Jiser
Jun 14, 2007, 02:49 AM
I’m going to create one post from several of yours. But just from reading everything it seems like your doing much better today then you were just this past Saturday. So congratulate yourself, give yourself some credit, and by that I mean really stop and think about the fact that you’ve made strides in the last 2 days.
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Originally Posted by zooropa1985
You know what day today was, well my so called mate decided to tell me that my ex had texted him and that he was surprised that she hadn't texted me. This got me a little angry, why would she text him and not me, then he told me he was joking and that this was his way off getting his own back because he was sick of me talking about it.
You see the only real place I can talk about this to peeps that care or want to hear is here, I don't have those types of mates, my ex does and that is probably helping her but I feel like I'm going through this by myself.
You know what’s interesting about guys breaking up is that we have nobody to turn to. If a woman gets dumped she can turn to her family, her friends, even strangers will stop and help a woman crying or looking upset. But a guy gets dumped and he’s got no outreach. As men and I hate to admit this but I’m guilty of this myself, we tease other guys for being upset or acting hurt over being dumped by a woman. Yet every guys felt that sting, and that loss of being dumped. Suicides are much higher for men that are going through a divorce then women, and I think this is one reason why. Men are taught or don’t know how to communicate that their hurting on the inside, and worse yet, if they can communicate it other guys generally don’t want to hear it. Along those same lines some guys don’t mind helping out there other guy friends in need but they can’t communicate back how to help. Women in that regard are much better then men, they can communicate their emotions and other women understand exactly what they mean.
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Originally Posted by zooropa1985
A lot better, the day has come and gone.
I realised as soon as midnight came and I heard no word that it was trully over, I have accepted that now and I'm going to start moving on.
Progress. That was the next step you needed to take, and you took it. So once again, I say congratulate yourself and give yourself some credit.
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Originally Posted by zooropa1985
It hurts to think that she couldn't even text but then I think why would I want to be with someone who is so cold and distant.
EXACTLY!! Why would someone as giving, caring, open, compassionate, friendly, loving, and honest like YOU want to be with that piece of garbage. Leave the sewer rats in the sewer.
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Originally Posted by zooropa1985
She's the one that said I love you, she's the one that wanted to be with me forever, she's the one that said she wouls never leave.
But
She's the one that said she didn't love me, she's the one that said she doesn't want to be with me, she's the one that left.
So from that we can derive that she’d lied. I think we both know you can do better then a lying sewer rat.
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Originally Posted by zooropa1985
Like I keep saying how can someone change to become the one person you dread seeing and talking to because it causes nothing but pain and misery.
When this is all said in done, like in 6 months from now, as I said I hope that you will re-read these posts. I think you will get a true life lesson then, that you can’t really get right now. The reason I say that is because she did not change. She was always like that. You were blinded by love. You made excuses for her behavior instead of accepting it for what it was. Geoff pointed this out, and he was dead on. She was always like this, and quite honestly, most of us can see it plain as day. Now we are speaking from experience which you did not have, and we are speaking without the emotional attachment which you did have.
But the thing is women and I tell you this as an someone from a different country and culture that women the world over have behavior patterns that are similar. If you take out the emotions and just look at the traits as human beings their actions are very similar. In this case she saw that you were so into her she didn’t have to do much and used your own emotions against you. And women are a 1000 times better at understanding, observing, and manipulating emotions then men. Your ex did what women all over the planet do. She used your emotions for her own gain.
Now I say that not to discourage you from dating them or being bitter about it. I say that so that you can use this as a lesson in what to look for next time and not to dive so far in that you give her everything and she gives you nothing in return. That’s lesson number one.
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Originally Posted by zooropa1985
This was my first relationship and I gave it all, I tried to be the perfect boyfriend and it got me no where, in fact she treats me worse that someone she hates, why, why why??
Good you’re ready for lesson number two. In a relationship, you NEVER give it your all. You give no more then half. Remember when I said women understand emotions better then us. Well she sees someone who gives it his all as weak. Women want strong men, not weak babies. And women judge strength one way by emotional strength. When women see you give everything they see that as someone who is not in control and doesn’t care enough about himself to protect him from emotional pain….. even if it’s from them.
But if you give her everything then what’s left to give? She treats you worse then someone she hates because even those she hates give her nothing, which in a woman’s mind is creates a challenge or drama, both of which women love.
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Originally Posted by zooropa1985
Nice guys finish last my friend, I'm never going to give that much of my heart again, its not worth it.
Nice guys to finish last, Good guys finish first. Nice guys give everything and get nothing back. Good guys give just as much as they get. If she starts pulling back then nice guys go in further while good guys pull back further. If she starts using you nice guys let it happen while good guy put there foot down. You don’t want to become a angry, abusive prick, you just want to become a man with a backbone.
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Originally Posted by zooropa1985
What I mean is that when the next girl comes along I'm not going to jump in head first, I've picked up a little experience and I'm going to use it.
YES! That is exactly what you need to do. You learn a lesson and it makes the pain all worth it. You can not grow emotionally in life without pain, but if you don’t learn anything from it, then it was all a useless waste. If you in pain but learning it will all be worth it in the end.
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Originally Posted by zooropa1985
Im going to try and learn from my mistakes.
That’s all anybody can do. If you take away just one thing your better off then she is.
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Originally Posted by zooropa1985
I have to say that Chuff, you and the others have really helped me get my head sorted this far,
Thank you.
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Originally Posted by zooropa1985
You know here's the funny thing and I mite sound awful saying this.
When we first met I didn't think she was that pretty, but I got talking to her and loved her personalilty, then after a while looks were never a part of it although I did start to find her very attractive.
Now I look at pics and realise that yes she was and is the most beautiful girl in the world, I look at other girls and some are pretty but I can't help but think that my ex was prettier.
I think this is built into us and we have to try and reprogram our brains, some other dude is going to get that pretty girl of mine and I have to accept it.
I also can't help thinking that no one will else will make me as happy as her.
And lesson number three and your final lesson for the day. I can tell you exactly what happened over the last year. Remember I said women, no matter the country or culture follow patterns while this one is NO different. Here’s what happened. She liked you but you didn’t give her much attention but you didn’t blow her off entirely either. So in her mind you became a challenge.
At some point you let your guard down and bam she hits you the best way a woman knows how. With emotions. She hits you with these thoughts of love and care. Every story she told you was emotionally based, not based in reality or intellect but emotion. She gets you to start thinking emotionally instead of logically and you start reacting to everything emotionally as well. You begin to fall into her trap and at some point you give so much of yourself that she gets bored because the challenge is gone. At you first you seemed distant and mysterious by the end you couldn’t give enough of yourself to her. For her, the game is over.
Lesson learned, women like challenge, once it’s gone so are you.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zooropa1985
You know what day today was, well my so called mate decided to tell me that my ex had texted him and that he was surprised that she hadn't texted me. This got me a little angry, why would she text him and not me, then he told me he was joking and that this was his way off getting his own back because he was sick of me talking about it.
You see the only real place I can talk about this to peeps that care or want to hear is here, I don't have those types of mates, my ex does and that is probably helping her but I feel like I'm going through this by myself.
You know what’s interesting about guys breaking up is that we have nobody to turn to. If a woman gets dumped she can turn to her family, her friends, even strangers will stop and help a woman crying or looking upset. But a guy gets dumped and he’s got no outreach. As men and I hate to admit this but I’m guilty of this myself, we tease other guys for being upset or acting hurt over being dumped by a woman. Yet every guys felt that sting, and that loss of being dumped. Suicides are much higher for men that are going through a divorce then women, and I think this is one reason why. Men are taught or don’t know how to communicate that their hurting on the inside, and worse yet, if they can communicate it other guys generally don’t want to hear it. Along those same lines some guys don’t mind helping out there other guy friends in need but they can’t communicate back how to help. Women in that regard are much better then men, they can communicate their emotions and other women understand exactly what they mean.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zooropa1985
A lot better, the day has come and gone.
I realised as soon as midnight came and I heard no word that it was trully over, I have accepted that now and I'm going to start moving on.
Progress. That was the next step you needed to take, and you took it. So once again, I say congratulate yourself and give yourself some credit.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zooropa1985
It hurts to think that she couldn't even text but then I think why would I want to be with someone who is so cold and distant.
EXACTLY!! Why would someone as giving, caring, open, compassionate, friendly, loving, and honest like YOU want to be with that piece of garbage. Leave the sewer rats in the sewer.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zooropa1985
She's the one that said I love you, she's the one that wanted to be with me forever, she's the one that said she wouls never leave.
But
She's the one that said she didn't love me, she's the one that said she doesn't want to be with me, she's the one that left.
So from that we can derive that she’d lied. I think we both know you can do better then a lying sewer rat.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zooropa1985
Like I keep saying how can someone change to become the one person you dread seeing and talking to because it causes nothing but pain and misery.
When this is all said in done, like in 6 months from now, as I said I hope that you will re-read these posts. I think you will get a true life lesson then, that you can’t really get right now. The reason I say that is because she did not change. She was always like that. You were blinded by love. You made excuses for her behavior instead of accepting it for what it was. Geoff pointed this out, and he was dead on. She was always like this, and quite honestly, most of us can see it plain as day. Now we are speaking from experience which you did not have, and we are speaking without the emotional attachment which you did have.
But the thing is women and I tell you this as an someone from a different country and culture that women the world over have behavior patterns that are similar. If you take out the emotions and just look at the traits as human beings their actions are very similar. In this case she saw that you were so into her she didn’t have to do much and used your own emotions against you. And women are a 1000 times better at understanding, observing, and manipulating emotions then men. Your ex did what women all over the planet do. She used your emotions for her own gain.
Now I say that not to discourage you from dating them or being bitter about it. I say that so that you can use this as a lesson in what to look for next time and not to dive so far in that you give her everything and she gives you nothing in return. That’s lesson number one.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zooropa1985
This was my first relationship and I gave it all, I tried to be the perfect boyfriend and it got me no where, in fact she treats me worse that someone she hates, why, why why??
Good you’re ready for lesson number two. In a relationship, you NEVER give it your all. You give no more then half. Remember when I said women understand emotions better then us. Well she sees someone who gives it his all as weak. Women want strong men, not weak babies. And women judge strength one way by emotional strength. When women see you give everything they see that as someone who is not in control and doesn’t care enough about himself to protect him from emotional pain….. even if it’s from them.
But if you give her everything then what’s left to give? She treats you worse then someone she hates because even those she hates give her nothing, which in a woman’s mind is creates a challenge or drama, both of which women love.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zooropa1985
Nice guys finish last my friend, I'm never going to give that much of my heart again, its not worth it.
Nice guys to finish last, Good guys finish first. Nice guys give everything and get nothing back. Good guys give just as much as they get. If she starts pulling back then nice guys go in further while good guys pull back further. If she starts using you nice guys let it happen while good guy put there foot down. You don’t want to become a angry, abusive prick, you just want to become a man with a backbone.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zooropa1985
What I mean is that when the next girl comes along I'm not going to jump in head first, I've picked up a little experience and I'm going to use it.
YES! That is exactly what you need to do. You learn a lesson and it makes the pain all worth it. You can not grow emotionally in life without pain, but if you don’t learn anything from it, then it was all a useless waste. If you in pain but learning it will all be worth it in the end.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zooropa1985
Im going to try and learn from my mistakes.
That’s all anybody can do. If you take away just one thing your better off then she is.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zooropa1985
I have to say that Chuff, you and the others have really helped me get my head sorted this far,
Thank you.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zooropa1985
You know here's the funny thing and I mite sound awful saying this.
When we first met I didn't think she was that pretty, but I got talking to her and loved her personalilty, then after a while looks were never a part of it although I did start to find her very attractive.
Now I look at pics and realise that yes she was and is the most beautiful girl in the world, I look at other girls and some are pretty but I can't help but think that my ex was prettier.
I think this is built into us and we have to try and reprogram our brains, some other dude is going to get that pretty girl of mine and I have to accept it.
I also can't help thinking that no one will else will make me as happy as her.
And lesson number three and your final lesson for the day. I can tell you exactly what happened over the last year. Remember I said women, no matter the country or culture follow patterns while this one is NO different. Here’s what happened. She liked you but you didn’t give her much attention but you didn’t blow her off entirely either. So in her mind you became a challenge.
At some point you let your guard down and bam she hits you the best way a woman knows how. With emotions. She hits you with these thoughts of love and care. Every story she told you was emotionally based, not based in reality or intellect but emotion. She gets you to start thinking emotionally instead of logically and you start reacting to everything emotionally as well. You begin to fall into her trap and at some point you give so much of yourself that she gets bored because the challenge is gone. At you first you seemed distant and mysterious by the end you couldn’t give enough of yourself to her. For her, the game is over.
Lesson learned, women like challenge, once it’s gone so are you.