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ali2007
Aug 21, 2007, 10:58 AM
I wrote the following letter to a neighbour after she took me to court for racism. It was totally untrue and I didn't win my appeal either. This neighbour made my life a misery for 2 years. I bit my lip for so long.
After receiving a criminal record now, I wrote the letter but also sent it to our other 7 neighbours so they know the truth.

Dear...

It would appear to others that you got a good result in court and that the result is the truth, but personally I don’t believe for a minute that you are proud of your lies and actions. You couldn’t drop it because you didn’t want others to think you had lied. I can sleep at night knowing the truth, can you?

It is you, my former friend, who lies because you are weak. It is you who looks in the mirror and dislikes what she sees. People who lie, live in fear, are unethical and have no values or self respect.

I assure you from this point on that it is you who will pay the price in the long term for your actions, without any input from me.


I have a good life, a supportive family and good friends who believe in me. I have never seen you with any.

I wish you all the best in your future having to face up to yourself.

Is this slander?

Emland
Aug 21, 2007, 11:01 AM
It just seems like a rant that won't make you look any better.

Why throw fuel on a fire, anyway?

excon
Aug 21, 2007, 11:02 AM
Is this slander?Hello ali:

Nope.

excon

ScottGem
Aug 21, 2007, 11:03 AM
You called this person a liar in writing. Unless you can prove it (and since you lost your court case, I doubt if you can), it would be libel (not slander).

I am curious about something. You say you got a criminal record after being taking to court for racism. As far as I'm aware, racisim is actually not illegal. Discrimination due to race is. So what really happened here?

ali2007
Aug 21, 2007, 11:11 AM
That is the truth. I have criminal record for being racist. But it is not a prison offence.
I unfortunately from the beginning admitted to calling her a fat cow after she called me a single whie female with nasty blonde hair. I reported this 9 time and asked for action against her but nothing was done. She has used a sysem to work in her favour. I would assume that the court believed there was a chane I could have said it as I admitted to the calling something else.

ScottGem
Aug 21, 2007, 11:14 AM
Let me get this straight, you have a criminal record for calling someone a fat cow? Sorry but I don't believe it. Especially if she is overweight. There has to be more to this.

And how is that racist? Cows are not a protected class (except maybe in India), neither are obese people.

ali2007
Aug 21, 2007, 11:19 AM
I admitted to caling her a fat cow and not what she suggetsed which was a fat black As I admitted to insulting her of some sort they obviously believed her claim that there was a possibility that I called her what she has said.

Emland
Aug 21, 2007, 11:20 AM
What were you found guilty of exactly?

excon
Aug 21, 2007, 11:21 AM
Hello again, ali:

Even if you admitted to calling her a fat cow, that's not illegal.

excon

ScottGem
Aug 21, 2007, 11:22 AM
Ok, so she said you called her a fat black cow and you claimed you didn't use black. Are you saying a criminal prosecutor actually took this case before a jury? I can't believe a prosecutor would waste the courts time with that. I can see a civil action, but not a criminal one. What state was this?

ali2007
Aug 21, 2007, 11:22 AM
Sorry keyboard playing up. She told the police I called her a fat black . I told them that in fact she was racist towards me for saying I was a single white female with nasty blonde hair, but they did nothing for me.

ali2007
Aug 21, 2007, 11:26 AM
I keep writing the word B@'ch but it doesn't allow the word. It wasn't cow
This was in england in hertforshire who are very hot on Political correctness

Emland
Aug 21, 2007, 11:27 AM
No freedom of speech?

ali2007
Aug 21, 2007, 11:32 AM
They believed her claim over mine.

Is the letter I sent slanderous?

Emland
Aug 21, 2007, 11:33 AM
Just write it and don't mail it.

J_9
Aug 21, 2007, 11:35 AM
It is not slanderous, as slander is the spoken word. It is, however, lible, as lible is the written word.

ScottGem
Aug 21, 2007, 11:37 AM
No, slander is spoken, Libel is written. It would be considered libel. You called her a liar in written. According to a court she didn't lie so you have no proof that she did.

Maybe they do things very differently across the pond, but I really find it hard to believe a prosecutor wasted the court's time on this. It really doesn't matter what exact words you used so you called her a obese female canine (in less polite words). What material harm did she suffer because of it?

ali2007
Aug 21, 2007, 11:38 AM
Emland - I have already posted it through neighbours doors

J-9 - how seroius is 'Lible' ?

ali2007
Aug 21, 2007, 11:41 AM
Scottgem - I agree - it was a waste of court time, the CSP thought they had a case but even when it was proved that she had insulted me in my appeal, the crown court still went with the decision of the magistrates. I feel there is no justice. Police with held stuff that supported my claim and the court seem to side with police unfortunately.

ScottGem
Aug 21, 2007, 11:44 AM
Libel and slander are analogous. They both are against the law as defamation. They differ in the form of the defamation where slander is oral and libel is written. That's why what you say doesn't make sense. Even if you did call her an obese ebony female canine, I can't understand a criminal prosecution for it. I would assume that the obese ebony part could be shown to be true. And referring to someone as a female canine, while obviously not true, is a common enough insult so it wouldn't be considered slander. I would reall like to know what actual law was violated by this. And what prosecutor wasted a court's time on it.

ali2007
Aug 21, 2007, 11:52 AM
I don't understand what you mean!
I have written her and other neighbours a letter which I posted on here, after her winning in court for her racism accusation, which she won.
I wrote it because she is a liar and wanted my neighbours to know. The court stuff is done now but as a result of her lies and her winning, I sent out the letter.

J_9
Aug 21, 2007, 11:57 AM
Yes, she won, and can easily win again. You committed defamation of character by calling her a liar on paper. Don't be surprised if she takes you back to court. Now she has a piece of paper to prove that you are harassing her. It is no longer word of mouth.

ScottGem
Aug 21, 2007, 11:58 AM
You aren't getting it. Ok, according to what you have said, she filed some sort of compaint against you for calling her an obsese ebony female canine. For some odd reason, the local prosecutor took this before a jury and you were convicted and your appeal was denied. Ok so now that's over. But because you were convicted, in the eyes of the law she told the truth and you lied.

Now you call her a liar IN writing. You have defamed her character yet again, only this time you have no defense because its in writing. You also have no defense because you have no proof she lied.

So, she has that letter, she takes it back to the prosecutor and he files new charges against you or she sues you. Either way you committed libel and could be back in court over it.

ali2007
Aug 21, 2007, 12:03 PM
There was no jury, but yes they found me guity first time, I appealed and again lost.

Thank you all for all your advice and have now clearly done an unlawful thing. I am very worried. But I was angry!

ScottGem
Aug 21, 2007, 12:18 PM
I would still like to know EXACTLY what you were found guilty of. Did you get some sort of document stating what you were convicted of?

But yes, you have now, gone from the frying pan into the fire. You are basically at her mercy if she decides to pursue charges against you.

ali2007
Aug 21, 2007, 01:31 PM
I found found guilty of racial abuse.

J_9
Aug 21, 2007, 01:46 PM
And you have now found yourself possibly heading back to court for libel and possibly defamation of character. It could cause you more damage than the racial abuse.

I guess you have learned to never do anything out of anger.

Emland
Aug 21, 2007, 01:48 PM
All I have to say after 3 pages is:

God Bless America where we can call our neighbor a stupid cow and not get hauled before the magistrate.

ScottGem
Aug 21, 2007, 06:33 PM
Apparently you were tried and convicted under the following acts:

Protection from Harassment Act 1997 (c. 40) (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1997/1997040.htm)

Crime and Disorder Act 1998 (c. 37) (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1998/80037--g.htm)

See
Harassment and Racial Abuse; The Law (http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/georgia/160/archive/9655.htm)

For a summary.

But Emland is right this would never happen in the US. Simply calling someone names would never be the prosecuted criminally. One might lose their job (see Imus), but criminal prosecution?? That's insanity.

Fr_Chuck
Aug 21, 2007, 06:51 PM
Yes, I called a few neighbors red neck hicks, but found out I guess down here that is a compliment.