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pmh383388
Jun 18, 2007, 12:54 AM
In Christisn, as God; In Islam, as Allah; In Hindus, as Krisna... Why are there so many Gods ?

Clough
Jun 18, 2007, 02:36 AM
You have posed a good question. But, in my opinion, I'm not so sure that it belongs in the Philosophy section of this site. You might want to consider reposting it on the following link as it may be more likely to get more noticed there. Not that it won't here. But, I am aware of the slim history of people looking to answer questions on the Philosophy section of this site.

talaniman
Jun 18, 2007, 04:41 AM
You might want to see this thread,
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/other-religion/jehovah-allah-51597.html#post241496

pmh383388
Jun 18, 2007, 05:17 AM
You have posed a good question. But, in my opinion, I'm not so sure that it belongs in the Philosophy section of this site. You might want to consider reposting it on the following link as it may be more likely to get more noticed there. Not that it won't here. But, I am aware of the slim history of people looking to answer questions on the Philosophy section of this site.





Thanks for reminding me ! I have repost it to other religion.

Capuchin
Jun 18, 2007, 05:19 AM
Could a mod move this to other religion, and tidy up my own and clough's comments appropriately, please?

Curlyben
Jun 18, 2007, 05:24 AM
All moved

Fr_Chuck
Jun 18, 2007, 05:26 AM
I guess the question as to one or many gods will well depend on your belief.

To most it is only "their" god that is the one and only true god, to others they may have several gods and see others gods as possible but lesser gods.

Historically the only three gods that can be linked would be those of the Jewish fath, the Muslim faith and Christianity. Since for all of them, their god has the same start and base from the old testement and the god of the Hewbrew people. But of course for many people in each of those faiths, there is little acceptance of the others as being the valid god.

Why, because one has to view that man has always had a desire to worship and have been looking for something.

I will not get into my god is better than your god here, and will ask others not to either, but to only follow the idea and theme of the post.
Since of course we all believe our god is the best one.

talaniman
Jun 18, 2007, 05:43 AM
In Christisn, as God; In Islam, as Allah; In Hindus, as Krisna....... Why are there so many Gods ?
There is only one in my way of thinking, but everyone wants you to think your crazy if you don't worship "their" God.

firmbeliever
Jul 18, 2007, 01:27 PM
Hey,
You are thinker and you are questioning the very reason of our existence on this earth.

Isn't it obvious it is us humans who have made up so many gods/goddesses as we moved around the earth.
Humans beings see the natural world and when they see trees/water/animals they fear these creatures instead of the Creator.
If there were more than one creator would not there be fights among the creators and the universe and all that exists on this earth will not run as smoothly as it is running.
for example The sun god will crash it into the moon god and all the other planet gods will get angry and throw each others planets and the earth will be no more (as the Suns distance from the moon is what determines the earths temperatures and keeps all life alive on our planet).
Would you believe that when you see a computer that it made up itself from a scrap heap?No, you will conclude that someone made it and made it workable,likewise the universe could not have created itself with all the right amounts of oxygen in the air, the exact orbit for planets, the fish having gills,the birds having wings,humans having brains (and so much research has not still found out how the brain stores so much info without overloading)!!
Draw your own conclusions, if there were more than one god wouldn't there be chaos in the creation? Of course human beings create their own confusion as they are the ones not sure of who to follow, all other created beings acknowledge the Creator and bow down only to His will.

Regards

deist
Sep 9, 2007, 04:58 PM
If God is an infinite being then there can be only one God. More than one cannot be infinite.

Capuchin
Sep 9, 2007, 10:26 PM
If God is an infinite being then there can be only one God. More than one cannot be infinite.
What? Why not?

StuMegu
Sep 10, 2007, 12:33 PM
Would you believe that when you see a computer that it made up itself from a scrap heap?No, you will conclude that someone made it and made it workable,likewise the universe could not have created itself with all the right amounts of oxygen in the air, the exact orbit for planets, the fish having gills,the birds having wings,humans having brains (and so much research has not still found out how the brain stores so much info without overloading)!!!

Yet people still believe that God made himself out of nothing? Can we have some consistency here please, one thing is allowed to make itself and another isn't?

Capuchin
Sep 10, 2007, 12:36 PM
Of course God was created :)

firmbeliever
Sep 10, 2007, 01:11 PM
Yet people still believe that God made himself out of nothing? Can we have some consistency here please, one thing is allowed to make itself and another isnt?

That's a funny way of saying it.:).

I believe God was never made (out of nothing or out of anything),
God always existed and always will, without a beginning and an end.

And that is the only consistency, that I believe...

Capuchin
Sep 10, 2007, 01:18 PM
God always existed and always will, without a beginning and an end.

Why can you not believe that the universe has always existed and always will? Why is that less believable than an eternal god?

firmbeliever
Sep 10, 2007, 01:28 PM
Why can you not believe that the universe has always existed and always will? why is that less believable than an eternal god?

Because I believe in the Quran.:)

deist
Sep 10, 2007, 01:33 PM
Why can you not believe that the universe has always existed and always will? why is that less believable than an eternal god? Very few, if any scientists, now doubt the big bang theory, which indicates that the universe had a definite beginning before which it did not exist. Science cannot answer what existed before the big bang, but some postulate an eternal singularity. However, were it eternal, it would still be a singularity. Anything that science can theorize about what was before the big bang is just that, a theory. Belief in God, too is just a theory, but one I subscribe to.

Capuchin
Sep 10, 2007, 01:44 PM
Because I believe in the Quran.:)

This is one thing I fear I will never understand. "Because a book tells me to" isn't very convincing to me.

Capuchin
Sep 10, 2007, 01:47 PM
Very few, if any scientists, now doubt the big bang theory, which indicates that the universe had a definite beginning before which it did not exist.

I don't think that big bang theory posits what was before the big bang as you suggest. It describes well what happened after the big bang but not before. What came before is in alternate theories, and there are many of them and none of which have a particular majority. (the most supported hypothesis is that there was nothing before the big bang, like you say, but it's not a very convincing answer, and people mainly believe it because there are no other well supported theories at the moment. However, there are several hypotheses that are gaining more ground).

firmbeliever
Sep 10, 2007, 02:47 PM
This is one thing I fear I will never understand. "Because a book tells me to" isn't very convincing to me.

I knew you would say this:)
But you did ask "why" and that there is my reason.

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Here's a link, hopefully you will better understand my views even if you do not believe them.:)
http://quranicverse99.tripod.com/pathtoparadise/id1.html
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Capuchin
Sep 11, 2007, 11:28 AM
deist, can you explain why you think there cannot be 2 infinite gods?

deist
Sep 11, 2007, 02:06 PM
deist, can you explain why you think there cannot be 2 infinite gods?It just occurs to me, & seems logical, that more than one infinite being would not really be infinite. If two beings existed & both claimed to be supreme, that wouldn't make sense, as supreme means there is none as high or higher.

magprob
Sep 11, 2007, 07:34 PM
All are but parts of one stupendous whole, Whose body Nature is, and God the soul.

Capuchin
Sep 11, 2007, 11:30 PM
It just occurs to me, & seems logical, that more than one infinite being would not really be infinite. If two beings existed & both claimed to be supreme, that wouldn't make sense, as supreme means there is none as high or higher.
Well you didn't say supreme -_-

StuMegu
Sep 12, 2007, 10:36 AM
thats a funny way of saying it.:).

I believe God was never made (out of nothing or out of anything),
God always existed and always will, without a beginning and an end.

And that is the only consistency, that I believe...

If you're not prepared to answer the same question, lets just say that the computer has always existed - and always will in response to your original question.

Gee, it's easy to avoid difficult questions isn't it!

WHO MADE GOD?? - No religious person can answer this one but it's a reasonable question.

WHY MAKE A GOD?

Why do gods enjoy making all the people trying to be good feel guilty, whilst ignoring the bad deeds of people who don't care?

firmbeliever
Sep 12, 2007, 11:28 AM
If you're not prepared to answer the same question, lets just say that the computer has always existed - and always will in response to your original question.

Gee, it's easy to avoid difficult questions isn't it!

WHO MADE GOD??? - No religious person can answer this one but it's a reasonable question.

WHY MAKE A GOD??

Why do gods enjoy making all the people trying to be good feel guilty, whilst ignoring the bad deeds of people who don't care?

:D It is easy to avoid difficult questions,but other than that I try to stay away from things I may not know about:)

I wonder why God has to be made by someone or something?He is not human nor is He animal or half human or half animal or half plant for that matter.
He is unique from any of His creations. As the Creator, He has no characteristics similar to His creations, so He is not born nor has he begotten.He does not die.If He had to have a birth and a death, I would think that would make Him cease to be God.

And God does not have to be made.He always existed, it is just that humans and jinns are forgetting His existence.All other created beings acknowledge and bow down to His will.

And about ignoring the bad deeds of people, some people are left to their own vices until they die when everyone will be judged on their deeds good or bad and each will have their due.

That I believe is the truth, even if no one accepts or believes it.

firmbeliever
Sep 12, 2007, 12:07 PM
there is no god when you soell god backwards it spells dog think about it

:) Think about what?
That words can be spelled backwards?

God is only a word in English...
What about all the other languages?:)

talaniman
Sep 12, 2007, 02:41 PM
Why do gods enjoy making all the people trying to be good feel guilty, whilst ignoring the bad deeds of people who don't care?
That's so much crap, as there is always a price to pay for whatever you do!! You may not pay the price now, but you will. You may not get the blessings now, BUT YOU WILL!!

firmbeliever
Sep 12, 2007, 04:19 PM
Thats so much crap, as there is always a price to pay for whatever you do!!! You may not pay the price now, but you will. You may not get the blessings now, BUT YOU WILL!!!

Talaniman,
That was so well said.

Price has to be paid now or later, but there is no avoiding it forever.
Blessings will also be given now or later,and there's no avoiding that either:)

StuMegu
Sep 13, 2007, 11:47 AM
Who made God? - Ignorance, God is used to explain things we don't understand yet.

Why make God? - to make other people do your will. How else do you ask a man to give his life for something he otherwise wouldn't care about. You run around crying holy war - you have to do it for God or you won't go to heaven. Religion is a way of manipulating people into doing something you couldn't normally convince them to do. It's also used as a pacifier to comfort people when tragedy strikes. It makes people feel better to know that that person has gone to heaven etc.

Knowledge will be the end of religion eventually. This is clear. Do you still fear that god is angry with you when there is a thunder storm - think about it. Do you feel like you have done wrong and that is the reason for the storm like people used to? Or do you watch the weather forecast and know that the storm will be over in the morning - whether you have been bad or good.

Thanks for the chat guys, I'm sure we'll never agree on this stuff but I wish you all a nice life anyway.

firmbeliever
Sep 13, 2007, 12:04 PM
Who made God? - Ignorance, God is used to explain things we don't understand yet.

Why make God? - to make other people do your will. How else do you ask a man to give his life for something he otherwise wouldn't care about. You run around crying holy war - you have to do it for God or you won't go to heaven. Religion is a way of manipulating people into doing something you couldn't normally convince them to do. It's also used as a pacifier to comfort people when tragedy strikes. It makes people feel better to know that that person has gone to heaven etc.

Knowledge will be the end of religion eventually. This is clear. Do you still fear that god is angry with you when there is a thunder storm - think about it. Do you feel like you have done wrong and that is the reason for the storm like people used to? Or do you watch the weather forecast and know that the storm will be over in the morning - whether you have been bad or good.

Thanks for the chat guys, I'm sure we'll never agree on this stuff but I wish you all a nice life anyway.


I agree to disagree.:)
Knowledge does not necessarily have to end religion,for me it strengthens mine.

Wangdoodle
Sep 13, 2007, 05:55 PM
If you're not prepared to answer the same question, lets just say that the computer has always existed - and always will in response to your original question.

Gee, it's easy to avoid difficult questions isn't it!

WHO MADE GOD??? - No religious person can answer this one but it's a reasonable question.

WHY MAKE A GOD??

Why do gods enjoy making all the people trying to be good feel guilty, whilst ignoring the bad deeds of people who don't care?

God was not made. He simply Is. If there were ever a time when nothing existed then there would be nothing today. Something does not come from nothing. Nothing plus nothing equals nothing. Yet, here we are. So, I think that something must be uncreated, something that has always existed. To me, that something is God. God does not have a beginning, so He does not have a cause.

Capuchin
Sep 13, 2007, 11:41 PM
God was not made. He simply Is. If there were ever a time when nothing existed then there would be nothing today. Something does not come from nothing. Nothing plus nothing equals nothing. Yet, here we are. So, I think that something must be uncreated, something that has always existed. To me, that something is God. God does not have a beginning, so He does not have a cause.

Why do you think that the universe cannot be uncreated?

StuMegu
Sep 14, 2007, 10:30 AM
God was not made. He simply Is. If there were ever a time when nothing existed then there would be nothing today. Something does not come from nothing. Nothing plus nothing equals nothing. Yet, here we are. So, I think that something must be uncreated, something that has always existed. To me, that something is God. God does not have a beginning, so He does not have a cause.

Classic example of ignorance creating God. Because we don't know exactly how the universe(s) came about we therefore assume God did it! The fact that we think something does not come from nothing has nothing to do with whether God exists or not.

NeedKarma
Sep 14, 2007, 10:37 AM
Stu,

You can't argue with:

4419

StuMegu
Sep 14, 2007, 10:49 AM
Stu,

You can't argue with:

4419

LOL:D

Tis true Need. But nevertheless Sport is Sport and I've had a long week:)

deist
Sep 14, 2007, 02:50 PM
LOL:D

Tis true Need. But nevertheless Sport is Sport and I've had a long week:)I thought askmehelpdesk was for sharing information & ideas, not making sport.

NeedKarma
Sep 14, 2007, 03:07 PM
I thought askmehelpdesk was for sharing information & ideas, not making sport.It's sometimes for both when the situation fits.

Wangdoodle
Sep 14, 2007, 06:02 PM
Why do you think that the universe cannot be uncreated?

I am following the theory that the universe has a beginning.

Wangdoodle
Sep 14, 2007, 06:04 PM
Classic example of ignorance creating God. Because we don't know exactly how the universe(s) came about we therefore assume God did it! The fact that we think something does not come from nothing has nothing to do with whether God exists or not.

You asked who made God. Not, does God exist. So, the premises in your question is that God does exist. My answer is referring to who made God.

StuMegu
Sep 15, 2007, 03:14 AM
You asked who made God. Not, does God exist. So, the premises in your question is that God does exist. My answer is referring to who made God.

So your answer to Who made God is: - it didn't happen. Well I'll agree with you on that one :D :D :D

StuMegu
Sep 15, 2007, 03:28 AM
I thought askmehelpdesk was for sharing information & ideas, not making sport.

What's wrong with enjoying the argument? If I find it pleasing to disrupt someone's false (in my opinion) statement, am I not then allowed to express myself just because I am enjoying it?

I consider it sport to argue with anyone - it's a competition isn't it?

Please don't get upset with me on this, I don't mind if the other side think it's sport to attempt to destroy my arguments!

I understand that this is peoples religion and they can take it very seriously, but I take the opposite view (which doesn't neccesitate as much seriousness) until someone can convince me otherwise.

deist
Sep 15, 2007, 05:33 AM
What's wrong with enjoying the argument? If I find it pleasing to disrupt someones false (in my opinion) statement, am I not then allowed to express myself just because I am enjoying it?

I consider it sport to argue with anyone - its a competition isn't it?

Please dont get upset with me on this, I don't mind if the other side think it's sport to attempt to destroy my arguments!

I understand that this is peoples religion and they can take it very seriously, but I take the opposite view (which doesn't neccesitate as much seriousness) until someone can convince me otherwise.Point taken.