Just when you were happy with the "consensus."


Clouding The Issue (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=271551822800315)

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Thursday, August 09, 2007 4:20 PM PT

Climate Change: A new study indicates that poor Asians burning dung for energy may be a major cause of global warming. It may explain why glaciers are really melting — and why climate is more complicated than some think.

It used to be a straight-line theory based on easily connected dots. The Earth was warming due to increased levels of carbon dioxide generated by man, his factories, power plants and vehicles. The U.S. and the industrialized world had to drastically reduce its CO2 levels to prevent the poles from melting and the seas from rising.

But a new study in the Aug. 2 issue of the British science journal Nature suggests that the absence of technology, not its reckless use, may be a major factor in raising the Earth's global temperature.

The haze of pollution called the "Asian Brown Cloud," caused by wood and dung burned for fuel, may be doing more harm than the tailpipes of our SUVs.

Researchers led by Veerabhadran Ramanathan, a professor of atmospheric sciences at Scripps Institute of Oceanography in California, launched three unmanned aircraft last March from the Maldives island of Hanimadhoo to fly through the Brown Cloud at various altitudes.

A total of 18 missions were flown to explore the blanket of soot, dust and smoke that at times is two miles thick and covers an area about the size of the U.S.

They found that the cloud of soot and particulate matter boosted the effect of solar heating on the surrounding air by as much as 50%.

"These findings might seem to contradict the general notion of aerosol particulates as cooling agents in the global climate system.. . " concluded the Nature article summing up the study. Dang. Just when we thought the science of global warming was settled.

These findings also may help to explain the rapid melting among the 46,000 glaciers on the Tibetan Plateau and why the Himalayan glaciers have been retreating since at least 1780.

This phenomenon also might help explain why carbon dioxide emissions and global temperatures don't track very well, if at all.

I'm curious as to why they didn't send manned flights through the dung cloud :D

So there you have it, "accepted fact" and "consensus science" takes another hit. It isn't us rich, greedy Americans and our gas guzzling SUV's, it's poor people's poop. Is it looking more and more like poor people and cattle are at the heart of "global warming? Looks like scientists are still stuck on "maybe."

Dang. Just when we thought the science of global warming was settled.

"Dang"? Don't you mean "Dung".

Frankly, this is just one more reason that I think the whole global warming thing is just full of $h!t.

They don't really know the causes or the effects of global warming. Every week we read another story or two about how this or that new thing is the cause of pollution, ozone depletion, the greenhouse effect, and changes in the environment. And every week, those stories contradict the stories we've heard in prior weeks.

The so-called "settled science" of global warming seems to be very unsettled. It must be unsettling to the global warming scientists too.

"Dang"? Don't you mean "Dung".

Frankly, this is just one more reason that I think the whole global warming thing is just full of $h!t.

Literally now, eh?


The so-called "settled science" of global warming seems to be very unsettled. It must be unsettling to the global warming scientists too.

It blows Choux's "renegade opinions of the few politicians and scientists WHO ARE PAID OFF" theory out of the water when it's the consensus guys that keep refuting their own science. I wonder if Newsweek will acknowledge this and the Revised Temp Data (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/08/revised_temp_data_reduces_glob.html) story in their next issue...

Climate crisis is accepted by the majority of reputable scientists and governments no matter how often you propagandize. :)

Climate crisis is accepted by the majority of reputable scientists and governments no matter how often you propagandize. :)

I'm beginning to wonder if those on the far left have a string coming out of their backs. Someone pulls it and voilà, out comes prerecorded outrage, insults, rants and meaningless rhetoric .

Do you even bother to read anything or is it just automatic? This study was led by a professor of atmospheric sciences at Scripps Institute of Oceanography and reported in the British science journal Nature. I didn't realize they were "deniers" in the anti-global warming machine.

Just when you were happy with the "consensus."



I'm curious as to why they didn't send manned flights through the dung cloud :D

So there you have it, "accepted fact" and "consensus science" takes another hit. It isn't us rich, greedy Americans and our gas guzzling SUV's, it's poor people's poop. Is it looking more and more like poor people and cattle are at the heart of "global warming? Looks like scientists are still stuck on "maybe."
“Himalayan glaciers have been retreating since at least 1780” …Wonder who the idiots are who pays for this study…Is this paid for by the taxpayers.

Hell, this likely started with the first fire on earth and I can tell this to them for free.

There have been at least four major ice ages in the Earth's past. Outside these periods, the Earth seems to have been ice-free even in high latitudes.

Are they suggesting that “poor Asians burning dung for energy' caused four major Ice ages to melt>>>Such BS is common for scientism who wouldn't have work otherwise.
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A little logic, they need.

"Climate Change: A new study indicates that poor Asians burning dung for energy may be a major cause of global warming."


Perhaps the INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY didn't fair so well a couple of days ago when the stock market dropped. Their bad advice does not warrant going after a sector of "poor Asians." If these "poor Asians" managed to burn dung and provide energy for their communities, then they should be considered a positive investment for their ingenuity and recycling usage of natural resources, not scrutinized. This is a case of cesspool science... or science in the cesspool.



Bobby

What I don't understand is the message, I seem to be getting, that humans are responsible for "global warming"; more specifically, from the profligate lifestyles of those in industrialized, modern countries like the US.


To paraphrase Michael Crichton:
In the past 150 years, we have moved from wood to coal, coal to oil, oil to natural gas. Decreasing co2 production, increasing hydrogen... it makes good environmental, political, and geopolitical sense. We'll continue to do so, WITHOUT LEGISLATION,. nothing forced us to get of horses [and use cars.]


If one does believe in "global warming" the answer is in modern technology.
- For example, the first car I bought 20 years ago, had a 5 speed manual, 1.8 L 4 cylinder that got 28 mpg hwy: the car I bought 8 years ago has a supercharged 3.8 L v6 with a 4 speed automatic and gets 28 mpg hwy.
Everyone wins. It makes sense to promote oil or nuclear or alternative sources for energy rather than dung or wood. Those third world citizens will get the electricity they need to raise their standard of living and first world countries benefit from trade.


There is doom and gloom predicted about the climate, but I don't hear these doomsayers
Offer any solutions, meanwhile we have people burning dung for heat and energy.



Grace and Peace

The earth is an ageing planet and whether scientists keep proving it or not it will conitnue to age.
I believe just like the human life span, this whole universes clock is ticking and everything happening(animals goind extinct or global warming) has a reason behind it, whether increase in co2 or the decrease of it is the cause of it!

Just my 2 cents:D

The saddest part is the way scientists have politicized science.

The earth is an ageing planet and whether scientists keep proving it or not it will conitnue to age.
I believe just like the human life span, this whole universes clock is ticking and everything happening(animals goind extinct or global warming) has a reason behind it, whether increase in co2 or the decrease of it is the cause of it!

Just my 2 cents:D

Absolutely, no matter what we humans think, this globe was not created just for us, and will still strive to survive after we are long gone.

Sometimes I think the earth would have been better off without those aminoacids that spawned the creatures I am a part of.

We cannot go back and change time, but who should we trust to tell us how to make things better for the future, and how to accept and adjust as this planet's growing pains progress.

Why can't we 'superior beings' just stop waring, hating, stealing and being greedy, long enough to work together on a solution?

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_9_18.gifWhat do we tell our kids - how can we stop their anger and fear?

Why can't we 'superior beings' just stop waring, hating, stealing and being greedy, long enough to work together on a solution?

Because we're human beings, not gods. We are not above emotions of greed, hatred, superiority, anger, fear, etc. We may be superior in terms of technology, communication and adaptability, but other than that we are the same creatures of G-d that all other animals are, and we are subject to the same natural and biological forces as all other creatures.

Elliot

Perhaps the INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY didn't fair so well a couple of days ago when the stock market dropped. Their bad advice does not warrant going after a sector of "poor Asians." If these "poor Asians" managed to burn dung and provide energy for their communities, then they should be considered a positive investment for their ingenuity and recycling usage of natural resources, not scrutinized. This is a case of cesspool science...or science in the cesspool.

Bobby, that's a bit of an overreaction. As far as I can tell IBD was addressing the politics of climate change, not "going after a sector of "poor Asians." As for the "cesspool science" remark, perhaps you should take that up with those who did the study, professor Ramanathan and the Scripps Institute of Oceanography (http://sio.ucsd.edu/), whose "scientists were the first to warn of the potential for global warming 50 years ago."

The earth is an ageing planet and whether scientists keep proving it or not it will conitnue to age.
I believe just like the human life span, this whole universes clock is ticking and everything happening(animals goind extinct or global warming) has a reason behind it, whether increase in co2 or the decrease of it is the cause of it!

Just my 2 cents:D

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speechlesstx agrees: Sure, and we should be good stewards of this earth. I just don't like hypocrites telling me I'm the problem"

Global warming is a concern for low lying nations and it is an environmental issue,but I just can't believe that making people fear for their lives is the way to go about it.
I agree with you speechless, it is like some people have an axe to grind and they are targeting the average man/woman and blaming them for a global issue which they cannot even decide whose fault it is.

It is not entirely this generations fault either, there have been historical discoveries where the migrating tribes from different nation have lived in one area and when they have cut and used up all the trees they just move on. With them the ground water is also gone as there are no trees to pull up the water to the surface and retain it.Thus such areas become deserts.
If you look at the maps of the world, the deserts have been increasing in size and forests decreasing in size for centuries.And these changes can be blamed on human activities of centuries gone by, our generation seem to have just realised the mistakes of old and are panicking to make it right!

As you said speechless each human in his/her own way must be environment friendly in that we must not unnecessarily cut trees that have grown for centuries and help provide our children a natural environment for them to appreciate the aesthetic beauty of it and learn from it... :)

That being said, the universe will age and the sun will age and the earth will age along with everything else, which in turn will make us experience the changes in the universe whether it be sea level rise,melting glaciers...

You make a great point, again, firmbeliever.

A lot will say..
I didn't cut down any trees... but we used the paper and other products.
I didn't make new pastures that could only be used by cattle... but we wanted more beef.
I didn't want a gas-guzzeling car... but we drive them anyway because the auto industry is in on it with the oil industry, etc...

And yup, to be human is to be a little greedy but you can't eat money, and you can't breath cash..
Each of us can do our part, and we are all willing, but instead of finding a solution, "those in power" continue to finger-point and cause more damage.

As you said, no matter what we do, the earth will continue to go through it's changes with all élan.

We will have to learn to adjust as best as we can, in other words, evlolution of man did not stop in the 19th century.

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