Would you like to (know) there is a God? Or, would you like to (believe) there is a god? :confused:

To set up the parameters for your next discussion, it would help to know as to which question you would like answered first. You have just asked three in a row.

Also, just to be fair, it would help to know what you think are the answers first. If you don't have answers, then that is okay also. But, please be honest if the fact is that you don't have the answers within yourself already.

To set up the parameters for your next discussion, it would help to know as to which question you would like answered first. You have just asked three in a row.

Also, just to be fair, it would help to know what you think are the answers first. If you don't have answers, then that is okay also. But, please be honest if the fact is that you don't have the answers within yourself already.


I would like my questions to be answered, in any sequence you choose, kiddie tests include more than (3) questions!. not being rude or anything, but I am totally surprised by your comments, really the (3) questions aren't even hard. What is the problem you don't want to admit (truth) over (lies) or (know) over (believe). I have my opinion/concepts, but only throw it out there, to see a public view. I hope I am not being difficult..

Now could you please answer my questions. If not don't complain.

Thank you. :o

What Clough is trying to asertain is what are YOUR views on these questions.
As you clearly want a discussion on them a point of reference would be good, rather than your normal vehement admonishment of responses you receive from other members.

Would you like to (know) there is a God? or, would you like to (believe) there is a god? :confused:
There is nothing like an absolute truth dear. Truth changes with a situation. Nothing universal about it. What holds true today and one is so passionate about, looks a lost cause tomorrow. Even views on god... unless they are indoctrinated by families.
I would say when you know yourself- in fact the fact that youa re nothing but an image of god itself then you know there is nothing more to know. And you realise that god is as imperfect as we are... perhaps a lot more full of humor. In knowing myself, there is nothing that remains to be known. And that is actually the truth. Because no curiosity remains neither any duality.

What Clough is trying to asertain is what are YOUR views on these questions.
As you clearly want a discussion on them a point of reference would be good, rather than your normal vehement admonishment of responses you receive from other members.

(1) I would rather know the truth, than believe a lie.
(2) I know there is a God.
(3) I would never believe there is a god.

Are you, you should be satisfied, now if you please, let us get on with the debate, let's rip the (3) simple questions wide open, the perimeters are set, now go, give me answers... :o

Nice contradiction there in points 2 and 3 so how would you reconcile that discrepancy?

there is nothing like an absolute truth dear. truth changes with a situation. nothing universal about it. what holds true today and one is so passionate about, looks a lost cause tomorrow. even views on god...unless they are indoctrinated by families.
i would say when you know yourself- in fact the fact that youa re nothing but an image of god itself then you know there is nothing more to know. and you realise that god is as imperfect as we are...perhaps a lot more full of humor. in knowing myself, there is nothing that remains to be known. and that is actually the truth. coz no curiosity remains neither any duality.

Life_is_a_song: There is such a thing as absolute truth, the problem is we, as humans pollute it with lies :rolleyes:


Nice contradiction there in points 2 and 3 so how would you reconcile that discrepancy ??


Curlyben: what may seem as, a contradiction, when looked upon at a glance, but upon close inspection of question (2) and (3) you would see the difference in key words. In question (2) I used the word (know) and in question (3) I used the word (believe). Could you tell me where the contradiction lie between the two questions. When I know for a fact that when you (know} something you do it with certainty, and when you (believe) something you do it with uncertainty.Do you still see a contradiction. :o

Yes, you are still cotradicting yourself, as both Knowledge and Belief are the search for TRUTH.
Knowledge implies proof of truth whereas belief implies the search of truth.

So how can you say that there is proof of God and yet you won't search for God.
Care to comment.

Yes, you are still cotradicting yourself, as both Knowledge and Belief are the search for TRUTH.
Knowledge implies proof of truth whereas belief implies the search of truth.

So how can you say that there is proof of God and yet you wont search for God.
Care to comment.

(1) To (know) is something that is proven, something that exist.

(2) To (believe} is to assume or presume that something exist.

Curlyben are these two examples, are they still contradictory. Don't kidd me now... :o

Yes.
How do you KNOW there is a God then refuse to BELIEVE in it?

Knowledge and belief are NOT mutually exclusive.

Human beings constantly strive to know how the universe and the world works. So in my OPINION, we would want to KNOW if there is a God but we would all have to make a personal choice whether to BELIEVE in him or not.

I am sorry but you are playing with words and just being silly as normal.

There is many things in faith and Christianity that are based on belief and faith. Knowing God personally can be one of them, and by having that faith and belief you get go know him personally.

I am sorrry it is obvious that you don't know my God or you would have much getter respect for Christianity. I would say you know a god but it has nothing to do with the God I love, know, believe in and respect.

Well I agree with you Fr_Chuck (Rev. Dude ;)) But I would have to say, based on believing in "absolute truth" that he doesn't know "a god" because there is no such thing. I doubt that he knows the ONE and ONLY GOD, by his silly questions as you put it. All in all I'd say that freethinka... THINKS he is a deepthinka.. and he ain't. LOL.. I know, I'm the only one that finds my humor funny. ;)

Well i agree with you Fr_Chuck (Rev. Dude ;)) But i would have to say, based on believing in "absolute truth" that he doesn't know "a god" because there is no such thing. I doubt that he knows the ONE and ONLY GOD, by his silly questions as you put it. All in all I'd say that freethinka...THINKS he is a deepthinka..and he ain't. LOL..i know, i'm the only one that finds my humor funny. ;)

Not at all Tessy, I enjoy your humorous comments. : )

Yes.
How do you KNOW there is a God then refuse to BELIEVE in it ??

Knowledge and belief are NOT mutually exclusive.


Why believe in god. When to believe is presumptuous. When we know, that God is all around and through us, we know there is an infinite god. :o

What you are descriping is an absolute belief NOT knowledge.
Knowledge imples acquaintance with facts, truths, or principles, as from study or investigation.
Basically COLD HARD FACTS.
Hmmmm.

Human beings constantly strive to know how the universe and the world works. So in my OPINION, we would want to KNOW if there is a God but we would all have to make a personal choice whether to BELIEVE in him or not.

Otto186 you are right!:D


What you are descriping is an absolute belief NOT knowledge.
Knowledge imples acquaintance with facts, truths, or principles, as from study or investigation.
Basically COLD HARD FACTS.
Hmmmm.

Curlyben; true, true, true.:D


Well i agree with you Fr_Chuck (Rev. Dude ;)) But i would have to say, based on believing in "absolute truth" that he doesn't know "a god" because there is no such thing. I doubt that he knows the ONE and ONLY GOD, by his silly questions as you put it. All in all I'd say that freethinka...THINKS he is a deepthinka..and he ain't. LOL..i know, i'm the only one that finds my humor funny. ;)


Tessy777 are you a true believer. If so you have just sinned, and need to repent along with fr Chuck for believing I don't know God and, and labeling my questions as silly in hopes of not answering questions asked. I am not surprised. I basically get the same treatment/response whenever I debate with christiandom. This entity is very easily offended by questions why? :)

This entity is very easily offended by questions why?

It is almost the same reason why religion is afraid of science. They're afraid of being proven wrong about their beliefs, and yet they don't want us to question their beliefs because we should automatically believe in what they believe in.

**EDIT** If you don't believe in their religion you are labeled an outcast of society, or a devil worshipper.

Now can someone please tell me why religion is so afraid of something different when their entire nature is based on forgiving?

This is my opinion. If I have offended anybody, I do apologize.

I am sorry but you are playing with words and just being silly as normal.

There is many things in faith and Christianity that are based on belief and faith. Knowing God personally can be one of them, and by having that faith and belief you get go know him personally.

I am sorrry it is obvious that you don't know my God or you would have much getter respect for Christianity. I would say you know a god but it has nothing to do with the God I love, know, beleive in and respect.

Fr Chuck in all your holiness. What make you (believe) that you are worshiping the true God. You may own a church and wear a robe. You may stand behind a pulpit, that is guarded dearly. My question in your eyes may seem silly. Why is it, or is it standard practice, for men of your elk never let anyone on the pulpit, to question some of the beliefs that religion dissiminate as truth to any general public.:o

Mr. Freethinker (John) I don't have to guess about anything, I KNOW there is a God and I don't mind telling the world. I am not ashmed of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

O fcourse you KNOW all this as I have told you before.

MaggieB

Freethinka, You have to understand that religion is a matter of opinion/belief/faith, not fact, so each denomination or religion claims to have "the truth". There is no "truth" in matters of religion because religion does not deal in factual knowledge but matters of belief that cannot be proved.

Religion is a comfort to some in a complicated world, and people enjoy believing. It is not truth.

Otto186 you are right!:D



Curlyben; true, true, true.:D




Tessy777 are you a true believer. If so you have just sinned, and need to repent along with fr Chuck for believing I don't know God and, and labeling my questions as silly in hopes of not answering questions asked. I am not surprised. I basically get the same treatment/response whenever I debate with christiandom. This entity is very easily offended by questions why? :)
Freethink,

Repent for what? Doubting you know God? Give me a break! THAT isn't a sin dude. I'm allowed to have an opinion. YOU are the one that said you were VOID of faith... NOT ME! What? I'm not suppose to put two and two together. Please. By the way, I am SOOOO NOT offended by your questions. I just don't find them deep and thought provoking THAT is what I said.

Hi Everybody,

I just wanted to say not one of us know the heart condition of another individual. Wars, and hatred will no longer exist when we stop judging another persons heart or faith or lack of faith.

I personally always prefere the truth over lies. There are those on this earth who even tell lies about God, so to lie on another human being is not difficult for them to do. Even those claiming to represent God, tell lies on God and to those they are suppose to be caring for. To those as part of this world Babylon the Great or the world empire of false religion, it is nothing to tell a lie. We personally do not judge christendom or Babylon the great, false religion, we do not have to. God has already judged them. Take note of what will happen to false religion.

(Revelation 17:16) And the ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire.



(Revelation 17:17) For God put [it] into their hearts to carry out his thought, even to carry out [their] one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.



(Revelation 18:21) And a strong angel lifted a stone like a great millstone and hurled it into the sea, saying: “Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again.

Those though who have faith in God and trust him, would always tell the truth and love to hear the truth. In my honest opinion the truth is better to know then to believe a lie.

Take care,
Hope12

For a true debate/discussion, there are rules... there is etiquette. It requires open-mindedness on both parts.

Freethinka, I appreciate your questions and your attempt to free peoples minds... but if you haven't noticed, the way you present your questions, your comments, and yourself is stifling your attempts.

Accusations will get you nowhere

I agree with you Jizzle, if freethinker present his questions better maybe people will answer him respectfully

To have an enemy, does it mean that there is more than god/good, on board?

I would again like to apologize to the forum members and the management of this site.
I gather my line of question was in poor taste, by posts from members. I did not mean to offend anyone.

Also I feel badly breaking a promise by sending this post

I think the fact that english is not (I assume) your native tongue, that we find it very hard to understand your questions. They are often worded awkwardly and maybe even come across as a little aggressive. I'm not sure if this is your intention or not.

What is the promise you are talking about?

I think the fact that english is not (i assume) your native tongue, that we find it very hard to understand your questions. They are often worded awkwardly and maybe even come across as a little agressive. I'm not sure if this is your intention or not.

What is the promise you are talking about?

I promise never to post on this site again... Reason: (too much personal insults thrown)

I thought the english language was universal. I am only aware now for the first time in my life that I write or spoke awkwardly. Why only now it is brought to my attention, I have said time and time again sorry. I am not an aggressive person. And my intention is not to insult or defame anyone.


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Freethinker my english and spanish is also very rusty, yet almost everyday I have to communicate in these language, life is more than just being able to pronounce everything right, cheer up pal :)

Freethinka, you are seeking the TRUTH and instead of taking in opinions and THINKING about them it seems you are being defensive and just challenging every ones responses or belief system. I truly pray that God would reveal His TRUTH to you in a way that will change your heart not your mind.

(Holy Bible) James 1:19 My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry

God bless

I know & believe that there is a God.

Originally Posted by Capuchin
I think the fact that english is not (I assume) your native tongue, that we find it very hard to understand your questions. They are often worded awkwardly and maybe even come across as a little aggressive. I'm not sure if this is your intention or not.

What is the promise you are talking about?


I promise never to post on this site again... Reason: (too much personal insults thrown)

I thought the english language was universal. I am only aware now for the first time in my life that I write or spoke awkwardly. Why only now it is brought to my attention, I have said time and time again sorry. I am not an aggressive person. And my intention is not to insult or defame anyone.


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Whether how or what you write or say is awkward or not, is a matter of definition based upon the perception of the person reading what you have written or spoken. You have been posting to a site that is viewed and responded to by many different people from around the world whose usual spoken language may not be English. Some misunderstandings and misinterpretations are bound to happen. Misunderstanding and misinterpretations are also bound to happen because there are so many belief systems involved with the people of this site. Therefore, please do not be so hard on yourself concerning whether the way that you write or speak is awkward or not. You have been the "sender." The "receiver" of the information that you have presented may not be quite "tuned" correctly to your "frequency." They may also not be able to understand your "signal" because it is so far distant from their own.

There are some people on this site who think the Christianity section of it is only for Christians to discuss Christianity and anybody else, "crashing" into it is "invading their space", so to speak. I take exception to that since there are also other sections of this site that have to do with discussing a number of other types of religions. This is a board and not a forum. It is open to anyone with any belief, or system of belief that they have. If someone only wants to discuss Christianity with other Christians, then they should go to any of the dozens of other available forums on the Internet. When someone takes exception to what someone has to say on this site, their response should be done with honor and respect without insulting the other person because of what they believe. Whether someone has been insulted, can also be a matter of definition and interpretation depending on the belief systems and understanding of the individuals involved in the dialogue.

The rules for this site have changed over the course of a few years. I am sure that they will be molded and changed further as the learning experience and understanding of the administrators and also those of the frequent users increases for the mutual benefit of all who participate in and on this site.

When people get into a debate on this site, they are taking a risk. When you take a risk, then you need to be able to accept the consequences for your actions. People are going to disagree. Sometimes it's best to agree to disagree. No one can change what is in the heart of another person. That is their choice for them to change. They can be presented with factual evidence and/or the opinions of others based upon their beliefs or frankly, whatever. But, what they believe in their hearts, is not up to any one of us on this site for them to make some sort of change in what they belief. What they believe, might be up to a force or something that is beyond our comprehension or understanding. But, that is up to the reader to decide what is true.

I know that I stick my neck out by what I write. Hopefully, others will understand and appreciate some of it. If not, then that is their choice. I accept the consequences. I also accept the fact that I can choose to respond in a positive or negative way that will further enhance people's experiences of learning and understanding while using this site, or not. I can also choose not to respond at all. I write what I do because of what I understand and believe to be true. What I write, could change, because of new things that I have learned and accepted to be true based upon what I choose to believe as being true. What is truth, is also a matter of definition and interpretation. We all have to live with what we find to be our personal "truth" in life. None of us wants to be the only one that believes what we do. But, in the end, we may need to accept the fact that we are alone in what we believe. We all face death by ourselves. It is our moment in time, just like birth.

I find participation in this site to be quite a learning experience. For instance, I have been told, where I live concerning people with whom I am involved, that I might have some limited insight into intricacies that involve interpersonal relationships. By participating in this site, I think that I can now confirm that observation of others concerning myself. I might answer a question in the Relationships section of this site and do really well with answering according to my heart and understanding, and also have this confirmed by others on this site. But then, have someone else provide an answer that "fills in the gaps" for those things that I have missed. It is really a learning as well as humbling experience for me. What I formally didn't want to accept as "truth" about myself, I find that it is more than likely now a truth.

The same thing might also happen to anyone who tries to ask or answer questions concerning any topic concerning any type of religion.

It's best to come on a site such as this with an open mind and heart. Or, face the consequences of not being so. You open yourself up to a whole world of opinion, some based on only facts that are verifiable and some based on facts as well as what people believe according to their hearts, on this site.

Clough: I am inspired by your post, and you being an ultra member; setting the parameters, and sending clarity as to the purpose of this site. I am much obliged and honoured to know :cool: that this is not a bias site.