I need tips on how to approach girl you don`t know and start a conversation with her, getting along and make her easy going... I am shy guy and hardly can take the first step... I really hate to get embarresed or something so I wouldn`t risk my chances there unless am sure of hunt.

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I met an awesome shy guy this weekend and he had no game and I LIKED that. He was just talkimg to his friends and he is really funny and smart, so I (who often consider myself shy) kept going over to talk to him. Hopefully I'll see him again, but we were both too shy/inexperienced/not smooth to plan anything or ask for numbers. But I LOVED that he was just himself and he wasn't trying to pick anyone up. I am SOOOOOO sick of that game.

Be real.

I agree with Turtle - it should be that easy with the right woman. But make sure to ask for a phone number.

Then call her a couple days later and ask her to coffee - keep it light.

Turtle - he didn't ask for your number?

Well, er, our mutual friend told me he was shy and if I wanted anything to happen I would have to say something. So I said I know you're leaving on Tuesday (he's going out of the country for a few weeks), but I really like you if you want to get together Sunday or Monday... that was good. He kissed me. But then his friends were leaving and there were people all around and it just didn't happen. But he's really not smooth so I wasn't taking it personally.

My plan is that when I see our mutual friend I'm going to ask for his number and call him next month when he gets back to the US. Just once. See what happens.

I'm really really excited about him. But he is 25 -- he had no idea I was as old as I am, but it didn't particularly phase him. He doesn't seem like all the other 25 year olds, not smooth and transparent.

Is the plan okay? What do you think?

The plan is great. Not too aggressive, which is good.

I just wonder if all his inexperience frustrates you later - and, I have a strong feeling he may have some wuss-boy behavior later . Obviously I have not met him though. Hey, he went for a kiss though - that's great. Sparks?

I'd like to see him step up to the plate though and be aggressive.

Look at you, you and the youngsters.

SPARKS!! Not shallow lust sparks, but wow you are a supersmart funny well-traveled interesting person SPARKS!! I'm pining. It's good he went away because now I can't come on too strong. Happy thoughts... :)
YAY! A good guy I think.

Great for you! He is in for a heluva a good time if he plays his cards right.

HEY HEY HEY
Let`s talk about my problem here not turtle`s
Lol

Be yourself. Compliment her sweater or ask how her weekend is going. Does she follow baseball. Find a way in but be yourself; you don't need a line. Guys who try to be all smooth I always want to take down a peg or two.

Remember - she puts here pant on one leg at a time also. Most woman are more nerveous than you are.

'Hi' is a good start. But making a gal laugh takes YOU A LONG WAY WITH HER!! MAKE HER LAUGH!!

Wildcat,

On the subject of making women laugh. Where do you draw the line with your humour? What subjects are OK to make her laugh about. Busting her chops a bit is OK but obviously don't make comments about appearance/body image because that is destructive right? Not that I do that anyway.

I take it it doesn't matter what you say as long as they are laughing and smiling job done!?

Do you agree?

Am not a joker to make her laugh, I am funny but I won't do it on purpose to get her laughing, plus some girls laughs when they got slapped on their butt, so its not only to make a laugh but to get the conversation going

Snuffy - never make fun other body! Clothes(especially blouse), SHOES! PURSUE! jewelry - she'll be like "he did not say say that!" - the way she talks, something she said, I funny word, the way she carrys herself, HER DRINK! her school etc.

Busting her chops IS SO IMPORTANT - it's says I comfortable with who I am, you don't scare me, we can have fun together, I know you're not perfect either, I WOULD NEVER PUT YOU UP ON A PEDESTAL, I am the prize etc.


DomYbOsS - the key is NOT to be boring. Also known as talking about yourslef.

On the first couple dates she will talk 70% of the time if you let her. LISTENING is a key skill to learn - I mean REALLY listening - and adding to HER conversation.

I highly recommend reading David Deangelo at www.doubleyourdating.com - sure he is trying to make a buck, but he is SINCERE about wha the does - he wants to help guys. He teaches the cocky funny material!!

"I take it it doesnt matter what u say as long as they are laughing and smiling
job done!!????

Do you agree?"

I do agree - leave her FEELING good!!

OK here is question
What if I tried to approach girl but she wasn`t interested?

Wouldn`t I embarres myself this way?

Actually that would kill me if it happened!

Re-phrase the question, how to know and pick which girl to try with?

RULE #1!! : IT DOESN'T MATTER THE OUTCOME!! You don't care!! Laugh about if it embarasses you.

Just be frinedly and funny!! Nothing boring - don't talk about yourself, they don't really care initially.

Pick a woman who is attractive to you. But, I do not recommend an 8,9 or 10 start lower.

HELL - when you at the grocery store, department store, restaurant - flirt a little with the ladies... it's great practice.

It's NOT how you look, your money, car, clothes - IT'S HOW YOU MAKE THEM FEEL!!

Sure woman SAY they want certain things - BUT it doesn't matter!! They prefer tall, handsome, big swinging , clothes, money ----but it's has nothing to do with attraction.

Wildcat makes a great suggestion here. If you consider yourself shy, just start talking to EVERYONE. On the elevator, in line at the post office, whatever. You can work on conversation skills, so that when you see your lady you can have one! Seriously. I was painfully shy until about a year and a half ago until I met some rather gregarious friends and followed their lead. People are really not that scary! Just talk to them. And if your potential ladyfriend doesn't want to talk to you, big deal. You don' t even know her. If it's a conversation rather than an obvious pick up, you have nothing to be embarrassed about. You can do this!

And that's true: It's NOT about your money or your car, and personally smooth is a turnoff for me. It's your presence and how you make me feel. Charisma. Chemistry. Be a great version of yourself.

Great points by Turtle.

I read an article this morning on relationships. The top thing woman find attractive is a man who can make them laugh! If he has George Castanza looks (short, fat, bald) and he makes them laugh - they don't care.

Unless they're REALLY fat. Lol

Great points by Turtle.

I read an article this morning on relationships. The top thing woman find attractive is a man who can make them laugh! If he has George Castanza looks (short, fat, bald) and he makes them laugh - they don't care.

NO WAY!

LOL

Way. (Except for the fat part, you can't help your hair or your height.)

1. Funny
2. intelligent
3. interesting
4. curious
5. paying attention

I think everything else filters off those things. Like you can't be sweet, thoughtful or generous if you haven't been paying attention. You're also probably not going to be too creative if you're not intelligent and curious. So off the top of my head, those are the requirements.

Oh, plus you should like the Red Sox. :p

No Cubs Fan!!

This is what you need to do - make sure to QUALIFY them first:

If you spend a couple of hours having regular,
Normal conversation... being Cocky & Funny,
Enjoying yourself, NOT trying to impress her, and
Generally demonstrating that you could care less
How things turn out, you'll be FAR more likely to
Take things further than if you act as if she
Might be the love of your life and you wind up
Acting so nervous, stilted, and DUMB that she runs
Away.

So here it is again... one thing that most guys
Who are unsuccessful with women do that screws
Things up... one thing to AVOID:

DON'T TREAT A WOMAN YOU'VE JUST MET AS IF SHE'S A
POTENTIAL FUTURE WIFE OR GIRLFRIEND.

Instead, lean back. Be cool. Make jokes about
Her screwing up her chances with you. Tell her
That she's a nice friend. Assume that she has
Qualities that are going to annoy you, then point
Them out (in a Cocky & Funny way, of course).

Don't lose your composure. It can be fatal if
You do.

Great list Turtle - I agree with that 100% - this is wha tmost woman WANT!!

NOT what they prefer!

There are the occasional few who want Money only. You do NOT want this type of woman anyway.

Ok, Wildcat is a pimp, we read that. Turtle, I think you should forget about your shy guy and just start dating Wildcat. Wildcat, you make some really good points. I see that by the way that Turtle, a woman responds to that. I guess it's all a matter of saying what you do. It's impressive things to read, yet more impressive to apply them to real life scenarios.

I do. I don't want anyone else to make all the mistakes I have made in the past. Heartache is avoidable.

But yes - it's MUCH hard for a person to do these things in real life. People usually screw it up a couple times and get hurt.

Turtle is my cyber babe!

That's cool, because I'm taking a break from real guys at the moment! Too much. (And whatshisname's not coming back until the end of October. I'm dying... )

Great - it's a date.

October? Wowwww. Does absence make the heart go fonder?