I don't think it does! I believe in absolute TRUTH. I have been called "intolerant" because I disagree with people who don't believe in absolute truth. I believe homosexuality is WRONG and yet... I have Gay friends. I don't preach to them, but if they ask, I tell them the truth. I believe sex outside marriage is WRONG... but I have friends that live together, do I preach to them.. nope. But if they bring it up... well, I say the Truth. It isn't MY truth... it is HIS truth. WHY is that intolerant.?

This is the thing that gets people the angriest... I believe in only ONE WAY to heaven. I believe because God said it. I didn't set the rules, HE did. Why does that make me intolerant?

I think we as christians should tell people the truth, without putting pressure on them, if someone you love lives a unrightous life, would you say nothing and let them live the way they do, until they bring the subject of their life up?

You have your "truth" we have ours, never the twain shall meet.

I think we as christians should tell people the truth, without putting pressure on them, if someone you love lives a unrightous life, would you say nothing and let them live the way they do, until they bring the subject of their life up?
Marily,

That is a great question. NO. I would NEVER go to a unbeliever and point out that they were living in sin. I would however tell a believer AND there is scripture to back it up. You don't show an unbeliever "the truth" by pointing to their sin. I don't see anywhere in the Word where that is my job. If they ask me, if they want my opinion, if we are in a discussion.. you bet I would. Otherwise, No. I'd be way out of line.

Now that is the problem.
EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinion, but when that opinion differs from your own then tolerance of the others beliefs needs to be shown, NOT disparaging them on a public forum such as this.

The Bible is very explicit about some things. If you accept it as the inspired word of God, then you must accept Jesus as his son, and believing in him is the only way to salvation. While this means you can't accept others' views, you can respect them, just as they should respect yours.

I hear you Curlyben.. but this is A CHRISTIANITY forum... am I right? I believe there is absolute truth in Christianity. I don't get on the other forums and try to shove my beliefs on to anyone else. I don't even try to shove my beliefs on to anyone here frankly. But I do believe in what I believe and I don't think it is intolerant for someone who comes into this forum to stand up for truth. Maybe I'm wrong?? If someone is an "expert" in Christianity ( I'm not saying I am) shouldn't they be able to stand firm in that belief without being intolerant? I don't know.. I'm just asking?

Yes this is a Christianity BOARD and as such deals with ALL forms of Christianity, not just the "Born Again" style that seems to be most verbal when it comes to other peoples' opinions.
My comments wheren't directed purley at yourself, but to a large number of recent members.

The Bible is very explicit about some things. If you accept it as the inspired word of God, then you must accept Jesus as his son, and believing in him is the only way to salvation. While this means you can't accept others' views, you can respect them, just as they should respect yours.

Well said. Just because I totally disagree with someone and say so... doesn't mean I don't respect what they say... I just disagree. What I am finding though, is IF I disagree with a non-believer, I'm called intolerant. AND I've even received private messages saying... I'm intolerant. I don't know, I really don't think I am intolerant at all but maybe I just see me through rose colored glasses... lol.

There are ways of expressing you views and to counter an argument with biblical quotes makes the response seem intolerant.
Yes to disagree with another's opinion is fine, but the manner in which it is done s what causes the friction.

Yes this is a Christianity BOARD and as such deals with ALL forms of Christianity, not just the "Born Again" style that seems to be most verbal when it comes to other peoples' opinions.
My comments wheren't directed purley at yourself, but to a large number of recent members.

I haven't taken anything you said personally. Ok.. I'm going to say something.. don't call me intolerant.

There is only one kind of Christianity.. the born again kind.. the others are bogus. I had to say that.. I believe it is absolute truth...

By bogus, I mean it is impossible to be a believer in Jesus Christ without being born again. Doesn't matter if you believe you are born again, you ARE... IF you are a true believer.

Fair enough as is your right.
Admittedly I'm sure the Catholics would have something to say about that, but that is your own opinion and goes a long way to explaining how your views are formulated.

<<<<<<< Catholic clearing throat here :)

Tessy, bless you for the way you think and I truly mean that. I love people of all faiths and so does OUR Heavenly Father. Nothing bogus about that now is there :)
I will say Tessy, a tad bit on the harsh side to declare those of us who truly love our Heavenly Father as "bogus". But I do embrace you and the way you think and feel and respect your words and thoughts.

I don't really think you meant bogus did you? You know you can edit a previous post if need be. :D

Amen :)

Curlyben and allheart,

My point is you can call yourself, catholic, pentecostal, baptist.. etc. If you believe in Jesus Christ as your personal savior, you ARE born again. There is no such thing as a NON born again believer. I am CERTAIN of this.. but I'm not angry with you if you don't accept this as absolute truth.

I haven't taken anything you said personally. Ok..i'm gonna say something..don't call me intolerant.

There is only one kind of Christianity..the born again kind..the others are bogus. I had to say that..i believe it is absolute truth...Just going to quote that for posterity.

Hey needkarma,

Trust me, I'm very tolerant of you... I just believe in absolute truth. I say what I believe but I'm not going to get ticked because you don't believe it. I respect that you aren't... right. Lol

I respect that you aren't...right. lolAs I respect that there is something wrong with you. LOL

NeedKarma,

Ahhh now you are getting testy on me.

Hey I put the "LOL" there so it's OK!

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Tessy777 agrees: Perhaps bogus was offensive... I didn't mean it that way. I mean I believe all true believers are born again.. even if they don't label it as such.

Tess, I truly didn't think you meant it the way it read. No problem. The problem with terms like born again and such is it can make people feel alienated. I never quite understood nor liked the term. I think every time we repent and are truly sorry, then we may be cleansed again... but sadly, because we are human, only to get dirty all over again.

I also believe that Our Father loves each and everyone of us... deeply. A love that we could never understand. No matter what religion, even if there isn't a religion. He loves us all. Does an earthly father only love his children who behave?

Anyway, no offense taken.

Why does that make me intolerant?

Because someone said so, that's why. And if they said so it's bound to be true. I mean seriously, who would know you better than them? :D

I don't get it either Tessy, Christians dare not make a judgment contrary to any politically/culturally/socially correct principle, we're supposed to just sit back and take our licks. The fact that those who condemn you for making such judgments are indeed judging you according to their own biases and beliefs seems to escape them - much like facts that indicate you're a pretty good gal and not who they say you are. I think it all may boil down to those who don't buy into this absolute truth from God thing just can't bear to consider the fact that we (and of course God) just might be right.

Steve

Tessy777

Agree with you.
There are some that even would go so far as to point out that you are TOO tolerant.

Was Jesus "intolerant" when he threw out the money changers in the temple?
No He was right, despite being "intolerant " of them.

In John 8 : - he forgave the adultress [ no one cast stones ] but he states "leave your life of sin."

In john 3: He points out that the woman at the well was cohabitating - Intolerance there ?


Truth is Truth, tolerance does not equal love.

Should a parent be tolerant of a child's drug use?

It does not give Believers the right to point fingers or stones, [ someone's sin might be homosexuality, mine is anger , or lust or porn etc.. ] but to realize we are all sinners in need of His mercy.





Grace and Peace

Should a parent be tolerant of a child's drug use?

Grace and Peace

No never be tolerant of a child's drug abuse, but will still love the child with all their hearts, yes ?

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Tessy777 agrees: Perhaps bogus was offensive...i didn't mean it that way. I mean I believe all true believers are born again.. even if they don't label it as such.

Tess, I truly didn't think you meant it the way it read. No problem. The problem with terms like born again and such is it can make people feel alienated. I never quite understood nor liked the term. I think everytime we repent and are truly sorry, then we may be cleansed again...but sadly, because we are human, only to get dirty all over again.

I also belive that Our Father loves each and everyone of us....deeply. A love that we could never understand. No matter what religion, even if there isn't a religion. He loves us all. Does an earthly father only love his children who behave??

Anyway, no offense taken.
I call myself a Chirstian.. if someone wants to say I am a "born again" Christain that is OK too. It only means that the Holy Spirit lives in us and he is constantly changing us into HIS likeness. I agree with you, we will NEVER understand, or comprehend His Love. Not here anyway.

You know as I sit and work with many denominations, and read the Nicene Creed, where we see that all Christians are part of the universal church, all are brothers in Christ.

I sit and think of Peter and some of the other followers who demanded for a while that all Christians convert to be Jewish first, since being a Christian required you to be jewish. That was changed but I am sure there were many who sad and said, you know all of those "heathens" are really bogus chrisians.

And the term born again is one of the most abused terms, to some it demands speaking in tounges, to others there has to be a specific sinners prayer said even if you are not baptised first. And to many others the being born again is being baptised. So one has to be careful throwing out words that will mean one thing to a penticostal, another to a baptist and a totally different thing to a catholic.

But in the end, those that have accepted Jesus as their Savior, trust in him for their salvation, and are baptised, they will be saved.
If that is what you are calling born again, great, if not, then not so great.

Tessy777

Agree with you.
There are some that even would go so far as to point out that you are TOO tolerant.

Was Jesus "intolerant" when he threw out the money changers in the temple?
No He was right, despite being "intolerant " of them.

In John 8 : - he forgave the adultress [ no one cast stones ] but he states "leave your life of sin."

In john 3: He points out that the woman at the well was cohabitating - Intolerance there ?


Truth is Truth, tolerance does not equal love.

Should a parent be tolerant of a child's drug use?

It does not give Believers the right to point fingers or stones, [ someone's sin might be homosexuality, mine is anger , or lust or porn etc.. ] but to realize we are all sinners in need of His mercy.





Grace and Peace
I agree with you and the truth is... I have to stand firm in my faith... I WANT to stand firm in my faith. I suppose it is intolerance. But.. I'm NOT unkind, I'm not rude, and I don't stand in judgement. I simply speak the truth.

Because someone said so, that's why. And if they said so it's bound to be true. I mean seriously, who would know you better than them? :D

I don't get it either Tessy, Christians dare not make a judgment contrary to any politically/culturally/socially correct principle, we're supposed to just sit back and take our licks. The fact that those who condemn you for making such judgments are indeed judging you according to their own biases and beliefs seems to escape them - much like facts that indicate you're a pretty good gal and not who they say you are. I think it all may boil down to those who don't buy into this absolute truth from God thing just can't bear to consider the fact that we (and of course God) just might be right.

Steve
Steve,

I knew you'd come to my rescue.. I was getting beat up in here... lol!

Steve,

I knew you'd come to my rescue.. I was getting beat up in here...lol!

I may be a little slow, but I eventually get there ;)

John 14:6 "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

John 3:3 "In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."

I believe in God's absolute truth and the authority of His Word. But I don't hate my gay cousin because of it or the person at work that ridicules me because I am a Christian.

Matthew 22:36-40 - "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37 Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'

As Christians, we love God and we love His truth. But we also love others. There seems to be a fine line between standing up for truth and loving others and some Christians get it wrong and make a bad name for the rest of us. Out of love, when we stand up for absolute truth because as Luther said "our conscience is held captive by the Word of God" it is unfair to call us intolerant, narrow minded, or arrogant.

Kevin,
John 14:6 is my favorite verse... it hangs in my living room. Can I say that here... or is that verse too.. INTOLERANT?

Just to clarify once and for all.


1. not tolerating or respecting beliefs, opinions, usages, manners, etc., different from one's own, as in political or religious matters; bigoted.
2. unable or unwilling to tolerate or endure (usually fol. by of): intolerant of very hot weather.
–noun
3. an intolerant person; bigot.

Quite often used with

a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

I hope I have made my point for the final time.

But in the end, those that have accepted Jesus as thier Savior, trust in him for thier salvation, and are baptised, they will be saved.

And that's what it really all comes down to, isn't it?

As for the rest of this...

I, too, believe in Absolute Truth... however, I have a sneaking suspicion that my Absolute Truth greatly varies from yours.

Kevin,
John 14:6 is my favorite verse...it hangs in my living room. Can i say that here...or is that verse too..INTOLERANT??

See Tessy, now I could be wrong, but right there sounds like sarcasm to me. How is that loving? Look, I am so imperfect I can not even stand it myself, so I never look into someone else's garden as I have to many weeds in my own. So I am not pointing a finger at you, I am just pointing out that none of us are perfect, and it is by our words and actions that maybe we can help each other out.

I happen to be Catholic. It works for me. It is comfortable for me. But I have said before, I think all relgions are roads to God and not one road better then the other. Yes, I do realize that we need to accept Jesus as our loving saviour and of course I do, but I still am so imperfect and only can hope that through loving each other we can make all of this just a little easier.

And I repeat... beleive you me... I am far from perfect and stand in judgment of no one. My Mom happens to go to chapel every day. And she tells anyone who will listen, it is not because she is good, it is because she is having such a hard time trying to be good and goes to Chapel to get strength. It has made her a great deal more peaceful.

Anyway, hope I didn't take this thread off the tracks.

Kevin,
John 14:6 is my favorite verse...it hangs in my living room. Can i say that here...or is that verse too..INTOLERANT??

Sarcasm or not, you shouldn't have to feel the need to even ask such a question... considering that "tolerance" dictates that you have the right to quote that verse all you want. But then, those who advocate tolerance tend to only advocate tolerance for some.

See Tessy, now I could be wrong, but right there sounds like sarcasm to me. How is that loving? Look, I am so imperfect I can not even stand it myself, so I never look into someone else's garden as I have to many weeds in my own. So I am not pointing a finger at you, I am just pointing out that none of us are perfect, and it is by our words and actions that maybe we can help each other out.

I happen to be Catholic. It works for me. It is comfortable for me. But I have said before, I think all relgions are roads to God and not one road better then the other. Yes, I do realize that we need to accept Jesus as our loving saviour and of course I do, but I still am so imperfect and only can hope that through loving each other we can make all of this just a little easier.

And I repeat....beleive you me....I am far from perfect and stand in judgment of no one. My Mom happens to go to chapel every day. And she tells anyone who will listen, it is not because she is good, it is because she is having such a hard time trying to be good and goes to Chapel to get strength. It has made her a great deal more peaceful.

Anyway, hope I didn't take this thread off the tracks.

Yes, there was sacrasm there!! But I Didn't"T write the Bible AND those were Jesus' Words not MINE. My point? I believe is clear....that verse isn't very "tolerant" of other paths to God. I didn't say it... Jesus did.

Allheart, your thoughts about religion are nice... but they can't be backed up with TRUTH. I'm not being mean. I am just saying... the TRUTH. Jesus is the TRUTH... those were HIS words. Not mine. (I'm referring to John 14:6)

I use sarcasm to be humorus... not rude or unloving. It is OK if you don't like that kind of humor...

Yes, there was sacrasm there!!! But I DIDN"T write the Bible AND those were Jesus' Words not MINE. My point? I believe is clear....that verse isn't very "tolerant" of other paths to God. I didn't say it...Jesus did.

Allheart, your thoughts about religion are nice...but they can't be backed up with TRUTH. I'm not being mean. I am just saying...the TRUTH. Jesus is the TRUTH....those were HIS words. not mine.

Tessy, I know you are not trying to be mean. I do believe that to be true. But I honestly don't have a clue as to what you are talking about and I promise, I am not being flip. I really don't understand, and to be honest, not sure I want to.

You are right, I never have a bible passage handy to back up my beliefs. When I went to school we didn't have bible study. I only can share what I have been taught and what is in my heart now and when I pray. Yes, Jesus is the truth and a beautiful truth of love.

Tessy, I know you are not trying to be mean. I do believe that to be true. But I honestly don't have a clue as to what you are talking about and I promise, I am not being flip. I really don't understand, and to be honest, not sure I want to.

You are right, I never have a bible passage handy to back up my beliefs. When I went to school we didn't have bible study. I only can share what I have been taught and what is in my heart now and when I pray. Yes, Jesus is the truth and a beautiful truth of love.
John 14:6... Jesus is talking... I am the way, the truth and the life No man comes to the Father but by me.

He didn't say, I am A way... he said I am THE way. This statement that He made doesn't sound very tolerant to your idea that all paths lead to the Father.

Please don't read that and get offended. I didn't say it.. Jesus said it and I believe HIM.

Yes Tess, I do remember that verse. I always thought it was... " I am the way, the truth and the Light, no man comes to the Father except through me.

Yes almost exact to yours. And yes, Jesus said it and no I am not offended. But Jesus said it with a loving tongue, not a hammer to the head (not saying that is what you are doing).

Jesus was and is a beautiful, peaceful and loving soul, that we should try and emmulate. Through love we can bring each other to the Father. I guess I just fear that if it is beleived that God can reject one of us, what is to stop me from being rejected. "There before the grace of God go I". Do you know what I am trying to say, Tessy, we have the same danger of not being in God's loving light as everyone else. Every day, every minute is a challenge and I believe it is only by loving one another that we can truly know God's love.

I seroiusly serioulsy seriously doubt that Jesus's intention was to alienate anyone. Sometimes it gives the appearance that I am on the right side of the fence and you are not. Tess, none of us are ever always on the right side of the fence, to think otherwise may be worse then even knowing there is a fence.

Gosh, hope this make sense, it is getting late. :)

You know as I sit and work with many denominations, and read the Nicene Creed, where we see that all Christians are part of the universal church, all are brothers in Christ.

I sit and think of Peter and some of the other followers who demanded for a while that all Christians convert to be Jewish first, since being a Christian required you to be jewish. That was changed but I am sure there were many who sad and said, you know all of those "heathens" are really bogus chrisians.

And the term born again is one of the most abused terms, to some it demands speaking in tounges, to others there has to be a specific sinners prayer said even if you are not baptised first. And to many others the being born again is being baptised. So one has to be careful throwing out words that will mean one thing to a penticostal, another to a baptist and a totally different thing to a catholic.

But in the end, those that have accepted Jesus as thier Savior, trust in him for thier salvation, and are baptised, they will be saved.
If that is what you are calling born again, great, if not, then not so great.

Dude. You obviously missed my point... my point was that if you are a believer in Jesus Christ and own him as savior and LORD... you ARE born again. There is no such things as a Christian who isn't born again. The "born again" process is what God does the minute we believe... we are sealed with his Spirit. It is like me saying.. I am a woman but I'm not human. What does that even mean?? That is why I called the term "non born again believer" BOGUS.

Dude. you obviously missed my point....my point was that if you are a believer in Jesus Christ and own him as savior and LORD...you ARE born again. There is no such things as a Christian who isn't born again. The "born again" process is what God does the minute we believe...we are sealed with his Spirit. It is like me saying..I am a woman but I'm not human. What does that even mean???? That is why i called the term "non born again believer" BOGUS.

Tessy, you didn't just call Fr. Chuck "dude", did you ? Oh my.

Goodnight everyone. Pleasant dreams.

Tessy, you didn't just call Fr. Chuck "dude", did you ? Oh my.

Goodnight everyone. Pleasant dreams.

I DID! Was that bad etiquette?? Lol... sorry fr-chuck.. I call lots of men... dude.

Yes Tess, I do remember that verse. I always thought it was..." I am the way, the truth and the Light, no man comes to the Father except through me.

Yes almost exact to yours. And yes, Jesus said it and no I am not offended. But Jesus said it with a loving tongue, not a hammer to the head (not saying that is what you are doing).

Jesus was and is a beautiful, peaceful and loving soul, that we should try and emmulate. Through love we can bring each other to the Father. I guess I just fear that if it is beleived that God can reject one of us, what is to stop me from being rejected. "There before the grace of God go I". Do you know what I am trying to say, Tessy, we have the same danger of not being in God's loving light as everyone else. Every day, every minute is a challenge and I beleive it is only by loving one another that we can truly know God's love.

I seroiusly serioulsy seriously doubt that Jesus's intention was to alienate anyone. Sometimes it gives the appearance that I am on the right side of the fence and you are not. Tess, none of us are ever always on the right side of the fence, to think otherwise may be worse then even knowing there is a fence.

Gosh, hope this make sense, it is getting late. :)

Poor allheart, I feel like I am picking on you.. I'm not.

MY Jesus is beautiful... the bible puts it like this... "He is altogether lovely"... My Jesus IS the epitome of Love... "Greater love hath no man than this that a man lay down his life for his friends". But as far as "peaceful" he clearly states that HE didn't come to bring PEACE. He came to BRING TRUTH. He called the pharasee's a "brood of vipers"... ouch.. doesnt sound very peaceful.. or "tolerant".

Jesus isn't some limp wristed, milquetoast guy, that floated around bringing some kind of message about different paths that lead to the Father. HE IS THE WAY...

He came as a Lamb.. He is coming back as a Lion.

In a sense absolute truth does represent intolerance as in other answers are unacceptable. However this is different to arrogance which insists that a person holding an incorrect view is in someway inferior. This is true intolerance. Respect requires that we show an person holding an incorrect view their error and leave them to discern the truth

Rev Dude, maybe I could change my screen name?? Sounds like a good name for a TV preacher,

But no not really missed the point, was perhaps redirecting it, trying to draw people together, The issue is when you throw a word out "born again" that word does not mean the same to everyone, so often you have to tell the details of what it means. Since there are many that say unless you speak in tounges you can not be born again, To others you have to be baptised by immerssion only, to others it has to be a baptism in their church, others don't count.

And thats what it really all comes down to, isnt it?

As for the rest of this...

I, too, believe in Absolute Truth... however, I have a sneaking suspicion that my Absolute Truth greatly varies from yours.

Okie Dokie DrJizzle,

I couldn't resist so I read your introduction page. I TOO have a sneaking suspicion that your "absolute truth" and my absolute truth differ.

Looks like you set out to experience any and all ungodly things you could find. Am I correct to assume that this "journey" you took is how you came to find "absolute truth"? Just curious. Oh and how do you back your "absolute truth" up?

I know curiosity killed the cat.. but I'm nosey and I couldn't resist the bait. ;)

Well, actually it is YOUR truth. It is what is true for you. What's true for you isn't true for others. But I don't think telling someone what you believe to be true means you are intolerant unless of course you pick fights and are disrespectful to the fact that others believe differently. Intolerance can be cruel. Truth can upset someone. But what's "true" to you is simply your opinion of what is true. No one can prove or disprove it either way as fact that "God" actually said it. It's written in a book. A book that was written by men. So, you have to look at where others are coming from too. But if you believe homosexuality is wrong, yet you have gay friends - I fail to see how this would make you intolerant!

Okie Dokie DrJizzle,

I couldn't resist so I read your introduction page. I TOO have a sneaking suspicion that your "absolute truth" and my absolute truth differ.

Looks like you set out to experience any and all ungodly things you could find. Am I correct to assume that this "journey" you took is how you came to find "absolute truth"? just curious. oh and how do you back your "absolute truth" up?

I know curiosity killed the cat..but I'm nosey and I couldn't resist the bait. ;)

Ahh yes, the good ol' intro... had almost forgotten about that...

Anyway, you claim that everything I set out to experience was ungodly. That is simply not true. God is everything and is in everything. Surely, you understand that.

I do not believe that you are using the correct choice of words to title what you call "Absolute Truth".

"I believe there is only one way to get to Heaven" is what I believe you said. And in there, like with so many others, lies the fault of religion. Its like everything religion teaches us is for the grand prize: a one-way ticket into Heaven. What happened to real, unconditional love?

What if the Bible taught us that by follow His Word, we were going to burn in Hell for all eternity... but we should still Love our God just the same? And on top of that, all the unbelievers would go to a place like Heaven. I wonder how many of today's Christians would still be Christians! I doubt there would be any. They would say "well, thats not fair!" But does fair matter? Love the Lord, thy God... regardless of the consequences.



And don't worry, I do not take offense to your Ad Hominem response. I've come to expect nothing less from most.

Oh and Needkarma,

Did you learn a new word? Ad Hominem? Dude!. that is pretty big time for you... lol

Hey, you going to go putting red marks on all my stuff? That's OK.. it means I'm getting to you!

And just sos you know... I'm trying to! ;)

ahh yes, the good ol' intro... had almost forgotten about that...

Anyway, you claim that everything I set out to experience was ungodly. That is simply not true. God is everything and is in everything. Surely, you understand that.

I do not believe that you are using the correct choice of words to title what you call "Absolute Truth".

"I believe there is only one way to get to Heaven" is what I believe you said. And in there, like with so many others, lies the fault of religion. Its like everything religion teaches us is for the grand prize: a one-way ticket into Heaven. What happened to real, unconditional love?

What if the Bible taught us that by follow His Word, we were going to burn in Hell for all eternity... but we should still Love our God just the same? And on top of that, all the unbelievers would go to a place like Heaven. I wonder how many of todays Christians would still be Christians!! I doubt there would be any. They would say "well, thats not fair!" But does fair matter? Love the Lord, thy God... regardless of the consequences.



And dont worry, I do not take offense to your Ad Hominem response. I've come to expect nothing less from most.


Geesh, what is with the paranoia? I was just curious as to what your absolute truth was. You were the one that said you believed in it and it was different from mine. I was not going to attack you. I was curious!

Hey, don't listen to Needkarma, he's just a little miffed with me right now... He'll get over it.
This wasn't a Ad hominem attack.

Oh and Needkarma,

did you learn a new word? Ad Hominem? dude!..that is pretty big time for you...lol

hey, you gonna go putting red marks on all my stuff? thats ok..it means i'm getting to you!

and just sos ya know....i'm tryin to! ;)


Tessy,

Just curious, why are you trying to get to NK? Oh, I know NK can more than handle it and doubt that you are actually getting to him, but is that something you do when you are born again?

Can you see the conflict and confusion I have in all of this with some of what you write.
We are not to get to anyone, we are to love one another as we love ourselves. Yes? Do unto others and all that.

Tessy, to be quite honest, not sure I want or need a response.

Tessy,

Just curious, why are you trying to get to NK? Oh, I know NK can more than handle it and doubt that you are actually getting to him, but is that something you do when you are born again?

Can you see the conflict and confusion I have in all of this with some of what you write.
We are not to get to anyone, we are to love one another as we love ourselves. Yes? Do unto others and all that.

Tessy, to be quite honest, not sure I want or need a response.

Allheart,

I'm just teasing him a bit... don't worry. I have a feeling he can handle it .Sorry Allheart, but teasing him (as he has done ME) and being rude and Unkind are two diferently things. I am a Christian, but I didn't lose my sense of humor or my personality. It's OK though if YOU don't like it. And no, I see no conflict or confusion in me being a Christian and messin with NK. Sorry

Sorry Tessy,

My mistake. Truly am sorry. I love to laugh and joke too. I didn't realize it was all in fun and not meant to be "tessy" oopps I mean "testy"... LOL hee hee. :)

Humor is a great thing. Okay, carry on..

Here is a related article from those smart "wingers" over in the politics section

Regurgitating the Apple: How Modern Liberals "Think" (http://www.heritage.org/Research/Thought/hl1020.cfm)

inthebox,
I started to try to read that but the narrow column and the 5 feet of scrolling wore me out. I'm not sure why you feel it fits in this thread.

An excerpt frm that article:


"If nobody ever thought they were right, what would we disagree about? If we didn't disagree, surely we wouldn't fight. If we didn't fight, of course we wouldn't go to war. Without war, there would be no poverty; without poverty, there would be no crime; without crime, there would be no injustice. It's a utopian vision, and all that's required to usher in this utopia is the rejection of all fact, reason, evi&#173;dence, logic, truth, morality, and decency--all the tools that you and I use in our attempts to be better people, to make the world more right by trying to be right, by siding with right, by recognizing what is right and moving toward it."

The point of the article, and I know it is long, is that in the quest to be "tolerant" and not offend anyone, no judgements can be made as to whether something is good or bad. When nothing is good or bad, there is nothing to fight for, and evil wins.

A classic historical example of this is the appeasement of Hitler.


Grace and Peace