not all put into the bible) but all written by Christian writers. So it is all faith, as is most religions

Deist :

You can Google it under resurrection and apologetics to begin with if you are truly searching.


1 Corinthians 2:
13This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.[c] 14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.


It took me 39 years, and even though I was a raised by devout RC parents, went to parochial schools, a RC High School, have a bachelors in science and a doctorate, my own intellect could not fully grasp the Resurrection, until I was broken and gave up on myself, and searched with my heart.



Grace and Peace

Deist :

You can google it under resurrection and apologetics to begin with if you are truly searching.


1 Corinthians 2:
13This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.[c] 14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.


It took me 39 years, and even though I was a raised by devout RC parents, went to parochial schools, a RC High School, have a bachelors in science and a doctorate, my own intellect could not fully grasp the Resurrection, until I was broken and gave up on myself, and searched with my heart.



Grace and Peace I've read various books on the resurrection, including evidence that demands a verdict & more evidence that demands a verdict. All the evidence presented there come from sources who were not contemporary with jesus, so I'm not impressed. All the apologetics in the world would not convince me of the resurrection. What would convince me would be if I were an eyewitness myself.

I've read various books on the resurrection, including evidence that demands a verdict & more evidence that demands a verdict. All the evidence presented there come from sources who were not contemporary with jesus, so I'm not impressed. All the apologetics in the world would not convince me of the resurrection. What would convince me would be if I were an eyewitness myself.

How would you then convince others?

And I doubt if you would really believe them, many Jews of that time frame still did not believe. And no one is forcing you to trying to force you to believe, It is not our place to force your to find salvation, it is your choice alone

I have to agree with Chuck, if you don't believe in the resurrection don't condemn others that do. If one can prove God than there's nothing you can have faith in for how can you have faith in something you already see

How would you then convince others? There is no way to convince others aside from using the bible, but many people don't believe the bible.

There is no way to convince others aside from using the bible, but many people don't believe the bible.


So with your theory that books or even the Bible (the most undisputable, best selling book of all time) need to have witnesses or physical evidence to be true... than in 200-300 years when physical evidence and witness accounts of the Holocaust no longer exist than it is justifiable for people to not believe that occurred either?

The Book of Mark originally ended with the "empty tomb". The story of the Resurrection was added later.

We see in very many places where scriptures are altered, forgeries made, and so forth... The entire Book of Acts is a forgery, made up out of whole cloth as verified by scriptural analysists.

So with your theory that books or even the Bible (the most undisputable, best sellin book of all time) need to have witnesses or physical evidence to be true...than in 200-300 years when physical evidence and witness accounts of the Holocaust no longer exist than it is justifiable for people to not believe that occurred either?

By your argument in 300 years people might follow the order of the Jedi. After all Jedism is by survey the most popular religion in England so with that and the historical films in 300 years we should hold the tales as true. How about king Arthur many people don't know that King Arthur was not true even now. So since most of the people believe that King Arthur was a real person should we indulge them as well. What I'm saying is we need to consider the source and where the source got his information from and when the information was written.

By your argument in 300 years people might follow the order of the Jedi. After all Jedism is by survey the most popular religion in England so with that and the historical films in 300 years we should hold the tales as true. How about king Arthur many people don't know that King Arthur was not true even now. So since most of the people believe that King Arthur was a real person should we indulge them as well. and where the source got his information from and when the information was written.


That is absolutely right "What I'm saying is we need to consider the source " and the source of the Bible is man inspired by God (inspired in that context means "God breathed")

The Book of Mark originally ended with the "empty tomb". The story of the Resurrection was added later.

We see in very many places where scriptures are altered, forgeries made, and so forth.....The entire Book of Acts is a forgery, made up out of whole cloth as verified by scriptural analysists.


What basis do you have to say that all of the Book of Acts is a forgery?

That is absolutely right "What I'm saying is we need to consider the source " and the source of the Bible is man inspired by God (inspired in that context means "God breathed")

What if the bible was inspired by Hades to lure you away from the worship and the truth of Zeus. Do you not think that a god is not capable of fooling man? How do you know what god inspired man to write the bible? There are so many gods that man has lost count. The point is you don't know for sure it takes faith in something impossible and you believe it because it's what your parents believed and what their parents before them believed. If you were born in a muslim house hold you would be muslim and would be talking about how the koran is the truth. This blind faith is why you can't use the bible as a historical text because once you start allowing religious text as historical fact it's a slippery slope.

What if the bible was inspired by Hades to lure you away from the worship and the truth of Zeus. Do you not think that a god is not capable of fooling man? How do you know what god inspired man to write the bible? There are so many gods that man has lost count. The point is you don't know for sure it takes faith in something impossible and you believe it because it's what your parents believed and what their parents before them believed. If you were born in a muslim house hold you would be muslim and would be talking about how the koran is the truth. This blind faith is why you can't use the bible as a historical text because once you start allowing religious text as historical fact its a slippery slope.


I don't agree at all... you are talking about all god's collectively as if they are one... there is only one true God and that God inspired the Bible... the Bible is so much more of an historical text than a world history testbook from college... I believe what I believe because I have personally experienced a loving and true God in my life, not from generation past... I believe what I believe because all the prophesies of the Old Testament were fulfilled in the New Testament... the Bible is a seamless account written by mulitple authors that don't contradict one another and were inspired by God... you ask for proof, read, study, and pray about the Bible and you will receive the proof you need!

Google "bible contradictions" and read all the contradictions in the bible. You say that believe in the bible because you have personally experienced a loving and true god, but could you not say that all the bad things in your life is Zeus punishing you for not believing in him and the rewards are Hades keeping you from the truth that is Zeus?

You say you think for yourself but have you read the Koran? I'd make large wager that you simply follow the dogma that you were taught when you were young and never did any research to why you believe what you do or why so many of us don't.

Couldn't it be that jesus wasn't dead he was just too tired from being nailed to the cross to move and that his body had shut down into a deep sleep and when people went to his grave they found he wasn't dead because he had woken up and was shouting for help, and because everybody thought he was dead the only way they could explain it was to say he had been resurected

couldnt it be that jesus wasnt dead he was just too tired from being nailed to the cross to move and that his body had shut down into a deep sleep and when people went to his grave they found he wasnt dead because he had woken up and was shouting for help, and because everybody thought he was dead the only way they could explain it was to say he had been resurected


Really?? NO!

Why not

Google "bible contradictions" and read all the contradictions in the bible. You say that believe in the bible because you have personally experienced a loving and true god, but could you not say that all the bad things in your life is Zeus punishing you for not believing in him and the rewards are Hades keeping you from the truth that is Zeus?

You say you think for yourself but have you read the Koran? I'd make large wager that you simply follow the dogma that you were taught when you were young and never did any research to why you believe what you do or why so many of us don't.


You make it seem like I am sheep aimlessly wandering and blindly following... I have research, explored, questioned, did it on my own, walk different walks, etc... but the only thing that has saved me is believing in God and Jesus' sacrifice, that is my truth and light.

Zeus or any other god is not punishing me... we live in a fallen world (Genesis) full of sin and bads things are going to happen... all that matters is who you depend on or look to when those times happen..

Are you saying that you follow and believe in Zeus or is that just your example to try and prove a point?

Of course, I don't believe in Zeus almost no one does. Zeus is an example of a once powerful god which millions of people believed in and over time he simply fell out of style. What makes your god different than Zeus? I have no problem with you taking your religion on faith it is when you try to pass it off as fact that we disagree.

There is one quote that I like people of religion to ponder “I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” [Stephen F Roberts].

There is one quote that I like people of religion to ponder “I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” [Stephen F Roberts].[/QUOTE]

Because my God said/commanded "to have no other gods before me" and out of obedience and reverance for Him I follow that command.

The point of the quote is to make you think why you do you believe in your god but not others what proof do you have that your god is a better god then that of any other religion.

couldnt it be that jesus wasnt dead he was just too tired from being nailed to the cross to move and that his body had shut down into a deep sleep and when people went to his grave they found he wasnt dead because he had woken up and was shouting for help, and because everybody thought he was dead the only way they could explain it was to say he had been resurected

If you believe that Jesus was crucified, then there should be no doubt that he died on the cross. A Roman guard thrusted a spear in to His side after he died.

John 19:33-35 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. 35The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe.

If you believe that Jesus was crucified, then there should be no doubt that he died on the cross. A Roman guard thrusted a spear in to His side after he died.

John 19:33-35 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. 35The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe.


I was answering the question, I didn't resort to the bible

What if the bible was inspired by Hades to lure you away from the worship and the truth of Zeus. Do you not think that a god is not capable of fooling man? How do you know what god inspired man to write the bible? There are so many gods that man has lost count. The point is you don't know for sure it takes faith in something impossible and you believe it because it's what your parents believed and what their parents before them believed. If you were born in a muslim house hold you would be muslim and would be talking about how the koran is the truth. This blind faith is why you can't use the bible as a historical text because once you start allowing religious text as historical fact its a slippery slope.

You are right. I don't use the Bible as a historical text. Or to compete with science. Those are beneath it. And it does take faith, and no amount of proof or arguing is going to convince someone to believe. It would be a weak God to rely on humans to win Him converts.

The whole point is LOVE. Nothing science or history can prove.

Now some may view what happened to Jesus as some sort of cosmic child abuse, but He took the consequences for sinners, of which I am the worst [ to paraphrase Paul].





Grace and Peace