A message specifically for eawoodall but I'd love to hear from anyone else too :)

Please could you tell me about you experiences of the martial art of Kuta?
I have read in other posts that you have practiced it for years, how did you come across it?

Cheers.
CoopcUK

When I was extremely young or perhaps before/at birth, a person who I knew decided that I needed to learn martial arts. They were undefeated fighting champion of their branch of military service. They had to retire from that because no one else would fight them! They say they were so fast people would not even see them punch, just wake up afterward, and certainly I also have had people tell me that to me, when they woke up (including more than one professional boxer stupid enough to attack me). So at an early age I was learning, and helping. Before I reached double digits in age I was engaged in combat against several armed attackers on a few occasions, usually no more than ten at once (all but one weighed at least twice my weight, and some had deadly weapons), or 7 at once (atleast 4 had guns, when they started the fight).

I continued to do my best not to use my skills, but alas and alack sometimes people can be too unreasonable. My teacher often said, "the proof is in the fighting". When a person gets accused of threatening someone, that the law calls assault, but when a person who has been registered as a deadly weapon gets accused of threatening someone that is assault with a deadly weapon, so not being registered has advantages.

Over a half dozen years later: I meet Dok Lee through 2 of his students.
I allowed his students to THINK they were teaching me, Dok Lee THINKING I had only been exposed to hikuta/kuta for a week came to my public school and told them they were not allowed to teach anyone. Then he made the mistake of challenging me (to see what I had learned). After him being in the military, and being the bodyguard to the person who had ruled china. I beat him in personal unarmed combat. He realized he was not as fast or as good at hikuta/kuta as I. Dok Lee said that if I did not accept the title of DOK (Defender Of Kings - the highest rank in hikuta/kuta) then he would bestoy that title upon no one, for no one else deserved it. Dok Lee never bestoyed that rank upon anyone else. Others have said they have a right to do so, and have given such rank to people, but I and I alone have the title DOK from DOK LEE. I waited until after Dok Lee died to use the title Dok out of respect.

I continued to use my skills as they were needed. As a police official noted while standing beside me(for ten minutes), there were 33 assaults against me.
So I estimate 10k hand to hand experiences from those years. Experience is a good teacher.

I served in the military.

A few years later: I know a man, who tried to commit robbery of me, a half dozen times, but after me disarming him, and warning him each time he tried to rob me, he continued, and when he eventually tried with a bowie knife and a gun (instead of just a bigger knife each time), he stabbed himself in the leg, and lost his leg, and since then has lost his other one to infection, and still he tries to kill me, or send his relatives/friends to do it. I continue to extend mercy, and allow him to live, but he hasn't learned. A word to the wise is sufficient. If he had learned not to try to rob me the first time I disarmed him, and warned him to 'not do that again' he wouldn't be disabled now, or even if he had learned any of the four other times I did so over the next few months (as he brought bigger and bigger knives)! He would still be in the united states army rangers, but he was stupid. He sent his dad with a knife and gun to bother me. It was funny. I tapped his dad between the eyes so his eyes teared up (could't see for a little while), as I disarmed him. Walked him out to beside his car and told him to stay there. He got up after I left and walked into traffic (his dad wasn't hurt bad). First the son lied about me to the police, saying I beat him up without a reason, that I had beaten him up several times (not mentioning the knife in his hand each time or the fact he demanded money each time because he was trying to rob me each time),
So I had to disarm a few more police, and explain to them what had really happened. Secondly the son actually took his lawyer and went to a judge, and admitted, in writing, he (the son) tried to rob me all those times, asking the judge to punish me for defending myself, the judge said, "do you make these statements of your own free will?" 'yes', he said. "five years", said the judge. The son said "yes!, you are giving him five years in prison!", "no" said the judge, "i am giving you five years in prison, if you want to goto trial you will get 6 counts and have a minimum of 30 years, take it or leave it". So he went to prison for five years.

I have often said, and I mean it, "if you do not respect your elders you'd better respect your betters"! In chinese culture it is not a problem to get respect for elders, because your elders will beat you up, if you don't show respect. In america however many fail to understand that people get better at martial arts as they get older.

I have done some 'work' helping someone (who shall remain nameless).

Other people stupidly thought they would rob me, I usually inform them that they would prefer to live, rather than try that, and most people get the message that they can go on with their lives or they can go to prison.
Everyone who has been stupid enough to try to rob me, has been convicted of doing so, eventually. I at least once was walking into a bank, just as the robbers came out. They decided they wanted to turn themselves in, because the guns they had were not enough. They asked for 5 years in prison each so they could learn a trade, because I suggested it to them, and the judge gave them what they wanted.

My abilities aren't limited to combat training.

Everyone has different levels of intelligence, experience, personality, hormones, reactions to stress, et cetera.

Certainly some skills can be learned, like combat training, but some abilities cannot. So certainly I hope my short history of my life gives you some background about my training in martial arts. All martial arts have their place. The level of force and amount of damage you require to use should be available with a well rounded martial arts background. You do not want to use more force than you need for any situation. You do not want to use more force than you need for any situation. (Dok Lee sold over 600k video/books in the USA about hikuta/kuta in the early-mid 90s)


The first thing in hikuta is to relax, if you can pull your hand off a hot stove you can do hikuta. The proper tension allows the muscles to hold themselves as the application of speed/acceleration is generated. If the muscles are not at the correct tension then the proper condition cannot occur. Some martial arts are 'hard' style or 'soft' style or mixture "hard/soft". Most hard styles use more tension in the muscles and strength to deliver blows either all during the movement or just at the moment of striking. Most soft styles use momentum and leverage with medium to very little muscle tension. Hikuta uses the natural amount of muscle tension that you experience when you pull your hand off a hot stove. The maximum movement you can generate to get to safety (away from the hot stove). Secondly you do not want to look like a victim, you want people to leave you alone, because they would rather look for an easy mark. I have in the past walked around town wearing two fake casts (one on each arm) to make people think I had two broken arms, so some stupid person would try to rob me, and it has always worked, there is always a dumb enough thief to try to rob someone they think cannot fight back! All crooks are stupid anyway, why else would they be braking the law!
But that is just me, of course I was wearing a tshirt with batman on it.

Very impressive!

I am interested in developing the skills that you have clearly mastered, how would you suggest I go about this? Do you teach these skills at all?

To help you answer here is a little of my background...
I (obviously) have an interest in the martial arts and have trained in Aikido and JiuJitsu for a few years. As many martial artists before me I started to question the effectiveness of the training that I was receiving... and found that although the basis of these Eastern arts was sound, there were gaps in my knowledge (or perhaps my instructors). I wanted something to complete the picture.

I began looking for something that was more applicable to the altercations I had experienced over the years. It was during this search (which has lasted several years) that I came across Mr Savage on the internet and hence Hikuta.

I started training and have certainly become faster at applying the kuta strike, it seems to be a very simple but effective art, exactly what I am looking for. So, I decided to investigate the art further, which is when I came across yourself.

Here are several web sites that may offer further info and products.
The first web site is some of the products Dok Lee made.
The second is by a student of Dok Lee.
The third is by a student of the student (of Dok Lee) just mentioned, (whose material you have studied).
I do not know the origin of the person responsible for the fourth web site.

http://www.childrens-safety.com/aboutdok1.htm

http://www.cutting-edge-combat.com/subpage/instructor.html

http://www.hikuta.net/hikuta/hikuta_history.cfm

http://www.crossover-kuta.com/founder.html

I have on occasion taken a student or two, but no one you would know.

The first web sites videos are nice (I think late 90s), I have not gotten any of the videos/material from the other webs sites to review.
Sometimes a video or video and book (early 90s) by Dok Lee will auction on eBay or other auction sites. Just this month the book/video combo went for about 60, and the video by itself about 25.

I will try to continue to provide you with info, as you ask more, continue to show interest. E a woodall

I just missed out on the DOK Lee Book/Video combo on eBay and the seller of the video wouldn't ship outside the US, so no luck there!

So, are there any exercises you practice (or have practiced in the past) to increase the speed of the Kuta Hand strikes?

yes, certainly.

grabbing the air is a common one. Some people prefer a wall or table, phone book, etc. to start, and then become more comfortable with just air (to grab).
when you do a hikuta palm ,from the hands above head position, grabbing the air is the start of the technique. Of course you can use grabbing the air even when your hands are in your pockets. As a person who sometimes wears a badge and gun at work, I do have occasions to out draw people. I remember one guy, he went for his gun, and I heard the crack of his holster, and I pointed my gun at him, before he could finish clearing leather, both my hands had been in my slacks pockets at the time. His comment was, "i didn't even see you draw". I said, "why would you"? The faster you move, the faster you ,also over time, learn to see, just to deal with your own speed. I don't know if grabbing the air is included in the training material that you have.

sometimes when you practice slow, then practice at fast speed, it can help program you to have a faster response, because you are training the muscles to follow the same type of movement, and at different speeds you use different amounts of large versus small muscle definition to smoothly complete a technique. And also program some muscle memory.
gross motor versus fine motor skills.

when moving in hikuta you must remember to use you momentum.
hitting with only the weight of your hand, will not do as much as hitting with your entire body weight behind your hand. In kendo they jump off the ground at the moment of striking to ensure they have their entire body weight into each hit. I have studied other martial arts as well as hikuta.

if bob has v=1 and mass 2 that he uses when hitting.
bob hits with energy amount 1 (F=ma. E=m*(c^2)=(m*(v^2))/2. p=mv.)

if roy has v=1 and mass 4
then roy hits with energy amount 2
twice as much mass in strike, twice the energy.

if mike has v=2 and mass 2
then mike hits with energy amount 4.
twice as much velocity, four times the energy.

if chuck has v=2 and mass 4
them chuck hits with energy amount 8.
twice as fast and twice as much mass equals eight times energy.

if john has v=3 and mass 2
then john hits with energy 9.
three times as fast equals nine times the energy.

so both mass and velocity (speed in a direction) are of great concern when the amount of energy matters. Consider the amount of mass of the hand, to how much mass the entire body has. And consider that a very fast small man can deliver more energy than a medium sized fast man.

Thanks for posting the story about Dok Lee visiting your school and the fight he had with you.

I'm curious, back when you met Dok Lee, what did you tell him your name was?

Thanks.

I believe I told him my real name. (then again? Did I? Good question. Maybe since I was young and didn't know why he was asking I lied at first about my name, but I am sure he eventually should have learned it, since the 'men in black' seemed to know Dok Lee)

And shortly thereafter some armed men in black suits appeared at the door to my house in an unmarked car, and I had to prove I knew hikuta to them to convince them to let me do what I wanted, instead of what they wanted.
Sometimes certain groups of people think they have a right to tell you what to do with you life / abilities, but it is much better when you can explain to them after taking away guns, it is they who must obey you. When you are in control, whether others know it or not, they do submit to your will. Although I had to tangle with them again before they feared me.

Since I was never officially a student of Dok Lee, and never received paperwork that was posted (publicly) with the government, I am not legally registered as a deadly weapon, but that does not mean through my 'work' for various governmental bodies, companies,etc or my 'work' against various nasty organizations hasn't caused many to know me on sight, since many have mistakenly thought I could be eliminated or recruited. My life is my own,and many know not to mess with what works. I do favors for people who need help, and I can be 'helpful' sometimes. I prefer privacy, but often privacy is a false image in today's modern lifestyle.

I try to not use aliases but sometimes people make up their own aliases for someone they cannot readily identify, and I am well known in some areas of influence. I also have privacy agreements that prevent much of my work from being revealed, because life is not always about what you think happened or who you were told did something. Working behind the screens is much easier that being in the spotlight. Choosing the music they dance to, is less hassle than dancing to the tune. Telling the story is the interesting part, not the fame of the crowd.

The rumors I have heard is that Dok Lee had four publicly acknowledged students who reached the highest rank he was willing to teach. The second web site was one of those four students (and that student also assisted Dok Lee in teaching some, per that web site, but he only started hikuta in the early 90s after getting the Dok Lee video and book).

The fight with Dok Lee wasn't all interesting or anything, a typical fight for me, I started by 1.pretending to fight (posed my hands in clenched fists, moved my arms about 6 inches forward and stopped moving them as soon as he started to respond to my "attack") so I could judge the ability of my enemy, and I could tell Dok Lee was holding back, 2.so I told him to go all out, then he went very very fast, and I could see he wasn't kidding anymore, he was somewhere near the speed of my original teacher. 3. I told him the kid gloves are off, and I had been holding back to see his abilities, and he should do everything to defend himself. He attacked, before he could decock his arm I had him with three hits. Describing it again, I waited for him to try to hit me, and smoked him with three before he could get one off. That was when he smiled.. . my privacy was protected, and so few knew I ever even meet Dok Lee, much less became the only person he ever made a D.O.K. (defender of kings). About a week before on the tonight show with j. carson was a person in a wheelchair, who broke a brick, and told carson it was hikuta, that even people in wheelchairs can do it. mr. carson asked is there a lowkuta? Hikuta is highlights of kuta, not all of kuta.

I was given the following information from someone who knew Dok Lee.

Dok Lee, when asked, (a couple of years before he passed on) had no idea who Earnest Abraham Woodall was.

I take it you had pulled the 3 strikes... if he smiled after you landed them?

By the way thanks for the grabbing the air training tip. I find that after using a startle reflex and throwing my whole weight into a strike, it can be difficult to quickly compose myself for a follow up strike, is this just a case of practice makes perfect or is there a training exercise that will help with this?

No I didn't pull the punches (neither did he), after he bounced off the lockers, he smiled.

Training exercise helps a lot to compose yourself as you follow up. The changing strong side/weak side facing opponent in kenpo karate, or the stepping forward while moving in cat stance 60/40 in TKD.

Well it was around 25 years after the incident where I beat him that Dok Lee was asked if he knew me, and Dok Lee was going to keep my identity secret per the privacy act. And since my death has been rumored so many times Dok Lee probably thought I was dead.
Or perhaps he forgot my name. Or perhaps I did make the mistake of telling him an alias. Oh well. Whatever. Of course not anyone wants to admit being beaten up, much less beaten easily, especially someone they think is new to a martial art. Plus I didn't train with Dok Lee I trained with someone else who learned hikuta years before he did. I only saw Dok Lee that once for a few minutes

I'll look into these exercises, thanks.

There is a lot of mystery surrounding the history of Kuta:
Ancient Egyptian royal bodyguards, Masonic orders, Knights of the Templar and secret British commandos (being British that last one is my personal favourite ;) ).

Did your teacher have his/her own ideas about it, or have you perhaps discovered anything about its history over the years?

I don't see any mystery in it.
History is just what happened.

Sometimes life is stranger than fiction.
Although I have never heard anything about the templar knights or masonic order having anything to do with kuta. It was passed from egyptian bodyguards to royal asian emporer bodyguards, and kept secret for over a thousand years. Between the various wars in asia eventually became not as much a secret. Because the shela ("sie-la" a region of korea) warriors used it in a battle (similar to the alamo in number of enemy killed per man died). And books were written by duk lee detailing the korean (not, it was in egypt first) royal bodyguard art, among other martial arts known to koreans. He wrote this five volume set in the chinese language, circa 1600? Not sure.
So the chinese learned, and the japanese fought with china a few times, so eventually you get watered down, some techniques from kuta in different styles. Even england and other nations eventually attained china, and learned the techniques.

I don't want to go in a diatribe. (use dictionary.com if you need it)

LOL I see...
This might give you a laugh then: http://p098.ezboard.com/fhikutacombatsystemsfrm1.showMessage?topicID=165.t opic

Back on the topic of training:
None of the Hikuta training information I have seen (so far) uses any plyometric or resistance training for increasing striking speed/power... if you were teaching someone Hikuta would you suggest they included some weighted or plyometric exercises into their training?

Once again:
I have never heard anything about the templar knights or masonic order having anything to do with kuta.
It was passed from egyptian bodyguards to korean royal asian bodyguards.
Kept secret for over a thousand years.
Duk lee wrote about it in chinese in five book set, between 1550-1665?
So the chinese learned, and the japanese learned, eventually you get watered down, some techniques from kuta in different styles. Even england and other nations conquered china (1800-1850?), and learned the techniques.
Kuk sool won(korean martial arts), chin na or cam na(chinese martial art),etc.

Actually the web site that you have trained under uses weights/etc.
Perhaps it is in another product you have not yet purchased.

I start students without weights. The use of weights to teach momentum, and how inportant momentum is to speed is useful. As well as gaining muscle.

If you know the double kick from TKD (kick with one foot to the front as you become airborne {flying forward}, then kick with the back foot {shifting you weight} to the front {as you continue through the air}, the former back foot becomes the front foot). Be careful when training with weights do not overdo!
You do a few (five or so) double kicks, then you add a five pound weight to both ankles {you can take a nap at this point if you want} then do five more, then move both weights to the first kicking leg ankle {you can take a nap at this point if you want}. Then do five more, you will see how important momentum is to kicking, if not remove the weights and kick, notice the first leg is slower but builds the speed greatly of the second leg after the heavy weight being only on the first ankle, and also doing 'crane stretches wings' (1 of the 18 classic kung fu exercises) can also help teach moving with momentum (in 'crane stretches wings' you do not move a distance from where you start, in double kick or advancing or retreating in cat stance or kempo you do move, gaining or losing ground, i.e. getting closer or farther away from target).

Mr. Woodall,

I am somewhat confused by your story. Did you ever receive training from DOK Lee? Was Kuta DOK Lee's only art? When you fought DOK Lee, where was it, what was the date, and what was he wearing? What technique did DOK Lee use to counter your fake attack?

Also, I am confused regarding your art. What art did you use to defeat DOK Lee? Whether it was Kuta or some other art, who taught you and where?

Oldcoach

No hikuta was not Dok Lee's only art. Golden gloves at boxing I am told, plus other arts are certainly possible, but I only meet Dok Lee for a few minutes.
I did not train under Dok Lee. Dok Lee just recognized that I knew my kuta.
Mid 70s. The public school I attended. Dok Lee used boxing to hit me the first series of blows. I used kuta to defeat Dok Lee. My teacher taught me from near birth onward.

Is your teacher still teaching, or has he passed away?

My teacher's teacher has passed away. Come to think I did train for a short time on a few occasions with my teacher's teacher. My teacher seldom trained anyone. So my teacher's status is unimportant.

You have said that your nameless teacher learned Kuta before Dok Lee. You have said that your nameless teacher's teacher has passed away. You have said that your nameless teacher's rank/credentials are unimportant since he no longer teaches. You have said that you began training soon after birth. None of what you have said has any verifiable detail.

Let me come straight to the point. I believe you are being very cryptic because you either have something to hide or need to feel somehow superior. Any true martial artist would willingly provide an instructor lineage with names, locations, and dates when asked, if there was one. This is the one sure way to check authenticity. I have no doubt that you are a martial artist that has read much on several arts (both non-fiction and fiction), but what have you really experienced? That is the question.

I am simply looking out for the many folks on askme. If you are truly what you say, I welcome you. If you are not, just tell it like it is. You obviously have much to offer. It is un-necessary to hide anything here.

I have enough connections in the martial arts world to check credentials. Just email them to me if you want them kept "secret". I'll authenticate them and simply report back to the askme forum--passed or failed.

Let me help you raise the misty curtain of mystery that you have created and start anew in open honesty.

Sincerely,
Oldcoach

Nothing you ever do could grade me.
You cannot choose to change what I am worth.

You can only give your opinion about what you choose to believe.

No I didn't say my teacher's credentials were unimportant. I said my teacher was the undefeated champion of the branch of military they were in for years. They had to retire because no one else would fight them! My teacher hardly was interested enough to teach me, and I have never met anyone else he taught the entire system. I have trained with a few members of the military he was teaching at the time, but none for long.

I don't need to feel superior. I AM superior (okay I presume, maybe wrongly).
Feelings have nothing to do with it! You ask questions, I answer them, then you don't like the reality that you then see, sorry you are not yet mature enough to understand that people are all different, some are faster, some are slower, some are shorter, some are taller, so it happens some people may be faster than you, or slower maybe, but you need to deal with that reality. What you can prove is not what actually occurs. Electricity was not well defined prior to the mid 1800s, but lightning still existed! Lightning could still start forest fires. You understanding or being willing to accept something does not effect it. It is not what you think about reality, it is what reality thinks about you.

Martial artists in styles that brag about their lineage, don't have actual combat skills to talk about. "proof is in the fighting" not in who taught you what. Many people are good teachers but have bad form themselves, "do what they say and not what they do". A great fighter may not even be able to teach at all. So it is not how great the teacher is at fighting, it is what can you learn from them. What can YOU do because you listened to them? That is what matters, not their combat record, but what you do with what they try to teach.

Once again I have been in over 10,000 attacks against my person.
(guns, knives, bazookas, grenades, etc.) often I was unarmed.
Experience seems to show I am still here, some of them are not (prison,etc).

I have never read any fiction about martial arts. Is there such a thing as martial arts fiction? I have never seen it at the library, maybe I wasn't paying enough attention. There is a thing called the privacy act, and I always reserve the right to only tell you as much as I want, askmehelpdesk.com is a voluntary information choice.

Those who know me, say I am for real (atleast they have never told me to my face that I am a super hero or just a figment of their imagination, but I would probably tell them my quote about reality, if they told me I wasn't real, and then I would cry. Ha ha. That would be a sad fate to be a pipe dream of someone, to not exist at all, oh well, glad I am here, I think I am here).

You wouldn't know my credentials. Parts of my life are required to be 'quiet'. Certain events are still considered "not public info". I know a lot people don't trust anyone they cannot verify, they can think what they want, I am not more and also would be no less real than I would be after you tried to see if I exist, and then people would be questioning if you exist or did I make up you as an alias, to make it seem like I was verified? And it just forms a ladder into infinity. I am being honest, but many students can learn more from the mystery of how I explain things, better than if I plainly spoke.

I was on askme.com July 2000 - 09/2001 you can verify that I had the number one rating in several catorgories a few of the months, at times. Many of the categories were martial arts related, as well as others. I have always believed the minimum complete info is the best. My teacher learned and used hikuta as fighting champion years before pappy joe, who is claimed to be Dok Lee's teacher, began learning hikuta. So my teacher even predates Dok Lee's teacher. I had been in hikuta a dozen to 'dozen and a half years', when Dok Lee and I 'met' . Dok Lee had a 'dozen and a half' to two dozen years in hikuta by then. So maybe it isn't such a shock he lost. At best he had 11 years on me, at worst he had 6, I would estimate from what some of Dok Lee's students have told me, and statements I have seen Dok Lee make on video. I do not know how much time Dok Lee had with his teacher. Indeed I do not consider time in training important, it is what you learn.

Sorry if you don't believe me, oh well. Pick. Have a nice life.

I am a saint, what the world calls a christian. I believe that God controls all.
So if I survive a fight I thank God, and if I don't survive I get to thank God in person. What happens is not my problem. If you want to call it a miracle, fine.

Under the privacy act I cannot tell you the name of my teacher, or their teacher since I do not have permission from them to do so. I do not have permission from the military to discuss the different branches they served in, any units or awards they received, duty assignments, etc.

I hope you have a good time making up all that stuff. It must be an interesting way to kill one's time.
I sure had a few good laughs reading your posts. There is no martial art fiction? Just look at what you write, it's martial arts fiction all over!

I always find surprise to be a good thing. It is nice in combat for people to be shocked at someone's abilities. It is nice when you can do something that stops them cold. They finally realize they have no chance. They get it. And certainly my stories (to quote robert d. in second hand lions) "whether true or not" certainly can be a source of comfort. And I enjoy comforting you. If you laugh at me, fine. Enjoy.
Yuk (to laugh as in "yuk yuk yuk" three stooges) it up.

Certainly a new student who has never been exposed to martial arts might think that 'people couldn't possibly brake bricks with their bare hands'.
And later on as they progress as a martial artist they often forget they ever thought that way, because they become able to do things that seem incredible. Someone can leap more than an inch off the ground? Or remember a certain kata or several moves (or positions)?
Oh no, how can this be? It must be fiction? Not!
That you did not see something does not mean it didn't happen.

Mr Woodall,

Could you tell us how long you train for each day? And perhaps what kind of training you do?

What training would you suggest I do as a Hikuta newbie?

Coop,

P.S. To everyone thinking about posting, let's not reduce this thread to a slagging match... please start your own thread if that's all you are interested in.

To restate. I do not consider time spent in training important. Modern muscle theory (see Static Contraction Training by John R. Little for example) states that as little as five seconds is enough training for a muscle. Sometimes they want as much as six 15-30 second exercises per workout or so.

To make true muscle memory can take sometimes thousands of practices, but some training is important. Studies show mental training is just as important.

Thinking about training as well as doing training improves you more quickly.
If you never focus on training mentally then how will you learn from training?
How will you learn to train better? Unless you study your own training?
Each person is different and should train differently. Train to your strengths, when you want to train to be great, train to your weaknesses when you want to improve overall. Fight using your strengths, (unless you want to appear to be truly great when you fight then you can instead) fight using your weaknesses, and switch to your strengths later to truly devastate or if you really are hopeless when fighting with your weakest techniques (against that person that day) change to your best to survive/win the fight.

I prefer people learn to do "crane stretches wings" for momentum, and a good all around defense/attack. "crane reaches toward sky" for back muscles, arm flexibility, and breath control. You may add (usually light) weights during "crane stretches wings" after you can do it as a stretching exercise for over 20 minutes. (csw,crs are part of the 18 classical kung fu exercises). Jumping jacks and pushups are nice for general warm up (to reduce chance of injury). To do weight machine exercises requires more assistance, and a careful plan to not harm yourself, but strength building exercises that are near ,but not at, you max weight you can handle ( do all the time) regularly (that YOU can do at fast speed down to a very very slow speed to vary pace and what muscles are doing more work) is important to develop the best effect. Good technique also keeps you from harming yourself.

I have done over 1600 pounds (1425 pounds plus two people hanging off machine) on leg press (using both legs), over 2k on jumping machine, about 600-800+ on running machines. About 450-600 on angled blocking machine (I cheated I just used my pinky). I have bench pressed over 450 using one hand and about 650 using both hands (guy tricked me and said he reduced weight to 160 pounds and I was working weight fast, first with one hand then other, only later did I learn he had increased weight to 465 or so, and then someone else did same thing with 650 pound weight on same machine a different day) got to love those other police cadets I went to the police academy with. I outran a group of police officers from one of my graduate criminal justice classes, up a set of stairs, I was running backward, they were not. I don't expect YOU to outrun cars. Or take out police dogs without a scratch on you
But some people have to do better, maybe I am one, who knows. Who cares.

Train well.

Be safe.

I was going to post a lengthy reply using your own words to expose you as a fraud, but I think you've just made that very clear to everyone with your last post.
My point is made...
Thank You,
And Good Bye

yes you doubt me. Good. Better to have surprise.
that you are so stupid as to think all are as weak as you. Or cannot do more than you, shows you are not much of a coach. Ever see one athlete do more in the weight room than another? Ever? Than why would you doubt me?

because you obviously have not seen it all.

and that you think I am a fraud means my work for this post is done.
because it is okay you dislike me, or doubt me. But that won't change whether my words are true or not. Have a nice day. Have a good life.
I hope this thread helps some people. Enjoy.

you should watch world strongest men show they lift more weight than I do.

to add a quick section on torque in hikuta from one of my other posts:
there also exist movement in a circular fashion we call angular velocity, angular velocity is measured in omega = 2*pi*radius. We use 2 pi because the distance around a circle of radius 1 or along the path of a sine wave of frequency 1 (which equals 1 cycle per second for one complete cycle)
is 2* pi. So the angular velocity is also important in how much energy is being directed into the target when striking. In physics the moment arm is the amount needed to cause an object to remain at statis or not moving. A one foot long pole made of metal idealized with a 20 pounds weight at the far end from the fulcrum (the point at which it is being held to exert the amount needed to hold it still in this case, also the pivot point or hinge by definition). Idealized so that there is not compression or contraction or expansion(strain or stress). Produces a 20 pound feet 'moment arm' that must be countered by 20 foot pounds of torque to remain motionless. If you move the point of 'balance' of the weight of 20 pounds to 1/2 foot from the end , then the 10 pound feet 'moment arm' must be countered by 10 foot pounds of torque.
so that like a ice skater when spinning as you bring your arms in, the same torque produces much more movement, because the 'moment arm' has gone down, and the less the 'moment arm' the greater effect for the same torque.
the current 'moment arm' divided by the previous 'moment arm' produces a multiplication of the effective movement caused by the application of the same old torque. If you both reduce your 'moment arm', and increase your torque, you can see that you are going to produce an multiplicative amount of effect when striking. Hikuta lowers your 'moment arm' and trains you to increase your torque, thereby delivering such a high rate of angular velocity, in addition to high velocity, and high acceleration that it produces such a serious effect to only be used in emergencies. Furthemore that the separation of the impulse function of an impact is countered by the application in opposion to the separation function, allowing critical time for the energy to be delivered to the target during the impact. Because the contact is maintained slightly longer much more kinetic energy is transferred to the target, causing much greater damage to the target, as well as less effect on the originator of the strike, since more of the energy leaves the person hitting the target, less recoil occurs, and so less damage can occur to the person doing hikuta because the energy of that strike is no longer retained by them. In many systems a wrong strike can cause the person doing the strike to break their own hand/foot/etc, but in hikuta since the energy is allowed more time to enter the target less energy is retained, and felt by the person doing the hikuta strike. If you have any further questions please ask.

I doubt the long story posted claiming a fight with Dok Lee. I trained with Dok Lee (I know his real name and anyone who trained with him knows it) in the 60's and can immeditaely tell if someone really trained with him. Some of the info is true, but obviously incomplete. The story of a pre-pubescent boy fighting 10 armed opponents successfully is beyond comment. Dok lee videos and books are nothing like the training I had. Can anyone define the black bag?

Now that I have read the rest of woodall's posts, it appears he has not landed yet. Here's a test to see if anyone really trained with "DOK LEE": what is his real name? What kind of car did he drive in the 60's? What does 'run the numbers" mean?, what does 'black bag' mean?, what does 'mind explosion" mean? who did DOK claim to be a body guard for (a lie, but he said it), what institution did DOk 'work' for? what was his 'job' there? Who is Calvin Kalasukis? What well-known martial artist did DOK refuse to train because he didn't want to train a black man to defeat him? What important body-mechanic is he leaving out on his videos and book? What is a 'heart plate"? Dok had a business- what was it? what did he use adhesive tape for ? he trained the wife of a famous martial artist- who was it? where and how did he meet Pappy Joe? what happened on the first meeting? WHAT IS THE FIRST THING "THEY" TAUGHT DOK? hint: it was NOT the punch. from what position was the punch first taught to DOK. who were THEY? kuta is NOT the name of this system- where did the term kuta come from? Why is it no one other than DOK or his 'students' have anything to say about this? what is the "continuous attack system'? What , physiologically, is the difference in a reflex action and a willed action? Answer a majority of these correctly, and I'll listen to you.

If you can do an internet search you can find his real name.
But if you ask you can be told by others that I know his real name.

Ask jack savage
[email protected] or

Ask al abidin
[email protected]

I have told both them Dok Lee's real name in emails, so they know I know it.
I am not going to say it here, I did not even prove to them I knew it for years, because the truth is what matters, not what you can prove, or prove to someone else.

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He came to meet me. I did not go to where Dok Lee lived. I never saw his car. It was not even in the 60s when I meet him. He came to my public school because people (a father and son) who had trained with him were saying they were Doks, and were trying to teach others, and he did not like it! Dok Lee corrected them for thinking they were Doks. Dok Lee corrected them for trying to teach anyone! I had learned Hikuta many years before, but I pretended to learn from them (mostly from the son, a fellow student at the school) for about a week. Dok Lee thought I had only been learning Hikuta for a week is why he was so impressed with me (he did not know I had been doing it for a long long time).

Once again I met Dok Lee once for about 5 minutes, and he wanted to make me, and only me a DOK, because he thought I had just started training in Hikuta (about a week), and was a natural or something (he did not realize I had been doing Hikuta for over a dozen years at least at that point)!

The person I learned from and his master did not use the terms you describe, in my presence, but since they trained many years before pappy joe learned hikuta it does not surprise me. I use different terms to describe things than my teacher (but I have seen Dok Lee use exactly the same terms for the same actions in his videos as my teacher used). I just do not want to limit myself to what other people call something. I find a more descriptive term is more useful to allow understanding. I never trained with Dok Lee I just defeated him in combat. So I do not know what training he gave you, or anyone else. I have offered to go and see /check out the training that some instructors in hikuta are giving, to verify if it is complete. None have wanted to spend the time/effort to have me came to where they are/ or send info about what they teach, so that I can say if they know as much about hikuta as I do. So I don't know if even Dok Lee taught as much about Hikuta as he knew to them, or if they know as much as I do. I would not mind trying to help them, but so far no great interest has surfaced.

Special forces have guarded people of importance from around the world, especially those without a country anymore (effective exile), and I have seen on the military channel special forces guarding the former ruler of china (for example). Dok lee I have heard was in the military? Could he have been in a unit that guarded someone important? I would not know for sure, maybe you would?

My purpose is not to get you to listen to me. Silly.
I am telling you the truth. Take it or leave it.

I am not seeking students (who is worthy to teach or be taught?).
I am not seeking fame (I have that many times over).
I simply telling you what happened. That's life. Get over it.

I do not know what Dok Lee taught you, I just know he was defeated by me.

Of course I have defeated many multiple opponents, many many times. Multiple swat teams, and the ones who arrive before the swat teams, on multiple occasions. Hit squads of various bad organizations, et cetera.
To me it does not matter if they send one or how many? Because I either am going to defeat them or die. There is not other choice. I can be generous, and let them live once their "teeth are pulled", but I do not have to be.

And you do not understand that a fully trained person in hikuta can defeat 10 or more attackers (if you did not know hikuta, would you fear attack dogs? They only weigh the same amount as a small child), then why do not you understand children weighing the same have the same mass, and can do as much damage, because they get as much energy into each strike as an attack dog. Children at 8 or ten can weigh 60-100 pounds or more, you do not think 100 pound attack dogs can hurt if they attack (most people - not hikuta trained but normal unprepared public)?

It always amazes me, people who have been trained in a martial art, as you say you were with Dok Lee. Who doubt that others can apply/do that martial art well enough for it to work. Either hikuta works or it don't. If it works then you should believe what I am telling you; if you think hikuta is not effective for you, then YOU need to move on to another martial art, but stop doubting that others can use Hikuta well. Dok Lee said all martial arts have a place. And certainly you may need to do some more studying, if unhappy here go be happy somewhere else.

Dok Lee in his book/video (s) referred to some of the terms you used. Specifically the last two questions should be answerable by anyone who has watched/read all the available book/video (s) from Dok Lee. I do not jump through hoops. I would rather you think less of me, than perform for you. I just got the book/video (s) of Dok Lee to compared/see what he taught/knew over 18 years after I beat him.

I try to give everyone a chance and I am always ready to learn more.I am trying to learn more about kuta and will listen to anyone esp if they trained before Leroy. I would like to meet and/or talk to you - I feel that there was more although he said there was not.

Strange, he did not call himself Leroy. I am not sure if he showed me a department of motor vehicles identification card.
Maybe he preferred to use a more oriental sounding name or for security reasons he had to use an alias. Some experts on askme.com, and I presume if they are still on askmehelpdesk.com are in the military, and cannot reveal a complete real name, because of their security clearance, or activities.

Was it early,mid or late 60s you learned from Dok Lee (car of 60s reference)?
I have been told that at least four people trained as far as Dok Lee would teach (and also that he did not teach the survival training).
I did not train before Dok Lee started training. I merely learned from someone else who trained before pappy joe, and certainly their master learned years before that (I trained under them, some). It is probably just that I happened to beat Dok Lee that particular day, who is to say if on another day he would not have beaten me easily. Maybe. I trained (mostly in the 60s) for Hikuta.
From your post I note that Dok Lee felt that if he trained "someone" (a certain black gentleman well known for fighting) that, that "someone", could defeat him (Dok Lee). So Dok Lee felt that anyone fully trained in what he knew could theoretically defeat him (i.e. it would be possible). So me winning on any particular day seem less and less impressive, all the time.

It is always nice to meet like minded persons. And certainly they say similar stones can polish each other (take the rough edges off - help critique each others technique -learn from what others have done/continue to do). So yes should opportunity arise it would be nice to talk/meet, whatever with you.

My purpose is not to spread Hikuta. Dok Lee sold over 600k video/book combos from business sources raving about the great sales, so I think the cat is out of the bag. I just believe that people can be helped to understand.
And there are other products Dok Lee did, and others have sold items, etc.

I suppose my '8 seconds to martial arts', and "two minutes to explain it" can be / have been useful to some. If you consult other related sources you may find more info. Chin na (or cam na in cantonese) has at least two techniques in every major form of kung fu, royal korean bodyguard art (is included as a part of kuk sool won), etc, all include some techniques you may find familiar.

It is strange that Woodall chooses to refer, in detail, only to questions that are "found on the internet" and to continue to be very vague about questions that could expose him as a fraud. Vagueness is an old ploy used by liars. It allows them to adjust their lies to address real qualifying questions.

He continually uses insults and excuses to cover his lack of real answers. He says that he needs no fame, yet he continually boosts of his imagined prowess. When challenged, he simply says that one is stupid or reluctant to believe, because one doesn't have experience.

Send me an email EAWoodall. If you are who you claim, tell me how to meet you. You joke about your adversaries yet it is you who are the joke. Your ploy may work with children, but not with discerning adults.

For DRBill212- Please post a reply to my post to verify whether Woodall gave correct answers so that we all can put this to rest. You don't have to post the answers, just tell us if he answered correctly.

OldCoach

I tried to explain this to you before. How do you know I am not using an alias and am really dr. bill, so no matter what bill says to verify me, you will not accept it. Who you going to get to verify bill, et cetera ad infinitum (it just goes on and on forever - for those of you who do not understand that).

For that matter how do I know you are not bill?

As a coach, that you claim to have been/be you should know people are different, some are stronger, some are weaker. Do you admit that? Do you even know that? Because you feel insulted that I called your bluff. If you were a coach you should have had more than one student on a team you coached, and so you would see differences between them. So do not be surprised that people have differences. Please.

I showed your lack of experience as a coach, or lack of paying attention as a coach, if that you are not good at coaching is an insult, then perhaps you can work harder and do better at noticing the differences in your team's members individual strengths, and weaknesses. They are not all the same.

Prowess is not something imagined. You mean a gradiose prowess, a unbelievable series of acts that goes beyond the imagining. Sounds cool.
Sorry just my life is that way. If you know you cannot believe, okay. Do not.
See if I care. Life is life. Truth is truth.

I am sorry if I have made you feel defensive. I am sorry and apologize if I insulted any of you. I am just being me. I am sure you are a great coach, and a fine person. Sometimes I feel defensive when people do not show respect.

Please do not make bill jump through hoops to make you happy. Thank you.

This thread is funny and sad at the same time.

Just checked my mail after being away for a few weeks... great to see this debate is still going strong... and a new and like minded individual has joined us, Dr Bill... you say you have trained under DOK Lee. Perhaps you could tell us a little about your training?

I am currently trying to train from Jack Savage and Al Abidin's video products... any hints/tips/exercises would be greatly appreciated.

If you and Mr Woodall do meet up, perhaps I could also attend... I would love to participate in a Hikuta discussion with some people who know what they are talking about for a change!

I am a complete newcommer to Hikuta and am very curious to whether it works.

I have trained in Tai Chi for nearly ten years and find it a facinating discipline to train in, but it takes many years to perfect. Much longer than the ten years I have been training.
I accidentally came across Hikuta whilst browsing on the net and found it very exciting. The thought of being able to learn a great way of defence in just 3 months sounds great. However, after much searching on the net, and reading everything I possibly can about it, I do doubt it's power.

Can anybody please help me with the queiries I have and then I can decide whether to train in Hikuta.

1. In everything I have read, whilst performing the Hikuta fist strike, the other hand is brought to the chest. Why is this? It just makes no sense. I presume it must some how put more power into the strike, but how? I need to know the science. And surely, if you are attakced by a man holding a gun, your other hand would be better off blocking the armed arm or deflecting it instead of slapping yourself in the chest. Your strike may be powerful, but the gun is still pointing at you. It would not be too difficult for the attacker to squeeze off a couple of shots.

2. In a majority of martial arts, an open palm strike is much stronger than a closed fist (loose or not). Are Hikuta experts trying to tell me that the Hikuta fist produces a more powerful blow than an open palm strike.

3. I have not read anything about blocking where Hikuta is concerned. Are there any blocking tecniques? I just don't see how one could defeat a group attack of say 4 or more people without blocking any attacks. Surely whilst you were striking one or maybe two of the attackers the others would be throwing punces and kicks left, right and centre. I know that Hikuta expresses it's speed but it doesn't make you superman.

Thanks for anyone who can help me.

here is a SHORT explanation quoting from my series of posts on physics and hikuta. Two paragraphs of quotes then I get to specific answers.

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physics of hikuta / kuta

when moving in hikuta you must remember to use you momentum.
hitting with only the weight of your hand, will not do as much as hitting with your entire body weight behind your hand. In kendo they jump off the ground at the moment of striking to ensure they have their entire body weight into each hit. I have studied other martial arts as well as hikuta.

(F=ma. e=mc^2=(m*(v^2))/2. p=mv)
note: definition- energy is the name of units of work in physics.


energy = one half of mass times velocity squared.

if bob has v=1 and mass 2 that he uses when hitting.
bob hits with energy amount 1

if roy has v=1 and mass 4
then roy hits with energy amount 2
twice as much mass in strike, twice the energy.

if mike has v=2 and mass 2
then mike hits with energy amount 4.
twice as much velocity, four times the energy.

if chuck has v=2 and mass 4
them chuck hits with energy amount 8.
twice as fast and twice as much mass equals eight times energy.

if john has v=3 and mass 2
then john hits with energy 9.
three times as fast equals nine times the energy.

so both mass and velocity (speed in a direction) are of great concern when the amount of energy matters. Consider the amount of mass of the hand, to how much mass the entire body has. And consider that a very fast small man can deliver more energy than a medium sized fast man.
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there also exists movement in a circular fashion we call angular velocity, angular velocity is measured in omega = 2*pi*radius. We use 2 pi because the distance around a circle of radius 1 or along the path of a sine wave of frequency 1 (which equals 1 cycle per second for one complete cycle)
is 2* pi. So the angular velocity is also important in how much energy is being directed into the target when striking. In physics the moment arm is the amount needed to cause an object to remain at statis or not moving. A one foot long pole made of metal idealized with a 20 pounds weight at the far end from the fulcrum (the point at which it is being held to exert the amount needed to hold it still in this case, also the pivot point or hinge by definition). Idealized so that there is not compression or contraction or expansion(strain or stress). Produces a 20 pound feet 'moment arm' that must be countered by 20 foot pounds of torque to remain motionless. If you move the point of 'balance' of the weight of 20 pounds to 1/2 foot from the end , then the 10 pound feet 'moment arm' must be countered by 10 foot pounds of torque.
so that like a ice skater when spinning as you bring your arms in, the same torque produces much more movement, because the 'moment arm' has gone down, and the less the 'moment arm' the greater effect for the same torque.
the current 'moment arm' divided by the previous 'moment arm' produces a multiplication of the effective movement caused by the application of the same old torque. If you both reduce your 'moment arm', and increase your torque, you can see that you are going to produce an multiplicative amount of effect when striking. Hikuta lowers your 'moment arm' and trains you to increase your torque, thereby delivering such a high rate of angular velocity, in addition to high velocity, and high acceleration that it produces such a serious effect to only be used in emergencies. Furthemore that the separation of the impulse function of an impact is countered by the application in opposion to the separation function, allowing critical time for the energy to be delivered to the target during the impact. Because the contact is maintained slightly longer much more kinetic energy is transferred to the target, causing much greater damage to the target, as well as less effect on the originator of the strike, since more of the energy leaves the person hitting the target, less recoil occurs to you, and so less damage can occur to the person doing hikuta because the energy of that strike is no longer retained by them. In many systems a wrong strike can cause the person doing the strike to break their own hand/foot/etc, but in hikuta since the energy is allowed more time to enter the target less energy is retained, and felt by the person doing the hikuta strike.
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1. you reduce your "moment arm". Reducing your "moment arm" multiplies effective torque (applied torque times "old moment arm"/"new moment arm").
the ice skater does not add more torque after they start a spin, i.e. they have as much torque in a spin as they are going to have, but when they bring their arms in they reduce their "moment arm" and you see them spinning much faster for the same amount of torque that was causing them to spin slowly. When you reduce your "moment arm" the same application of pound feet gives you a multiplication ("new moment arm"/"old moment arm") of foot pounds of torque. So you hit MUCH harder, i.e. with much more torque. When you properly hit someone with hikuta you transfer A lot momentum to them, and they often shot or stab themselves, because they are moving away from you at such a high rate of speed that the arms flail/jerk to stay attached to the torso/main body. So since they now have shot (or stabbed) themselves, and the gun (or knife) is not pointing at you anymore, and they still may be shocked by the intense effective transfer of A lot of momentum to their body you should be safe. If not, again use the proper amount of force or deadly force as needed, and that the law allows, i.e. hit them again.

2. Hikuta has an open palm strike, but it is not JUST an open palm strike. Remember the opposition to the separating (or impulse) force causes you to deliver more of the force/momentum INTO the body of the target. They get more impact, and you have less momentum still remaining inside of you to "feel" the strike (harder for you to hurt yourself or break your own bones if hitting improperly because less effective impulse function gives more time in contact with target to transfer energy of strike). I prefer to start students with the Hikuta open palm because it is less likely that they could do it wrong and hurt themselves, than if they use a different technique, because the worst they can do is to ONLY do a regular palm strike, if they do it very wrong, and it is hard to hurt your palm by striking something.

3. if you move much faster than others you can see that it is easy to block. But if you move much faster than others you do not need to block, because you can hit them instead of blocking. The old king fu saying, "the beginner blocks, the intermediate blocks then attacks, the master no longer needs to block". Why wait around to block an attack, attack instead. As you become faster, you have to perceive faster to keep up with your own speed, and so you notice/see faster and develop or react faster. With a martial art that you are so much faster than others (perhaps they do not even do martial arts), yes you could block every punch, but how boring, why not just end the fight before they can do anything, you will less likely to be hurt if they do not hit you at all.

story about use of Hikuta:
I have had occasions where professional boxers have tried to harm/kill me or persons in martial arts hall of fame (or others) have tried to just "learn" if I am a master of martial arts by attacking me, and I prefer to start by seeming like a poser (inept person who makes false claims about greatness). I move slow, and have often allowed them to hit me, just to see how strong someone is, and how well they can give a punch. Then I inform them they won, and they should not bother me again since obviously they can beat me up at will (yes I am lying to them, but if they are a genuine honorable person they will not attack you again, since you are no challenge -- they think).
if they come back and attack me again, I do more. I try to gently move only slightly faster than they are (since I have seen them punch I know how fast they move), and only just barely,barely beat them to every punch, just make contact before they can, to throw off their timing/power. And then explain they shouldn't fight me because I am better than they are (just barely - yes still lying to them, but you have to be gentle as people will let you be). If they come back again and continue to make me harm them I usually just let it go, and hit them so fast they do not see it coming. They either tell me when they wake up or sometime. Those who have bothered me a fourth time I start to play with, nothing bothers a boxer like going slow enough that they can see your hands, but they cannot move fast enough to stop your hands from punching around, but not into their head. Punching near their body, but with no contact so they want to flinch, because they expect contact can really mess with their heads. Sometimes people do not learn so well, sometimes they get the message, and it is worthwhile the sooner they learn. The sooner they learn, the less you have to do to them to keep them from harming/killing you. Professional boxers are not slow, and so do not try this at home. Most members of martial arts hall of fame are reasonable people, but when you easily defeat their students they have a tendency to wonder if you are a master (or not), and so they tend to show up, and try to test fight you themselves. But eventually even they can be shown (slowly and slyly) that you are a martial arts master, and that everyone should show proper respect.
I probably shouldn't tell you any more about that for now.

no you would not become superman by learning Hikuta, although some people have claimed.. no I won't go there. Really. I will not tell about clark kent.
yes sometimes I lie. Stupid I know. Oh well.

It takes a long time to squeeze off two shots.

A reasonably average person can hit twice (two separate distinct attacks) on another reasonably average person and the second person still has not had time to fire one shot.

If you wonder how I know this. I have been known to wear a badge and gun at work (sometimes). I also have a degree that involves criminal justice, as well as my others.

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What does your hand weigh? 5 pounds?
What does your entire body weigh on average 20-50 times as much?
So be sure and use you entire body weight when striking, because you will hit with 20 to 50 times as much momentum.
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There was a small female student of mine (late teens) for three lessons (quick short ten minute sessons), I showed her 'crane streches wings' (move with momentum, change bodily direction, all around defense),and 'crane reaches toward sky' (good for arm flexibility, and breathing deeply) two of the 18 classical kung fu exercises, and also some simple techniques of kuta/hikuta. I told her not to think of it as martial arts, but merely self defense, not to use it unless you must to save your life or the life of someone else. Three criminals types asked her if she knew martial arts, when she said no, they tried to rob her (or worst). When it was over; they had stabbed (or clubbed) themselves with their own weapons (a common reaction to being hit with the hikuta hand), and were all lying on the ground in pain. When the police arrived and took the criminals away, they asked whether she knew a martial art or not, she said no, so they asked "where she learned what she did that stopped those men", she mentioned my name, and then one of the police officers hearing over the police radio that 1. she said she didn't know martial arts, and 2. she learned to fight from me. Well he was laughing so hilariously he had to stop his police car rather than crash! (needless to say the police officer was laughing because he knew me, and knows I know martial arts, and knew, that she knew, some martial arts), the judge (the robbers got felony convictions and years in prison) told her to tell people (in the future, if they ask), that she does know martial arts.


In another incident the same young lady also used her training.
A man whom we both knew by name (who I knew was a agent of a foreign government, with diplomatic immunity), and he after hearing about her defeating those three handily wanted to know what I had taught her (since I never taught him anything or even showed him such techniques in the "fun" sparing we would do, on occassion), so she tried to teach him (she did not know he was a man not to be trusted), but he would not listen to her (many a time I have found 'middle' level martial artists are not receptive to hikuta, the man in question had at least two black belts in different styles, and had placed seventh in a contest to prove who was 'best' in the state). He became upset (because he wasn't learning hikuta) and tried to beat her up, and she would just beat him silly (time and again).

Finally since he could not beat her (and her with only three 10 minute lessons), he came back to me, and I finally showed him that he never had a chance against me. He was shocked but I explained to him that I never went (near) full speed (less than half speed really) with him before, because he was never much of a threat (I prefer to only go slightly faster than my opponent so that they don't learn of my true speed or abilities. I like to save more surprises for another day). He was funny, and he tried other ways to get me back (I thought the machine gun was a nice touch, totally ineffective but nice), but that is a story for another day. Shortly thereafter he left the sphere of influence and seldom returned (atleast when she or I were there).

Well there you have it, another story from eawoodall, I know you don't believe me. Same as always. Why lie when you can tell the truth and no one believes you.
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What you think about reality does not matter.
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Thanks, your advice in the technique of Hikuta is well noted.
Do you think I would benefit from purchasing Al Abinins' Hikuta training tapes, and how close are his teachings to DOK lee or that of your own teacher.

I am told that AL is one of only four students of Dok Lee who completed the training (as far as Dok Lee would teach anyone). And AL has also stated that he assisted Dok lee with giving seminars. I think that is spelled ABIDIN.
So he should teach very similar to what Dok Lee taught.
As far as I know his material is worthwhile, and should help you.
I still haven't reviewed AL ABIDIN's material so I do not know to compare.

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Here are four web sites:
The first web site is some of the latter products Dok Lee made.
The second is by AL ABIDIN.
The third is by a student of AL ABIDIN
I do not know the origin of the person responsible for the fourth web site.

http://www.childrens-safety.com/aboutdok1.htm

http://www.cutting-edge-combat.com/...instructor.html

http://www.hikuta.net/hikuta/hikuta_history.cfm

http://www.crossover-kuta.com/founder.html

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There is another book by Dok Lee on sale again at eBay.
Go to ebay.com and enter hikuta in the search box.
(I do not know of anyplace else you can get this out of print book including the web sites I listed above!)

As I have said my teacher used the same names for the same techniques as Dok Lee does in videos.

Someone requested my background: I was born in 1947. My first exposure to martial art was by my uncle Robert Behrent, who was a Detroit policeman and later chief of police for garden City, mi. he taught Sunday school , and if the boys would come to Sunday school, he would teach them 'jiu-jitsu" after class. this was not japanese style, but what they taught police (he was a detective). i remember in the late 40's- early 50's of my uncle, cousins practicing in the living room after dinner (until someone got hurt and crying started). My father, still alive ,and his brother, were nasty little hill-billy street fighters and boxed in the aircorp and navy, respectively. my father also had hand-to-hand combat in the air corp and knew a few 'flips' and so forth. learning boxing from my dad and uncle was NOT fun- and many a sunday afternoon ruined by someone getting a fat lip or bloody nose in my grandmother's living room. I was always fascinated by any talk of fighting (which was the most popular topic of conversation wmoung the men in my family) and about 'judo', 'jiu'jitsu' and all that. being the smallest of the men in my family, i was always looking for a short-cut or technique that would give the smaller guy a chance. my father bought me a book of jiu-jitsu by Lowell and helped me learn the 'tricks' in the book (more crying and my mother slapping my father). later about 1956, there was a tv show called "You Asked for It" that had a vinyette about 'karate'- an art that could defeat boxers, wrestlers, and judo guys. they could break bricks with their hand and such. well , this sounded real good to me. i bought a bull little paper back called "Karate Made Easy" and learned what i could, which was just enough to permanently injure my hands. later I spent my hard-earnd caddying money on Nishiyama's book on karate, a good move. I grew up in a real community and even being willing to fight made you a bad-. i was not tough, but was willing to smack a guy in the snot-box, so people thought i was nuts. one of my friends went to a reform school in Canada and came back with something new-savate. kicks. and he would fight with them ok. i wanted to take karate, but there were no schools in my area in 1959, and they stopped teaching boxing in school and the Y. the boy's club had boxing, but it was too far for my dad to take me, so i took judo at the Y. this was my first real exposure to oriental traditional martial art. the instructor was a cop, and a 4th dan, very high for 1959. one day a friend of the teacher visited from Texas, and showed us the basics of karate(kempo). a few blocks, strikes and kicks and a demo of how we could add this into our judo. Obviously this made judo look weak and I ached for more. In 1965, in heard there was a karate school- so i went to see with my dad. during the class the instructor choked a student unconcious and my dad said "let's get out of here, these guys are nuts". but, oh hell no, this is exactly what i was looking for. I enrolled and studied hard, not being overly athletic, it took a lot of time to learn. i was exposed to many experts both in karate and other arts while studying there. i had the luck of picking one of the best schools in the world, and got a lot of help along the way. i competed in world tournaments, fought some famous guys, and won my share of matches, etc. i earned some respect when i fought an All-Japan Collegiate champion and gave him a hard time. i n the mean time, i led a rather lively lifestyle and had many a real life confrontation. so i am no dojo-dancing liar. One of my instructors told me a story of a guy who was impressive and had a hard-to-believe background as General Chiang Kai-shek's body guard. His name was Leroy_____, and had taught one of the black belts something called 'kuta'. he ran a ____________business and that's how to reach him. I t was difficult to get to him, but i eventually talked him into coming to teach me. He worked with me briefly, and actually let a couple of my friends see what we were doing. He told me that there was little else in the way of volume, but we needed to practice certain things until they matured into relex. He was going to make me a 'heart plate' to protect my heart from damage during training, but unexplicably decided he would no longer teach me (my feeling is he felt i would share this with other martial artists and he wanted it to be more private). I went to the other man he trained (and his wife) to gather more, but they did not have any more info. I told the story many times over my life and I'm not sure people believed me. Until one day i told it and a man said"I know Leroy". He had met him in another city where Lee had worked and verified the story of his 'badness'. He knew another guy who Lee had trained, supposedly for long time. He arrange a meeting and this guy was a creep, and I mean for sure. He knew very little , mostly jiu-jitsu type self-defense and little about the kuta punch or anything else, although he had one training tip that was worth the effort. Many years later, I told it again, and a guy said there was an ad on TV that sounded like the same thing. He brought me a video of the ad,and sure enough- it was LeRoy. Another ad for a book came through my friend's karate school and I tried to contact Lee through them , with no luck. When the web was invented by Al Gore, I tried to search for 'kuta', but found only an Indonesian Resort. Eventually, I found an address through an insurance investigator, but too late. Lee was dead. I ordered Al
Abidin's tapes to review and learn more, and they are helpful, yet a little different than what I learned. Also , lee's book and tape is short information. I am very interested in meeting someone who trained with lee or before him ,or from one of his peers. Many of his comments I consider to be untrue, but when you saw or felt him move, you know he had something. It is highly doubltful that he was Chiang's body guard, for instance. There is one aspect of the training that no one has mentioned yet, and I will not either, until someone says the right word. You may email me privately [email protected]

I have been busy thinking and studying about kuta. I got some jack savage tapes and started to remember some drills and learned others anew. "kuta' is not a known arabic word, so we can just about eliminate the egyptian source for the word kuta. Since there are no other known practitioners of kuta before Lee, and no peers whatsoever, I seriously doubt that kuta as we know it was existent before lee or was developed by the mercenaries Lee was (maybe) with or Lee himself. This does not in any way detract from its usefullness. Whoever figured it out was brillliant and the principles are sound.Lee's stories were suspect from day one, and even the man who referred me to him said he was full of bull, but real fast and rough. I apologize to lee if what he said was true, but it is just un-f__ing likely. I just found a map to his house that he drew on the back of one of my business cards. I have had no luck in meeting with Bob of Canada about kuta, I guess he is sick or something.I am doing my best to get all the info I can and to dig up another kuta man of the old school before they all die- if there are any.I am offering a reward of $500 to anyone who trained kuta before 1965 and can prove it (other than with Lee). Any proof of its existence before Lee, any proof of Pappy Joe's existence, any proof that Lee was a mercenary and learned kuta there- or any reference to kuta before 1965 in any written material or film will net the 'prover' $2000. To my knowledge, other than William A. - I am the oldest student of the late Leroy C. (dok lee)

Kuta is the name of a certain city, that was the home of someone, who eventually went to egypt. The city named was not of arabic origin, nor was the name arabic after it was changed (a name you probably have heard about). That someone defeated five armies with just a couple hundred men. Before it was in egypt, kuta was there, in that city, at least with that man.
It seems he was the favorite, some historian say he was the priest or son of the priest of that place, and other historians say he brought arithmetic to egypt, and his great grandson brought medicine, geometry,divine history, and was placed in charge of Pharoah's bodyguards, even though he was just a slave (although he was related to Pharaoh, since even his great grandfather was a relative of the new Pharoahs), eventually that great grandson ruled egypt, second only to Pharaoh after his release from prison, for a crime he did not commit. And by the way that great grandson built the first pyramid.

Secondly, you discount that there were other practitioners before Lee? I explained to you that I learned this martial art a dozen years before I met and beat up Dok Lee. Are you telling the people reading this that I defeated Dok Lee after only having studied kuta for a week? That is crazy. Because it is not true. I studied with the best, as witnessed by my teacher being the undefeated champion of the military service they were in, and no one else would fight them, so they had to leave that military position.

You think Lee developed this system on his own? Funny. He wasn't that smart. He wasn't that wise. Leroy (since you already told everyone his name) was a golden gloves boxer, and he learned kuta, and so he was "the most dangerous man in the world" ,until I took that title from him, by beating him up. Of course he was in his prime, and I was just a teenager. The problem is after you were told all of the simplicity of kuta, you still were not satisfied, Dok lee had nothing more to teach you. You have to synthesize all that you learned, into what is useful for you.

Yes I trained in kuta in 1963! And I can prove it, but once again, I do not play. I do not jump through hoops! Period. The first time a person who tried to kill me with a gun, was when a fellow student of my teacher got pissed at me for being better at kuta than he was, by then I was only almost 5 (and over 20 years younger than him) but I hit him once, and he went to mr. hospital.
Something about a caved in chest.

I have seen a video on a certain television channel about military events, and they showed a certain group of special forces soldiers, and in the caption underneath in the written english for the hard of hearing it said the names of the soldiers, since they are all dead it was declassified, and the last one listed was pappy joe! Just before a commercial break.

I don't know any of Dok Lee's students except 1. by reputation: the guy who was in wheelchair on the tonight show just (the week) before I met someone who also knew hikuta at my public school. J. carson said is there also a low kuta? (after the man in the wheelchair broke a brick). 2. by reputation and email: AL ABIDIN, and (student of AL) Savage (an alias I believe) whose webs sites I have given, if you go back a little in this post. 3. personally: the fellow student, and his dad (both learned kuta from Dok Lee when they had lived near him in another state) at my public high school in the mid 70s.

Keep your money. I did not prove these things to you for cash, just so the record would be set straight.

Karate literally means kara fist, kara was a section of ancient china. Karate did not start in japan, or korea, it started in kara, and so is named for where it is noted as being started. In the same way the name for the philliphines was "way of the royal fist" , and in korea the royal bodyguard martial art was passed down in secret for over a thousand years. And as you said a well known martial artist's wife learned kuta, perhaps she ,by accident, taught her husband, because I see hikuta techniques in her husband's style, as well as in kung fu (there are two techniques called chin na in every major type), and so on, so many people are trying to do kuta, some do the techniques well, and others do not understand what they are trying to do, because they were not taught the art they are doing as kuta, they have the techniques clouded by years (centuries or more) of separation of pure technique. I have beaten up on second highest rated "way of the royal fist" practictioner with one hand. I hit him once, after he tried to attack me, without a reason, and he fell down, and stayed there. After a short trip to hospital (a few weeks) he returned, but with a different attitude. Kuta is named after the city from which it came, like most martial arts (are named after a region/country).

Then there was the guy who was the highest rated practitioner of judo in the world at that time, took me one hand to defeat him, and his protégé similarly. When some jewel thieves heard I was going to hunt them down, after seeing me in action (well perhaps seeing isn't the right word, since blur is all they see). They turned themselves in, rather than face me. The protégé they did not fear but me, was a different story. Or perhaps you would like to hear of the escapades of the times I have defeated those who have won those unconventional world event fights, using only one hand often (okay I often finish them off with two hands). Defeating aikido champions (first,second and third in line to be the schools grand master in japan). Special forces elite troops who think they are something they are not, whether they try grenade, sniper rifle, et cetera, they are just not a big threat. I know kuta. The bank robberies I have stopped, because after them trying to rob the bank, just as I was trying to walk in they decided they would rather turn themselves in, than face me. Seems they had a little problem hurting me, and did not want me to hit them. Kuta teaches fast movement, you can get out of the way. I remember one guy who thought he could kill me, he threw three throwing stars at the same time, at me, with a type of poison on them, but I just caught them all with one hand (in one motion), and threw them back at him (in the same motion). Someone did not dodge all three of them, so he had to go to hospital for a instant deadly type of poison (was it tree frog or curare? It doesn't matter). I could on and on, but what is the point. Have a nice day.

<breaks out the popcorn>

This is fun stuff. I'd like to buy a ticket to this event - especially if woodall looks like his avatar.

You review my posts, even just in this thread you will see that I did not train your relative in kuta. I am not sure where they claimed to learn. Perhaps you could ask where they claimed to learn, because I have made no video, no audio, no book that teaches kuta. The last person I trained was about 20 (then) year old girl (about 20 years ago). So I could not be responsible for any 15 years old person attitude or training of hikuta.

The children safety videos do not teach that children hit anyone!
See http://www.childrens-safety.com/aboutdok1.htm
They only teach how to get/run away from danger!

Perhaps your nephew was not doing what he has been taught?
I do not know whose product he was learning from? But since I sell no product myself, I cannot be to blame. Review this entire thread: I also explained that hikuta is only to used when your life is in danger, and you have a legal right to defend yourself or others, never to attack someone because you are being mean or you want to go to jail or prison!

I am sorry you have never heard of bruce lee, or other great martial artists who have, and can (if still alive) actually do quite well against multiple people at once. That you doubt anyone can overcome multiple people at once shows that you do not know anything about martial arts! When you first heard that martial artists could break a brick did you doubt? What level of ability of fighting do you disbelieve? Because you cannot walk and chew gum at the same time doesn't mean that others cannot, and likewise people can use more than just one fist at the same time (or fist with foot/etc combination) to hit more than one person at the same time.

Once again, you fail to believe that anything not within your own experience is true. If you do not have a college degree that involves physics why would you believe electricity exists, by your logic, because you don't completely understand everything about it, so it must not exist. Is that what you think? Electricity does not exist because you don't understand it? Reality is not about what you think of it. Reality is about what it thinks of you! You can step to the ledge of a top of a tall building and not believe gravity exists, but gravity might well have something to say to you if you step off! So do not do it! Do not tempt gravity! Electricity exists, you may be able to use it to make toast, or cook food, or turn on the automobile without fully understanding it. You doubt my abilities, and the other truths I have told. Fine, but that does not and cannot change that all these events really happened.

Webster's defines a fact as an event that actually happened! Your opinion of me is just that, what you think about something, and it can only limit you, because if you do not think electricity works, you would never have the local electric company turn on your power to your house. You could not use electricity to heat/cool your home, because if you logically think it does not exist you would never order or pay for it. That you limit your knowledge of martial arts to not knowing kuta exists is your choice. Believe whatever you want, this is america (where I am), and you are free to be as silly in your philosophy or religion or way of life as you want, and no one can say that it is wrong, as long as you do not endanger the public or yourself, then they would ask you to go in front of a judge to determine if there is a possibility that you should be evaluated for being a danger to yourself and others (mental illness). Has your cousin been before a judge to determine if he is a danger to himself and/or others since he attacks people without a reason? Perhaps he has a condition that needs to be checked out, let's get him some help, if a judge determines that he has a need for it.

That you think I am a moron, for reasons I have already mentioned shows that you do not understand there may be things you have not personally seen, there may exist things outside your knowledge. Perhaps you should consider recent inventions, as a wake up call. You see I did not advocate violence to your nephew. I inform people that they should be able to learn how to defend themselves, if they are motivated enough to desire that outcome, and can acquire the resources and materials to get experience in doing self defence.

By calling me out, you show that people of low economic status (poverty) consider that violence is the answer to their problems (see : "a framework for understanding poverty" by ruby payne, Ph.D. http://www.ahaprocess.com).
I do not fight for money, I have enough people trying to kill me without me looking for fights! When I have had to fight, it is for real, it is not timed, it is not a sporting event, I have had to win or die, and since I am still here for you to insult, I must have won. You choose to show me no respect, and no one can ever force anyone to do anything, so I will not attempt to waste time convincing you that I am telling the truth. I don't fight for fun either. I have defeated several people who have won on ufc, I told you that last post. So whoever you are, people you already know should know me, but will they tell you? Will they admit it? Will the people in the martial arts hall of fame I have defeated admit it to you? I doubt it. They have reputations to uphold. They have a vested interest in looking unbeatable. They have schools, and students, and rent payments on martial arts buildings, while I have none of that. So I would not ask them to verify me. I indeed would not want anyone to jump through hoops to verify my abilities, or praise me. I refused the rank that people have tried, and continue to try to give me, no matter how high the rank. I do not do martial arts for fame, I have enough fame from other things, for me, I feel that I should not teach martial arts, because I do not believe that any amount money is enough to teach those who should not know martial arts, and no amount of money is small enough to keep me from teaching those who should learn martial arts because of a (in my humble opinion) dire need.

I happen to be a honorable man, not because what others think of me matters to me, because it does not, but because the only way to conduct yourself is properly. I do not have delusions, nor illusions of how combat able I am, because I have been in a lot of combat (somehow I am still here). Perhaps you want to consider it a miracle that I am still alive, fine. Perhaps it is. I certainly give God all the praise that I am still here, because I do not think my survival is all about me.

If you are the gentleman I emailed about hikuta privately then you already know that I have no personal knowledge of the persons who have hikuta web sites (as I again mentioned last post). What you fail to understand, is also what I mentioned last post, that people doing all those styles you mentioned on your web site (if you are whom I think you are) are doing kuta (they and you just do not understand that the techniques from all those different martial arts that look similar, ARE the same technique). They are trying to do kuta, they may not know that is what they are doing, but it is. So do you doubt anyone in all those different styles of martial arts can fight? Kung fu? TQD? Et cetera. There exist over 11 major styles that are directly trying to kuta, and some of them do not know it. Certainly most would never admit it.

I do not keep track of who is in what sporting event or fighting contest since I do not ever participate is such sillyness. So if you are a martial artist with world renown, I apologize for my harsh words about your belief structure as it relates to belief in martial arts. If you are the person who I privately emailed I apologize for my harsh words about your lack of understanding of martial arts in general for I believe, that if you actually got exposure to proper teacher in kuta you would see that it is useful, and exactly the same as many techniques that you already are aware exist (or the other techniques from other styles SHOULD be as effective as kuta, if they do it correct, as a kuta technique). And I also enjoy that you have tried to understand kuta, even though you only have seen a couple videos from a person who did not even train with Dok Lee (to my knowledge), but they learned from a student of Dok Lee's and that student did not even start learning hikuta until the early 90s. And then some time later the student of the student of Dok Lee learned hikuta whose tapes you bought, so the instuctor you are unhappy with has what? Less than 10 years in hikuta. Certainly new instructors like that do not always do the best job of teaching technique. I have offered to review all the hikuta information by those two hikuta instructors (for years) and none of them have chosen to allow me to (without me charging them a dime) make sure they are teaching the proper techniques, so I cannot vouch for what they have taught.

I wish your nephew well. And I am sure that given enough time, you perhaps may see that hikuta (highlights of kuta) can be something that has validity. I am sorry that you feel fighting is the only way to prove validity of a martial art, and my teacher, and his teacher both would agree with you, that "the proof is in the fighting", but I really do have to fight for my life often enough that I am not willing to fight for any other reason. I hope that although I am sure you will consider me a coward, and you will think I am afraid, you will consider that appearances can be deceptive. Certainly I would not want to hurt anyone (obviously could only occur by accident, since I would not mean to harm someone I was sparring with) whose only purpose was to validate a martial art. I also wish you well, in your understanding, and knowledge of martial arts. I do not mean to sound like I have all the answers because I am sure I do not. Dok Lee often said (I am told), "Every martial art has a place". So mutual respect to those who feel differently than yourself, is reasonable. Furthermore if hikuta is as you think it is, a useless utter devoid of worth excuse for a martial art that a old fat man made up within the last half century, then you should be glad, and let people who you consider "not your friends" to believe in it, since they would be the fools who try to use it, and find it does not work. You should be overjoyed that people you do not like believe in a stinking pile of.. well you get the point. But what if your wrong? Who knows. Who cares. Life goes on. Be well. Be safe. There is that nagging doubt though, what if eawoodall is right? I suppose it could happen theoretically I guess. Or not. Whatever.

Grasshopper you should never allow your anger to cloud your mind. You may get an adrenal rush, but you will stop using fine motor control, oh wait that is all right you saw some tapes on hikuta, so you know how to use gross motor skills even when you are angry, so you can still fight, no wait the entire point you were trying to make was to show hikuta does not work, hummm? Do you know a martial art that specifically, other than kuta, causes an advantage when you cannot use fine motor skills, do you know a martial art at the advanced levels that does not try to get you under stress to hit a specific tiny point in the name of pressure points. Do you know that studies show in combat people lose that ability to hit a specific point, because the fine motor skill is gone, poof. Hummm. Of course if you use any of the martial arts that are trying to do kuta, then they do have skills that specifically allow you to fight while in an adrenal rush. But they would never tell you that, would they?

I did not know I had an avatar? I have no idea what my avatar looks like, nor do I know how to find out. Perhaps I should try to spend more time figuring out how the controls work here on askmehelpdesk.com

Calm your nephew, even if somehow you found me, and forced me to fight you, it would not be my purpose to harm you. I do not go around beating up on people in other martial arts (unlike Dok Lee who would/did walk into several martial arts schools and challenge and defeat "whoever" to show them the validity of hikuta, per stories from Dok Lee).

I would not do serious bodily injury unless I felt that my life was in grave danger, and I choose to not be a martyr.

You see if you know martial arts, you can choose to (atleast try to) defend yourself (or not). If you do not know martial arts you are forced to be a martyr. Only a martial artist can choose to be a martyr (or not), others have to be a martyr because they cannot do anything about it. That is what a skill like martial arts is about choice.

it's okay. You can be helped.

I am not sure about me though.

{instructions: skip to the next post if you want to really get to the post, (and not wade through my fake being sorry for myself, oh pity party).}
i.e.. I give 6 reasons you are better than me, D. severn.

I am probably more set in my ways, and often fail to do as well as I would want or hope, and so certainly show that as a failure I am a wonderful example. Lets count some ways I am a much bigger failure than you can ever hope to be:
1. you (if you are who I think you are) have magazine articles in martial arts magazines, obviously people like and respect your opinion, or you would not invited to write in martial arts magazines.
2. you have respect of several people who are masters in theirs styles, again seeing the pictures on the articles about martial arts and comparing them, you must have a lot of friends. I don't have super friends or people to support me, instead I have this entourage of persons trying to harm / kill me. If I go to a public place or place where people gather you can be sure that persons will attack or test my abilities by harming me to see if I survive various forms of deadly attack! Often for no reason at all. Even if the retinue decides to happen to sit back and allow me a moments respit, they do so based upon, "oh look let's see how he interacts with that famous person or hopeless situation or whatever". That you have what passes as a normal life, is a good thing. And then of course they do not allow me to pursue or achieve any type of semblance of normalacy even in the modicum. (see dictionary.com for large words) -- sorry had to give a break for persons who read this to find information, back to my excuses for the excuse which is mine. What else can I say, oh wait here is an idea: "when i do wrong blame me, if i do something right thank God". There that is a reasonable thought.
3. you have camaraderie with those other martial artists. I just have people trying to kill me, and harm me who are employed to do so, sure every so often someone will just try to kill me for fun, but mostly it is an employment option for them. They look for weaknesses, and constantly prove my defenses.
4. you as far as I know are healthy, or at least should be walking around. My doctor constantly asks me how I still standing, especially after seeing test results for various conditions caused by others that should kill any reasonable man (or actually should kill several hundred if not thousands of people). Indeed he actually just says, "are you okay?" then points out the at least 14 separate conditions that say I should be dead already or at least am terminally ill, though he told me my life expectancy was 1 to 9 years, he said that years ago, well as long as the conditions that should have killed me (and would kill several hundred if not thousand other people if spread out over the population) do not actually kill me then it is just a matter of waiting for someone to get lucky. Think of the old west, it did not matter that a bartender shot a great gun fighter in the back, that bartender still got the fame of killing off that person.
5. you seem to be able to choose your job, and what you do for a living. I am required to do what I should do, no matter what training I receive, or how able legally I am to do a different line of work, people just refuse to let me have a career that is not whatever they want. They intimidate, threaten, or cajole anyone I try to be employed with into not considering me as an employee, often at the point of a gun. Because I have heard from people who are the decision makers at several jobs where I applied. And that the people who want me dead continue to perpetrate these heinous crimes against my person by continually interfering in my life is sad. What can I do, unless I wholesale kill them all off. I have a legal right to end their lives. I have the authority to do it. I just have tried to be lenient. Stupid of me I know.

but that seems to be the point of this post is admit I am a failure and stupid, so please do not consider whatever martial art that sometimes I am considered to be associated with to be belittled by an excuse for a human being such as myself (sounds like a reasonable self description). So if you are allowed to be a teacher or police or firefighter or ordained minister or martial arts instructor or whatever consider that even though I have done everything that legally is needed to do those things (and often spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars to do so), and so many others, no one can actually employ me to do them, because of the people who continually try to kill me, and who will threaten or kill anyone who might offer me a position. So I continue in minimum wage jobs (or at times no job at all), going from place to place, living out of cars, or on the streets at times, sleeping on the floor rather than in beds in which people have died (I had nothing to do with it- natural causes), and then days to weeks later they were discovered, so the beds are free, because of the bodily fluids. No you would not want my existence. Being belittled by persons you do not know because you merely tell people the truth. (it all) doesn't matter. Nothing I say or do will ever effect you. I know people believe whatever they want.

so kids let me say this, do not go the trail of hardship and pain and suffering that I have shown you I endure everyday, do not emulate me. I am not worthy. Choose well what path you go. Do not let others choose for you. Be strong.(sorry for the break in thought just wanted to tell children to do well).
unlike me.

6. you have a lineage of instructors who you can claim, my instructors never allow me to claim them as instructors.

yes there exist more than a half dozen other persons who were taught kuta when I was taught kuta (and I do not recall telling anyone that before), although I am do not believe that any of them completed the training, as I did. And certainly I know that others were trained as well, about the time/place when/where my teacher's teacher was trained. So kuta has been around a long time, but certainly people can blame me for a failure to explain, or show it has any value.

I was just trying to explain how it works. I just wanted to tell the truth. Sorry if I have offended you oh great and powerful <insert name>. I am just a one who is unworthy of your attention. I am beneath your beating up.

(bored with the whole pretending to be humble thing I did in first half of post).

I think that is about as humble as I can be, and still stomach it. But I have had a lot of practice acting (remember acting helpless is an advantage because of the surprise it gives you over your opponent when you spring into action, because they may have lowered their guard by then);
1. pretending I am nothing, and
2. pretending I do not get to do whatever I want whenever I want.

so perhaps you will believe my apology and humility, and if not, "oh well", bring it on. Try to kill me like the rest. See if I care. You will do whatever it is you want you excuse for a caring human being so if the only thing you can think to do to someone in a martial art you personally cannot understand is combat, COME AND LOSE IN MY PRESENCE. IF YOU WILL NOT RESPECT YOUR ELDERS, YOU BETTER FEAR YOUR BETTERS!
whenever a coward such as yourself is ready.

the last post and up to here was my reply to just your first two paragraphs.

what you do not understand is those who call people out are the ones who are cowards. The people who are not cowardly seek to not harm you. I do not want you hurt at all. Because thinking that you have a chance against me is real insanity. I have told you the truth in my stories, and after hearing them you think you can do anything shows you need a mental health check up. Many people who have "seen" me in action start believing in comic books, and other views that they previously did not consider as being in the realm of possibility. I would not mind knocking you out, but I do not want to harm you. Tough dichotomy. What to do, what to do.

of course even if I meet you, and beat you, would you tell anyone? Really? Because I still would not want you to tell anyone. I do not need you to jump through hoops to show anyone that I can do anything. I would not want any 'proof' to show that I have these abilities, or can fight. I really enjoy the fact that people doubt me, surprise is great. It is a wonderful thing in a fight.
when people wake up, and go "what happened?", and I can say, 'i hit you with my fist, and they say, "i didn't see your fist move". Bozo is a trademarked designation of larry harmon productions, and a well respected clown, so do not drag down his name because you do not like me. You would not want them to sue you. Ha ha. That was a joke. Sorry. Interesting I have never heard of don frye, does he have a web site? How long has he claimed to be a person who knows hikuta?

okay you want to know. Fine.
where to start.
life is not what it appears to be.
life is not about what most people think. It is complex and wonderful (sounds like I am giving a birds and bees lecture doesn't it). Sorry. Train of thought.
we choose who we believe, and who we don't. We decide what is worth keeping and what is not. We choose who to trust, and who we should be careful around. (always protect yourselves children do not do something today that you have to live with tomorrow - like luggage).

example: that nice gentleman who said he tried to learn karate out a book, and hurt both his hands (dr bill, I guess). So please seek reasonable persons to instruct you in any martial art. Sometimes people do not have creditials, though. I know a martial artist who recently hurt his knee (shifted), and took about a month off, just after getting his supreme master belt (around 8th black belt in a particular series of japanese styles), well they took and demoted him all the way back to 1 or 2nd black belt for being unable to practice for a month. That is so wrong, he did not forget anything, he did not bring shame or dishonor to the styles he knows. And they took away 6 or 7 stripes off his black belt because he was hurt. He is going to japan to study aikido in a few months, maybe they are stripping him of rank for a different reason. I hope so.
because I feel he should consider opening his own school, under his old rank. He can still study other styles of japanese martial arts, those he already knows have wronged him, and he should not honor them with his presence. They do not have a right to without a reason claim he is nothing. They have a responsibility to the martial arts community to show his real earned rank! He is just barely a black belt now, and so has to fight his way through all the lowly belts at tournments now. I have never even shown him hikuta, so he cannot be punished for any association with me. Oh well.

sir I do not allow, as much as I have any say over it, anyone to video tape me, take any likeness of my image, or otherwise record my voice,etc. under the privacy act I try to remain unknown. Not that that happens around here anyway. Not that any government does not do anything they want at anytime, so I am aware of several archival footages of myself in action at various times, and certainly to assist people in projects that I have done, such footage, audio is necessary, but under various regulations, laws, etc is considered for under some governmental classification or business designation as being not public information or restricted through security clearance of some level. Disclaimer (is the paragraph that follows):
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and then I have business agreements that require that my involvement remains unknown in "work" I have done relating to the scientific, entertainment,and training community, as well as my emergency assistance when required for various levels of government functions. In short I cannot talk about, nor am I allowed to prove how/when/where/why/etc I have/can or will assist those in need to preserve freedom. I wonder if I can shorten that speech somehow? Of well. Back to answering your questions.

I agree liars can be a pain. But I think if you look it up in the bible you will find it says, let God be true and every man a liar. Romans 3:4


don't worry about it,people do tend to gravitate toward me and my big mouth.

no what I have said can cause no one any harm. I said do not use hikuta for violence, do not attack people. Only defend yourself as best you can. All martial arts have a place. So in review people should learn every martial art to have the right tool for the right job, and be respectful, and nice to others.

that you think that because someone knows something that you do not that they are incorrect in their pivotal value or life view, shows you have a lack of respect toward others. Sometimes people call that a bigot, but I won't, you are just not well informed. Just try to understand you do not have to be right.
I do not know if I am right, I just presume, and go on. Everyone does.

fighting does not stop fools from prating on, it just slows them down with a sore jaw. You need biology lesson I am not mouse, I am human. Well a lot of people claim I am human, at least until they see me in action. Cha ching! Wow zap zowie! Sorry I am having fun with this. I shouldn't. I should be serious, but you give such straight lines to play off. Don't worry kiddos, eawoodall as far as he knows, or you know is fine and will continue on earth for as long as the good Lord keeps me here. Amen.

well fraud might be a strong word. Let's see, I told you the truth, that I thought you might be able to handle, because I did not want to tell you the unbelievable parts of my life, that would freak you out, honestly. But you can think what you want, this is america. Does not sound like fraud to tell people the truth but maybe you define fraud differently that I do, or perhaps you still hope that I am lying to you. Is that the problem? Do you seek your nephews love and admiration so much that you think you must compete with me? Oh.
get your nephew to give you a hug, big guy. You deserve it. You are just trying to keep him out of trouble, and help him on his way. How nice. I can not nor would I want to fault you for helping your family, and supporting his life choices about what martial art to study, and how to defend himself. But do try to break him of that attacking people on sight, that is just wrong. Maybe he could make you a thank you card out of paper, like they often do in art class at school. Or he could write you a poem about his "favorite uncle".
you could post it on the fridge. Or give you one of his class pictures to carry in your wallet. (there are a lot of ways kids for you to express your love to your family and we all need to remember to do that, so take time and thank them for doing all the wonderful things they do to keep/help you and be safe).
just another annoucement to help keep america friendly. Be well. Be safe all.

D.S. only (hide you eyes kids do not read this paragraph):
serrazimes or seraptase (made from material found in silk worm intestines) claims to be used over the counter in japan and other countries to possibly (not making a claim under the FDA rules as a drug but only for purposes of nutritional value) work to reduce/eliminate scar tissue. Perhaps you could find some on eBay or somewhere, and see if you personally want as an adult to self medicate to see if you lose or reduce any scars. I get no benefit nor do I sell such products anywhere. Also you might want to consider MSM as a suppliment, since it is readily available over the counter also, and perhaps it can do something for you, but it is up to you to determine what suppliments you are willing to try. Sometimes physical therepy can help old wounds, or certain hospitals have wound centers to help if you need that.

so is anyone going to tell me what my avatar that I did not make looks like?
is it a gorilla in a pink dress or what? A hippo in an evening gown? What?
obviously someone in the admin at askmehelpdesk does not value all my answers if I have a bad avatar, since I did not make it, to my knowledge.
oh well. Nothing I can do about whatever it is. Laugh it up all.

This gets better and better with every minute... just imagine eawoodall in all the frightening situations, and how he handles it so calmly. This I got to save to my hard disk... this is what my kids will read instead of watching action movies!

This is so much better!! :D And on top of it all - it's a "documentary action movie"! :D LOL

Two things about him make me laugh:

(1) if that is his picture by his username then I'm pretty sure that I could run away from him before he can "kill" me with "kuta". Of course I would only need to run about 20 feet away he would be so winded as to keel over sideways; then I would kick him in the groin, if he has one.

(2) where does he get so much time to write such long-winded diatribes for every response? No job? No friends or family? No responsibilities? Fast little typist?

I appreciate your interest in my exploits. However. Since I have been responsible for (originated as it were) several hit; major motion pictures, television shows, and other material in that genre, as well as songs related to such material and otherwise, it is my recommendation that you continue to enjoy the best in entertainment that you can experience, and be assured that I will enjoy the benefits of my non disclosure agreement(s), and for official use only (or higher) classified 'work' in such areas, because you have already seen or heard or experienced my work almost assuredly. Just you did not know that I was the person responsible for such things. Sometimes adults do not feel it is important who gets credit for something, just that people retain some modicum of privacy, and (everyone) receive the message that is being said. That being said, it (this message) is what I was trying to not say (too obviously) plainly by discussing my 'work' in other parts of this thread.

Some consider me an idea man. I like to think.

Sometimes it is easy to be calm, when you handled a similar situation before. Whether you are going to try the same old thing that worked last time, or if you are so tired of all the attempts on your life you just decide to wait and see if they can do anything. Be bored. Wait around to see if this assassin is inept as the others. And certainly it is entertaining to watch the people fall over themselves or each other trying to be the one to get credit, like my bartender in the old west analogy. Traditionally the faster you move, the slower other people seem to. You learn how to 'see', and react faster just to keep up (or experience your speed) with your own abilities.

Secondly, studies show that 20 feet is too close for an encounter, police, security, martial arts training shows that it takes less time to cover 20 feet than it does for a average person to draw and fire, IF you do not appear to be heading their way, before you start to come at them. Indeed most people you can disarm, get behind them, run past them, or whatever before they can point the gun where you were 20 feet ago. I have worn a badge and gun at work, and trained people in such techniques who wear badges and guns.

I try to not spend too much time on my answers. But I prefer to be reasonable about the important subjects in persons lives. The people asked questions, and if I choose to answer, I believe they deserve a reasonable response that explains the truth. I try to be helpful. I try to tell the truth, whether anyone believes me or not, since only those with extremely high or segmented security clearance can tell/know if what I say is true, and of course those in the entertainment industry who know I have made them several billions of dollars through products that I came up with the idea for, as well as scientific, and educational material I have presented/discovered.

I don't know when or if any documentary could actually be made about my life since a lot of material takes time to become anywhere near public knowledge. Consider the few pieces of inormation we have about people such as tesla, or others who have been great inventors, or scientists but certain parts of their lives are classified, or have very restricted information about the way in which they achieved success. And over time such information is often lost, or keep secret from the public, for the public may think one person invented something, or achieved something, and the truth may be quite different. A hundred or more years later who will really care if you did a particular thing even if it was some 'great thing' that continues to bring about change or hope for people. By then either 1. even school children would know the things you added to their lives to enjoy, or 2. no one but historians in a secret or higher level of access would even know your name.

Since my life is constantly in danger, and people continue to try to kill me whenever it seems convenient. I cannot be near enough to anyone, to allow any person to be harmed, because they make the mistake of having a strong like of me. It is the spiderman syndrome (see the first spiderman movie). That in spiderman two, M.J. choose to be there for spiderman at the end of the motion picture, but in movies a happy ending can be easier than in real life.

Being able to face whatever happens does not mean never being afraid for the average person, it means not running from what you must do. If you cannot escape, you might as well bravely face destiny. You might as well do what you can, since in any life or death struggle you can only choose how you face it. You are often not in control of if you will die, but only will you die well. Perhaps by trying to win, you can overcome, best to be brave, since most of the time you only have to be brave for a few moments anyway, and death will come,or you will survive. Do not go gentle into that good night! Try.

Two things about him make me laugh:

(1) if that is his picture by his username then I'm pretty sure that I could run away from him before he can "kill" me with "kuta". Of course I would only need to run about 20 feet away he would be so winded as to keel over sideways; then I would kick him in the groin, if he has one.

(2) where does he get so much time to write such long-winded diatribes for every response? No job? No friends or family? No responsibilities? Fast little typist?
Definitely got to agree with you! Those long replies make me laugh! :)

The thing I like a lot is him mentioning every other post that there's a lot of people trying to kill him on a daily basis... it adds to the excitement... I just read everything after "those who are trying to kill me" with so much more care!

you can be as wrong about me as you want. But you should not commit crimes. You should not violate the laws of the governments of the world, by false accusation. Bearing false witness against your neighbor.

I am not a secret agent.

any actions on my part to stop international operatives , or other actions are strictly my own, and can never be blamed upon any government.

I am not sure what the photo is suppose to be.

once again you presume incorrectly and also engage in name calling based upon you opinion of me, but I feel that you are welcome to your opinion, but should not use terms that may be construed as profanity, or other illegal to use in writing, since in some states you have just committed a class B misdemeanor by using such words. You have no right to presume upon anyone having a medical condition like ED. Especially since it is not so.
I did not recommend to you that you take over the counter products for ED, I only mentioned products that may help your scars, or old wounds. Since you claim to have a lot of scars and old wounds.

that I have informed you of anything at all, and you continue to be unwilling to learn, shows that you do not want to have knowledge. And since you choose to not learn, neither I nor anyone else can teach you. If you visit websters you will see the word 'fool' is someone who chooses not to learn.
cast not your pearls before swine, inplies that there is no reason for me to continue bothering to try to inform you of you errors. If I had the ability to do so, I would edit your post, to make it not incorrect.

generational poverty is not only being poor when you are young, but still valueing violence when old. There are three levels of social class. Generational wealth is having so much money inherited that you only concern is to spend only part of the interest you constantly receive, and place the only social value upon whom you know. Medium income individuals value their learning, and use of knowledge, and communication not in the casual register(the way poor people talk). That you value violence is what shows you have not left generational poverty, no matter how much cash you have you are poor. Review: medium class people think it is what you know. Wealthy class think it is who you know. Those in poverty think it is that you can continue to exist to know at all. Poverty values stuff, as a person who may have a lot of cash, but values stuff you may have a big house or 20 houses, but you value what you can buy if you are still mentally in generational poverty. Medium class values professionalism in a career.

yes, you, being the coward you are, will try to kill me. That is my expectation. Many have tried. None have succeeded. I do not know anyone who has a basement, nor do you really think I have friends! Be serious. Anyone who would hang around me would have their life constantly in danger from jerks such as yourself. People with guns constantly threaten, if not indeed actually kill anyone who has ever (will ever, or could ever) like me, much less pretended to care. As I explained last post. I do not know any homeless people, I am not accepted in the homeless community, they will not take me as a member any more than any other group would.

if you really were ever in the UPC or whatever it was called, then anyone can rent or buy video of your great expoits. Since I care not about such bs I do not know, having never seen such programs. No logically if I were or you were or anyone was to knock out someone they would fall down, until they regained consciousness anyway. So they could not bow or say anything, but I know what you meant to say, that after waking up, someone might want to say something or whatever they wanted to do, but I do not want fans, I do not want anyone to start yet another fan club, it takes time and effort to get those dissolved. I do not want the responsibility of serfs, slaves, or anyone who thinks I am responsible for their life. If you want to serve anyone serve God. I don't want your pledge of you life, and as I said I am already what any medical doctor would presume is quite dead by any test they may give. And beating me within an inch of my life would not impress me, even if I stood there and let you do it, to get you to leave me alone.

sorry I reread your post, I thought you said don Frye was the guy who taught your nephew kuta, but you said you and don Frye went to see the guy who taught your nephew kuta. From what you say about the person who taught your nephew kuta he must have actually recognized you and Don frye as you came through the door at his "dojo". That the instrutor in kuta spends his time watching upc shows, shows he isn't what I would consider to be a real martial artist. How could anyone spend time watching such drool.

I did a Google search and found out Don Frye is one of your friends from upc.
I do not do illegal drugs. I have never done illegal drugs. That you presume such because I misunderstood is quite presumptive on your part. It is too bad your friend don frye, per what you are saying about him, never learned a real martial art, since he only knows a thrown together make it up yourself "kyakf"
do you know any real martial arts? Do you hold any belts in any styles? Did you ever enter any of those tough guy contests? Since you question your friends martial arts abilities as being unconventional, how conventional are your martial arts training? Did you ever get on an olympic team? Do college or high school wrestling? Golden gloves? At the Y? Anything? Back yard fisticuffs?

you presume upon the status of my parents. If I had/have parents. Are you an orphan? Are you parents deceased? Did they support you through school?
were they generationaly wealthy, in poverty, or middle class? How did it effect your upbringing? You discussing parents might upset persons reading this post who are without such people anymore. Everyone but test tube babies had parents, so there do exist a few people who you cannot hurt with such words.

now you have offended persons who have a certain sexual orientation. I am not at liberty to discuss such matters, but you should not violate federal law and show that you discriminate against persons who hold a different social view of who should be a sexual partner.

I know that many people in special forces use the term brother, but I am not your brother. I trained alone. Only once for a few weeks did I train with persons who were in the military (and I was not in the military at the time). I have never been special forces, and would not want to be, since they would only slow me down. I know what my abilities are, and do not know what the (rest of any) team could do, so uncertainty would not allow the most effective use of time/resources, and such actions would be dangerous.

again I do not want your money.

my point of saying laugh it up, was the I respect and expect people to laugh when the admin or others make fun of me, in a way that is funny, but in a reasonable respectful way. I do not mind you laughing, not at my expense, for it cannot be about me, if I did not cause it to happen, that you or the admin would put a funny avatar with me is just lack of respect toward me, and shows that they or you or whoever does so is silly enough to not believe or know the truth when they hear it. Better for surprise.

I do not need to warm up for combat. I am not limited to your abilities. My automated defenses continue at all times. So you think you can scratch my coat of paint, huh? What body shop do you use after combat? Oh wait you said you have scars, so you do not.

strange I do not get the idea that you care about my safety from your comments about those who want me dead, perhaps I misunderstood again.

that is me bag of hot wind. Useless drivel is all I ever say. (maybe not, at least I hope sometimes what I say has some value. But I could be wrong).

I have been wrong before. I will be wrong again.

for someone who has won so many awards for fighting you seem like you have a lot of pent up rage, still?

yes I am so bored I continue to look for words on dictionary.com
(so kids continue to impress your family increase your vocabulary knowledge today) - yet another advertisement for educating today's youth, I may not find any principal smart enough to hire me as a teacher but that will not stop me from teaching the youth how they should improve themselves. If I cannot get money for helping the youth of today I will give free answers on askmehelpdesk.com, take that stupid principals of the world! Wait you are also not a principal are you?

sounds like a lot of awards, you must be really hard working, dedicated, and certainly erudite. Let's see do I want to give the man my address so he can beat me up or do I want to not? Tough choice. I am still trying to think about it. Can you see the smoke coming forth? Do I need to pull the fire alarm or will it stop smoking when I try to think? Or perhaps I could somehow miracle of miracles win, now that would be stupid, and certainly not a good thing. Think of how your fans would react. Oh wait it is ufc, I think I called it upc or something earlier, sorry. I am bad with names.

no, if you tripped and fell and knocked yourself out (somehow) when walking toward me (about 20 feet away) your fans would still be so obsessive as to take up your name and honor and then I would have a really long line of people to fight. Do you not know the story of the person who after beating everyone easily at the yearly fight in china, had to continue to prove himself to everyone who did not get to go to the event, and even though he could win against anyone, he allowed someone to eventually think they had won by letting himself (pretend to) lose, you see the monks were right to not want to let him go to the event, because they knew what would happen, and then the students asked what happened to the monk who could not be beat, and the teacher pointed out it was he himself.

you obviously are great. Why do you think beating up on me would do anything for your reputation. Even if somehow I win (,since I am discussing this from the point of view of that you could actually harm me) what would be the point. I would not get your money, or your fame, nor would I want any of your money or your fame. I do not want to be known. If I wanted such things I can (or do already) have them. Certainly you are only making me more famous/infamous by even posting anything to me. Stop wasting time with such as me. I am obviously not worthy. Contrariwise if I am worthy, and my stories are true then you are not worthy. So why would I bother with fighting you. You see a person with a pea shooter is not a threat to a tank.
a pea in a sipping staw is not going to harm a tank no matter how much the person draws in their breath before they shoot the pea at the tank. Oh, it may make a louder sound as it bounces off, but that does not mean it actually dented or chipped even the paint on the tank. It is merely a fact that if my stories are true, you would have no chance, and would obviously break some of your bones if you hit me, if I stood there and did not dodge to save you pain and suffering. Indeed people have broken their own bones before while using the mount (with/or/and other techniques), since I was bored enough to allow them to try that, and I warned them not to exert pressure because it was their bones that would break not mine, but sometimes people won't listen. People can be very stubborn. Oh well. Did you include an email I can email you at? I did not notice it, sorry. In case I choose to tell you something I would not like to print here.

Don't you like how, all of a sudden, he learns how to remove the avatar?

How come a man with a pea shooter (you unarmed) can in fact hurt a tank (7 armed people, at least 4 with guns, all but one at least twice your weight)? You're contradicting yourself!

Sorry I did not realize I removed the avatar, but I was hoping/trying to, so maybe I got lucky and hit the right button for it to go away.

My point was that a average person armed with a pea shooter could not hurt a tank, or even a slightly more than average person could not hurt that tank so armed. I did not say which of the two people I was comparing, myself and whoever that is who was posting questions to me, which is the one holding the pea shooter, and which one is the tank, but you point out I have survived attacks by several at once, included those armed with guns, so perhaps you can figure out which one of us is the tank after all.

I wonder how many times the guy writing me has defeated several people armed with guns? Hummm? I never heard about them using guns on ufc. Maybe he just has not had the chance to fight people armed with guns. He might do quite well, no wait he does not believe anyone can fight multiple people at once, much less people with guns, and logically anyone must include himself. So sad. Perhaps you will get a chance to fight people with guns in the future, or do you think that would make a TV show? Gun fights of the ultimate fighting persons? No, nah too boring. Some gunfights take about a quarter of a second and those are the long ones. 29 minutes and 45 seconds of sports commentary would be too much, after 14.75 seconds of action for the falling down, and checking to see if anyone still alive.

Actually all of them but one, out of 11, were at least twice my weight, and that particular group did not have guns, but they had other deadly weapons, until I starting disarming them. I was aged 8 and they were 8,11,12,13,13,14,15,16,17,18,19 and at least five of them got jail or prison time for that one attack on me. So goes life. Have a nice day. Perhaps you could include your email address so I could write to you privately, so as to not say anything on here that might violate someone else's privacy. i.e. can I tell you something quietly?

Certainly at least seven in another incident, at least four of them armed with guns tried to 'harm' me, funny how they feel when they become disarmed, seems to change some of their minds. Not sure why. Would you change you mind about how hostile you were toward someone just because they have your life in their hand, instead of you thinking you can kill them at will? I mean if you are acting in good faith, and treating people respectfully, you do not need to fear when the shoe is on the other foot, but if you are treating people badly, and trying to kill them without a reason, it might be wise to fear what happens when they get the upper hand. Turnabout is fairplay.

yes the real story that I am so superior to you that it would not be a contest is true. I am sorry to have to be the one to tell you.

good. It is good to laugh. There do exist those who know me, and know my abilities, so he who laughs last laughs hardest.

I do not use phone sex lines. I have never even seen an inflatable woman. Leviticus 13:40-41 explains thaat being bald is not disease, nor bad.
since you cannot beat me up, even if I did meet you, so you insult, typical.

you obviously do not value life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

I wanted to upload a wav file for you to hear, but it is too large.

Don't you like how, all of a sudden, he learns how to remove the avatar?

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHhhahahahhahahahahahahha ha!

I just found the private message sending and getting section of askmehelpdesk.com and I recommend everyone change their settings to be able to use it, since it is private email or messages, and like that.

Hope everyone is having a fun filled day.

Be well. Be safe.

I received your private message, went to the site to download that sound file and have one question... are you 15 years old?

Woohoo!

This is a true test!

If you want to see how EAWoodall will dodge this question, watch us again in 2 hours, for another lengthy reply explaining how we cannot understand martial arts for we are weak and dumb, and how a true martial artist would never reveal such a secret to the world, because a true master needs no fame!

Watch us again for new hot replies on this subject... or die! :D

Hahahahahahahhahaha, I'm having such a good laugh out of this! :D LOL! :D

Lets see, I sent a private message to d.severn only, not the world.

So it would not hurt the privacy of anyone else but myself.

Does not sound like I wanted fame or anyone to know about it but one person, and that one person personally knows, and could privately quietly email/phone them to confirm what I said.

Explicitly I asked d. severn to not tell anyone EVER.

Obviously d. severn is not someone who is willing to keep private matters private. I would never have mentioned that certain people have a certain code words they use before any fight, because I feel the less information people who have never been physically around someone the better.

I did not claim to beat up someone, I claimed they hurt themselves when they hit me, and so they did not continue the fight. Someone has a career of professional fighting to worry about, and cannot risk injury on people such as myself. Some would call that winning the fight, I do not know. Of course perhaps since I have never seen ufc the person was an imposter. If it was an imposter I apologize to the great someone who has been wronged by them, not me, for I did not know it was not them, sorry.

I hinted that I already have more fame than you can imagine, so I do not need more fame from you or anyone else knowing about me. I just wanted d. severn to have someone to verify that someone has seen me do things that martial arts masters do. I did not ask them to verify the unbelievable things.

Oh well, what is the point? People either believe or they don't. You can only choose to accept what is true or you choose to believe a lie. I can only show you the path, you have to choose to walk it or not. I do not jump through hoops, I do not verify. That would just fuel the fire. Better to have no one believe me than to continue trying to prove anything.

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Thank you needkarma for listening to the wav file, enjoy. No I actually am old.

actually that is two swat teams plus others with them, multiple times (when people should not be bothering you to begin with they leave, soon).

no, when eight I out fought a bunch of other kids some with weapons, their ages were: 8,11,12,13,13,14,15,16,17,18,19 (they were a big family).

now, there was another event about the persons where several were armed.
doesn't matter.

I did not cave in a grandmaster's chest at 4, I caved in the chest of a guy who was jealous of me for being better at martial arts than him (and he was stupid enough to think I would sit still for him trying to shoot me), but I had been studying for years and he had only been studying for weeks, so it was not a contest. Some people fear attack dogs and they weigh what kids do.
couldn't any martial arts student with years of training defeat someone new?

well the part of the building I was in did not have the 30 foot ceiling the rest of the building had in it, it was maybe 15 foot ceiling and I did not hit the ceiling, and I cheated by jumping off a desk (although I am pretty sure it did not look like I jumped from the desk). So I might have jumped a few feet, but since I was upside down, it left shoe marks near the ceiling, so 15 - about 6 ft height of person upside down- height of desk 2.5 feet - height of person right side up= so I may have had to jump at least (15-14.5=) 6 inches off the ground, maybe more to leave a mark on the wall near the ceiling, no big deal,
I did not even do a back flip, I did a half reverse flip (ie I just leaned forward), so I was chest to the wall, just a trick really. I am just not impressive.

I did not get cut by the throwing stars, I happened to catch them lucky enough that I was not hurt, not that I have practiced that before or since. I am just not impressive.

I guess I have just been lucky. Sheer luck. Miracle that I still alive obviously.

so lets review: no one believes me, oh well. I am just lucky, and technically I have told you the truth, but not pointed out all the details every time.

Dok lee original book on eBay right now.

Dan, you never told us how he dodged the "phrase before the fight" question...

or perhaps it really was royce, and since I don't jump through hoops, I am not telling you what he said before. But that is between him and me.

you should appreciate me for who I am. The great person I seem to be. Yes I am greater than you can comprehend! Thank you, and thank God. I keep telling you the truth, and you continue to doubt 1 + 1 = 2 . Oh well.

(until today I had never read any books by or about bruce lee.)
I 08/21/2005 read a half dozen books about/by bruce lee. Now do you recall that dr. bill explained that a "famous martial artist's wife" learned hikuta directly from Dok Lee (I was also told that by Dok Lee in person). Have you read by/about bruce lee? You do know that "the famous martial artist's wife" could have told/explained hikuta to bruce lee through a extremely short chain of people, if not in person.

if you understood hikuta, you would see that is what bruce lee was talking about calling it jeet kune do, but he learned it second hand, not from a DOK, so he made some mistakes.

thank you for not being interested in learning hikuta, because it is well you do not want to learn. No trying to teach those with no interest in learning.

the other person who was in a world type event will remain nameless since they also hurt themselves when they hit me.

that the truth you fail to believe, is the simpliest of all is the amazing part.
remember my abilities do not start or stop on being the only DOK alive,
perhaps that is why I find it so easy to win, or I pretend that I have lost so people will leave me alone (even acting hurt sometimes). The truth will find you out. It is not my words that have weight, but the truth behind them.

I still want to not have to beat you up, but we shall see if you recall any of my words, and have learned from them? Certainly in certain cultures insane people are considered holy, and so no one attacks them, so perhaps you would leave me alone for that reason? Or if you have learned I am right.

As a person who has worked with the mentally ill on different jobs, I understand your concern because my life experiences are not your life experiences.

I have seen doctors so ignorant that they did not know hovercrafts were not science fiction, and so put a person in a mental hospital because they (had worked on them in the navy, and) wanted to build one when they got home.

So your unbelief is expected. Do not presume.

But what you believe does not change what is true. Think about it.

It is not that any of you are mentally ill because you do not believe me, it is that you have not proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am telling you the truth. If you believed me, then it would be mentally ill to want to fight me.
Since you do not believe my words, it is healthy to not continue to bring up or dredge stories that go beyond mortal belief, indeed the legends of old are often nothing more than men who did such heroic things that they are hard to believe. And if someone were mentally ill it is better to not beat upon them.

Perhaps you see that I can tell a good story though? Humm? Maybe I was telling the truth about movies.tv shows, songs? Or maybe it all is true. Be safe

Don't you just love it how he first claims he has beaten Royce, then he says someone was impersonating him, and then, all of a sudden, he puts a cloak of mystery upon the whole story by saying it might have been Royce after all, but he's just not jumping through hoops and does not want any fame for beating people up, so he'll just say it might have been Royce... gotta love that! :)

This troll has basically been busted. Actually I kind of wish it was a troll. This woodall character despererately wants people to believe that he is some kind of martial arts killer (read this thread from the beginning). Unfortunately the truth seems to be that he is some sort of overweight housebound kid with an overactive imagination who seems to have issues with separating fantasy from reality. It's too bad he removed his pic from his profile - anyone seeing that would surely fear only for the food they were holding.

I never said it was an imposter, I said it might have been. Large difference.
whether it was royce or not does not matter to me, whoever they were they showed at my place of work, trying to test me to see if I was a master
(whoever they were they left believing I am a master of martial arts).
you see I never wanted to bring royce into this at all, but d.severn wanted to by bringing a private message public. And what I did to the person who claimed they were royce was allow them to harm themselves by hitting me. Sometimes people hit people where (or how) they expect for people to move, but if a person does not react or fall down then the person doing the hitting hurts themselves. There are two major ways in martial arts -- light or heavy, if you stand heavy you resist being moved, or any effect even if someone landed on you, if you stand light even a fly will cause you to fall over. As a martial artist who knows both techniques I can choose to do either.

no I do not need people to believe me. That some are smart enough to know the truth is a good thing, but you never need believe me. Believe whatever you want, people will anyway. No amount of words or actions will ever convince anyone of anything. Belief is a choice, it does not have to do with evidence, or proof. First you must have faith, then you must actually choose to trust in that faith to believe. You may have faith a chair will support your weight, but until you sit in it you are not believing that the chair will. You may have faith in a parachute, but until you pull the ripcord (while on a jump out of the plane), you are not yet believing in it. You can have faith that the brakes in the car will stop the car, but until you apply them you are not believing they do. You can have faith you have a certain amount of money in the bank, but until you write the check (sign and give to someone to pay) you are not yet believing there is enough money in the bank to cover it.

that was funny, what you wrote nk, I laughed.

perhaps bruce lee came up with 'jeet kune do' on his own, who will ever know.
if he did then bruce lee like Dok Lee must have been a great man (per Dr. Bill) since they both from scratch came up with a 'new' martial art that some value as being effective, and powerful. Or maybe not, maybe they both were just teaching an old, effective, powerful martial art that a lot of people did not know. So some people thought it was 'new' because they personally had not heard about it, because they had not experienced it before. How many people in the west thought karate, gung fu, etc was a 'new' thing in the 60s after bruce lee, and TV shows made it popular.

believe what you want, discard the rest.

Since we have passed the point at which belief is no longer an issue. I might as well tell you some more.

Kuta can also teach you to increase your strength in weight lifting, and exercise techniques. The heaviest weight I have ever worked out with on a regular basis was slightly over 1640 tons. I know, sometimes twice a day (or more) working with 1640 tons sounds like a strain on the muscles, but really it is just a matter of building up to it, like all muscle building. We started with over 2 dozen working it, then we slowly decreased how many would be exercising it, until finally I was the only one moving it by myself. Do not try this at home children, muscle strain can result from trying to move over your maximum weight. Do not hurt yourself to impress eawoodall. It can takes months if not years to develop your muscles to the point you could safely do this workout. Remember you want to build endurance as well as strength. Slow twitch as well as fast twitch muscle needs to be trained to do more. Of course most people don't have a 1640 ton object lying around at home, I would think. Maybe you could use two 820 ton objects, or math equivalent.

Another real danger when working with such a massive object is even the safety equipment weighs more than you do. When your safety equipment fails, you have to catch an object weighing more than you, moving at more than 700 feet per second, so it is not for the slow. Of course when the safety equipment works fine, all is great. Safety first after all, you do not want to damage your 1640 ton work out object, or be hurt after all. Although I would be hard pressed to think of a way the equipment could have hurt me.

I remember one failure of safety equipment that caused both my arms to be trapped under strain between the S curve and my arms went through what looked like a cartoon contortion, peeled the paint right off the S, but I pulled back, and so did not hurt the equipment, and once I passed the S my arms 'popped' back out cartoon like, and were unhurt, but we had to repaint the S, since my arms scrapped the paint off it.

Of course the sad part is, I am still just telling you the truth.

I am not trolling, whatever that is. I am merely telling you truth whether you like it or not. If you do not want to hear the truth, do not ask me questions.
I will stop answering when you stop asking. As I have said before I do not think of myself as a super hero, although some people who know me have accused me of being one, but that was a personal problem of theirs.

Why does not the admin ban you for 1.asking silly questions, or 2.doubting one of the experts on askmehelpdesk. I really wanted to stop this thread (lock it) several pages ago, but I do not have the power to lock a thread, even though it said somewhere in the expert faq that some experts can lock threads to not allow more questions. I either do not know how, or am not high enough as an expert to lock a thread.

Some of the people who were trying to rob a bank, when they met me, after they told the judge what happened, well they needed someone to explain to the judge they were not crazy, they actually saw what really happened, and the person testified that such people as myself do exist, and whatever super hero name they wanted to use to describe what I did would be okay. That there are people who protect and defend freedom, and justice, and liberty, without cost, with honor, integrity, and the american way of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, so help us God.

If they do ban me for the truth, may you live in ignorance, you have chosen.

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some of the people who were trying to rob a bank, when they met me, after they told the judge what happened, well they needed someone to explain to the judge they were not crazy, they actually saw what really happened, and the person testified that such people as myself do exist, and whatever super hero name they wanted to use to describe what i did would be okay. that there are people who protect and defend freedom, and justice, and liberty, without cost, with honor, integrity, and the american way of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, so help us God.
This is a good example of someone who has lost touch with reality. Instead of pursing a somewhat meaningful life they spend their time posting as an alter ego on anonymous internet message boards. He's not a troll, just a sad loser in this game of life.

In the military (ever heard of the military or did I just make it up?),
There can exist things that are called orders (ever heard of people making people do things? Or did I just make it up?),
And some people who give orders want people to do things that are not average (like work out with 1640 tons). So let's review did I want to exercise with 1640 tons, not particularly, was I ordered to do so, yes.
In the military you have to obey lawful orders.
Now, I thought it might be difficult to work out with 1640 tons, but after I saw someone else do it, then I felt "if he can do it, i can do it."

Military has this thing called a navy (ever heard of it or did I just make it up?)

The navy has things called ships (ever heard of it or did I just make it up?)

Naval vessels (ships) are often heavy, especially if they are more than a football field in length, some of them might even weigh, oh 1640 tons more or less, with crew and equipment, and all. Consult jane's fighting ships reference.

Ships floating in water have very little friction, so no matter how heavy it is, it is easy to move, especially if you are just slacking the lines (ropes), and moving it 50 or 100 feet down the pier, it does not take more than one man a few seconds of pulling on one line to move it that distance, no it doesn't move the whole distance in a few seconds but the momentum carries it along for a long time, after you stop pulling. So lets review, slack the lines, move one line down the pier, and connect it where you want ship moved to, then take up line (PULL!) to move it there, not a big deal.

Yes I have moved a train before (only a engine and two empty cars), but honestly the train was tougher than the ship. Train has way too much friction.

So there now you have another explanation to show I am not that great.

I once broke 46 heavy gauge steel chains in 14 minutes. I didn't want to, I had to - to save my life and the lives of others. Some consider me a hero but it was just adrenaline.

Being a hero is not about what you think of you saving other people's lives, but what they think. They are the ones who are sincere in appreciation toward you for them being alive.

Not everyone gets an adrenal rush, and saves the day. Sometimes people die because people chicken out, so do not belittle your accomplishment of survival against the odds, and difficult circumstances.

The more you end up having to do to survive the easier it is to survive. Because what most people cannot get a running start at, is something you have done before under the same or worst conditions. That is why experience and training is a better teacher than just training, because when you know you have done it before, you are not likely to doubt that you can at least try (to do it again). Best wishes in any future problems that you are better prepared for because you know you have contested and won, previously.

Once or twice I have done something that someone said saved a life or more.
And I agree there is no reason to brag, you just worry about survival and doing the right thing, and you often will be doing a truly heroic thing.

There is a kuta event being held by al abidin oct 28, 29 in California. This is the opportunity for anyone with knowledge of kuta to share with everyone and stop the nonsense. I claim to be the oldest practicing exponent of kuta and a direct student of Lee. I am not saying I am the best. I have never met anyone else who knows it. If you are telling the truth, woodall, please come and share (and apologies are in order). If you come and have not been telling the truth- there will be no hard feelings or violence ( I will personally guarantee that).As for Severn, he is a very accomplished mixed-martial arts champion and if anything works on him, it would be a miracle. I don't train to fight martial arts and boxing champions, just the usual out-of-hand fools I meet in my daily life. Kuta works, I guarantee it, but nothing is magic. I am willing to put up or shut up and at least show what I was taught to whoever is interested. Dr. L.William Pogue, Detroit, Michigan 248 765 6202

Woodall- I do not know how to rely to your private message. You may call me to find out about the event or email me at [email protected] b

I attended Al Abidin's kuta event in California. It was a valuable experience. I then held a seminar in Louisiana for the Isshinryu Karate Association Master's Meeting. Each event had about 10 participants. There is no doubt in anyones's mind as to the power of the kuta strike. There is no magical instant self-defense and everything takes time and practice, but kuta can be learned faster than anything known at this point. I would doubt that a person with no training and no natural fighting ability could learn kuta in a weekend and be able to use it. I t takes time to get this into your physiology. It has great value and can be used with other fighting methods- it will supercharge karate , for instance. I am in Detroit and will gladly talk to anyone about this and demonstate for you. I am not as athletic as Al or Jack and am a lot older, but it would be unlikely that anyone my age could do what I can do. I am the oldest known active practitioner of kuta and the oldest known student of Dok Lee ( not his real name and hikuta is not the name of the art as I learned it). I am scheduled to teach a seminar for the Isshinryu Karate Master's Group in Michigan in January. At this point I restrict my teaching to masters of isshinryu with some exceptions. I will train disabled persons for free . I will train anyone over 60 and women 16 and older. I am not sure what to make of woodall, he seems to have known lee, but uses the term hikuta, so he is a contradiction. I can tell you all that Al Abidin is an honorable person who is dedicated to growing kuta, which I am. If you go to Al's website, you will see instructors in your area. I highly recommend Perry Blouin as well (don't let him hit you, please) Dr. Bill Pogue 248 765 6202

to sum up:

if I call it something else, will anyone know what I mean? Or to misquote the bard would it smell as sweet? As I continue to say, I am not here to verify anything I say. I say it, and you believe it or not. Faith is all you have to take my word for anything.

true I did not have the money available to go to the AL event, and I wanted to originally go, but eventually I decided I don't want to become a student of AL, or his students. I was never a student of Dok Lee, but I after years of training with other instructors, I happened to met Lee and defeat him. Obviously Lee thought I was new to whatever you choose to call this martial art, since he only knew about me being exposed to it for a 7 day period, when I happened to win that day. Dok Lee thought I and only I was worthy of the title DOK, but that is probably because he thought I was new at it, and yet beat him.

I try to not be a contradiction, but I also try to not prove anything. I know free will and this is askmehelpdesk and I can volunteer any info I want, and leave out the other details, or information I want to restrict.

My life is private, and I appreciate you doubting me, dr. bill and go on testing things to see if they are real or not, be sure in what you believe, and in who you trust, because it is safer to know in whom you trust.

the lesson for the rest of you is to be sure those you choose as teachers have to teach what you want to learn. Although it would be fun I doubt there is much point in meeting with dr. bill or Al or others because I am not someone who finds togetherness in martial arts needed or even wanted at times. Sameness will not always be the best way. I am glad you had fun, and things went well. My hope is that shared burdens are eased burdens.
eawoodall

I guess one of the reasons I think that togetherness in martial arts is not always the best way is because people do have different strengths and weaknesses, and additional abilities or aptitudes in certain areas can cause personal strengths that others who might train with them do not have, and it would be a mistake as an instructor to teach techniques that YOU can do well, and do marvelous things with, but your students can not do.

when teaching it is what the students can learn to do well that should be taught, not your personal favorites, not what you do well.

of course I do not have any students right now, and although I offered to teach recently, none choose to take me up on that offer, so I have not taught anyone substantially in over 20 years. And it is probably for the best, because I am just one man, and even bruce lee choose to close his schools.

Hello. Ive never heard of Kuta before. How old do you think someone should start in that or any other self defense? Im wondering about is 5 or 6 years old maybe old enough. Everyone seems to have different opinions on that but I think you would know better.

I will somewhat agree

All of the people I have dealt with in Martial Arts are very proud of who their teaches are ( unless of course their teaches are not someone to be proud of) and they enjoy discussing their school and so on.

I assume this "air" of mystery makes it all sound more appealing to the novice and may make a good book to TV story.

Please remember in the end, martial arts training is that of body, mind and soul. One is not taught to do harm to anyone but to protect the peace of life and the inner peace of the person. Yes great violence can be done with the art, but the training includes the training to avoid having to use it also.

Most very young children are not ready to start martial arts.

Martial arts takes a serious mind (to duplicate or learn what one experiences)

Martial arts takes a proper attitude (not to use to harm others)

Development or progression takes even more dedication, and is not common in the young.

But many great martial artists have started younger, even in sports when the persons starts at a younger age they are ahead of the game. So although I started very early that does not mean everyone should, or that it is too late for those who start much later to begin.

One of the big problems some have when starting young is the development of the body, and the need to be extra careful because of the needs of proper growth. Do not massively overwork the muscles of children, or cause damage that will continue the rest of their life. Joints and tendons must be treated properly. Children can understate injury, and must be observed for a fine line between dedication and obsession even while hurt severely can be crossed too easily.

But a no pressure, ease of teaching system can develop some skills, and a proper attitude toward the use of martial arts, and some light exercise to slowly train small bodies in physical activities, and use of some of their extra energy can be a form of recess or group activity to get the students moving.

Not everyone has to progress at the same pace, or seriousness.

The "air" of mystery is not a story plot, but simply me saving more for later, not revealing all as it were. Some people are amazed at different things.

I appreciate your answer. I definitely will wait until they are ready and can show me they understand. Thank you. :)

What is the principle of kuta?
Where can I learn the princips if none here can tell?
:confused:

Dok Lee was known for saying quote, "knowledge replaces fear",and "movement causes movement".

Then again perhaps if you started the children on (in this order):
* situational awareness (to not look like a victim)
* moves to get away (to not be held or trapped)
* lower levels of force techniques (to move but not break)
And explain that the less force (needed) in any situation the better.
Since at least the first two may be needed once they get to school perhaps you should teach the five year olds those basics at least?

In physics when objects move, and interact there are certain ways of understanding, we use these physics concepts to quantify how it happens.
Please do a search for hikuta using the search at the top of the page here, and you will see "martial arts and physics?", also answered by me, that series of posts should explain more.

So I can just start learning Hikuta by reading this post from beginning to end??
I don't think so...
I can't get a teacher, can't buy any books. Have to read on the web.
I need a tutorial. I have found tutorials for all other skills but Hikuta.
I have heard that you need a teacher, but I have learn a lot without.
Where to start?
Where can I find the ultimate "To learn this, first do this and that...etc"?

I didn't say you could learn hikuta by reading the whole post. Perhaps many questions you have about hikuta could be answered by reading the whole post, but some people have deleted their accounts or changed the question so sometimes the questions that I am answering in the post are no longer there, so it can be confusing.

Remember hikuta is not the only martial art,and they all have their place.
Many skills that can be used do not have to be fighting techniques per se.

First like my last answer, start where a five year old would start:

Become situationally aware (to not look like a victim), pay attention to what is happening around you, and allow others to see that you know what is happening, perhaps they might bother someone who is not paying attention.
Watching for strangers.

Learn moves to get away (to not be held or trapped), even dance teaches how to move, and some dance moves can be used to avoid certain holds or traps, as well as getting out of the way of a charge.

Learn lower levels of force techniques (to move but not break), pushing away from someone. Does not partner roller skating teach push offs?

Learn that the less force (or deadly force needed) in any situation the better.
Study local laws and be careful to obey. Do not get yourself in trouble.

To learn you first must be ready to begin learning, and patience can be useful in any area of study, because quick study does not always mean good study.
How long you retain knowledge varies with amount of emotion, methods used to learn, methods used to remember. Multiple learning techniques are often best but life is not all about learning at a rapid pace, so sometimes refamiliarization with material can be fun and profitable. Write a poem about it, view it as a student would by writing a lesson plan on how to teach it, etc.
Willingness to learn, and a proper learning environment, where you can focus on what you need to learn without distraction, often help.

If you get a paper route, or sell some items on eBay, or save up money from lunch money you don't spend, or whatever eventually you may be able to afford something that you can hold in your hands, and study without being online.

If you have read the history on the www.hikuta.net page, you have read that DOK lee trained some police woman for 20 min. They learned something, I don't know what, but that was not to move away, or low level moves. It must have been something else. A technique or some basic stuff. How to get that speed and power.
"Learn in 20 min" I have read. I have been looking for a"How to do it" document for hours and days. I have not found anything yet. Don't tell me to learn dancing, or to move away. How to get the power and speed? My question...
DOK lee used great power and speed in his "blows". How? If it just was basic karte punch training that gave him the power, then tell me so, but I don't think it was so.

Learning how to move naturally can be very quick. Because you should already know how to do it, you just do not know that you know how to do it.

Can you pull your hand off a hot stove? Then you can do hikuta.
Reverse the movement type. Reduce your 'moment arm' (reduce how much torque it requires to move). Use more momentum (mass times velocity).
Counter the separation force (impulse function) so that you stay in contact longer than normal to impart more force into the target. These are things you do in hikuta. It is difficult at best to explain over the internet what can be shown in person in a few seconds. By reading the whole posts you can learn what the physics terms I have used follow or how they are defined.

To review:
1.
Pulling your hand off a hot stove, good idea.
Reversing the movement so you can move that fast all the time, better idea.

2.
Reduce your 'moment arm' so for the same torque you do a multiplication of your old effort. Good idea.
Reduce your 'moment arm' ,and use more torque ("hot stove movement") so that you do a multiplication times multiplication of your old effect. Better idea.

3.
Use more mass (not just hand but entire body weight) to hit with. Good idea.
Use more mass times more acceleration (force) to hit with. Better idea.

4. not hitting anything hard enough to hurt yourself. Good idea.
Transfer the "strike" into the object struck so that you cannot be hurt because the separation force (impulse function) is countered by movement of an opposing direction such that no part of the "strike" remains in you (because you are in contact with the target long enough to impart) ALL of it into the target. Better idea.

More explaining :
#1 when the body has a certain amount of muscle tension, it can move at maximum speed, the trained know how to get to that tension peak. Your body can do it anytime it needs to do so. Most people move much faster when pulling their hand off a hot stove. Do not practice with a hot stove. Instead learn how fast you move with different amounts of muscle tension.

#2 ever see an ice skater start a spin? They have as much effort in that spin as they are ever going to have, then they bring in their arms, this reduces the 'moment arm' they suddenly spin many times faster, a multiplication of effect for the same effort.

#3 put your body weight into your effort, do not hit with just your hand, rotate you hips, shoulders, move feet, twist waist, lean, move toward your target, as you go from "no movement" to "finish of the strike". You entire body weighs 20-50 times what just your hand does? So you will hit with that much multiplied effect.

#4 do not lose contact too soon when you strike something to do so leaves a part of your effort still in you. Movement can be used to cause movement or to counter movement (by using different movement vectors), and when you strike something there is a separation force that when countered allows you to not be separated as quickly from the impact.

All of your effort combined, i.e. #1, #2, #3, #4 will multiply together to be even greater than any part would be alone. That is how I break trees.

I hope that this has helped.

Thank you so much! :)
That was just what I was looking for.

Hikuta Art of Controlled Violence by Dok Lee (vhs only, book not included)
eBay item number: 7207306797

On auction now on eBay!

This item is by dok lee who taught many of the people who teach hikuta now.
(I did not study with dok lee, but many did).

I am not associated with this auction , just wanted to help people if they want some more training information.

Is there a verision of that book on the web, free?
I think its sad that people can't learn without pay...
Information should be free!

I will provide copies of Lees' book or tape . They are of very limited value, but worth a look. I provide hands on training as do others . I provide my own cd to those who train with me. Al's tapes are good and jack's tapes are useful. I repeat- there is NO PROOF of anyone training before Lee. No one has offered any proof whatsoever of training with him , before him or with anyone else except him before 1969. Actually no one has provided proof of training with him between me(1969) and Al (1990's) either, although there must be some. The word hikuta and the term DOK are pretty much made up by Lee to sell books and tapes. The system has no name and the unique punch is called the kuta punch, so Lee (his nick name) called the system kuta. I trained with him when he lived on Courville in Detroit and still have the map he drew me on the back of my business card and my hand-written notes and diagrams . I will train interested parties under certain conditions. Dr. Bill Pogue 248 765 6202

Nothing's free- no free lunch, nothing. Get over it. I will give you one lesson free so you don't think the whole world is for sale

I respectfully disagree with dr. bill, I believe there is proof of others training before dok lee.
But I do not have permission to give out such proof, you have only my word to trust or not.

I believe dok lee's book and video are great! They are great resources, you can learn a lot by studying dok lee's book and video! I first got ahold of them over 18 years after I saw dok lee in person. And I enjoyed reviewing them, and dok lee does show people hikuta.

First I have heard Dr. bill trains anyone. Certainly dr. bill has the right to train people. He did study with dok lee, and is one of dok lee's oldest living students.

I have said before:
I trained before dr. bill did, but I was trained by others, not dok lee.

My teacher learned hikuta before even the teacher of dok lee learned hikuta, and it was years before that my teacher's master learned it.

I am not training anyone. I have no interest in training anyone. I get no money from such things, I have no videos, or books , or other resources , nor do I want to make any money to train anyone. I am happy that AL, or his student savage, or dr. bill train people, but I am not interested in that.

I have heard in japanese martial arts that the highest master never trains anyone, but lets lessor students teach. I see the beauty in that.

Have a nice day. Be safe.

Proof is proof- I hate to see kuta die out, but I only train special people as I said before, I have $5000 for anyone who can PROVE they learned kuta before me. I am pushing 60 and no one can show me anything better than kuta- I have been all over the world and no one in the orient is able to show anything better that is learnable within a year. There are great masters of everything, and most of them are better than me -- but they are just that MASTERS-- and even they have had a hard time with kuta. Some of those russian systema guys are phenomenal, but they are world-class masters and they have a tough time responding to the kuta hand. But everyone is willing to put up or shut up- they demonstrate and prove what they can do. Dr. Proved-it

Another dok lee hikuta vhs video on sale on eBay, if anyone wants to buy one

Kuta is allegedly an egyptian martial art. I learned it in 1969-1970 from DokLee( not his real name). I am the oldest living practitioner still active. I know two other men who trained before me, but neither have done it in years.

No, you didn't. Lee Crull published his Hikuta materials in the early 1990s and their total doesn't exactly represent a lifetime of wheezing effort in the field of self-defense.

Everything you could ever want to know about this contrived exercise in separating you from your allegedly ancient Egyptian po

http://www.themartialist.com/pecom/hikutahand.htm

http://www.themartialist.com/pecom/hikutavideo.htm

http://www.themartialist.com/0704/jacksavage.htm

http://www.themartialist.com/1003/hikuta.htm

http://www.themartialist.com/1203/hikutaagain.htm

Of course phil continues in ignorance listening to people who were not there. Who never saw the person in a wheelchair on the tonight show in the mid 1970s doing hikuta, and calling it that. Who never trained when I did, even before drbill trained and I trained from people other than dok lee.
But sad that so many in traditional martial arts have to spend so much time trying to disprove the facts. Got to wonder why they are so hung up on trying to disprove hikuta, I mean if it really did not work would they bother? Would they care? As I have said before if an enemy was in ignorance about a martial arts style that did not train people in anything would you tell your enemy? Would you correct the mistake? Are they trying to be so fair and kind that since they believe hikuta teaches nothing that they want everyone to know it? Or are they just trying to get more students paying them big bucks for years of constant income for them every month. Week after week? Hum I wonder? Do you wonder? I do not teach currently, but I have offered on occasion to help some lessor students in various arts, cannot seem to find anyone who will actually take me up on the offer though. Sadly I try not to teach the ungrateful. Phil's opinion can never change the facts, just himself.

It never happened and you know it never happened, or you'd provide a copy of the video.

You need serious mental help.

I do not work for the tonight show, or the network that it is on, or was on at that time if different. I did not own a vcr in the mid 70s, nor did I know in advance that a man in a wheelchair would be on with j carson that night. I had no way to film it, or did at that time or do now care to prove anything to anyone. If you cannot write a letter and ask the people who have the proof then you do not want to know. If I presented any video, someone would think it is fake. Better to let those who I do not know present the facts.

If it had ever really happened, somebody would be able to produce the footage, or verify with some sort of transcript that the episode had taken place. It didn't. It never did. You're either lying or, in your delusions, passing on things that you want to believe. Either way, you need help.

The problem is phil, that a fellow student mentioned to me, that the man was on the tonight show, after I saw the show. So I know at least one other person who saw it at the time. That student did not know I knew hikuta already, and offered to teach me what he and his dad had learned from dok lee, that was the week the man in the wheelchair was on the tonight show.
I let that student and his dad believe they were teaching me hikuta, but when dok lee showed up and told them not to teach anyone, or say that they were doks ever again, dok lee thinking I had only been learning hikuta for a very short time was not ready for me. He wanted to see what I knew of hikuta, and I defeated him. And he (thinking I had only been doing it a short time) said I and only I was worthy of the title of DOK.

You phil presume a lot when you in ignorance make the mistake of thinking something you did not see did not happen. Did you see sally fields get hit with a whipped cream pie, because she did on another episode of the tonight show, and then she repaid in kind. Did someone sign the declaration of independence you did not see it with your own eyes, so do you believe it happened? Do you believe in magnetism? You cannot see magnetic lines of force, but they do exist don't they? Science seems to think so. Can you see air? But your lungs might notice if there was not any, humm? Ah, what is the point, you have your mind made up, you won't listen. Good luck. Don't write.

No, you haven't seen it and a fellow student didn't mention it to you. It never happened. Until you can provide a transcript from the show or a clip of the video, you will never have any proof that it did. Your analogies are meaningless; your logic is deeply flawed. The fact is that Hikuta is a made-up martial art that was created in the early 1990s and has none of the historical credibility -- in ancient times or in contemporary media -- that Hikuta practitioners try to pretend it has. It worries me that there are people willing to embrace such an obvious sham. With luck, anyone reading this will see for themselves how obviously unstable you are and will understand your point of view for what it is -- a complete fantasy.

Yes, Phil, Mr. Woodall is quite entertaining. You missed the earlier fun when he had his picture up as his avatar. The image showed a man that spent much more time laying on a couch and eating fast food than a master of a martial art. I mean who would be more apt to believe - a guy who looks like Bruce Lee or someone who looks like Orsen Welles?

I guess it would depend on which one of them thought he was "the highest ranked martial artist in the world." I don't care if you have abs of steel and can chew through a car tire -- if you say things like that, you're nuttier than a Snickers.

No, you didn't. I don't believe you.

Let's say, however, for the sake of argument, that you are being absolutely honest when you say, "hikuta is a name he made up along with some of the other origins and other stories., such as "DOK" and all that crap." How or why should we trust anyone who was willing to deceive people in order to make his self-defense system more marketable? If Hikuta or kuta is as "real" as you would like us to think it is, he should have been able to teach it to others without lying.

No, Hikuta and Kuta are not real. They do not extend into the mists of prehistory. They do not even stretch back past the late 1980s, if that. Anyone honestly believing he or she is a Hikuta or Kuta practitioner is fooling himself.

Lee passed on the kuta flame to Al Abidin and he is trying to develop it in a professional manner. I am trying to help the best I can and so is Perry Blouin. I am pushing 60 and can't do what a young man can do, but there are VERY few old men like me that can do what I can do. I only train certain high-level Isshinryu karate black belts and a few special exceptions because i want to develop instuctors who have been in serious confrontations and can speak from a position of authority.


Hey Bill,
Great training at the Masters intro class.
That was one of the best trainings I've ever been to.
I was really impressed by how easily and powerfully you were able to hit multiple opponents in a group attack.

You say you're getting old... what were you like in your 30's?? WOW!
I'm seeing a fair amount of negative press around our art these days, that's a real shame, because it's keeping people from learning a very useful fighting art all due to some misunderstanding, bad blood and internet banter.

As you've said Lee was not someone very willing to share the secrets to his incredible speed and power. And, as you also know, if he trained someone they were pretty much in for a beating.
You have to admit it was extremely effective.

Myself I couldn't care less if he developed it in his back yard "everything has a beginning" and Kuta is no exception. But, I do care about how great it works.


I believe Al Abidin is holding a seminar in April he sometimes offers real sceptics a money back guarantee if they attend and can't see the value (which has never happened).

The old saying goes "you can lead a horse to water but... you can't make it drink"!


Just wanted to say great training and it was good to see you again.
Keep up the good work

ATB!

Perry

I believe Al Abidin is holding a seminar in April he sometimes offers real sceptics a money back guarantee if they attend and can't see the value (which has never happened). Hi,
Please post the date and location (a link would be nice) because I want to attend.

Thanks for the heads up!

Myself I couldn't care less if he developed it in his back yard "everything has a beginning" and Kuta is no exception.

That wouldn't matter to me, either. It worries me when someone does that and then lies about it, however.

Hi,
Please post the date and location (a link would be nice) because I want to attend.

Thanks for the heads up!



You can get more details about the seminar by contacting Al Abidin at: [email protected]

The Big Kuta Seminar, is on Friday, April 14 and Saturday April 15, 2006,

At John S. Todd Community Center at Mayfair Park at 5720 Clark Ave. Lakewood, California, USA.

Please contact Al by email I don't want to publish his phone number without first asking him but, if you email him and ask for a return call I'm sure he'll call.

You'll find him to be a very mild mannered gentleman

ATB!
Perry

PS: I recommend Drbill as a very good teacher (with over 35 years "full contact" competition and training experience) but he doesn't often train anyone less then 4th degree black belt anymore and he's considering moving that up to 6th degree as the entry point.

PPS: I might hold a seminar in Indianapolis, Indiana late spring or early summer (haven't decided) but it would be for a more experienced type of martial artist. The style or art you practice doesn't matter to me. I'm also in my 50's and want to art to pass on to people who are not going to let it die-off!

Limiting one's training to only those of a specific arbitrary rank in other styles doesn't make a lot of sense in the context of Hikuta training, does it? I mean, the system is marketed as being far and away better and different than other martial arts, much easier to learn and to apply. You can't have it both ways.

Limiting one's training to only those of a specific arbitrary rank in other styles doesn't make a lot of sense in the context of Hikuta training, does it? I mean, the system is marketed as being far and away better and different than other martial arts, much easier to learn and to apply. You can't have it both ways.



Phil,
You're right Kuta is an art that can be learned quite easily... but, still needs practice. And, Al Abdin teaches everyone from beginer to advanced.

My focus is more on teaching people that will carry on the art. In addition to adding to their personal self-defense system.

So, by training people that have students of their own they're more likley to pass it on and keep the art alive.

I do train beginners... but my focus is on keeping the art alive.

ATB!

Perry

What a terrible misdirection of one's energies.

Hi,
Please post the date and location (a link would be nice) because I want to attend.

Thanks for the heads up!

Update;
Al Abidin has move the seminar into may (due to the easter holiday) this should make it much easier to attend without juggling a holiday with your family.

Update;
Al Abidin has move the seminar into may (due to the easter holiday) this should make it much easier to attend without juggling a holiday with your family.Y'know, when you Google the guy you find that he has some 5 sites all with referrals form the same people. Not very encouraging. Apparently he is the only in the world that does this and 4 of his company's 'officers' are his referrals. Very dodgy indeed.

Another dok lee video and book on eBay "art of controlled violence".
If anyone cares.

Well you know, life goes on.

People believe me or not.

I have told the truth or not.

Be safe. Be well.

I know my life is not average, and most people don't believe a word I say.

But honestly just because you did not witness it, does not mean it didn't happen.

No, there are plenty of things that can be proven that we have not directly witnessed. You, however, can provide no substantiation whatsoever for your claims, which means they are false.

Hi ,
To shed light on all this KUTA controversy. Firstly It is real. Secondly I neither doubt nor endorse mr woodalls claims, for I do not know him, nor do I want to judge him based on a few comments left on a forum board.

I personally have trained with Al Abidin, I have Jack Savages material, and I have the DOK Lee package. Also I was introduced to Kuta (HIKUTA was a term according to my original teacher that the company that made the book/video package coined to make it sound more commercial- and DOK Lee didn't care for the name) From a coworker, who personally knew and trained with DOK Lee or Lee (leroy?) Crull (as ypu can easily learn from the internet). My trainer which I will not name, but will call FRED, was with Lee until he passed, and started a business with Lee and another gentelmen to train kuta (hence the "other" site nobody seems to know who started - crossover-. FRED and the other gentlemen (not Lee) apperared on the danny bonaducii radio show in dtroit back in '97 which I have the recording of the live broadcast where danny gets flown back over the couch and bites his tonge and starts shaking. I have a video to prove FRED's involvement with lee, as they appear together training on it. I also Have footage of Lee training someone back in the summer of '92, going over all types of strikes, and multiple attacker scenarios as well as commentary that solidifies that mans credibilty (in my opinion).

The problem I think a lot of people have is because it is possible to deliver a kuta blow with very little practice, it is rare and intermittant. In my experience you need to develop your strtle or sneeze reflex by doing the hot stove drills relentlessly and religiously... after that it is very important that you practice the moves as fluently (fluidly) as posslibly SLOWLY, gradually working up your speed... until you master each move... When done properly the move is done instantaneously with EXPLOSIVE SPEED AND ENERGY, triggered from the MIND!. When it is done properly you will say to yourself WOW how did that happen! It happens so fast your body becomes auto pilot mode. There is also an element to KUTA that I think sometimes gets lost in translation... That is the gentleness of the strike and contact, which is infintesimal... You are loose and relaxed when doing this art, it is VERY HARD TO BREAK YOURSELF FROM BEING RIGID AND IN CONTOL OF YOUR BODY!! I leave it at that!

Sincerely and respectfully
CODY FISHER
([email protected])

Sadly phil still confuses me not jumping hoops for him, as me not being able to prove what I say. I have proof, but I am not going to waste time trying to convince doubters.

Certainly codini you are right, and correct about 'highlights of kuta' otherwise called hikuta.
You are reasonable and wise to not trust everyone at their word. Certainly dok lee was great, and well able to teach many. Perhaps I am greater, perhaps not, but I did defeat him in combat, using hikuta, while he was using hikuta. Indeed he said no one would get the title of dok , if I did not accept it, because no one else was worthy. I waited until after his death to publicly accept the title, out of respect toward dok lee. Dok lee did not teach me, I learned from another teacher, my teacher's master also taught me.

Yes I learned hikuta before (but just barely) drbill, although I did not learn it from dok lee.

Yes proper technique comes before power in practice of learning to repeat a strike well.

And certainly in many martial arts slow practice develops not only the 'practice' of the art, but also the smaller more fine muscles build and get used to the positions of the 'art', and so allow one to be more exact, because of the gaining of muscle to control exact moves.

For Mr. Woodall... Out of curiosity, Did your teacher call it the ancient science of KUTA, or did he give it a different name? did he have any ideas where he thought it originated from? Also, did he know Lee? I am not a doubter, but someone always trying to learn more about this fascinating art 'eating the meat and spitting out the bones'.

When I watch my DOK LEE strikes training tape (not something you can buy on eBay or from anyone for that matter), that is over an hour long, and has DOK Lee going over many, many moves, in all different scenarios, I have a feeling of awe! It is truly an incredible honor for me to have been introduced to this "Science"... Watching him move and "go through the motions" is for me a very humbling and fascinating experience.

When I first "did it" correctly, I knew it was real... I, out of stupidity thought I would try a pulled punch, on my sister (willing doubter, my same age) while she held a phone book. I was going to barely touch the face of the phone book while she held it to her body. I tried the fisrt time... nothing, we both started to laugh... I tried a second time and WHAM!! I barely touched the book, but my body moved so fast and my hand whipped so quickly, it was almost unbelievable... I remembered thinking to myself , I have never moved that fast before. Truly I was on autopilot mode, My body was triggered to move in the trained motion, with explosive instantaneous speed, from my mind thinking of the strike. My sister just stood there, I did not think I "got her" but I asked, well, did you feel anything? She just stood there as tears rolled down her face, she was not crying though... I told her to sit and she did... a few moments later she started talking, she said, what the hell was that? She said it felt like a concentrated bolt of lightning went through her chest and reentered and ran down her left arm! I said what? Are you serious, and she was dead serious... I felt bad. For a few days after that she said she felt like she had been in a car accident. I realized then, I should no longer practice on my sister, or anyone for that matter.

Just to say more about myself... I am currently 27, but learned kuta and did my first "wallop" (on my sister) within the first week of learning of the mechanics and principles at the age of 24. But want to clarify that you need to train the mind to train the body to train the mind before you can start to trigger this inherent ability we all have.

"Kuta" is a fiction and anyone claiming to have mastered its incredible powers is either deluded or lying.

Hi Phil... I have known of you for awhile, and have read your rebuttals and such... I find it interesting that you continue to debate the art if you feel it is non-sence. I often wonder why you put so much energy into it, You can't do it, so it must be untrue.. . For me it is very real, but I do understand why you may feel it is fiction, if you cannot produce the effects. For if I did not experience it myslef I may have though the same way. There are high level Kung Fu styles called "internal" that produce the same type of effects, and in my opinion operate on the same source of power within the body. For example Mr. Al Colangelo of MIND BOXING . Com. He is not an endorser of KUTA but trains in the same principles, of KNOWN martial arts in the KUNG FU world. I am no martial arts experet, In fact I know no fighting skills other than my street fighting I learned from having 3 older brothers around. The Kuta I have learned and practice is something I keep in my back pocket if my life is ever threatened. I don't feel this is something that martial artists and "hobbyists" should or need to get involved with.

I continue to point out that it is nonsense because I hate the thought of honest students of self-defense wasting their time and money on it -- not to mention getting a false sense of security from learning a contrived system with a made-up history that won't really help them in an emergency. It's that simple.

Well, that is where you are dead wrong Phil! In an emergency most martial arts fail to work because you freeze up... with KUTA your reaction happens instantly, afterward you have to think, what just happened.

Now Phil, I don't dislike you, and I don't want to start a bashing thread here... I just thought it was about time I said something concerning KUTA. I think your reasoning behind bashing KUTA is ill conceived at best. Not because you obviously cannot effectively do it, but rather because KUTA is not something that is taught in your neighborhood dojo, or self defense class, therfore people trying to learn BASIC self defence need not worry about being led astray... Most people IN the martial arts community in general never even heard of it so, I don't understand that logic...

That being said, if you are serious about wanting to learn KUTA, I urge you to open your mind, and throw out all your prior training and natural tendencies, and give these few tips an honest and sincere try.

First, you must practice all these drills with a RELAXED PHYSIOLOGY, MIND AND BODY.
Second, remember the strike is TRIGGERED from the mind, the difference between throwing a bullet and firing a bullet.
No matter how fast you are, your natural reflex or startle is faster, if you let it happen
It's a matter of hardwiring your body... training the mind to train the body to train the mind.
Third... you must mentally practice as much as physically practice. For instance the hot stove drill... picture an explosion in your mind... and trigger the body movement... in other words the thought becomes the strike
Fourth RELAX RELAX RELAX... I like to consider it like hitting like a "wussy Girl"... Completely opposite of what most people do. Maybe why women have an easier time learning KUTA

If you do it right you will not even feel the strike in your hand... you will not even really have control of your body for that split second of time. The trained movement will happen with the quickness and power of an explosion, triggered by the thought of striking in your mind. Practice. Practice, Practice, but practice the RIGHT WAY!! Loose and realxed is totally the key, as well as practicing with your mind, maybe more so than the physical movement itself.

Phil, I Respect your comments, and I by no means think you are going to have an easy time with this, but I honestly and sincerely leave these tips, so that maybe you will re-think your position on something, that obviously grabbed your attention.

Remember, it takes a lot of time to learn how to strike relaxed, and LET GO... letting your mind do the work.

A message specifically for eawoodall but I'd love to hear from anyone else too :)

Please could you tell me about you experiences of the martial art of Kuta?
I have read in other posts that you have practiced it for years, how did you come across it?

Cheers.
CoopcUK
He didn't.

There are three sources of exposure to this contrived, made-up system. There's the Lee Crull ("DOK Lee") book and video package from the 1990s, videos made by his student Al Abidin, and videos made by his other student, Jack "Savage" Sellner. Abidin does seminars, too. Anyone who has learned the system learned from one of those people -- Abidin and Sellner are the only known students of Lee Crull active today.

Well, that is where you are dead wrong Phil! In an emergency most martial arts fail to work because you freeze up... with KUTA your reaction happens instantly, afterward you have to think, what just happened.

Now Phil, I dont dislike you, and I dont want to start a bashing thread here... I just thought it was about time I said something concerning KUTA. I think your reasoning behind bashing KUTA is ill concieved at best. Not because you obviously cannot effectively do it, but rather because KUTA is not something that is taught in your neighborhood dojo, or self defense class, therfore people trying to learn BASIC self defence need not worry about being led astray... Most people IN the martial arts community in general never even heard of it so, I dont understand that logic...

That being said, if you are serious about wanting to learn KUTA, I urge you to open your mind, and throw out all your prior training and natural tendencies, and give these few tips an honest and sincere try.

First, you must practice all these drills with a RELAXED PHYSIOLOGY, MIND AND BODY.
Second, remember the strike is TRIGGERED from the mind, the difference between throwing a bullet and firing a bullet.
No matter how fast you are, your natural reflex or startle is faster, if you let it happen
Its a matter of hardwiring your body... training the mind to train the body to train the mind.
Third.... you must mentally practice as much as physically practice. For instance the hot stove drill... picture an explosion in your mind... and trigger the body movement... in other words the thought becomes the strike
Fourth RELAX RELAX RELAX.... I like to consider it like hitting like a "wussy Girl"... Completely opposite of what most people do. Maybe why women have an easier time learning KUTA

If you do it right you will not even feel the strike in your hand... you will not even really have control of your body for that split second of time. the trained movement will happen with the quickness and power of an explosion, triggered by the thought of striking in your mind. Practice. Practice, Practice, but practice the RIGHT WAY!!! Loose and realxed is totally the key, as well as practicing with your mind, maybe moreso than the physical movement itself.

Phil, I Respect your comments, and I by no means think you are gonna have an easy time with this, but I honestly and sincerely leave these tips, so that maybe you will re-think your position on something, that obviously grabbed your attention.

Remeber, it takes alot of time to learn how to strike relaxed, and LET GO... letting your mind do the work.

Spare me your pseudo-knowledge, please. You're living in a delusion and have no real training of any kind. The only problem with this delusion is that it's going to get you hurt or killed, eventually. I would dearly hate to see you take anyone with you.

Everyone's time, effort, and money are better spent on legitimate martial systems than this ridiculous "Kuta" and "Hikuta" nonsense.

Well, Phil... I know for a FACT That there are at least 3 others that have been trained personally by DOK Lee. The guy on the video tape I have being trained (although the guy kind of looks like Al, it clearly is not him), and the two gentlemen that started the crossover business with him in the late 90's before he passed away. I think the training I have had (by my teacher and, mostly that on the strikes training tape)is more in depth than that of which Al or even Savage teach. I think by watching Lee move, and explain things on my video, anyone can clearly see this is no noncence at all, in fact it is quite amazing. I encourage you to provide me your personal e-mail address so that I might supply you with a small piece of evidence of my claims. I am not going to do this to try and convince you KUTA is real, rather to make you realize that KUTA is no more unrealisitic than the "internal" styles of Kung Fu... What do you think of Bruce Lees one inch puch? What do you think of Mr. Al Colangelo, and his trainer Mr Willie Wetzel?how about the video where Al Colangelo produces the shockwave through the lineup of guys (similar to how I "got" my sister) Its obvious to me that there are mysteries to the body, some call 'chi', that enable us to protect ourselfes in a mysterious and wonderous way, as God made us that way indeed, I personally choose to take advantage of that ability.

No, you don't, and no, you didn't, and no, you aren't.

Phil, I think at this point, your so deeply against KUTA, you don't want it to be proven to you. You didn't answer any of my questions, and are not even willing to examine some evidence... You are truly a fool of fools.

Phil, I did tell that person who asked about my experiences, but not all of it did I put out on the board for public knowledge. Some of it I used the private message of this site to tell him and only him. Some things I am willing to tell anyone so I post it, other stuff I choose to remain private, and by the way phil, in the class when I was trained hikuta, there were 8 other people being trained at the same time. And there were classes earlier years before that. So my teacher, and his master taught me before drbill ever learned, but many others learned as well. In some styles you choose if a student proves himself worthy before you consider teaching, perhaps you are not ready to learn hikuta yet phil.
Maybe someday you will develop enough to be able to understand. But if you never learn hikuta phil that is okay, most police don't have to pull a gun in an entire career on the force, so perhaps you would never need it. After all phil you claim you can do a lot with the martial arts training you already have, and I believe it.

Codini, the problem with phil and most middle level martial artists is a refusal to grasp that other martial arts can be of use. They hold to what they know about being able to do some moderate thing, and that is all they want. That is okay. I know some people who don't want to learn martial arts or any other way to try to protect themselves. That is okay. You and I have to realize, people can choose to be martyrs, people can choose to lose fights, people can choose to be helpless. Some people are not convinced no matter what happens. I have many a time knocked out professional boxers who were violent for no reason with me, I always explained they needed to stop, but if they did not, oh well.
Beyond all that, as well as being the highest ranked martial artist in the world, I also have other abilities, and skillsets, attributes, training, purpose that allows me to do well when others would not have a chance, indeed my experience in such combat allows me to easily do what most can not birth. People often do not believe what happens in front of them, much less different viewpoints give different witness testimony, so do well and achieve. Be safe. 'respect your elders or at least your betters' eawoodall

You are both deluded and you are feeding each other's delusions. This is very, very dangerous because it's going to get both of you hurt, sooner or later; a false sense of confidence created by the false belief that you are capable of defending yourselves is doing you a huge disservice. It is my hope that one day both of you will let this fiction go and actually take the time and the effort to study a serious self-defense system, but I don't see either of you being willing to take that step. You're both too entrenched in what you want to believe.

This is fairly typical of people who embrace these contrived, easily digested fake systems.

This is my last "post" on this subject. I simply want to say that Phil, You are are babbling Moron. I think you are and idiot. Not your fault, your parents are probably idiots too! Most, allmost ALL Practitioners of HIKUTA are well trained, and proficient in many different POPULAR styles of martial arts, including those who commercially teach HIKUTA. Therefore it is non sense for you to say that we as a group are incapable of defending ourselfes, when you endorse the same martial arts systems. I personally am one of the VERY FEW people who chose not to study a martial art prior to learninig of KUTA because A) it never interested me before. B) I have been in enough fights to know what to do and what not to do, in a REAL situation from my experineces I have had already had growing up. C) I have never been impressed with anyone claiming to be a "blackbelt", when it comes down to a real fight, the first with the most, always gets the better deal D) as an adult I find it very RARE I will even be in a fight nowadays, because I know how to avoid those situations altogether. Except for the fact that I may be robbed, or jumped at some point in my life, beyond my control, I have as good a chance as anyone including YOU at surviving the attack, WITHOUT defending myself. If someone sticks a gun in my face and asks me for my wallet, out of the blue. I would glady give my wallet, to avoid trying to be a "hero" for a few bucks. You on the other hand would probably faint, because you are a mama's boy. I can tell by your appearance, and I am sure even if you did have enough hair on your nuts to use your "training" it would end up with you being shot! Here in Detroit, there's no such thing as a "hero". My KUTA abilities, are however A great resource I have developed, I am confident that if I need to use it, I will be able to, and most importantly, I will not need to look like a HOLLYWOOD HERO when doing it. I hope I never have to use it.

Nobody can outdance a bullet, and you Phil, are no different. Oh wait, your martial arts training shows you how to catch bullets with your teeth, I forgot

So, when confronted with the fact that you're deluding yourself by advocating a contrived martial system with an obviously made-up history, as detailed in the following articles...

"DOK Lee" Book Analysis (http://themartialist.com/pecom/hikutahand.htm)

"DOK Lee" Video Package Analysis (http://themartialist.com/pecom/hikutavideo.htm)

Jack "Savage" Video Analysis (http://themartialist.com/0704/jacksavage.htm)

... your response is simply to start calling names like an angry child? That's not very surprising. People like you, who lack the ability and the will to pursue any real sort of martial training over the long term, often cling to these made-up systems and then get very, very angry when challenged on them. I feel sorry for you; if "Kuta" made you capable of defending yourself, or if you at least knew that it didn't and therefore didn't have a false sense of confidence, you'd be much better off than you are now.

Good luck. You'll need it.

Phil I am sorry you tried to learn hikuta from only a book and video tape. I suffered under no such restraints. My teacher was undefeated, and after years had to retire, because no one would fight him. It was said of my teacher that you could not see him move, and some of the people I have KO have said so of me. By the way I have always KO by hitting them on the chin. Never a illegal move.

Before I was 12 I KO the three people who had won some 'golden gloves' at my local gym.
All in one day. In the ring.

All martial arts have a place. Even if you personally don't like it.

Phil. I have been explaining to you for years! You are not listening. I wear a badge and gun at work at times! I have been in many a gunfight, and many a knife fight, and have fought people who were using grenades, high powered rifles, et cetera. I am still here, because I can out draw, out shoot, out fight any of the stupid people who are dumb enough to attack me. Hikuta allows me to be faster than they are, and because I am so much faster, I can get my gun out and use it if need be before they can use theirs.
That you continue to not understand after all these years shows you choose to not know. I will continue to be fine, and people who are reasonable can learn well to defend themselves and others because some of us KNOW that hikuta works. Yes I can give names of people who went to prison, and those who did NOT make it to prison, but after years of telling you this you would not believe me if I told you the sky is blue.

Sad that you appear to choose ignorance over brains, but you don't want to be safe, you don't want to win fights, or do well. Perhaps that is your choice, and I hope you are happy with what you have chosen, but don't be so stupid that you phil think that others will follow you into the grave rather than try to learn how to defend themselves. Once again - I offer no classes, I sell no products, I get nothing out of telling you the truth, but the knowledge that some may be wise and having hope try to protect themselves and others lawfully.

Phil how many times have people tried to kill you with:
Machine guns? Grenades? Knives? Shotguns? Throwing stars? Sniper rifles? Swords? How much actual combat have you seen? How many times have people tried to commit upon you armed robbery? How many days have you gone to work wearing a gun and badge? Have you been in charge of law enforcements teams like I have? Have you worked for several different levels of government?
How many foreign criminals have you stopped? How many spies have you caught?

Perhaps I just deluded those professional boxers into falling down unconscious.
Perhaps I just deluded those people who started pulling a gun on me, that I drew my gun, and aimed at them before they could even clear leather.
Perhaps I just deluded those people who who started pulling a gun on me, that I covered the more than twenty feet and got the drop on them before they could get a gun to even point at me.
Perhaps I deluded the guy who threw 3 throwing stars poisoned at me, that I caught them all with one hand safely, and in one deft motion threw them back at him, hitting him. Maybe the doctor was also deluded when he ided the poison.
Perhaps I deluded the four guys who drew guns at me, and with four pencils in one deft throw plugged 3 barrels, and hit the fourth person in the gun hand (exactly as I planned, because I was not sure even I could hit 4 barrels with one throw, so I aimed at the last guys hand).
Perhaps I just deluded that rattlesnake from a ladies purse into unconsciousness.

All in all. I do not think so. It would be a bigger more unbelievable thing for me to delude or fake all this stuff than to merely believe the truth, that it happened.

This isn't a question of "trying to learn Hikuta." The materials are presented as a means of learning the system, yes, but fundamentally, this is about analyzing the system as presented by its advocates. The fact is that Hikuta is a contrived, made-up, incomplete, and generally unworkable system whose advocates have one thing in common: they're deluded. People who cling to systems like this do so because they lack the ability or the inclination actually to learn a real method of self-defense, preferring instead the easy way out.

This is funny stuff EA, thanks! I especially like the one about the throwing stars, that really made me laugh. :)


phil i am sorry you tried to learn hikuta from only a book and video tape. i suffered under no such restraints. my teacher was undefeated, and after years had to retire, because no one would fight him. it was said of my teacher that you could not see him move, and some of the people i have KO have said so of me. by the way i have always KO by hitting them on the chin. never a illegal move.

before i was 12 i KO the three people who had won some 'golden gloves' at my local gym.
all in one day. in the ring.

all martial arts have a place. even if you personally don't like it.

Phil. i have been explaining to you for years! you are not listening. i wear a badge and gun at work at times! i have been in many a gunfight, and many a knife fight, and have fought people who were using grenades, high powered rifles, et cetera. i am still here, because i can out draw, out shoot, out fight any of the stupid people who are dumb enough to attack me. hikuta allows me to be faster than they are, and because i am so much faster, i can get my gun out and use it if need be before they can use theirs.
that you continue to not understand after all these years shows you choose to not know. i will continue to be fine, and people who are reasonable can learn well to defend themselves and others because some of us KNOW that hikuta works. yes i can give names of people who went to prison, and those who did NOT make it to prison, but after years of telling you this you would not believe me if i told you the sky is blue.

sad that you appear to choose ignorance over brains, but you don't want to be safe, you don't want to win fights, or do well. perhaps that is your choice, and i hope you are happy with what you have chosen, but don't be so stupid that you phil think that others will follow you into the grave rather than try to learn how to defend themselves. once again - i offer no classes, i sell no products, i get nothing out of telling you the truth, but the knowledge that some may be wise and having hope try to protect themselves and others lawfully.

phil how many times have people tried to kill you with:
machine guns? grenades? knives? shotguns? throwing stars? sniper rifles? swords? how much actual combat have you seen? how many times have people tried to commit upon you armed robbery? how many days have you gone to work wearing a gun and badge? have you been in charge of law enforcements teams like i have? have you worked for several different levels of government?
how many foreign criminals have you stopped? how many spies have you caught?

perhaps i just deluded those professional boxers into falling down unconscious.
perhaps i just deluded those people who started pulling a gun on me, that i drew my gun, and aimed at them before they could even clear leather.
perhaps i just deluded those people who who started pulling a gun on me, that i covered the more than twenty feet and got the drop on them before they could get a gun to even point at me.
perhaps i deluded the guy who threw 3 throwing stars poisoned at me, that i caught them all with one hand safely, and in one deft motion threw them back at him, hitting him. maybe the doctor was also deluded when he ided the poison.
perhaps i deluded the the four guys who drew guns at me, and with four pencils in one deft throw plugged 3 barrels, and hit the fourth person in the gun hand (exactly as i planned, because i was not sure even i could hit 4 barrels with one throw, so i aimed at the last guys hand).
perhaps i just deluded that rattlesnake from a ladies purse into unconsciousness.

All in all. i do not think so. it would be a bigger more unbelievable thing for me to delude or fake all this stuff than to merely believe the truth, that it happened.

Hello,
I came across references to Hikuta today and frankly am quite perplexed about this system. It sounds amazingly useful and simple, but at the same time from what I gather on the net and here, there are vociferous oppositions to it.

Eawodall and Codini and Dr Bill all of you appear to be sincere and knowledgeable---I am interested in learning this science and art--however I don't live in the US and would appreciate your advice/suggestions as to the most useful distance source for learning Hikuta.

Thanks and regards
DrGreen

Gee, now what are the chances that "DrGreen" is not one of the aforementioned deluded Hikuta supporters, posing as someone else who just happens to have a question and who just happens to find the one nearly dead board where the issue is being discussed?

Phil, you sound such a sad, angry, rude and frustrated man--I send you lots of love and healing and pray for your recovery from these diseases. Get Well Soon! Love!

Coming from someone with a serious mental disorder, that means a lot, "Doctor."

Coming from an avowed 'fighting unfairly' fellow I suppose we can't expect anything less rabid: Suddenly you have also become an instant expert on diagnosing mentally disordered people--who are anyone who dares to make an inquiry about kuta.

Gratuitiously sneering at and attacking anyone coming into this forum who doesn't support your absolute viewpoint is not helpful to your stated claim of preventing innocent people being misguided. You should understand that you are neither winning friends nor positively influencing people. God bless you Phil and Get Well Soon from your sickness! Love.

Does that make you feel better?

Dear Phil--from your response I see the healing and love is working--You are doing well. God Bless You, and more love.

From your response, I see that you are deeply mentally disturbed.

I see you are enjoying this in a fun-filled stress-free way--a very good sign of progress and success of the healing. Your comments are now non-toxic. God bless and love.

Your comments are now completely irrelevant -- another sign of mental imbalance.

It's all right Phil... as long s it calms you... Love

You need help. Serious, professional help.

Glad to be here so you can practise your advisories. Love.

And drugs. You need serious drugs. And possibly shock treatment.

Luverly idea! I'm getting as big a charge as you just thinking about it --Trust this little 7:00 am morning snack in Rochester leads to your having a wonderful day... Will check in later. Love.:)

At least parts of hikuta are known in other coutries by other names, actually there was a country that was named for (atleast part of) the art, but has been renamed recently in history.

I will send you some private information. Check your private email on this web site.


Hello,
I came across references to Hikuta today and frankly am quite perplexed about this system. It sounds amazingly useful and simple, but at the same time from what I gather on the net and here, there are vociferous oppositions to it.

Eawodall and Codini and Dr Bill all of you appear to be sincere and knowledgeable---I am interested in learning this science and art--however I don't live in the US and would appreciate your advice/suggestions as to the most useful distance source for learning Hikuta.

Thanks and regards
DrGreen

Thanks for the guidance and information--love & regards

How many forms of martial arts are there? How do I decide which is right for me?

There ae many forms of martial arts.

They are often divided by hardness.
Soft. Soft/hard, hard style.
In general soft styles push/throw/trip more, and hard styles hit/strike/kick, but it also is about how much musular tension is used to do the art, and if more defense or offense if used.

They can be divided by heritage, or what most consider country who claims origin.
Chinese. Korean. Japanese. Et cetera.

Usually a local school, that you can go see, without joining up, allows you the best chance to understand where is a good place to start. Watch a class. See how the instructor corrects the students, and if you agree with the type of training, and correction then you can ask about cost, expectations of class amounts and time for progress, and your needs toward the school, what you need to wear, how to notify if you cannot make a class. General guidelines, if different levels of interest have different classes, so you might start in the best fit for your time schedule, and the schools. Try to be ready, but if not a good fit, it is okay to go elsewhere, perhaps someday you will be ready or willing to come back to that school after you mature in martial arts more, so be polite - at all times.

You can ask the school(s) that you visit and don't want to join, advice on a school you could start at that might be easier or a better fit for you. So good luck, and be careful, it is your money, and your time, and you should make sure you spend it wisely to learn the things you want, hopefully in a reasonable way, and timeline. eawoodall

here are several web sites that may offer further info and products.
the first web site is some of the products Dok Lee made.
the second is by a student of Dok Lee.
the third is by a student of the student (of Dok Lee) just mentioned, (whose material you have studied).
i do not know the origin of the person responsible for the fourth web site.

http://www.childrens-safety.com/aboutdok1.htm

Hikuta Self-defense! Cutting Edge information and training (http://www.cutting-edge-combat.com/subpage/instructor.html)

Hikuta Combat Systems: History (http://www.hikuta.net/hikuta/hikuta_history.cfm)

http://www.crossover-kuta.com/founder.html

i have on occasion taken a student or two, but no one you would know.

the first web sites videos are nice (i think late 90s), i have not gotten any of the videos/material from the other webs sites to review.
sometimes a video or video and book (early 90s) by Dok Lee will auction on ebay or other auction sites. just this month the book/video combo went for about 60, and the video by itself about 25.

i will try to continue to provide you with info, as you ask more, continue to show interest. e a woodall

How are you eawoodall? I was looking over many of your posts and was very intrigued by your skills and abilities you speak of and am currntly trying to attain said abilities through mind training now. Is there any advice you can offer me on meditation or physical training for kuta and any knowledge of its history that have been taken out of modern books? Thanks a mil

www.ebay.com
Starting bid 1 dollar plus s&h

eBay item number
330300553889

Is a dok lee book and video.

It should have some mention of history. Published in early 90s or so.

eawoodall

I am not selling it, just happens to be for sale at this time.

p.s. I am doing fine, as always.

Advice: relax

eawoodall how long did you know Dok Lee. I am being trained in the true form of kuta by Dok Lee's cousin. My teacher is a master in kuta not the bastardized version hikuta. Knowing what I know of Dok Lee he would not get into the ring and fight. I find your statement hard to believe. My teacher studied with Dok Lee for 10 years and is a registered to teach the true form of kuta.

eawoodall how long did you know Dok Lee. I am being trained in the true form of kuta by Dok Lee's cousin. my teacher is a master in kuta not the bastardized version hikuta. knowing what i know of Dok Lee he would not get into the ring and fight. i find your statement hard to believe. my teacher studied with Dok Lee for 10 years and is a registered to teach the true form of kuta.

I meet him. He said who he was. He wanted to see what I learned from the father son team he thought taught me.

There was no ring, we were in a hallway at my school he talked to me, then decided to fight me on the spot.

After he lost he told me he wanted me to accept DOK because he said "no one else was worthy", but he thought I learned it in a week (and I had spent years in training), I replied to him, and he left.
So maybe a total of 15 minutes is all the total time I spent with DOK Lee, ever.

A lot of people doubt me. Don't impress me none. Obviously Dok Lee thought he would make short work of me, or he wouldn't have tried to out box me. Even though I have been told he was golden gloves. And he did go on to try kuta after the boxing.

Who I learned from called it by several names. Kuta. Other name(s), that some on here have called it. "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet", quote Thebard (perhaps you saw it in one of his plays?).

eawoodall have you ever read a book by the title of Thought Vibrations by William Walker Atkinson?

eawoodall have you ever read a book by the title of Thought Vibrations by William Walker Atkinson?

no. sorry

Newbie on site,

Was just wondering I'm doing a study on martial arts, basically looking up which is the best to study if one is looking to improve one's strength, agility etc.

I found information on Hikuta/Kuta on numerous sites.
I believe it was first used by the Ancient Egyptians as a boxing technique that the pharaohs bodyguards were taught, them and them only. So I can understand why there is not so much information on the art/style itself.
I have found numerous other almost 'no name' or 'tribal' arts and practices that use similar techniques/ideas in and around Africa (being of African decent myself) as well as some parts of Asia. (They all seem to have been derived in way or another from one another, which makes sense because that's how all information was passed on, across borders from nomads and other such travellers.)

Well my question is, what other information is there that exists that I could find that anyone would happen to know of on Hikuta/Kuta. Im particularly looking for whether there are any belts or ranks, terminology of the fighting styles... I see something about a crane technique was mentioned in the earlier parts of these threads.

IF anyone happens to have any information on any other martial arts styles please let me know. I myself have studied Taekwondo for 5years, (broke my toe playing soccer funny enough it is more dangerous than martial arts, so therefore to anyone learning a martial you are safer doing that than playing a normal sport! If you don't believe that, as I am sure reading the scepticism of many on these threads please take a look at rugby! Although I must truthfully admit had I continued to do competitions in Taekwondo I may have had a few more serious bruises and bashes to add, still if your technique is properly executed then technically one shouldn't get hurt.) I am currently starting TaiChi, as it is stationed closer to me.

I also reading through these threads just wanted to add, as I am actually a bit shocked at the rudeness of some the responses on here,! seriously people who are you to judge!! Im not going to name any names. For those reading however, please understand that if someone asks another person for help and information and they happen to share life's stories (whether you believe them or not) it would be nice if you didn't try to make out that the person is a fraud or that the martial art doesn't exist. I myself have been through numerous experiences which I'm sure most people would believe impossible, I myself have a hard time accepting they happened but lets face it, we don't know everything about everything! Please let each one make up his own mind and opinion about what he/she thinks of the information he/she is given, and allow a person to freely choose if what is being said is true or not.

This is a questions/answers forum to gain further information on a martial art, lets try keep it at that.

Seriously Mr. EAWoodall my respect for you for putting up with what some people have written on here, I thank you though for the information you have given, and am quite interested in the stories you have told. I for one believe anything is possible if you put your mind to it, and it is so nice that the posts are long and slightly elaborated and that you took the time to really write it all out and explain, thank you ever so much. Great respect to you for keeping the secrets of your masters (etc) a secret, despite how others have been trying to pry the information out of you.

If anything I too stand by the belief that one should only use the martial arts they learn in order to protect themselves and their loved ones, I see you mentioned this earlier and therefore I do believe you know what you are talking about.

I really do wish to ask you more for information on Hikuta/Kuta technique itself and the real principles behind each technique used to take out the attacker, the way the body is used to create the momentum and strength needed. These would all truly aid me in my study but I understand if you are wanting to keep certain things secret, and if you are unable to relay certain information, I respect that. I thank you in advance, however, for any information at all that you are able to post.

One last question I have is, if a person were looking to join and train to be able to study and do Hikuta/Kuta how and whom should one contact? Thank you and God Bless.

Crane style kung fu is not part of kuta. I personally like to teach some of the 18 classical kung fu exercises so that a student is more well rounded. Web sites follow that have some kuta information sources on it. Hikuta is highlights of kuta.

Dok lee
Self defense for woman (but is for all actually)
Women Defence Video Child Safety Video Children Safety Video (http://www.childsafetysystem.com/womens.htm)
Children especially (defense only)
The Fear Not Foundation - goodforyouamerica.com (http://www.goodforyouamerica.com/childrens-safety/the-fear-not-foundation.html)
http://www.childsafetysystem.com/

Al a. student of dok lee.
Self-Defense and Hikuta Martial Arts Program | Women's Self-defense Technique (http://www.hikuta.com/)

A student of al a.
Welcome to Hikuta Combat Systems: The Science of Self-Defense! (http://www.hikuta.net/)

Dok - defender of kings - highest rank in kuta/hikuta.
Kubler - middle rank, and responsibility.
I suspect a literal translation means 'bringer of death'. Since kubla means death.
Blackheart warrior (for lack of a better name), since kuta was noted during the blackheart time in records. As the rank goes higher the responsibility is more.

Thanks a mega ton!

This really helps. ^_^

Wish you a pleasant week!

Ea woodall I did not try ruffle your feathers. I have known Curt most of my life. He is dok lee's cousin. I can introduse him if you are interested he said he would like to meet

You. I have been training with Curt personaly. I have previous martial arts experience but when I moved back home last year Curt started training me. To me it took a lot longer than 15 miniutes. I really like the training. Curt did mason work with dok lee. Curt is certified to give up to a 1st. Digree Curt's brother dave is also trained in kuta. Curt is a great teacher. It's a lot easier when you live in the same town. Curt grew up with my oldest sister. He will be 50 this year. Curt also told me that hikuta was high lights of kuta. I am very glad to be learning kuta from him. It is a very brutal fighting art. After 6 months of training you are afraid to hit anyone for fear of shattering their bones or posably killing them. I love this art. I meet with Curt twice a week. I can have Curt contact if you have a contact other than bloging. I am very sorry about my first blog. Would like to meet you Curt said he would also. This is not B.S. I am telling the truth. If you meet Curt you will know I'm tellling the truth.

Is their anyone who know of any copies of Dok Lee's original videos/ books? Any links would be helpful to my search. Or are their any teachers currently taking students anywhere?

Is their anyone who know of any copies of Dok Lee's original videos/ books? Any links would be helpful to my search. Or are their any teachers currently taking students anywhere?

The only place I know of anyone teaching kuta is Michigan but you may be able to find someone teaching in another state but the only place to learn the true form of kuta is Michigan. That is the only place I know. I'm training with dok lee's cousin. Just to let you know dok can not be given to you unless you are the bodyguard of a king or ruler. Then and only if they think you are worthy of that title.

the only place i know of anyone teaching kuta is michigan but you may be able to find someone teaching in another state but the only place to learn the true form of kuta is michigan. that is the only place i know. i'm training with dok lee's cousin. just to let you know dok can not be given to you unless you are the bodyguard of a king or ruler. then and only if they think you are worthy of that title.

Okay. I know some person(s) who is/are/were in line to rule.

Okay. I have defeated other famous people. Some many years before I ever met dok lee, others many years afterward, and yes they were the highest rank, or the top of persons in that art in the world. And yes I have gotten from them higher belts than they had, but they were authorized to give to me.

Yes I have training in martial arts that did not authorize me to train in them, and did not authorize instructors to train me in them. But that does not invalidate my training or earned belts, it only means that the people who authorize belts do not know what I know. Indeed I find it funny when people mistaken think that just because, as far as they know, there is no one of a certain rank, it does not mean that there is no one of that rank. I prefer privacy.

When you say openly something and no one believes you, it is as if it is a secret. Because if it was a secret no one would know. And if no one believes it, also no one KNOWS.

I have been given titles of various sorts over the years, and I presume such people were honest and serious in such doing, as well as authorized to so do. From what I know of people they would seem to be able to do so, and rightly give titles that they themselves have authority over. Have I saved/defended lives before, of course, were they important people, I would think all people deserve respect, and history perhaps will decide if anything I have ever done, or will do is important. It is not for me to say, but to trust, and let history be your guide. My work is simply me doing what I must. And my hope is that it helps those it should. eawoodall.

I think you misunderstand. I never learned any kuta from dok lee.

I only meet dok lee for 15 minutes, once.

And some of dok lee's students (a father and son) had thought they were teaching me kuta for only a week, before that.

That father and son told people they were both doks.

I actually had learned kuta many years earlier in a different place from others. And were playing along with dok lee's students to see what 'they' knew. I was testing them.

Dok lee came down to my school to correct them, and told them to not tell people they (father and son) were doks. And not to tell people that they could train them as doks. i.e. they could not give the title of dok to people.

I said to dok lee 'that I was a dok' (after hearing dok lee tell them not to use that title, or say they could give it to anyone). And dok lee wanted to and did fight me to see what I 'knew'.

Dok lee thought I had only been exposed to kuta for a week, so that is probably why he thought 'i was the only one worthy of the title dok, and if I did not take it, he would give the title dok to no one'. Probably because I seemed like a natural to him, but I had many years of training in kuta without dok lee knowing about it.

I got my dok title from my original training. But dok lee also gave me the title of dok after he lost to me in combat. I did not use the title dok publicly until after dok lee was dead out of respect.

And I have protected some who have given me title(s) because of their right of rulership, or other authority, but I digress. Life goes on get over it.
There are many who train people in kuta, sometimes they don't always teach everything, and the names can be different, but every martial art has its place, just as sometimes you want to use a certain level of force. Do not shoot a pea at a tank. Or use a tank to harm an ant. There are better ways to be effective. eawoodall

I am very interested in meeting with curt. Can this be arranged? I am in Louisiana now, but will fly to Michigan to meet with curt, cody and/or cody's teachers who trained with lee. Let's get the DOK thing straight--- 'DOK is supposed to mean 'defender of kings' this would be english letters. If this is an ancient eqyptian title,it would not be in english. This is most likely another one of those things that Lee made up to beef his claim of ancient origins. Not possible to have this in english- think about it. Most if not all of Lee's story of kuta origin is not true. The truth eludes us all. I am rying to be honest in my comments. To Phil: PLEASE believe that kuta existed as early as 1969 when I trained with Leroy. Please believe that Leroy was fast and scary. I do not believe he was sharp enough to make it up, although that is a prominent theory. His books and tapes are not the real thing- hikuta is a made up term as I believe kuta is a made up term. What we call kuta is probably an obscure mercenary system. How the hell Leroy learned it is beyond me. It is simple, it appears to be unfinished or incomplete. Please do not judge kuta by his book and tapes. Cody in Michigan has some real tapes showing him doing the more complete system. He is quite a bit older, slower and sicker than when I met him in 69. It is not a fabricated system unless he made it up before 1969. Cody- I want to meet with you again when I visit Michigan this summer . Are you feeling better? Do you have contact with your friends who studied with Lee? Would you go to meet Curt with me? I have a private martial arts studio in my home in shreveport, La-- anyone who wants to share knowledge or learn the principles may visit at any time/ I do not charge to show you how to train- only if you want on-going lessons. I have accommodations in my home for visitors. I have contact with another older guy who was trained by Lee before me. He is not too open to talking, but I believe I could meet with him alone and report back. If you experience kuta, you will believe. Remember- nothing is magic, you still have to practice. Outlandish claims are just that. Woodall seems to know about kuta, but calls it hikuta- this term is a 1990's invention. He makes impossible claims and even when offered $5000 to prove his claims, demures. I just can't believe him now. My suggestion is to order al's tapes, get the basics down and attend a seminar of his or private lessons form him or me. Note_ jack savage did not train with Lee- I have not met him yet, but he appears to be trying hard. I still claim to be the oldest practicing kuta man until someone arises to take over that title. Dr. Bill Pogue 318 918 9671

Sorry bill. I told you I have been doing it longer and can prove it. But I don't jump through your hoops. And certainly not for pocket change like 5k.

Bill does not know it all, or seen it all. But I have seen advertisements for bill to teach, and have heard of people who learned from him, and he is good at martial arts. And I don't say someone is good at martial arts lightly.

And if I had not l had not lived through my life , then I would not believe
Any of it either, and I saw it! So believe or not does not change what happened.

Life is not what you can explain, but what happened.

Have a good time.


i am very interested in meeting with curt. can this be arranged? i am in louisiana now, but will fly to michigan to meet with curt, cody and/or cody's teachers who trained with lee. let's get the DOK thing straight--- 'DOK is supposed to mean 'defender of kings' this would be english letters. if this is an ancient eqyptian title,it would not be in english. this is most likely another one of those things that Lee made up to beef his claim of ancient origins. not possible to have this in english- think about it. most if not all of Lee's story of kuta origin is not true. the truth eludes us all. i am rying to be honest in my comments. to Phil: PLEASE believe that kuta existed as early as 1969 when i trained with Leroy. please believe that Leroy was fast and scary. i do not believe he was sharp enough to make it up, although that is a prominent theory. his books and tapes are not the real thing- hikuta is a made up term as i believe kuta is a made up term. what we call kuta is probably an obscure mercenary system. how the hell Leroy learned it is beyond me. it is simple, it appears to be unfinished or incomplete. please do not judge kuta by his book and tapes. cody in Michigan has some real tapes showing him doing the more complete system. he is quite a bit older, slower and sicker than when i met him in 69. it is not a fabricated system unless he made it up before 1969. Cody- i want to meet with you again when i visit michigan this summer . are you feeling better? do you have contact with your friends who studied with Lee? would you go to meet Curt with me? I have a private martial arts studio in my home in shreveport, La-- anyone who wants to share knowledge or learn the principles may visit at any time/ i do not charge to show you how to train- only if you want on-going lessons. i have accomodations in my home for visitors. I have contact with another older guy who was trained by Lee before me. he is not too open to talking, but i believe i could meet with him alone and report back. if you experience kuta, you will believe. remember- nothing is magic, you still have to practice. outlandish claims are just that. woodall seems to know about kuta, but calls it hikuta- this term is a 1990's invention. he makes impossible claims and even when offered $5000 to prove his claims, demures. i just can;t believe him now. my suggestion is to order al's tapes, get the basics down and attend a seminar of his or private lessons form him or me. note_ jack savage did not train with Lee- i have not met him yet, but he appears to be trying hard. I still claim to be the oldest practicing kuta man until someone arises to take over that title. Dr. Bill Pogue 318 918 9671

Well, I am always open to real proof. Not just what one says- that is not proof. Proof is written, recorded or heavily witnessed information. If you just had one little iota of proof, I would listen. I have several test questions, none of which anyone- including you, can answer . That would prove your claim. I am not asking you to jump through hoops, just offer up some bit of evidence other than your unbelievable claims. You have made it difficult for anyone to respect kuta by making these claims. At least I have offered to show what I know, and I admit it is nowhere near what Lee knew. No one knows where kuta came from because Lee lied to us- maybe he did it for a good reason. Maybe he just like to jerk our chain. Never the less, he was very fast , very effective , and could prove it. I am not very fast or very effective, but it would take a hell of a 62-year old man to kick my 62-year old . I am willing to prove what I have- how about you?

well, i am always open to real proof. not just what one says- that is not proof. proof is written, recorded or heavily witnessed information. if you just had one little iota of proof, i would listen. i have several test questions, none of which anyone- including you, can answer . that would prove your claim. i am not asking you to jump through hoops, just offer up some bit of evidence other than your unbelievable claims. you have made it difficult for anyone to respect kuta by making these claims. at least i have offered to show what i know, and i admit it is nowhere near what Lee knew. no one knows where kuta came from because Lee lied to us- maybe he did it for a good reason. maybe he just like to jerk our chain. never the less, he was very fast , very effective , and could prove it. i am not very fast or very effective, but it would take a hell of a 62-year old man to kick my 62-year old . i am willing to prove what i have- how about you?

A. you are wrong.

Because you do not know what I or anyone can answer if we wanted to.
You only presume.

B. I waited two weeks to even read what you wrote back to me, because I am patient, and I do not rush to respond because I believed your line of reasoning would be in this regard. I have answered you already. I am not a slave to your intellectual whims. I am not being paid to instruct you in life or martial arts. That you do not understand the master does not need to explain to you all things, shows you are not yet worthy to be handed any torch. You are a fine martial artist, you instruct well, you think you know secret stuff, you are incorrect.

C. as I keep explaining; no matter what I do prove to you, no one on here or anywhere else in the world would believe, just because you might someday, or if you claimed suddenly I am correct. The people on askmehelpdesk.com have no way of actually knowing if we are even separate people or not. They have no reason to believe you any more than they have to believe me.

D. kuta has a history, that I have hinted at, that you do not know or you would not make the claims that you make in a post just a few ago. Or in the post to which I am replying. But as I have explained there are many others sources.

E. a mans word is his bond. If you are a liar certainly do not trust the words of such a man. Indeed do not bother to listen to them, if however you have not seen or heard, what has been done in the world; or know without a shadow of a doubt that the events that happened are false or true then judge whether you can believe.
I do not ask you to believe me, I merely point out, 'what if I am telling the truth'?
Can you live with yourself if others know something that you doubt. You decide.

F. I do not make it difficult to believe in kuta. I explain what I have done, and how (I have done it-well often I explain), but the choice is one of suspending disbelief. When a student first learns martial arts would they/do they believe that they can learn to break bricks or leap off the ground to do a jump kick (in certain styles) or many other wonderful things? Probably not, but if they do not doubt enough to try, then they can learn how to do those things.

G. Many MANY people know because as I try to keep explaining my life is not a quiet one. As I have said over ten thousand times people have tried my 'skills'. Over ten thousand times I have had to deal with someone trying to harm/or kill me. "My skills are not, 'oh i learned it' and never used it". My skills are combat proven. The proof is in the pudding many say, but my master said, "the proof is in the fighting"

H. On unrelated note, I am saddened by the passing of david C. star of 'kung fu'. Even though david C. started martial arts after I began studying martial arts, and so was junior to me in time in martial arts, he did a lot for martial arts and its study in popular culture in the west, and indeed in parts of the world that did not always know about martial arts.

I. the older I get the more I agree that Dok Lee kept things from you. And if those things are what I think they are, you are well served by not knowing. Perhaps I suspect that safety is not always in what you know, or how you know, or where or whence comes knowledge but who gives you knowledge. The why of knowledge
,sorry I seem to make it sound like the reporting principles of who what where when how to make a good news story. Am I being obtuse, sure. Am I being honest, yes. Am I withholding that information that I think could harm or cause you to not be happy, definitely. Truth is not what I want it to be, in my small finite limited frame of reference, with my desires. Truth is what it is. I do not want to change, nor am I grandiose enough to even think I even could change truth. Truth.

J. if there is danger in knowing it is best that I know, because danger for me is smaller danger (or even not at all danger) compared to what you or a lesser student of martial arts would face. Yes I could say how I earned the title "highest ranked martial artist in the world" but it is unrelated to hikuta. In hikuta I earned the title "most dangerous man in the world", as well as DOK. The saying from kung fu is valid, "the beginner blocks, the intermediate blocks then attacks, the master no longer needs to block".

PEACE my hope is your life is full and well, and you enjoy what you have been given, do not reach too high for what is out of your grasp, but do not stretch so low that you do not achieve what other men marvel at, be well. eawoodall

I am sorry to say I cannot believe anyone who will not show proof. Your claims are impossible, not just unliklely. I offered the same money, $5000.00, to anyone who could extend their ki beyond their body- I offered it in Black Belt Magazine. No one every could do it, but many claimed, as you do, that they are too dangerous or too secret to show it. Baloney. Ki is perfect body mechanics, as is kuta. Ki does not extend beyond the body in any measureable way, scientific or otherwise. I'm certain Lee held back from me, but I doubt he held back from Abidin. Its possible Al isnot showing me everything he knows, but from a mechanical, observable satndpoint, he is. You know less than either one of us, and we can prove it. Step up or step off.

EA Woodall How old are you really? And do you know whata muon or Magnetohydrodynamics or The Grad-Shafranov equation is?

Uh, did I say something I shouldn't have?

No, you haven't seen it and a fellow student didn't mention it to you. It never happened. Until you can provide a transcript from the show or a clip of the video, you will never have any proof that it did. Your analogies are meaningless; your logic is deeply flawed. The fact is that Hikuta is a made-up martial art that was created in the early 1990s and has none of the historical credibility -- in ancient times or in contemporary media -- that Hikuta practitioners try to pretend it has. It worries me that there are people willing to embrace such an obvious sham. With luck, anyone reading this will see for themselves how obviously unstable you are and will understand your point of view for what it is -- a complete fantasy.

Phil I agree that EA is full of it but kuta is real. I am training with Dok lee's cousin. It's a egytian fighting art. Kuta fighters are on the walls of the pyramids.

i doubt the long story posted claiming a fight with Dok Lee. I trained with Dok Lee (i know his real name and anyone who trained with him knows it) in the 60's and can immeditaely tell if someone really trained with him. some of the info is true, but obviously incomplete. the story of a pre-pubescent boy fighting 10 armed opponents successfully is beyond comment. Dok lee videos and books are nothing like the training i had. can anyone define the black bag?

Good to hear from someone who knows D.O.K.s real name. I am training with D.O.K.s cousin. I have just completed my masters training. I will ask curt about the black bag. It would be nice to hear from you. Curt has the same last name and has one of the last degrees before D.O.K past on. With lee's signature. I have trained with lee's cousin Curt for a little over a year. I have had other training through out my years but nothing like Kuta. My master Curt and his brother David are on one of the videos along with Curts nephew. I didn't learn much from the vids till I started with Curt that's when it came together for me. About six months of training. Signed Brad

He didn't.

There are three sources of exposure to this contrived, made-up system. There's the Lee Crull ("DOK Lee") book and video package from the 1990s, videos made by his student Al Abidin, and videos made by his other student, Jack "Savage" Sellner. Abidin does seminars, too. Anyone who has learned the system learned from one of those people -- Abidin and Sellner are the only known students of Lee Crull active today.

Phil it is easy to say what you are saying about someone who has past on. Ihave trained with D.O.K.s cousin Curt. Curt and his brother David have more personal training from Lee than all the rest they also worked with lee in the masonry field for many years. I have just past my masters degree. You can say what you want but you need to learn some history. Kuta fighters were royal temple guards. My master is certified by lee as a master along with his brother David. Cirtificates bear lee's full signature. I don't want to be out of line but put up or shut up. My master Curt is willing to meet anyone who wants to learn or would like a demonstration. Phil if you want to meet us tell us where to get ahold of you. Signed Brad

Hikuta is a joke. No, better yet, hikuta is a con. These people pry on the weak minded to get a few bucks, but in reality put many people in danger. There is a reason why hikuta has 4 or 5 places on the internet. It is also why it isn't known by any of the instructors in the Houston area, an area that has blown up with all kinds of martial arts. It does not exist outside of make believe combat systems. I have looked all over for information regarding this when a co-worker claimed Bruce Lee's one inch punch was a hikuta punch. Wrong, this so called fighting system rips off other systems with some gimmicks. Watch Al A's video on how to take a punch. The first part where he takes the punch is satisfying to all of those people who are as upset as I am.

Stop posing, you guys will never create, prove, or exhibit a combat system know as hikuta becase the simple fact is... there is no hikuta.

Just so people know who continue to post on this thread.

It's dated from May 11, 2005 and is now archived so not generally visible, unless someone happens to visit this forum topic area.

Thanks!