I'm really scared about this. I posted another part of this video. This is the second part. This material is factual and its scarey because I'm just learning it (and yeah I've learend all the rest about how the arabs are probably evil. No one has to tell me that because I see it everyday and every minute on the news). Although, I think there is more to the stories than the news tell us, especially ever since I became a Political Science student.

I want to know if there is anyone who knows what we should do about this so the killing stop and we all try to get along. I am sure we can do this and that people for peace are not "dreamers". There has to be another way besides bloodshed and greed. Is there anyone that has any ideas?
Video to see: YouTube - Peace, Propaganda & The Promised Land { Part 2 } (http://youtube.com/watch?v=mo2HW4T7wK4&mode=related&search=)

The Arabs are evil and no, the killing shouldn't stop. We really need to kill them all. Sounds really rude I know but that is the hard cold truth of the matter. After all, that's what they have planned for us.

The first thing you must do, my friend, is understand that not ALL arabs are evil. They are in fact the most religiously peaceful of all religious factions. There is no denial of this.

The ones that are militant, vengeful, hateful and violent are all attatched to the same concept: Jealousy.

They are jealous that the Jewish people are the "chosen" people by God Himself. These rogue sects are angry, and have allowed jealousy to conquer them. Their argument: "We slam our faces into the dirt five times a day in your honor, yet you make the Jews your chosen people, Lord?"

Now, with this in mind, UNDERSTAND: To this very minute, Muslims STILL have not killed as many Jews and Christians as Jews and Christians have killed Muslims. This is undeniable fact.

So along with the anger, the breeding of vindictiveness is a side-effect. The Muslims truly are the most peaceful sect of all religious factions on earth. Mohammed took a great city without one drop of blood spilt; and in a fashion of diplomacy that is used today.

Please don't judge Muslims all the same. You will find your understanding with no foundation. It will lead you to the sin of pride.

So to answer your question, the bloodshed will not stop until these rogue Muslim factions are eliminated. They are not afraid to die for their cause, and that is exactly what it will take to stop them. There is no peaceful route that can be taken until that happens.

XenoSapien

The first thing you need to do Bud, is realize that you are brain washed. They are taking over Briton from the inside and France is next. They mean to rule the world by out breeding the infidels. If you want to show compassion for them, that is fine. I place my compassion with the western world Christians that are going to have to face and fight the heathens sooner or later.

Magprob I understand that you think arabs need to die and the killing of them and their children should continue, but then why does does the government tell us that Saudi Arabians is the acception to the rule? I don't understand? The Saudi Arabians are oppressing their people (especially women). I'm confused. Is it that "bad" people should die, or that "Arabs" should die? I think there must be some arabs that are good right? Like there are good Jews and bad Jews (not all Jewish people are the same). I'm very confused and scared. I feel like the world that was being taught to me is starting to unfold as one big lie. Like I find it strange that Israel has one of the strongest militaries but it has to defend itself with a brutal fist against rocks? Against children throwing rocks? I don't know what to think anymore. Most of my friends, family, and basically the news keeps telling me to hate Arabs. But I'm not so sure if I should start thinking "why don't I just hate bad people in general...whether they are Hebrew, Arab, Chinese, or whatever". Can someone please help me out of here? I know this sounds dumb, but I feel like there's a crisis of the mind going on here for me.

The first thing you must do, my friend, is understand that not ALL arabs are evil. They are in fact the most religiously peaceful of all religious factions. There is no denial of this.

The ones that are militant, vengeful, hateful and violent are all attatched to the same concept: Jealousy.

They are jealous that the Jewish people are the "chosen" people by God Himself. These rogue sects are angry, and have allowed jealousy to conquer them. Their argument: "We slam our faces into the dirt five times a day in your honor, yet you make the Jews your chosen people, Lord?"

Now, with this in mind, UNDERSTAND: To this very minute, Muslims STILL have not killed as many Jews and Christians as Jews and Christians have killed Muslims. This is undeniable fact.

So along with the anger, the breeding of vindictiveness is a side-effect. The Muslims truly are the most peaceful sect of all religious factions on earth. Mohammed took a great city without one drop of blood spilt; and in a fashion of diplomacy that is used today.

Please don't judge Muslims all the same. You will find your understanding with no foundation. It will lead you to the sin of pride.

So to answer your question, the bloodshed will not stop until these rogue Muslim factions are eliminated. They are not afraid to die for their cause, and that is exactly what it will take to stop them. There is no peaceful route that can be taken until that happens.

XenoSapien

I'm really scared about this. I posted another part of this video. This is the second part. This material is factual and its scarey because i'm just learning it (and yeah i've learend all the rest about how the arabs are probably evil. No one has to tell me that because i see it everyday and every minute on the news). Although, I think there is more to the stories than the news tell us, especially ever since I became a Political Science student.

I want to know if there is anyone who knows what we should do about this so the killing stop and we all try to get along. I am sure we can do this and that people for peace are not "dreamers". There has to be another way besides bloodshed and greed. Is there anyone that has any ideas?
Video to see: YouTube - Peace, Propaganda & The Promised Land { Part 2 } (http://youtube.com/watch?v=mo2HW4T7wK4&mode=related&search=)


Again...

First, what you are referring to is a one-sided political view of the Israel-Palestine war; to call it a conflict is simply misleading.

Secondly, war is hell and if you want to get a grip on the political realities you must set aside your apparent moral indignation and face the alternatives; just what are the alternatives? What are the alternatives for Israel, and what are the alternatives for the Palestinians.

You tell me… what alternative Israel has? Now tell me the alternatives the Palestinians have?

If you plan on entering politics you damm-well better learn to look at the situation in the light of alternatives.

I'm really scared about this. I posted another part of this video. This is the second part. This material is factual and its scarey because i'm just learning it (and yeah i've learend all the rest about how the arabs are probably evil. No one has to tell me that because i see it everyday and every minute on the news). Although, I think there is more to the stories than the news tell us, especially ever since I became a Political Science student.

I want to know if there is anyone who knows what we should do about this so the killing stop and we all try to get along. I am sure we can do this and that people for peace are not "dreamers". There has to be another way besides bloodshed and greed. Is there anyone that has any ideas?
Video to see: YouTube - Peace, Propaganda & The Promised Land { Part 2 } (http://youtube.com/watch?v=mo2HW4T7wK4&mode=related&search=)

Ok. I watched the video. The following is from Wikipedia.com and italicized the part the video failed to mention. On the humanitarian front it is wise to do as the IDF directs. Playing roll the burning tire, throwing rocks, and hiding those of the terrorist nature type will get your home bulldozed. It's not pretty and not the way Israel would like it, but they often are not given a choice.

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Egyptian control (1948-67)
According to the terms of the 1947 United Nations partition plan, the Gaza area was to become part of a new Palestinian Arab state. However, the Arabs rejected the UN plan. When, following the dissolution of the British mandate of Palestine and 1947-1948 Civil War in Palestine, Israel declared its independence in May 1948, the Egyptian army attacked Israel from the south, triggering the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.[8]

The All-Palestine Government (Arabic: حكومة عموم فلسطين hukumat 'umum Filastin) was established in Gaza by the Arab League on 22 September 1948, towards the end of the war. It was conceived partly as an Arab League move to limit the influence of Transjordan over the Palestinian issue; the government was not recognized by Transjordan or any non-Arab country. It was little more than a façade under Egyptian control, and had negligible influence or funding. It later moved to Cairo.

The Gaza Strip as it is known today was the product of the subsequent 1949 Armistice Agreements between Egypt and Israel, often referred to as the Green Line. Egypt then occupied the Strip from 1949 (except for four months of Israeli occupation during the 1956 Suez Crisis) until 1967. Egypt never annexed the Gaza Strip, but instead treated it as occupied territory and administered it through a military governor.[9] Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip or Egypt were issued All-Palestine passports until 1959, when Gamal Abdul Nasser, President of Egypt, annulled the All-Palestine government by decree.


[edit] Israeli control (1967-2005)
The Strip was captured by Israel along with the Sinai Peninsula in the 1967 Six-Day War, and Israelis eventually constructed a settlement bloc, Gush Katif. In 1993, following the Palestinian-Israeli agreements known as the Oslo Accords, much of the Strip came under limited Palestinian Authority control. In February 2005, the Israeli government voted to implement Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's plan for unilateral disengagement from the Gaza Strip, beginning on August 15, 2005 (the day after Tisha B'av). The plan required the dismantling of all Israeli settlements there, and the removal of all 8,000 Israeli settlers (most of them in the Gush Katif settlement area in the Strip's southwest) and military bases from the Strip, a process that was completed on September 12, 2005, as the Israeli cabinet formally declared an end to military rule in the Gaza Strip after 38 years of control. Israel also withdrew from the "Philadelphi Route" that is adjacent to the Strip's border with Egypt, after Egypt's agreement to secure its side of the border.


[edit] Palestinian Authority control (2005-2007)
The Palestinian Authority took control of the Strip upon the Israelis' September 2005 withdrawal.

There have been no Israeli settlements or military bases in the Gaza Strip since the withdrawal. The Israeli human rights organization B'tselem said in November 2006, however, "the broad scope of Israeli control in the Gaza Strip creates a strong case for the claim that Israel's occupation of the Gaza Strip continue."[1] University of London, School of Oriental and African Studies, law professor Iain Scobbie noted in 2006 that "Israel retains absolute authority over Gaza's airspace and territorial sea. It is manifestly exercising governmental authority in these areas.... it is clear that Israeli withdrawal of land forces did not terminate occupation."[2] And according to some Palestinians, Israel's occupation of the Gaza Strip continued. "They control the water, the sky and the passages. How can you say occupation is over?" said Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat in 2005.[3] Similar viewpoints have been presented by many other Palestinian organizations and leaders.[4][5] [6] The Al Mezan Center for Human Rights also argues that the Gaza Strip remains occupied by Israel.[7] Prior to Israel's unilateral withdrawal, the United States considered the Gaza Strip to be Israel-occupied territory. Following the withdrawal, no official US government statement has been made on the status of the Strip. However, the CIA World Factbook (which is an official U.S. government publication), which was last updated in 2007, continues to list the Gaza Strip as Israeli-occupied territory.


[edit] Hamas control (2007-Present)
In June 2007, the Palestinian Civil War between Hamas (Islamic Resistance Movement) and Fatah (Palestine Liberation Movement) intensified. Hamas routed Fatah, and by 14 June 2007, the Gaza Strip was completely overtaken by Hamas, resulting in a Gaza Strip Government maintaining it is the legitimate government of the Palestinian National Authority. Retaliation by Fatah against Hamas in the West Bank has led to the opposite result there.


[edit] Current Status
As of June 14, 2007, the Gaza Strip was controlled by Hamas. Hamas also controls the Strip's international Rafah Border Crossing into Egypt, meant to be supervised by EU Border Assistance Mission Rafah. The Strip is connected to Israel via the Erez and Karni crossings.

Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia said in late June 2007 that the West Bank-based Cabinet formed by Abbas following Gaza's fall to Hamas was the sole legitimate Palestinian government, and Egypt moved its embassy from Gaza to the West Bank.


Additional info on this link: Mubarak calls Hamas' takeover of the Gaza Strip a 'coup' - Haaretz - Israel News (http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/874106.html)



Bobby

Hey Xsapien. We are studying something in our politics class. That many times on magazines, newspapers or the television news, we are shown pictures of the Palestinian-Israel conflict... and like you are presenting this yourself, the news makes it look like this is about Muslim versus Jews. Anyway, our Professor told us to look closely, and what we found was shocking. The children or grownups with rocks or in many pictures that were described as Muslim terrorists had golden-cross necklaces. They were wearing christian necklaces. This scared me and our professor explained that there are Christian Palestinans and that this fact is hidden in the news because it will make people think. Like it will make people think it's not a religious war, but there is other politics involved... like people might stop and go "wait a minute...maybe it's not about religion (Muslim versus Jews) but something else dirty to be covered up." I don't understand why the news would want to help do that. Anyway, my bain is actually hurting over this. I don't know if I've been in the dark or whether Arabs should be hated. What is the truth? And I don't want people to die.

They believe the Jews have no right to exist as a Nation. They want to exterminate the Jewish Nation and Judism. Look at the Muslim temple sitting where the Christian temple once sat. Don't you see the age old war between good and evil raging on. The Muslims are the followers of the evil one. The one that has tried to destroy the Jews since the beginning of time. Just as Hitler did, a proven Satanist. Beneath it all is the spiritial war from the beginning of time. The reason they throw rocks is because they are too stupid to invent weapons or anything else for that matter. The Jews could have slaughtered them a thousand time over but they only protect themselves from being hit by rocks and bombed by cowderdly suicide bombers. The ones that desire the destruction of the Jews brainwash you into thinking the Arabs are poor innocent people. That is the lie.

No I don't think Arabs are poor innocent people magprob. But I don't think they need to be killed and are all evil (as you do magprob). I feel like I'm starting to change the way I think. Or maybe I don't know what to think? This is what's scarey for me. Also, I realize this video is a one-sided view maybe, but it's just the Other view, which should be heard? I have heard the side you are talking about magprob (over and over and over and over again about everyone should think Arabs are dumb and evil).

But I have never in my life, until this year, seen the "other side". I never even knew there was another side in my life. I'm confused and sort of feeled betrayed? I wanted to at least know both sides. I don't know what to think.

The other side is what the media won't show you. You'll have to dig deep. Media is controlled by folks that want you to believe as they do. But on magprobs' last post, he's right. Militant Muslims believe that Jews don't have a right to that land. They are wrong; Israel is theirs ORDAINED by God.

Dig deep enough, Big10, and you'll find that the Muslims' problem lies within the nation of Jordan.

XenoSapien

Yes Xeno, that's what I'm getting at. You said "Militant Muslims believe..."

So then you are classifying a certain kind of Muslim, almost admitting that they are not all alike right? That there is a class of Muslims that could be "Militant and believe that Jews don't have a right to that land."

I guess there are different classes of various religions. Like some Militant and harmful Jews out there too. This is what my problem is. I never knew this and never thought this way before. I guess from everyone I was hearing that one side was all good and the other side was all bad. But... no... this isn't the case. There is good and then there is bad. But under the title of good and bad, there are muslims and jews falling under each category. Right? I'm naïve I think because I never knew this. I feel like I just woke up a bit?

Yes. Look up the Russian Wahabi (sp?) sect. From what I've learned, they are the most blood-thirsty and vengant. If you aren't in their belief, you need to die.

Yes again, as all religions have this characteristic. But one thing you can always rely on, Big10, is Abraham. Before Abraham, there was no other religions. Muslim, Christian or Jew cannot 'straight-faced deny' it, the potent character of where religion changed was with the introduction of Abraham. This is undeniable fact.

There is no prob, Big10. Go to Abraham and pre-Abraham, because that is when all religion was all one 'whole'. And keep in mind also that where there is light, there is darkness; and the reverse thereof. Dig deep, my friend, and in the end there will be no fear.

XenoSapien

There will never be peace. There is only managing the situation between Islam and Israel - US. Remember, there are one BILLION three Muslims in the world.

Many of the Islamic cultures have not progressed past their seventh century mindset which is tribal and based on retribution. (Western culture is based on the rule of law) The only "knowledge" they have is the myths of their religion which like all fundamentalist religions, is taken literally.

That is why the Jihadists are in a war against modernity(western progress). Western progress and knowledge totally undermines their God, and thusly, their entire culture, for Islam is all they have! Basically, Muslims support the Jihadits though they may say otherwise.

It is all about managing situations.

Regarding the 6 day war

The Six-Day War, The 6-Day War, 1967 - The Peace FAQ (http://www.peacefaq.com/sixdaywar.html)

" May 27: Nasser: "Our basic objection will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight."

May 30: Nasser : "The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel."

May 30: Jordan's King Hussein signs a five-year mutual defence pact with Egypt and the two set up a joint command, making clear its stance in any future conflict.

My 31: Egyptian newspaper Al Akhbar reports: "Under terms of the military agreement signed with Jordan, Jordanian artillery, co-ordinated with the forces of Egypt and Syria, is in a position to cut Israel in two... "

May 31: Iraqi President Rahman Aref announces: "This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear--to wipe Israel off the map."

June 4: Iraq joins Nasser's military alliance against Israel.

June 5: Six Day War begins: Israeli Airforce attacks airfields in Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq. "


A little over 20 years before the 6 day war, Hitler was trying to eliminate Jews and non-Aryans.

Do you think that any of the surrounding arab countries would accept Jews as a sizable minority in their country?

If the Palestinians are Muslim, why don't any of the surrounding arab/ muslim countries accept them , incorporate them?

Have you ever heard of an Israeli blowing themselves up in public among non-Jews?


A year ago Israel vacated the Gaza strips and now look at what has happened between Fatah and Hamas. The Jews are not responsible for that... are they?


There is no "conspiracy."





Grace and Peace

See Choux, what you said... those are parallel to the things Hitler said about the Jews, and people believed that son of a bi*tch (I am not calling you that, I am calling Hitler that). Maybe if people had seen the other side (that Jews were not dirty, evil-doing, money-loving, Godless people), then maybe there would have been less blood-shed? But damn... Hitler had a hold over the media! Am I on to something? I'm trying to look at this from all sides. I've been in the dark I feel. And Chou, I have heard everything you have been talking about (like I said, I have heard it all from my parents, my friends, my whole USA).

Though, I hardly hear the other side. It's important to see things in another light though? The Brits thought of Gandhi as a terrorist at one point too. But... today he's celebrated as liberator! This is all so confusing.

Confusing!

The Jews are highly intelligent people that prosper in any conditions in any location. They had taken control of the German economy and were becoming richer than the common German. They network and lift each other up thereby succeeding. Hitler said good Germans would no longer be shining the shoes of Jews.
America used to be prosperous beyond that of any other contry. Godlessness has retarded that and if allowed to continue we will be taking orders from the next superpower.
As with Rome, the Huns are camped all around America, just waiting to walk in and take her. Just watch England and France.

The children or grownups with rocks or in many pictures that were described as Muslim terrorists had golden-cross necklaces. ? They were wearing christian necklaces. This scared me and our professor explained that there are Christian Palestinans and that this fact is hidden in the news because it will make people think. Like it will make people think it's not a religious war, but there is other politics involved....

I really wonder how much you have delved into the facts here. Much of what you are saying is not hidden or unknown, you just have to look for it.

The problem between Israel and Palestinians is a relgious conflict only in the terms that Israel is a Jewish state. It is not Muslim against Jew, its Arab/Palestinian against Israel. Nor is it all of either.

As for the terrorism, That is carried on mostly by Islamic extremists. Hamas, Hezbollah and other similar factions are Islamic fanatics. Yes there are Christian Palestinians, but they are a distinct minority.

I really wonder how much you have delved into the facts here. Much of what you are saying is not hidden or unknown, you just have to look for it.

The problem between Israel and Palestinians is a relgious conflict only in the terms that Israel is a Jewish state. It is not Muslim against Jew, its Arab/Palestinian against Israel. Nor is it all of either.

As for the terrorism, That is carried on mostly by Islamic extremists. Hamas, Hezbollah and other similar factions are Islamic fanatics. Yes there are Christian Palestinians, but they are a distinct minority.

ScottGem
What do you mean a distinct minority? There are at least the same amount of Christian Palestinians… as there are Jews in America right? Yet I don't think that anyone would ever say "well the Jews in america are the 'distinct' minority" even if they are.

Or actually, I think there are MORE Christian-Palestinians in the MiddleEast... than there are Jews in America... So then I don't understand why you are calling the Christian-Palestinians a "distinct" minority in your discussion? Do you get what I'm saying

I mean, why would you say this, especially when the media has put “the Christian distinct minority you are talking about” in the same group as the Muslim Terrorists!! Those "distinct minority" that you claim, ScottGem, seem to be the same as the Muslim majority children that pick up those rocks against those tanks... So what I am trying to get at Scotjem... is that the language you just chose is very interesting. The media does not want you, me, or America, to think there are Christians there. And when it is found that there are…we suddenly put titles like “well they are the DISTINCT minority”. I don't know why, but the language you choose... like it fascinates me…and it's very political. I'm not saying you are a bad person, or anything like that, but I am saying, it's interesting that we have been taught to "think" a certain way... You get what I'm saying? Am I on to something? Thank you Scott for your message. I'm not trying to attack you as a person in any way. And yes I'm a bit naïve, so maybe everything I'm talking about people already knew? I don't know. I have been in the dark about a lot of things and it's scarey.

The Palestinians believe that that is their land. They have ancestors who were in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. They feel their land was stolen from them; despite the will of God. Like I said, it is God-ordained land.

Yassir Arafat was offered 98% of Israel and turned it down. Why? Because he wanted 100%, and the death of all Jews.

XenoSapien

A "distinct minority" in my estimation is a group that represents a small percentage of the total definitely less than 10%.

However, by the turn of the century and the second intifada, the emigration patterns continued to the extent that Christians now number only an estimated 1.6 percent of the Palestinian population in the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip.

From: Palestine Center - Palestinian Christians: An Historic Community at Risk? (http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/pubs/20020312ib.html)

1.6 percent is a distinct minority in my book. And yes, American Jews represent a similar pct (2%).