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kindj
Aug 17, 2007, 06:58 AM
Any life lost to violence is one too many, but this always brings to mind the killings, especially in our large cities, which always outnumber the military deaths..

War Casualty Stats

As tragic as the loss of any member of the US Armed Forces is, consider the following statistics:

Annual fatalities of military members while actively serving in the armed forces from 1980 through 2004:


1980... 2,392
1981... 2,380
1982... 2,318
1983... 2,465
1984... 1,999
1985... 2,252
1986... 1,984
1987... 1,983
1988... 1,819
1989... 1,636
1990... 1,508
1991... 1,787
1992... 1,293
1993... 1,213
1994... 1,075
1995... 1,040
1996... 974
1997... 817
1998... 826
1999... 795
2000... 774
2001... 890
2002... 1007
2003... 1,410 ----- 534*
2004... 1,887 ----- 900*
2005... 919*
2006... 920*
* Figures are Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom fatalities only

Does this really mean that the loss from the two current conflicts in the Middle East are LESS than the loss of military personnel during Mr. Clinton's presidency? Were we at war?

Now, are you confused when you look at these figures?
Especially look at 1980, during the reign of President "Nobel Peace Prize, Jimmy Carter" himself, there were 2,392 US military fatalities.

What this clearly indicates is that our media and our liberal politicians pick, and they tend to present only those facts that support their agenda driven reporting.

Another fact our left media and politicians like to slant is that these brave men and women losing their lives are minorities. Wrong again -The latest census shows the following:

European descent (white)... 69.12%
Hispanic... 12.5%
African American... 12.3%
Asian... 3.7%
Native American... 1.0%
Other... 2.6%

Now, the fatalities over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom are:
European descent (white)... 74.31%
Hispanic... 10.74%
African American... 9.67%
Asian... 1.81%
Native American.. . 1.09%
Other... 2.33%

These statistics are published by DOD and may be viewed at:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf

"A man whose political principles have any decided character and who has energy enough to give them effect must always expect to encounter political hostility from those of adverse principles." Thomas Jefferson

Dark_crow
Aug 17, 2007, 07:57 AM
Any life lost to violence is one too many, but this always brings to mind the killings, expecially in our large cities, which always outnumber the military deaths..

War Casualty Stats

As tragic as the loss of any member of the US Armed Forces is, consider the following statistics:

Annual fatalities of military members while actively serving in the armed forces from 1980 through 2004:


1980 .......... 2,392
1981 .......... 2,380
1982 .......... 2,318
1983 .......... 2,465
1984 .......... 1,999
1985 .......... 2,252
1986 .......... 1,984
1987 .......... 1,983
1988 .......... 1,819
1989 .......... 1,636
1990 .......... 1,508
1991 .......... 1,787
1992 .......... 1,293
1993 .......... 1,213
1994 .......... 1,075
1995 .......... 1,040
1996 .......... 974
1997 .......... 817
1998 .......... 826
1999 .......... 795
2000 .......... 774
2001 .......... 890
2002 .......... 1007
2003 .......... 1,410 ----- 534*
2004 .......... 1,887 ----- 900*
2005 .......... 919*
2006 .......... 920*
* Figures are Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom fatalities only

Does this really mean that the loss from the two current conflicts in the Middle East are LESS than the loss of military personnel during Mr. Clinton's presidency? Were we at war?

Now, are you confused when you look at these figures?
Especially look at 1980, during the reign of President "Nobel Peace Prize, Jimmy Carter" himself, there were 2,392 US military fatalities.

What this clearly indicates is that our media and our liberal politicians pick and choose, and they tend to present only those facts that support their agenda driven reporting.

Another fact our left media and politicians like to slant is that these brave men and women losing their lives are minorities. Wrong again -The latest census shows the following:

European descent (white) ..... 69.12%
Hispanic .... 12.5%
African American ..... 12.3%
Asian ..... 3.7%
Native American ..... 1.0%
Other ..... 2.6%

Now, the fatalities over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom are:
European descent (white) ..... 74.31%
Hispanic ..... 10.74%
African American ..... 9.67%
Asian ..... 1.81%
Native American ... .. 1.09%
Other ..... 2.33%

These statistics are published by DOD and may be viewed at:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf

"A man whose political principles have any decided character and who has energy enough to give them effect must always expect to encounter political hostility from those of adverse principles." Thomas Jefferson
The Sinclair Broadcast Group, Inc. (SBG) is a media company and the single largest operator of local television stations in the United States. According to the company's webpage, Sinclair's television group includes 20 FOX, 19 WB, 6 UPN, 8 ABC, 3 CBS, 4 NBC affiliates and 2 independent stations and reaches approximately 24 percent of all U.S. television households

I suppose this has a lot to do with selective news. Concerns about SBG's conservative bias has led to anti-Sinclair campaigns, including a boycott against advertisers and the ongoing "SinclairAction.com" campaign.

Interestingly enough, when I now attempt to access the SinclairAction.com site I get a message…DNS Error - Server cannot be found

tomder55
Aug 17, 2007, 08:03 AM
Stop Sinclair (http://www.stopsinclair.org/)

tomder55
Aug 17, 2007, 08:06 AM
DC ,

Am I to assume then that you do not believe the figures because of the source ? Wouldn't that logic then extend to public broadcasting like NPR ?

ETWolverine
Aug 17, 2007, 08:16 AM
Interesting statistics, Dennis. I had been looking for this type of information for a while. Great post.

Dark_crow
Aug 17, 2007, 08:42 AM
DC ,

am I to assume then that you do not believe the figures because of the source ? Wouldn't that logic then extend to public broadcasting like NPR ?
Oh! There are other influences, of that I don’t doubt; it's that none of them command anywhere near 24% of air time. Monopoly is a serious matter.

If you owned 24% of the stock in any major corporation you would have a voice that could hardly be shut-down.

excon
Aug 17, 2007, 08:45 AM
Hello Dennis:

Death is relative... Or maybe it's how we VIEW death that's relative. It's hard for me to get that these numbers are significant. 500,000 people die in this country every year due to tobacco and alcohol abuse.

Yawn!

Given THAT number, I'm not outraged that we lose a couple thousand soldiers a year in the defense of this country.

excon

speechlesstx
Aug 17, 2007, 09:33 AM
Great post Dennis. If these are the facts I have no idea why the source of those facts should be criticized, or why it's a problem that SBG "reaches" 24% of American households. I wonder how many Time Warner reaches? Anyway, if you want even more perspective on our military's sacrifice, the VA tracks casualties for all of America's conflicts every year. The latest report is here (http://www1.va.gov/opa/fact/amwars.asp).

Dark_crow
Aug 17, 2007, 10:21 AM
DC ,

am I to assume then that you do not believe the figures because of the source ? Wouldn't that logic then extend to public broadcasting like NPR ?
I don't deny the numbers, I have nothing to compare them with. I simply don't know what they are suppose to mean other than they are true.

tomder55
Aug 17, 2007, 10:54 AM
DC

Page 11 of the first pdf breaks down the cause of death..

BABRAM
Aug 17, 2007, 07:43 PM
Any life lost to violence is one too many, but this always brings to mind the killings, expecially in our large cities, which always outnumber the military deaths..

War Casualty Stats

As tragic as the loss of any member of the US Armed Forces is, consider the following statistics:

Annual fatalities of military members while actively serving in the armed forces from 1980 through 2004:


1980 .......... 2,392
1981 .......... 2,380
1982 .......... 2,318
1983 .......... 2,465
1984 .......... 1,999
1985 .......... 2,252
1986 .......... 1,984
1987 .......... 1,983
1988 .......... 1,819
1989 .......... 1,636
1990 .......... 1,508
1991 .......... 1,787
1992 .......... 1,293
1993 .......... 1,213
1994 .......... 1,075
1995 .......... 1,040
1996 .......... 974
1997 .......... 817
1998 .......... 826
1999 .......... 795
2000 .......... 774
2001 .......... 890
2002 .......... 1007
2003 .......... 1,410 ----- 534*
2004 .......... 1,887 ----- 900*
2005 .......... 919*
2006 .......... 920*
* Figures are Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom fatalities only

Does this really mean that the loss from the two current conflicts in the Middle East are LESS than the loss of military personnel during Mr. Clinton's presidency? Were we at war?

Now, are you confused when you look at these figures?
Especially look at 1980, during the reign of President "Nobel Peace Prize, Jimmy Carter" himself, there were 2,392 US military fatalities.

What this clearly indicates is that our media and our liberal politicians pick and choose, and they tend to present only those facts that support their agenda driven reporting.

Another fact our left media and politicians like to slant is that these brave men and women losing their lives are minorities. Wrong again -The latest census shows the following:

European descent (white) ..... 69.12%
Hispanic .... 12.5%
African American ..... 12.3%
Asian ..... 3.7%
Native American ..... 1.0%
Other ..... 2.6%

Now, the fatalities over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom are:
European descent (white) ..... 74.31%
Hispanic ..... 10.74%
African American ..... 9.67%
Asian ..... 1.81%
Native American ... .. 1.09%
Other ..... 2.33%

These statistics are published by DOD and may be viewed at:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf

"A man whose political principles have any decided character and who has energy enough to give them effect must always expect to encounter political hostility from those of adverse principles." Thomas Jefferson


Hi Dennis-


Maybe I'm in the minority on this and I'll wear any "disagrees" with pride, but when I read of the daily casualties in Iraq, I can't muster up any warm and fuzzy feelings by comparing it to other deaths. Memo to G.W. Bush: our fine men and women leaving in body bags is not my idea of an exit strategy. BTW with the reasoning applied above it's no wonder they gave Jimmy Carter the Nobel Peace Prize. According to these stats Carter's replacement, "Ronald Reagan" became Dr. Kevorkian's White House apprentice.



Bobby

BABRAM
Aug 17, 2007, 08:24 PM
Death is relative..... Or maybe it's how we VIEW death that's relative. excon




Yes! BTW I was thinking of you yesterday when the History Channel ran a program on the history of marijuana. It tracked the usage through Europe, thanks to Napoleon, then later to the States via a gift from a Turkish Ambassador. It discussed both medicinal, as well as recreation usage. Eventually it revealed the early vilified outlandish claims that led to litigation that outlawed the personal recreational usage in the US.




Bobby