If there is no god why is it, and if there is a god who is he?

If you want a definition of God from a secular point of view, consider this:

God is everything that is, ever has been, ever will be; everything that has ever been done or not done, thought of or not thought of, created and uncreated, all galaxies and all that is in it and beyond: The sum of all of this is your Maker. Hence, you are a part of everything just as much as everything is a part of you.

XenoSapien

If God is everything that has been, ever will be; and all the like. Does it mean god is a 50% satan?https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/icons/icon11.gif

From many points of view God is the creator of the heavens & the earth. From other's God is some fictional character who people made thousands of years ago.
My opinion is that God is our heavenly father and that he created everything. God gave life to Adam & gave ribs to Eve so that she would have life as well. God makes the world go round. And for those who say "why would God allow people to become alcoholics?" or something like that then answer me this: Why would you drink so much in the first place? Everything God says is bad for us is bad and everything that He says is good for us is good. But enough of my rambling on about my faith and stuff... hope I kind of gave some insight.:)

God is who you want him to be... creator... fictional... whatever your faith allows you to believe.

To answer Frethinka, no, God is not 50% Satan.

Do you want the christian answer or are you looking for an answer from anyone? Since you posted in the christian forum you are going to get the christian answer unless you state otherwise.

Shyqrnezs to honestly answer your question, it would be the symbol of isis, if you super impose the letters you would know what I mean.

Canada sweetie, you said good and evil, will be separated, one day, really now , are you serious... ha ha ha... you make me laugh... give me a break, For over 2000 years, can you tell me when? Or your answer is unknown.

Michealb You can give freethinka, your christian answer, and from someone else I would be much obliged

Canada sweetie, does jesus really exists?

Canada sweetie, I am still waiting for your answer.

Freethinka,
Canada sweetie is talking about the rapture Rapture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture) It is what many christians believe you posted in the christian forums, you should expect answers like that.

When I speak for myself, yes, Jesus is real. But I'm not trying to shove religion down your throat, just stating what I think and what you might want to know.

Canada sweetie , I am only presuming, you've probably have your proof near by, sorry for being so presumptuous. I hope you accept my apology.

Michealb, do you mean, rapture where jesus will be coming down, out of a cloud?? Is it supernatural, and when is it going to be, do you know?

Michealb You can give freethinka, your christian answer, and from someone else I would be much obliged

I don't have a christian answer, since I'm not a christian. I'm a member of the most hated line of thinking in America I am an atheist. So no evidence, no god. I see the christian god as just one of the many gods that man has come up with to answer questions that he has been unable to answer and may never be able to answer. Though religion is a source of comfort and guidance to many in the world and I don't want that to go away it seems many people need that. So if your brand of religion is providing you with that, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. If your religion is not giving you that maybe you should shop around.

I accept your apology of course and thank you:)

Canada sweetie is darkness bad? Why every day has its night. And as day like night you live in it, why? Christians claim they only live in the light, unless I am wrong. All of us go through the same cycle.

If there is no god why is it

There is a God and if there wasn't, what's the point of living?


and if there is a god who is he?

God is God. He is unique, nothing can be compared to Him and His reality is far beyond what we mere humans can understand, define or express. He is the Creator, He is holy, He is just, He is wisdom, He is power, He is love. He created the world with natural laws and order but He did not create evil or sin - he provided the options necessary to allow for human freedom, and freedom is necessary to be able choose to have a relationship with God. And if a relationship isn't by choice then it's not much of a relationship, is it?

Michealb, do you mean, rapture where jesus will be coming down, out of a cloud??? Is it supernatural, and when is it gonna be, do you know?

The only thing I know about it is in the wiki article, but there are some religious people on the board that should be able to give you more info on it. If you ask nicely.

Freethinka... go read a Bible... you'll see what I mean. Read Revelations and you'll get what I was saying but y'know, if you don't believe me that's fine. But DO NOT mock my beliefs.

Canada sweetie is darkness bad? Why every day has its night. And as day like night you live in it, why? christians claim they only live in the light, unless I am wrong. All of us go through the same cycle.

Any Christian that claims he only lives in the light is more than likely a liar, or at the least deceived. We're told to believe in the light, to abide in the light and to walk in the light - and that light is Jesus, "the light of the world." But we're still human and still sinners - we make mistakes.

I never saw that question... but speechlesstx is right. The light is more so metaphoric then anything. Of course there is that evil works under the cover of darkness which is why we are meant to sleep during the timeof darkness AKA night. That's from a religious point of view anyway.

God is very real, I can't believe that anyone who looks at a sun set or a sun rise, who looks at the ocean from a beach, or flowers in a field, can not see God very easy.

For God there is only "light" which is the good and the pure love.
As mentioned in the bible, it is not day and night, for that is merely movement of the heavens to show the great creation of God's power.

Evil in its pure since is just that.

God is not a part of Satan; Satan is a part of God.

XenoSapien

Fr_Chuck: Help me out with what I think is a song: 'For those who doubt the existence of God, look at the mountains around you'.

XenoSapien

There is a God and if there wasn't, what's the point of living?

Gee, how about improving the world for future generations, enjoying your time here, making a name for yourself, leaving a legacy, raising your children to be good people... There are many ways to enjoy life without the belief of god. I mean, believe in god all you want, but don't go around saying that people who DON'T have no reason to be alive. That's just cruel - and possibly evil.

To OP: It all depends on your religion. Some people see god in everything (see Fr-Chuck's reply) some people credit nature and the earth for those things. Miracles? Some say divine, others say "lucky guy". You either have faith or you don't.

There is a God and if there wasn't, what's the point of living?I don't understand that argument. Myself and most of my friends don't worship a god yet we seem to live our lives wonderfully.

'For those who doubt the existence of God, look at the mountains around you'.nMountains are formed by plate tectonics:
GeoDetectives, Plate Tectonics, mountain building (http://www.nps.gov/archive/brca/Geodetect/Plate%20Tectonics/mountains.htm)

To be quite honest, at least for me, I don't think I could survive without God "out in the world" and I really don't want to. But that is just me.

Allheart I respect that because it is your opinion and it only makes a claim about yourself. YOU don't want to live in a world without god. That's fine. If you start going around indicating people who don't believe in god have no reason to be alive, however, that's a very, very different thing.

Allheart I respect that because it is your opinion and it only makes a claim about yourself. YOU don't want to live in a world without god. That's fine. If you start going around indicating people who don't believe in god have no reason to be alive, however, that's a very, very different thing.


Oh my God (sorry)... no Jill. Not at all. Meaning, I would ever think that about those who don't believe. Heck no. No way and never.

And what I meant was, I just feel if I leave it up to me, I fall so short in life, but when I rely on what I have been taught, and God's love, for me, it makes life so much more enjoyable and easier to endure the harder times in life.

But I do not judge ever nor push my beleifs on anyone else nor would I ever think my way is the right way.

Actually, Allheart, I was referring to speech's post which indicated he thinks there is no reason to live if you don't believe in god! :) I took your post as intended - that YOU feel YOU cannot live without god. I didn't get the impression you were pushing your beliefs or being judgemental.

PS: I'm not offended by the word god (or amen, hallelujah, and so on. Just as you probably aren't offended by the words "chocolate" and "textbook"), so no need to apologize.

Actually, Allheart, I was referring to speech's post which indicated he thinks there is no reason to live if you don't believe in god! :) I took your post as intended - that YOU feel YOU cannot live without god. I didn't get the impression you were pushing your beliefs or being judgemental.

PS: I'm not offended by the word god (or amen, hallelujah, and so on. Just as you probably aren't offended by the words "chocolate" and "textbook"), so no need to apologize.


Chocalate - No... textbook YUP

Just kiddn. :)

I didn't think you got that impression, but I was just typing away and making sure that no one would think that I would push my thoughts on them.

Does believe mean be-lie-ve or be lie 've, or someone lied to you, curious... explain it.

Is there any truth, when you have to believe something, seeing that belief is such a fickle word...

Chocalate - No... textbook YUP

GAH! I knew you were one of those book-burning fundies! :)

Freethinka you need a dictionary:

believe - Definitions from Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/believe)

It is not always reliable to break a word down into smaller parts to find its meaning. After all, in your example, what's a "ve"? Linguistics don't work that way...

jillianleab, I know my breaking the word, believe into 3 mystical pieces, Freethinka double odd nine, was going to offend someone, trust me; it was intentional, I only did it to gather some attention. As to why, if believe is such a cohesive word why is lie, instead of true, is intentionally placed smack dab in the middle of a word that so many people, would give their all and all for. I personally suspect something has got to be wrong for the usage of the word. How many more persons would follow if the word betrueth was used instead of believe. I know your remarks are like betrueth isn't even a word. My suggestion only, it is a more honest word than belie or believe. Or the word believe is proper in its context when applied to mythology. Freethinka do not believe in zorastrainism, voodoo or the like. I hope I've made a valid point, If not say.https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

If believe is the Goddess of all lies. Why is it, there are so many followers, who are entranced or bewitched, into the following of something hoped for that hasn't ever been seen, I guess that's when confidence and prayers come in. could you tell me how this work, If someone give you a lie for the truth, as a believer what would you do with it?

Read the bible, and you will find out who God is

Why nature work so well, without any dogmatic books to govern it? I am not talking about the destruction of man to imbalance a perfect system.

Hi Marily, why is it that Freethinka has to read a bible to know who god is? What was life before the bible? I hope your answer is perfect or pristine, before evil men saw its beauty and lay hold, try to take the fame, for all the wonderous works in the name of god. What do you think?

Marily, who is the devil? One must have a devil, to recognize the devil, one must have a god, to recognize, god, like good, like evil; it is in every one of us. Like, wet need dry, or, you may live, but must die. In life without opposites this planet would not exist. Do you have an opinion? Hope you understand my metaphor.


God is not a part of Satan; Satan is a part of God.

XenoSapien If we look at satan as zero to 49,999 and, god from 50 to 100 this makes a full, almighty God. What do you think?. There is also that fine line that is between 49,000 to 50, that bonds satan and god. Think about that also...

Actually one must have the Holy Ghost to recognize the devil, simple revelation hey ?

If we look at satan as zero to 49,999 and, god from 50 to 100 this makes a full, almighty God. What do you think?... There is also that fine line that is between 49,000 to 50, that bonds satan and god. Think about that also...
God is pure and whole and all. Satan, along with the rest of us, is only a 'part'.

XenoSapien

If you want to start a meaningful discussion, learn to ask better questions. If you want to start an argument, you're on the right track.

Ordinaryguy I could not agree with you more, very well said !

Chocalate - No...textbook YUP

Just kiddn. :)

I didn't think you got that impression, but I was just typing away and making sure that no one would think that I would push my thoughts on them.

Allheart,

I can't help myself... I got to say it. You can't push your thoughts on to someone else... that is impossible. I can only take that comment to mean, you are being milquetoast and you don't stand up for what you believe in. Jesus said to beware when all men speak well of you. In other words, when you stand up for TRUTH... not everyone is going to like it.You may ruffle some feathers and that is OK... Jesus certainly DID.

He also said that He would rather we be HOT or COLD because this in between, lukewarm stuff, is so nasty it makes Him spit us out of His mouth. ( I know, I know you never read that or was taught that so it can't be true... ) yes, he said that see Revelation 3:15.

Allheart you are a sweetie, it comes through in all your posts even when you were rebuking me for my sarcasm. Well, I'm going to challenge you a little bit. IF Jesus is your Savior and IF you Love him and can't imagine living life without him then say so without an a apology to anyone. You can do that and still be sweet all at the same time. (maybe I can't.. but YOU can) ;)

I'll side with Allheart on this one. I believe that she represents Jesus' love of all men much better that you do. If we go by What Would Jesus Do I'm quite certain that he would be replused by the methods of certain people here that call themselves christians and cast stones at other chrsitinas because they don't worship the same way as them.

I don't understand that argument. Myself and most of my friends don't worship a god yet we seem to live our lives wonderfully.

Well NK, lots of non-worshipers/non-believers live a wonderful life. Here's how I see it though, I believe that's still because of God's hand in things. Matthew 5:45 says "He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." Whether you believe in God or not you still experience His blessings, and I believe without God and the influence of believers in the world there would be chaos. And once you do have a relationship with God, understand His purpose for you and His benefits you tend to wonder how you ever got along without Him. :)

But I do get along without Him and I'm happy. I'm not tempted by alcoholism, no one has abused me and I don't feel like abusing anyone, I was a Big Brother for 7 years, I make good decisions without consulting a book, my friends and family get sick and recover without prayers. My history is echoed with tons of my friends and family. What exactly am I missing here?

If there is no god why is it,

But there is God

and if there is a god who is he?
He is Good Orderly Direction, for humans to follow and grow.

But I do get along without Him and I'm happy. I'm not tempted by alcoholism, no one has abused me and I don't feel like abusing anyone, I was a Big Brother for 7 years, I make good decisions without consulting a book, my friends and family get sick and recover without prayers. My history is echoed with tons of my friends and family. What exactly am I missing here?

NK- I don't know for SURE but I think you've been missing ME? I know I've been missing you. ;)

Now when you say that some Christians on here don't show the Love of Jesus... you couldn't mean ME could you..?. because you KNOW I am just teasin you.

I'm going to say something.. I got to take a deep breath because I will more than likely get pounced on..

OF course you like everything ALLHEART has to say and of COURSE you think she represents Jesus love the best... because ALLHEART has the I'm OK your OK mentality. Jesus never Died for me because I was already OK. He died because I wasn't OK and neither are YOU NK... and I'm here to tell you that. AREN'T you glad I'm here!! LOL I already know you are dude... so don't try to deny it. ( of course my reasons for thinking you aren't OK and Jesus' reason are probably different but we won't go into that) lol ;)

Speechless you are exactly right !

Tessy,
To be honest, you're creeping me out.

Dude,

I'm teasin you... it isn't PERSONAL. Grow up... we are on the internet... HOW could I creep you out... now really?? I don't have a CLUE who you ARE and I don't really miss you. I knew I wasn't dealing with Einstein here... but geesh.

I knew i wasn't dealing with Einstein here...but geesh.More passive-aggressive insulting. Pathetic.

More passive-aggressive insulting. Pathetic.

Nope... I just calls them like I sees them... LOL... so long NK.

NK- I don't know for SURE but i think you've been missin ME? I know i've been missing you. ;)

Now when you say that some Christians on here don't show the Love of Jesus...you couldn't mean ME could you.??..cuz you KNOW i am just teasin you.

I'm gonna say something..i got to take a deep breath because i will more than likely get pounced on..

OF course you like everything ALLHEART has to say and of COURSE you think she represents Jesus love the best ....because ALLHEART has the I'm ok your ok mentality. Jesus never Died for me because I was already ok. He died because I wasn't ok and neither are YOU NK... and I'm here to tell you that. AREN'T you glad I'm here!!!!! LOL i already know you are dude...so don't try to deny it. ( of course my reasons for thinking you aren't ok and Jesus' reason are probably different but we won't go into that) lol ;)


Hi Tessy,

To be quite honest, really wish you would forget that I even exsist. I feel a bit uneasy to be very truthful.

I do wish you all the happiness and joy that one can achieve.

Thank you.

jillianleab, I know my breaking the word, believe into 3 mystical pieces, Freethinka double odd nine, was going to offend someone, trust me; it was intentional, I only did it to gather some attention. As to why, if believe is such a cohesive word why is lie, instead of true, is intentionally placed smack dab in the middle of a word that so many people, would give their all and all for. I personally suspect something has got to be wrong for the usage of the word. How many more persons would follow if the word betrueth was used instead of believe. I know your remarks are like betrueth isn't even a word. My suggestion only, it is a more honest word than belie or believe. Or the word believe is proper in its context when applied to mythology. Freethinka do not believe in zorastrainism, voodoo or the like. I hope I've made a valid point, If not say.https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Freethinka you are trying to stir up controversy where there is none. You are making the assumption that "lie" being in the middle of "believe" has some sort of significance. It doesn't. Why can't it be "lie" as in "I need to lie down"? Using that version of "lie" further takes all controversy out of your statement, because it turns into "Be lay ve". Makes no sense. I mean, I get your point; "Haha, it's funny a word has another word inside it which contradicts the meaning of the initial word!" but it's just not that big of a deal. You're also assuming it was placed there intentionally - perhaps by the linguistics god? :) I think you are also taking the word "believe" to only indicate "religious belief", which I say because you said, "people would give their all for". Well, I don't know about you, but I certainly BELIEVE that if I inhale, I'm going to exhale. I'm not giving my all for that belief, I'm just sure it's going to happen. Religious belief and religious faith are very different than generalized belief and generalized faith. You also assume people are turned off religion because it require "belief" which has that pesky word "lie" in it - and well, that just makes you sound like a conspiracy nut. :)

And as an aside... I think perhaps Tessy has a crush on NK... she seems to give him an awful lot of attention! Aw, AMHD made a love connection! :)

Jill,

I was giving NK some attention... no crush though.. just trying to get him to talk to me and discuss things.. but he took it all the wrong way... LOL

Oh well, some people just don't get my dazzling personality... that is OK though.


Hi Tessy,

To be quite honest, really wish you would forget that I even exsist. I feel a bit uneasy to be very truthful.

I do wish you all the happiness and joy that one can achieve.

Thank you.

Okie dokie allheart...

okie dokie allheart....

Tessy,

I hope I didn't hurt your feelings by saying that, I am sure I did not, but in the off chance that I have, I truly am sorry and was not intended.

My faith and beliefs are rock solid and I am never ashamed to admit them. And yes, I pretty much do have love for one and all, cause I love to be loved in return :p . But I am so far from Patty Perfect and I don't hestiate to say things to appear nice, it's more that if my words or actions ever hurt anyone, Tessy hand to heart, it would hurt me more. That's why I more so communicate the way I do. Perhaps that is selfish of me that I don't wish to hurt as a result of hurting others.

I just don't want you to resent me for being the way I am.

Anyway, do hope my comments did not cause you any hurt.

Allheart,

No harm done. I was really just trying to challenge you and If I came off wrong.. I didn't mean to. Take care

Tess

Oh well, some people just don't get my dazzling personality...
We get it all right, but we're blinded by it, not dazzled.

To be quite honest, really wish you would forget that I even exsist. I feel a bit uneasy to be very truthful.

There is an Ignore function that this site provides. If you go to the Options screen there is a Buddy/Ignore link. The post of the person/people you select will not show for you.

I'll side with Allheart on this one. I believe that she represents Jesus' love of all men much better that you do. If we go by What Would Jesus Do I'm quite certain that he would be replused by the methods of certain people here that call themselves christians and cast stones at other chrsitinas because they don't worship the same way as them.

Matthew 28:
The Great Commission
16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age

I know you don't believe in the Bible, but this is what Jesus told us to do.



Grace and Peace


Gee, how about improving the world for future generations, enjoying your time here, making a name for yourself, leaving a legacy, raising your children to be good people... There are many ways to enjoy life without the belief of god. I mean, believe in god all you want, but don't go around saying that people who DON'T have no reason to be alive. That's just cruel - and possibly evil.

To OP: It all depends on your religion. Some people see god in everything (see Fr-Chuck's reply) some people credit nature and the earth for those things. Miracles? Some say divine, others say "lucky guy". You either have faith or you don't.

It is an existential statement:

In other words, no matter what you do in this life: good, bad, or ugly, it does not matter.
We all die. Without a God who places humans above animals, our live, our deeds are no more or less important than that of an ant.

The cruel thing is to tell people that there is no God.

And NOT tell them that
John 3:
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[f] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.




Grace and Peace

I agree with you inthebox.

It is an existential statement:

In other words, no matter what you do in this life: good, bad, or ugly, it does not matter.
We all die. Without a God who places humans above animals, our live, our deeds are no more or less important than that of an ant.

The cruel thing is to tell people that there is no God.

inthebox and Canada_Sweety I understand what you are saying, and I understand the comment can be taken as an existential one. However, it only applies IF you believe in god. Otherwise, it's like me saying to you, "There's no reason for you to be alive because you believe in god." To a person who believes in god, of COURSE there's no other reason for living, but to someone who DOES NOT, it's a very insulting thing. Statements like that come across as pompous (boy that word gets thrown out here a lot), self-righteous and just plain mean. Essentially, I've just been told that since I don't believe in god, I should just die because there is not point to my being here. Surely you can see the cruelty in that? Perhaps Speech didn't mean it that way, but tone is awfully hard to convey over the internet in short sentences.

I'll even go so far as to agree with you that telling people there is no god is cruel; but that's not what I have done, and to my knowledge, I've never done that. I think religion and faith is a very personal thing, and it makes no difference to me if you believe in god or not. I'm not out to turn you into an atheist. There are some who shoot for that goal, and unfortunately, they are the ones who get the most media attention. I don't want to be converted, and I don't want to convert anyone who doesn't want to be converted. I don't think pointing out what I see as flaws in religion (note I said "I") is the same as telling someone god doesn't exist. I also don't think that simply stating "I don't believe in god" is the same as telling you god doesn't exist. I'm saying that in my opinion god doesn't exist, and you can weigh that opinion based upon how you feel about it and how much you value my input into things. If you think I'm wrong, you can consider my opinion worthless.

One does not need to read the Bible to find God. One does not need to quote the Bible in an attempt to prove to someone else that God exists.

That would be like NK quote from the Bible of the Spaghetti God (or whatever that thing is) in order to prove to all these Christians that the Spaghetti God is the on true God. What would be the point?

As it was referenced hee already... God just is.

Is Satan God? Yes. Is evil God? Yes. Is cocaine and meth also God. Yes! Of course. God is all things and all things are created from God. ALL THINGS.

You want the answers? Go find them. Look inside yourself. He's there. You cannot beat someone over the head with the Bible until they realize it. You cannot go to school and learn it. You cannot find it in aforum online.

If you want the answers... just ask. Don't ask me... don't ask him... don't ask her. Ask yourself. You have the answers.

Jilleanleab:

I can see and agree how you would think that was a cruel statement. I certainly don't think those who don't believe in God should just die. All human life is precious.



Grace and Peace

Glad we agree, inthebox, despite our different ideals. :)

From many points of view God is the creator of the heavens & the earth. From other's God is some fictional character who people made thousands of years ago.
My opinion is that God is our heavenly father and that he created everything. God gave life to Adam & gave ribs to Eve so that she would have life as well. God makes the world go round. And for those who say "why would God allow people to become alcoholics?" or something like that then answer me this: Why would you drink so much in the first place? Everything God says is bad for us is bad and everything that He says is good for us is good. But enough of my rambling on about my faith and stuff.... hope I kinda gave some insight.:)

Canada sweetie Freethinka love your closing poem, not bad at all...

Haha.. thanks:).. and I must say that I do admire your will to debate (so to speak) as well as your take on everything.

Canada sweetie, Thanks, for your compliments, I would like to say; you also hold your own, in a debate. Freethinka, also would like to say, the debate was exciting, I spoke of, and thought about it, basically all day, really enjoy. Now on another topic... How could you, call yourself, canada sweetie, not getting personal... but you are having man problems... So sad to hear, hope it clear up, so you could continue your music, poetry, song writing etc, it is strange, I don't even know you, however there is something about you, that would not allow me, not to say, that, the somebody inside you; that I've encountered over the past 24 hours, is above and beyond what any man in his right mind, would look for in a woman. In short why is it you worry about waterfalls... smile

God is what YOU make of it. These religious questions end up going in circles on here, the never ending debate.

.... if there is a god who is he?

Here is a brief description:

First, God has a name which he made known to Abraham and his descendants who later stopped pronouncing it due to becoming superstitious and in that way its original exact pronunciation was lost. His name is represented by four Hebrew consonants and we do our best to fill in the sounds. One attempt at pronouncing HIS name is the example below.

Psalm 83:18
That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. KJV

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Jehovah (Yahweh) (http://av.rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9ibyKJ6sZ1GmzoBqJxrCqMX;_ylu=X3oDMTBvdmM3bGl xBHBndANhdl93ZWJfcmVzdWx0BHNlYwNzcg--/SIG=11u6f148r/EXP=1184826106/**http%3a//www.newadvent.org/cathen/08329a.htm)

The Church of Yahweh (http://www.yhwh.com/index4.htm)

Why We Must Know God's Name - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site (http://www.watchtower.org/library/na/article_07.htm)





The Bible describes Jehovah as the source of all life and creator of all things.

Revelation 4:11
"You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."


As a being having no beginning nor end

Psalm 90:2
Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

Attributes of God 7 (Eternal) (http://www.parentcompany.com/awareness_of_god/aog7.htm)

Has limitless power at his disposal:

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Mark 10:27
And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

His most outstanding personality characteristic is love:
1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Attributes of God 6 (Love) (http://www.parentcompany.com/awareness_of_god/aog6.htm)

As being holy:

Psalm 145:17
The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.

I John 1:5
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.


Attributes of God 8 (Holy) (http://www.parentcompany.com/awareness_of_god/aog8.htm)

I don't even know you, however there is something about you, that would not allow me, not to say, that, the somebody inside you; that I've encountered over the past 24 hours, is above and beyond what any man in his right mind, would look for in a woman.
I don't get what you're saying there...

And W0W Starman.. you sure know a lot about the Bible.. are you a scholar or something?

I don't get what you're saying there........

And W0W Starman.. you sure know a lot about the Bible.. are you a scholar or something?

Hi Canada Sweety, I have dedicated many hours to studying the Bible. Here are two scriptures which encourage us to do so.

Acts 17:11
Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.


2 Timothy 3:16-17 reads, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

All Scripture is Inspired of God and Beneficial (http://av.rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9ibyK88aaFG6icBGi5rCqMX;_ylu=X3oDMTBvdmM3bGl xBHBndANhdl93ZWJfcmVzdWx0BHNlYwNzcg--/SIG=13821f6li/EXP=1185069756/**http%3a//www.allabouttruth.org/all-scripture-is-inspired-of-god-and-beneficial-faq.htm)



BTW
Sorry about the delay in answering your question. I keep trying to log on to this site but haven't been able to. Only now and then am I able to get through.

It's all good.:)

Here is a brief description:

First, God has a name which he made known to Abraham and his descendants who later stopped pronouncing it due to becoming superstitious and in that way its original exact pronunciation was lost. His name is represented by four Hebrew consonants and we do our best to fill in the sounds. One attempt at pronouncing HIS name is the example below.

Psalm 83:18
That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. KJV

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Jehovah (Yahweh) (http://av.rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9ibyKJ6sZ1GmzoBqJxrCqMX;_ylu=X3oDMTBvdmM3bGl xBHBndANhdl93ZWJfcmVzdWx0BHNlYwNzcg--/SIG=11u6f148r/EXP=1184826106/**http%3a//www.newadvent.org/cathen/08329a.htm)

The Church of Yahweh (http://www.yhwh.com/index4.htm)

Why We Must Know God's Name - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site (http://www.watchtower.org/library/na/article_07.htm)





The Bible describes Jehovah as the source of all life and creator of all things.

Revelation 4:11
"You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."


As a being having no beginning nor end

Psalm 90:2
Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

Attributes of God 7 (Eternal) (http://www.parentcompany.com/awareness_of_god/aog7.htm)

Has limitless power at his disposal:

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Mark 10:27
And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

His most outstanding personality characteristic is love:
1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Attributes of God 6 (Love) (http://www.parentcompany.com/awareness_of_god/aog6.htm)

As being holy:

Psalm 145:17
The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.

I John 1:5
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.


Attributes of God 8 (Holy) (http://www.parentcompany.com/awareness_of_god/aog8.htm)

:o Exegesis


Hi Canada Sweety, I have dedicated many hours to studying the Bible. Here are two scriptures which encourage us to do so.

Acts 17:11
Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.


2 Timothy 3:16-17 reads, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

All Scripture is Inspired of God and Beneficial (http://av.rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9ibyK88aaFG6icBGi5rCqMX;_ylu=X3oDMTBvdmM3bGl xBHBndANhdl93ZWJfcmVzdWx0BHNlYwNzcg--/SIG=13821f6li/EXP=1185069756/**http%3a//www.allabouttruth.org/all-scripture-is-inspired-of-god-and-beneficial-faq.htm)



BTW
Sorry about the delay in answering your question. I keep trying to log on to this site but haven't been able to. Only now and then am I able to get through.

:o Exegesis

:o Exegesis



:o Exegesis


I only used those scripures when I was inder the misguided impression that you were sincerely seeking an answer. After all, there is NOTHING in your original question which indicates an aversion to exigesis. However once I became aware of your true intentions and distate for all things biblical, I shifted to the coherent reasoning approach instead. If indeed you are now taking issue with that method as well, then further dialogue is useless.

BTW
Is it indeed logical to ask a biblical question at a Christian question-and-answer site and then demand that Christians not use scriptures? Isn't it far more likely that you are misunderstanding the purpose of this forum?

Additionally, some of us here put forth a good effort to provide a decent answer.
Having people who are given these answers turn around, just as you have just done, mocking and gloating comes across as extremely offensive. Since it is that offensive I have decided to place you on my censor list.

I only used those scripures when I was inder the misguided impression that you were sincerely seeking an answer. After all, there is NOTHING in your original question which indicates an aversion to exigesis. However once I became aware of your true intentions and distate for all things biblical, I shifted to the coherent reasoning approach instead. If indeed you are now taking issue with that method as well, then further dialogue is useless.

BTW
Is it indeed logical to ask a biblical question at a Christian question-and-answer site and then demand that Christians not use scriptures? Isn't it far more likely that you are misunderstanding the purpose of this forum?

Additionally, some of us here put forth a good effort to provide a decent answer.
Having people who are given these answers turn around, just as you have just done, mocking and gloating comes across as extremely offensive. Since it is that offensive I have decided to place you on my censor list.


No Starman do not get me wrong I enjoy the dialoge, however as it relater to the bible, my only quary , is its authenticity. Is it true that a heritic by the name of Martin Luther was imprisoned for his disbelief of what was in the original text, because he was a firm heritic , he was put on a diet of worms by the then king, and made to translate the bible to German. Later printed as the king james version. I would also like to say sorry if I offended you. And I hope you accept my apology.

If You Ever Had A Child Nearing Death And The Only One You Could Turn To
Was God ,I Don't Think This Yould Be An Issue.
Seek And You Shall Find.

If you want a definition of God from a secular point of view, consider this:

God is everything that is, ever has been, ever will be; everything that has ever been done or not done, thought of or not thought of, created and uncreated, all galaxies and all that is in it and beyond: The sum of all of this is your Maker. Hence, you are a part of everything just as much as everything is a part of you.

XenoSapien

Freethinka agree:D

To answer Frethinka, no, God is not 50% Satan.


:confused: Does God And satan live in the same body?

:confused: Does God And satan live in the same body?

WHAT!?

Do you and I live in the same body? No, I don't think so and I sure am glad we don't.

The natural man can't understand Spiritual things, so if you want to know the mysteries of My GOD the Father of heaven and earth, let me ask you something, if you died right now where would you go? Lets set aside the philosophy and the natural answers and look to your heart and ask the question.

the natural man can't understand Spiritual things, so if you want to know the mysteries of My GOD the Father of heaven and earth, let me ask you something, if you died right now where would you go? lets set aside the philosophy and the natural answers and look to your heart and ask the question.

I know you said set aside all of the natural answers, but to someone who is not religious the only answer is my body would shut down, my "soul" will cease to exist, my body would return to the Earth and decay.

No Starman do not get me wrong I enjoy the dialoge, however as it relater to the bible, my only quary , is its authenticity. Is it true that a heritic by the name of Martin Luther was imprisoned for his disbelief of what was in the original text, because he was a firm heritic , he was put on a diet of worms by the then king, and made to translate the bible to German. Later printed as the king james version. I would also like to say sorry if I offended you. and I hope you accept my apology.

Apology accepted

Martin Luther was considered a heretic along with all other Protestants who disagreed with Catholic Church dogma and its practices. But that has absolutely no bearing on the Bible which remains true to itself.

History of the Bible: How The Bible Came To Us (http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/bibleorigin.html)


Martin Luther's translation wasn't the King James which was a translation from the original languages into English. Luther's translation was from the original languages into German. The King James version was translated by a group of scholars appointed by the English king.

History of the King James Version (http://www.bible-researcher.com/kjvhist.html)


Actually, the best testimony to the Bible's authenticity is its prophetic innerancy. That's why I provided links in my otherv posts to where the reader can check out the fulfilled prophecies if he wishes to do so.


BTW

About Luther eating worms and being forced to translate, I find no mention of it in his biography. Martin Luther - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther)

Did you read that on the Internet?

WHAT!!!!!!!!!???????????

Do you and I live in the same body? No, I don't think so and I sure am glad we don't.


No!! Me and no human live in the same body, however there are cases where (2) persons are living in the same body(conjoined) there is enough living proof of this, I wasn't referring to that segment of persons. I don't want anyone to cast me out as stupid or the like Fr chuck, implication of silly. My point remain every man has satan and god inside. If not, here is a good example: evil is needed to recognize good, any man who claim that he is all good (God} without satan is a LIAR. A liar not only to himself, but to those around him. I hope you see, what I am getting at, but I would like to humbly say, that my statement may seem blunt, and I am not directing them at anyone in this forum, but like I said previously sorry for being so strong, it is just that I have a yearning desire for truth, but I am bombarded with insults, and the usual if you die or your child die?? My question is why christians always introduce grim messages of death to nonbelievers or loved family members, what a low blow:o in life any thing can happen to anyone of us, including you:o not threatening anyone, but only showing the difference of, non believers, we do not go around wishing ill or death to people, or their loved ones, because they are not persuaded of the truth (believe) in the life after death story that believers forcfully shove at its victims, in hopes of persuasion. I cry SHAME to the believers who continue to do this psycho-logic warfare to frighten persons to conviction then thydeing is the penalty. :cool: Please don't have me censored, or dumped off this wonderful site. The authentic God be with youall.

[quote]... any man who claim that he is all good (God} without Satan is a LIAR. A liar not only to himself, but to those around him.

If you mean that we all sin and cannot claim to be totally pure then I agree with you and so do the scriptures.

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned. And fall short of the glory of God

Romans 7:14-25

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that [it is] good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin



I hope you see, what I am getting at, but I would like to humbly say, that my statement may seem blunt, and I am not directing them at anyone in this forum, but like I said previously sorry for being so strong, it is just that I have a yearning desire for truth, but I am bombarded with insults, and the usual if you die or your child die?? My question is why Christians always introduce grim messages of death to nonbelievers or loved family members, what a low blow:o in life any thing can happen to anyone of us, including you:o not threatening anyone, but only showing the difference of, non believers, we do not go around wishing ill or death to people, or their loved ones, because they are not persuaded of the truth (believe) in the life after death story that believers forcefully shove at its victims, in hopes of persuasion. I cry SHAME to the believers who continue to do this psychologic warfare to frighten persons to conviction then dying is the penalty. Cool: Please don't have me censored, or dumped off this wonderful site. The authentic God be with youall.

First, your seeking truth is commendable and I am truly sorry that I misunderstood your intentions. Second, about the manner of preaching, I agree with you 100%. Wishing death and evil on others isn't the true Christian way. Quite to the contrary, Christians are supposed to pray for the well-being of unbelievers so that they too might be blessed. Neither is judging another person as damned to eternity since no one on this Earth is qualified to make that evaluation.

BTW

When I was a kid my parents were regularly visited by a certain Charismatic self- righteous woman whose shouted message was the threat of eternal torture if we didn't comply with her demands to attend her church. For some strange reason I never could take her seriously. In fact, neither did my parents. Yet, the threats were intended to intimidate into obedience. But if we read the Bible we don't find Christians being assigned to threaten people with damnation. The main thrust of the message Jesus wants us to convey is that of hope of alleviation from suffering and death that will come about under his kingdom rule.

[QUOTE=Freethinka]



If you mean that we all sin and cannot claim to be totally pure then I agree with you and so do the scriptures.

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned. and fall short of the glory of God

Romans 7:14-25

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that [it is] good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin




First, your seeking truth is commendable and I am truly sorry that I misunderstood your intentions. Second, about the manner of preaching, I agree with you 100%. Wishing death and evil on others isn't the true Christian way. Quite to the contrary, Christians are supposed to pray for the well-being of unbelievers so that they too might be blessed. Neither is judging another person as damned to eternity since no one on this Earth is qualified to make that evaluation.

BTW

When I was a kid my parents were regularly visited by a certain Charismatic self- righteous woman whose shouted message was the threat of eternal torture if we didn't comply with her demands to attend her church. For some strange reason I never could take her seriously. In fact, neither did my parents. Yet, the threats were intended to intimidate into obedience. But if we read the Bible we don't find Christians being assigned to threaten people with damnation. The main thrust of the message Jesus wants us to convey is that of hope of alleviation from suffering and death that will come about under his kingdom rule.

I accept your apology, :) and I am also happy to know you see, where I am coming from, from inception Freethinka wasn't trying to be rude. Only trying to paint pictures with words, to get my point across.

Enjoy your day :)

I believe there is no god because I don't understand how its possible and where he came from. And there's no proof. Then again I do wonder how we are all here or if we really even are here.

Apology accepted

Martin Luther was considered a heretic along with all other Protestants who disagreed with Catholic Church dogma and its practices. But that has absolutely no bearing on the Bible which remains true to itself.

History of the Bible: How The Bible Came To Us (http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/bibleorigin.html)


Starman Martin Luther's translation wasn't the King James which was a translation from the original languages into English. Luther's translation was from the original languages into German. The King James version was translated by a group of scholars appointed by the English king.

History of the King James Version (http://www.bible-researcher.com/kjvhist.html)


Actually, the best testimony to the Bible's authenticity is its prophetic innerancy. That's why I provided links in my otherv posts to where the reader can check out the fulfilled prophecies if he wishes to do so.


BTW

About Luther eating worms and being forced to translate, I find no mention of it in his biography. Martin Luther - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther)

Did you read that on the Internet?


Enter into your search engine "Martin Luther given worms to translate the bible" and look up "English bible translation". I didn't know that Martin Luther was an alcoholic, he drank allot of beer when he translated the bible, also a profanitist, using the word () loosely Martin Luther also said to (love God), but as a heretic he publicly stated he (hated god). How do you feel about Martin Luther :o

The internet is not a valid reference. You can find webpages that claim that the moon is made of cheese and that the most powerful politicians in the world are actually lizardmen disguised as humans.

You need to provide better evidence than "put it in your search engine".

The internet is not a valid reference. You can find webpages that claim that the moon is made of cheese and that the most powerful politicians in the world are actually lizardmen disguised as humans.

You need to provide better evidence than "put it in your search engine".



Capucin, you are not telling Freethinka you are afraid to look, Starman asked if it was on the internet, how could you automatically dismiss Martin Luther as false. It is he who translated the bible from its original text to German. "Text don't bite". :o
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i believe there is no god because i dont understand how its possible and where he came from. and theres no proof. then again i do wonder how we are all here or if we really even are here.

Kkti205 first you would have to recognise who you are, this could only be achieved in solitude once you know who you are, without any dogmatic, spiritual doctrine, to compromise thoughts or being, you would be on the right track. Secondly take a closer look at things around you, in its wonderous glory. It wouldn't be long before you make contact with the real God :)

Enter into your search engine "Martin Luther given worms to translate the bible" and look up "English bible translation." I didn't know that Martin Luther was an alcoholic, he drank allot of beer when he translated the bible, also a profanitist, using the word () loosely Martin Luther also said to (love God), but as a heretic he publicly stated he (hated god). How do you feel about Martin Luther :o


Here is what I found.
The word "Diet" also means assembly. Worms is a city in Europe. So the Diet of Worms means an assembly held by the Catholic Church in the city of Worms in order to address the issues brought forth by Luther's challenge to Catholic authority.

Diet of Worms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_of_Worms)

Luther metaphorically refers to being drunk or engorged with the teachings of the papacy to the extent of being unable to see things clearly.

Excerpt:

The reader should know that I was once a monk, the most rabid of papists, when I took up this whole affair. I was so drunk, so submerged in the pope's doctrines, that I was ready, if I could, to kill or help kill those who would have advocated by so much as a single syllable withdrawing obedience to the pope. That's how much of a Saul I was [i.e. St. Paul, who, before his conversion, was called Saul and who was zealous in his persecution of Christians], as many still are. I wasn't so icy cold in defending the papacy as was Eck and those like him, who seemed to me to defend the pope more for the sake of their bellies than through serious commitment. To this day they seem to me to be laughing at the pope like Epicureans. I took the matter seriously because I had a horrible fear of the Last Day, yet still wished from the depths of my heart to be saved.

Consequently you will find that, in my earlier writings, I most humbly conceded many important things to the pope, things which I later detested and now detest as being the greatest blasphemy and abomination. Therefore, dear reader, kindly ascribe this error or, as my calumniators call it, this contradiction to the time and to my inexperience. At first I was alone and surely much too inept and unlearned to be dealing with such matters. For, as God is my witness, it was by accident and not by my own will or desire that I got involved in all this turmoil.


Martin Luther, preface to Latin works (1545) (http://www.bluffton.edu/~humanities/2/ml-1545.htm)

About Luther's hatred:

One thing to keep in mind about Luther was that his experience as a monk was very frustrating to him. During most of that time he was under the impression that he was never approved totally by God because he felt that his efforts to please God were too meager and tainted with sin. In short, he was depending on works and not Grace to achieve a good standing and because of his misunderstanding of God's requirements hated the righteousness required of him buy God. Actually, this amounted to his hating his own concepts of God based on his misunderstanding of God.


Excerpt
“I labored diligently and anxiously as to how to understand Paul's words in Romans 1:17 where he says, 'The righteousness of God is revealed in the gospel.' I saw the difference, that law is one thing and gospel another. I broke through, and as I had formerly hated the expression 'the righteousness of God,' I now began to regard it as my dearest and most comforting word, so that this expression of Paul's became to me in very truth a gate to paradise.”

But this was before his realization and enlightenment and subsequent turning away from the CC.

Martin Luther: From Birth to His Conversion (1463-1516) (http://www.thirdmill.org/files/english/html/ch/CH.Arnold.RMT.3.HTML)



What do I think about Luther? Well, I believe that his efforts were a significant step toward the restoration of 1st century Christianity. But even after his efforts and their immediate results there was still much more to be done.

the natural man can't understand Spiritual things, so if you want to know the mysteries of My GOD the Father of heaven and earth, let me ask you something, if you died right now where would you go? lets set aside the philosophy and the natural answers and look to your heart and ask the question.


Fightn_tha_good_fight: If I die right now. I don't know where I would go. Like every man that had died they couldn't tell you where they went, when they died, and like every man who is alive presently, when they die they do not know where they will be going. I cannot say it any other way, because any other way is only assumption. "Sorry to say, simply my truth"...

I don't have to make you silly, you talk about yourself in the third person, don't state your own opinions about anything, and only post questions that you can attack and cause trouble, So you make yourself silly very easy,

You play games to try and attack others, and sadly want to draw people into discussions where you don't really want an answer but a chance to challenge things you don't even believe in to start with.

You come into Christianity and merely attempt to make fun of it, sorry but if you don't really want to learn and if you don't really want to find Jesus and convert it is easy to see why you are here.

I don't have to make you silly, you talk about yourself in the third person, don't state your own opinions about anything, and only post questions that you can attack and cause trouble, So you make yourself silly very easy,

You play games to try and attack others, and sadly want to draw people into discussions where you don't really want an answer but a chance to challenge things you don't even belive in to start with.

You come into Christianity and merely attempt to make fun of it, sorry but if you don't really want to learn and if you don't really want to find Jesus and convert it is easy to see why you are here.


Fr Chuck look as if I really am bringing out your unholy side, why are you so angry if I wore out my welcome on this site you can let me know and I would make it my last post. I am tired of being personally verbally attacked by a God fearing man. Respect due to senior members I am a junior member I understand how it works.

J_9 sorry, but J_9 has to agree with the good father. Freethinka look like an idiot.

You see you come here not to ask realistic questions, but rather to start debates that are not winnable, you refer to yourself in the third person, etc. I could go on, but I don't have all night.

Just know that J_9 is watching your posts.


In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who intentionally posts messages about sensitive topics constructed to cause controversy in an online community such as an online discussion forum or USENET groups in order to bait users into responding.[1] They may also plant images and data on networks that others may find disturbing in order to cause confrontation.

Troll (Internet) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll)

Why am I reminded of that Seinfeld episode: "Jimmy likes Elaine...Jimmy is sweet on you. Jimmy can jump."