Hi all,
I've read a lot of different posts on here which have been a huge help, but have a scenerio of my own.

In short, perfect 2 1/2 year relationship is falling apart because she feels like she has lost herself. Ok, give her more space. Few days later she doesn't know if she wants to be with me anymore. Ok, take a break. Few days later I get a call from her and she says "I want to give it a try, want to work it out". Ok, now what?

I guess I won't know until I speak to her, but I'm looking for advice.

I have been understanding that somewhere along the line she has not been taking time for her. She needs that, I need my time too. She isn't the best on expressing her feelings or emotions. Which has played a big part in this.

Honestly, love her to pieces. Great girl. And we've built up a great relationship. Really would be annoyed to see it all be lost.

What do I say or do at this point?

Obviously something has bothered her... and until you sit down with her and talk in person you will not know why.

I think that it's a matter of waiting till you see her in person and then talk, try to find out why she had/has doubts.

Is this of any help at all ?

You talk and try to work things out. Listen to what she has to say, without judgement or giving advice. If you both want the same thing and are willing to work together that's half the battle. Good honest communications is a learning process. There is no hurry to solve all your problems but start somewhere. How old are you two anyway?

Thanks all.

I'm 24 and she is 20. Age has never played a problem for us though.

I'm just worried that she feels pity, is staying because of family or friends or some other reason. I want her to be happy.

Honest communication has always been hard, as I touched on earlier, she doesn't really open up and express her emotions or feelings. Not to anyone.
I have spoken with her dad, whom I'm really close with. He admits that she gets this characteristic from him, until recently he would too shut down.

Communicating may be more difficult than you think.

I called her.

We are still suppose to be on a break apparently. She needs and wants space.
She sounded aggressive, like I had annoyed her. Perhaps breaking the silence during this break? But she wanted to work things out?

So now I'm even more confused.

She wants to work it out but wants space?

I guess I'll leave her to contact me when she is ready?

HELP!?

You don't need help just give her what she wants and it sounds like to me that she wants to work it out is to keep you hoping and waiting for her. Unfair on many levels and you should not go for it at all. Stop the confusion and eating her crumbs, disappear from her life and be busy and unavailable. This is not love or caring she is showing you and no way are you being respected. If she was serious she would be talking right now. She wants you hurt and confused so you don't know what to do. Sorry move forward and don't wait for her games.

Hi all,

I have been put in a position I'm not really happy with, and I'm hoping for a little input as to what to do about it. I've read a lot on here and it is good, and I can relate but I have a situation of my own.

I (24) have been with my girl (20) now for coming up to 3 years now. She took some space, then a break beause she feels like she had lost herself. She came back and told me she wanted to give things a try, she loves me and doesn't want to be without me.
I've posted on this here: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/relationships/confused-lot-about-girl-92292.html#post414194

We had been up and down like a rollercoaster since she came back Arguments and all sorts. I would say more than half the time we have spent together has been talking / arguing / disagreeing / discussing about the problems we have had and seem to be going in circles. We had a huge argument about the relationship on Sunday just gone, and I asked her if she wanted this relationship or not. She was furious then and there and yelled at me 'yes, but I can't deal with you right now, give me some space.'

I received a message from her (after 4 days of no contact) and called her back about an hour or two later. She was home so I went to see her and we talked. She is now again unsure whether she wants this or not. I understand the situations at hand, how she needs to experience, grow and learn at the age she is, and the situation that the relationship hasn't been the greatest. She says that she loves me but doesn't want things to be this way. We talked, not argued or disagreed, but talked about her, us and myself. After an hour, she had to leave for other commitments but didn't leave me with any answer as to whether she wants this or not.

I'm in the same position I was not long ago, with the decision in her hands and on her terms.

Obviously there is a lot more to the story, but this is the basics.

I'm wondering whether I speak to her soon and if she can't answer me, do I move on?
Or do I give her the opportunity to reach a decision, however long it takes?
What else could I do, or what shouldn't I do?

Please keep in mind, I love her and do want this relationship.

Hi Confused,
I would suggest that she wants something from this relationship or she would have walked anyway after the first break.
I think there are issues here that need to be addressed between you.

Have you suggested going to see a counsellor?
A counsellor will help you explore the areas that are causing conflict and hopefully find resolution to them. But beware, the answers you get may not be the answers you want!

I think you need to explain to her that keeping taking time away is hurting you, that you understand she is confused but that you want to help. You want to understand what she wants from this relationship. You also need to explain that to keep going round in circles is hurting you.

Why can't she 'deal with you right now?' Are there other factors going on that you are/or not aware of?

It takes two to make the relationship work. From here, to me, it sounds like you are doing all the work & she is letting you waft around until she decides what she wants. This is not fair on either of you.

I wish you well
Moomin

I too figure she wants this relationship. As you say, she could have walked a while ago, and also when I asked her Sunday she said yes she did want this. But now she is confused again?

A counsellor would be great. But she wouldn't go.

She has acknowledged that its all in her hands, that it's stringing me along, but she continues to say she is unsure. That she needs to work out what she wants, and with that she doesn't know what to do.



Why can't she 'deal with you right now?' Are there other factors going on that you are/or not aware of??


I think this was just anger and frustration at the time, she also told me to f*** off. I let it slide, she was angry. I think she was just asking for space in a mean way. I don't think there are other factors involved.

If I apply pressure to make the decision, it will just make it harder. If I give her space to make the decision, I'm left hurting and on hold.
I want the relationship and love her dearly, but this is twice that she has taken 'space' and been 'unsure'. I'm torn.

Thought I might add, for anyone who might suggest, I'm keeping busy with work, going to gym and doing my own thing. I understand all of that. I just don't know what to do with this situation.

There are 3 things you can do:

1) let the situation drift on & hope she comes to her senses & comes back to you.
2) force the issue and have a confrontation with her
3) take control of it yourself and leave her alone.

I appreciate that the second 2 are rather drastic actions but this is not fair on you to let it drift on.

Is she seeing someone else? Is this why she needs 'time to herself'.
Why won't she see a counsellor? Has she something to hide?

From my perspective here, for her to have taken 2 lots of 'space' & come back 'unsure', it sounds as though she may not want you but has no-one else open to her either. I don't mean to sound negative here but this is a classic ploy of those who don't want to be on their own but haven't found anything better.

I think if you continue to let the situation ride, you are just opening yourself up to unnecessary hurt later on.

I truly hope you find the answers & peace you deserve
Moomin

Thanks for the reply.


there are 3 things you can do:

1) let the situation drift on & hope she comes to her senses & comes back to you.
2) force the issue and have a confrontation with her
3) take control of it yourself and leave her alone.


That's exactly right. But what to do?
The second 2 are going against what I want, in continuing the relationship.
And the first puts me on hold.
That's my question, what do you do in this situation?



Is she seeing someone else? Is this why she needs 'time to herself'.
Why won't she see a counsellor? Has she something to hide?


There is no one else. I'm 100% on that. She has said to me it's not me, it's the relationship she is unsure about whether she wants. That if she was to be in a relationship it would be with me. I have made it clear that if we split, I cannot be friends with her or in her life. That I'll need to move on as my feelings are strong for her, and I would find it difficult to move on if we still had contact.
She has nothing to hide, I just know she won't like the thought of seeing a counsellor.

Hmm... this situation sounds all too common. I haven't been on these boards that long but I see this kind of thread come up a lot. It usually ends with the girl leaving the relationship.

Why? It's probably because she's bored with the relationship. There's probably nothing deeper than that. You said she mentioned needing to "grow and learn" and whatever else... that's her way of telling you she wants to start seeing other guys. At that age (20), she wants to be wild and party and have fun.

I'm sure she does like you, but she probably sees other girls out and about, partying, drinking and basically being wild and uninhibited and she wants a part of that. I've noticed that American girls crave freedom and fun and they want to do it without being judged by boyfriends, parents or peers. Other cultures praise stability and sense of mind: our culture promotes freedom and emotion over anything else.

I could be very wrong, but somehow I doubt it. I think you should just let her go for now and see if she comes back. Pressuring her to make a decision will cause her to become defensive and rebel, which isn't what you want. You need to let her come to grips with her emotions on her own and just hope that she chooses you.

Wow... Your girlfriend sounds exactly like mine and you two are having the same problems I was having. The constant arguing even though we love so much. I will tell you what most likely will happen... She is going to leave, especially if you pressure her. I say leave her alone for now and give her a lot of space... Let her see her family and be around them more. They usually act like this when you are all over them in any way. If you let her breath and not argue so much then there is nothing to get away from and there won't be a problem with the relationship... I say you tell her this in a voice message when you know she won't answer. "Darling, I know things have been tough and I see how it upsets you. The last thing I want to do is bother you. I love you and I just want you to take a few days to yourself to think about things and if you want to talk to me, I'll be here as well. Take care beautiful, bye" Then hang up after she says what she has to... I'm pretty sure she will love you even more for this because you are being understanding. I mean think about it... Dealing with the relationship isn't working because she is too frustrated... Well leaving it alone can't make things worse, in fact it clears things more quick. If she wants you then you will really know this way and if she doesn't then you will be glad it's over sooner than later and you leave with dignity and she will always remember that you were the bet guy ever and one day she may regret her decision... But either way, it's best to expect the worst at the time... I wish you luck buddy! Take care and let me know how everything goes!

I can vouch for English women to being nobs!

As I told you in your previous post, she is at the age that the mysteries of the world are calling and you must let her go. Take care of yourself by enjoying your life.

Thanks all for your suggestions and opinions.

The longer she takes this 'space', the further she is pushing me away.
I am now feeling that I may walk away from this relationship. Although I don't want to, it is hurting me too much and holding me up. I think if she loved and cared she would have shown this somehow by now.
I am going to enjoy my weekend coming, as I have things planned for myself. Sunday night or Monday at some stage, if I have not heard from her I will make arrangement to meet her in person and let her know it's over.

Does this sound reasonable?
What should I say, that is fair and to the point?

I would just disappear out of her life, period.

Thought I would update you all on what has happened.

I had made my mind up that I would end things and save us both misery if she was still 'unsure'. I sent her a txt saying that 'we need to talk. In person'. I met with her and we talked for about 3 hours. I put it out there that I did not think this was fair at all or in no way showing me love or care, that this is not the respect I deserve. I told her that I can no longer be on hold for her and that if she was still unsure I would not like to prolong this situation any more, that perhaps we should not be together.
She was taken back by this a little, and told me she understood why I would feel that way. Shortly followed by, which shocked me, she said that she would like to work things out and give this relationship a try, that she loves me a lot and wants to be with me in a relationship.

The conversation went through what we both thought were our problems, where we would like the other to be more understanding and considerate, what we want from the relationship, what we want from each other and a lot of those sort of things. I put it to her hypothetically, does she think another try at this will work. She said she would like to think that it would. It felt like we spoke about everything. All the while, I still felt confused.
It was odd that it was me who seemed to need the convincing. I had built myself up to walk away from something that I really wanted and now the opportunity to have what I want has presented itself.

We were starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I told her that I would like to try with this relationship, but I'd like to see the changes made, on both parts. I guess you don't know until you try, and when we are good we are the greatest and both really happy.

Without knowing the gory details;
What do you think?
Can this work?
Is there any opinions of me? Her? Us?
I welcome all suggestions or criticism.

Well,
Bravo you for grabbing the bull by the horns (so to speak) and bringing the situation to a head!
It sounds as though you have done the correct thing by talking it through.
What I would say at this point now is, be wary that she (& you ) do what you have BOTH agreed.
You will have to take this on trust and that may be the hardest part as you have been hurt before.
If you are prepared to give it a go, then go for it!

If you have made each other a commitment (behaviour, time off, meeting up etc) then make sure you stick to it.

Most of all, TALK! You've shown you can do it.

If things don't turn out the way you want then don't be afraid to walk away.
I really hope this works out for you both.

God bless
Moomin

Well that sounds great but Ive heard and experienced this myself then 6 months later the same. But I believe this can work but maybe while your alone think of the reasons she may have wanted the break in the first place. Ive got a feeling you may have been a bit to available like most guys after a while wanting to see her a lot.

Try to pick up a new interest even though you have been together for a while doesn't mean you have to spend ll your time together this is what is probably ruining your relationship, spend a bit more time away from her and don't worry what she's doing. Cut the arguments there's no need to argue if your not happy with something in the relationship point it out if she doesn't straighten up get rid of her. I think you need to be a bit stronger like you have just shown. Tell her how things are going to be she will love that. Remember if its not going how you like it BAIL! Keep control of the relationship and guide it how you would like a relationship to be and she will follow. Don't let any drama creep in if it does straighten it out straight away.

Most importantly don't lose yourself , don't fall back into loving her so much and she's your world , just make her part of your life from now on and you may find she even wants you more.

Last but not least remember less time you give her the more time she will want to see you. This is important for the young girls until they get a bit older and can have a proper relationship with you they need to be pushed away just a little so they keep coming and there interest remains high. When she's ready to commit less of this will be required. But remember she asked for the break once so something must have been wrong. And her saying but I LOVE YOU be wary of this she probably does not even no what love is. Stand your ground and you will be fine!!

Just a thought when I was looking at this. Yes the further she asks for space the more we get pushed away, YES! So we should, we dumpees must take care of ourselves and enjoy our own lives. They want to go explore life? See other guys, Lol... If you wanted space you should have bought a ticket there! After a while in fact, they may even say Lets be friends or more. Too late, thanks but no thanks :P

I've seen it a lot on these boards. I am in the situation myself.
I hope to have input by all, regardless of the variation in your situation, this seems to be the central problem.

Can anyone explain this for all those searching this forum?

Sometimes people just need space apart from others in order to find who they are and to clear their heads for awhile, if they have been experiencing some things in their lives that are make it hard for them to think clearly as to what they want and who they are. Things can get pretty confusing sometimes with so much information happening these days. Some might even call it "chilling out" for awhile.

Everyone needs there own space. It is part of being human.

Just my opinion, based upon my own experience. I am hopeful that others will add what they think in terms of the question that you have asked.

People need space to be themselves, with time to think. Time to grow and experience life, see what else is out there in different people, traveling, experiences etc, it is as simple as that.

More so to those searching these threads, what do those who are in a relationship with a person needing that space do? Obviously giving them space is the best thing to do. But how much? When do you approach them? etc...

And if they need space or a break from the relationship, it's surely sign of weakness in the relationship and at what point is the end inevitable?

I'm asking because this is something I wish I had of known a while back, and perhaps it can be passed on to someone else.

Space is usually because feelings have died down, they are confused, met someone else, they want to be alone a while or you may have been just too much for the person. If a person needs space give it to them, respect it. If you have to rely on that person for your day to day happiness then get a life! You need one.

Hello

We all need our own time to relax and enjoy our own life. No matter how much we Love and care for another person we are our own person first and foremost. We need to grow on our own so we can grow with each other. One of the biggest problems new couples have is they feel like they need to spend every second they have with each other. At first its fun and exciting but when reality hits the let down can crush a relationship.

Hope this helps
Dennis777

I have a question on this scenerio:

A girlfriend took space in the relationship, not to break up but she needed time to question the relationship. While she was taking space and was confused, she wanted to kiss another guy, a friend of hers that liked her. She didn't however end up going through with it.
She then returns to her boyfriend after a week, and wants to continue the relationship. She explains the problem of confusion she had and how she wanted to kiss another man.

How should the boyfriend take this?
Is being confused about a relationship a valid reason to kiss someone else, even though she didn't do it? Should this be looked at as 'she wanted to' or 'she didn't'? Because I think both sides to this story have good points to argue.

My personal thought is that:
I have the hots for a few movie stars, but I don't want to do anything with them, because I have a loving girlfriend. To me, wanting to, is almost as bad as doing it.
And using the reason of confusion, I feel, is like saying she was drunk when she cheated, just an unstable state of mind. Which I think is not acceptable.

What are your thoughts?

It will always play in the back of your mind. She is very wrong in doing that. I would be so pissed off... How could anybody take someone back after that. I sure couldn't.

She told you about it because she obviously feels bad about it. It's human nature to have thoughts about others, but you have to have a level of self control, which she expressed by not kissing the guy. She wants to have a relationship with you even after that, so instead of doubting her use this as an example of how much she would rather be with you than the other guy.

I guess that's true Chaos001... I'd say to try and see the good side. Second chances are there for a reason. If she does this again then something is really wrong. Just let it flow for now.

This is what I mean... It's a good thing she didn't, and a bad thing she wanted to.

Sure, attraction and thoughts of others is one thing but to want to do it is different.
While not doing it, shows she'd rather her boyfriend.

She wants space? She should have gone out and sat in the middle of a field. Pack your bags, accept your losses and move on.

Hello

If we where hung every time we wanted to do something wrong and didn't we would all be in bad shape. I know I would. The fact she didn't shows she cares about herself and that's fantastic. She didn't let confusion take over. You should give her credit for being honest and for not doing it.

Anyone that says they never think or are tempted to do something with another person is lying or sexually dead. The key is do we just think about it or do we act on it.

Good Luck
Dennis777

She didn't have to tell him... She is better off lying! Nothing happened anyway... She should've said nothing because now they have problems over nothing... I hate when girls don't lie!

Worrying about something that hasn't happened is not healthy.

I need to get this out, I'll try to keep it short, I hope someone can advise me.

I have been with my girlfriend for 3 years. She is 20 and I am 24.
We have been arguing a lot recently, and not long ago had a large argument ending in tears and confusion for both of us.

When ever I bring up something about how I'm feeling about the relationship, which have been the same things for a while, she gets very defensive and we will argue, in the end leaving me appologising and her upset with me, while I was the one upset in the first place.

I feel as though the relationship is suffering. I want more and I feel that she wants less.
I want more affection, sex, intimate times. We haven't had sex for over a month, but it's bigger than that, it's simple kissing and hugging and general affection.

I also feel that I'm not very involved in her life. Not that I want to be her life, just be a part of it. Such things like, I haven't met a lot of her friends, only 2 or 3, though she talks about them all the time. Or I don't get invited to her events, for example her friends birthdays and such.

I apparently bring these up quite a bit. Which she says pushes her away or feels less interested in doing it when I ask about it. The only reason I bring them up often is because nothing has changed. It is the same thing regardless of the time I give her, and feel I should say something.

She asks to be accepted for who she is, and I believe I'm doing so. I am just voicing my feelings.

Help? What should be done? Or how should I go about this?
I feel as though if I do one thing, it's wrong, if I do the other, it's wrong.
I need a win - win situation.

Honest communication is best. Perhaps you should ask to sit down and say your views without her butting in and then for her to say hers. Maybe try getting involved? Plan a trip away or some new exciting things to do together.

Keeping your emotions bottled up is a ticking time bomb in a relationship what you are doing is right.

Is it possible your girlfriend is feeling that every time you say what you want that she is taking it as "you are a bad girlfriend why should I even have to ask for these things?". My guess is that's probably the case. She is a 20 year old girl who is having a hard time accepting that relationships take work and is taking any sign of work as a flaw in her ability to be a good girlfriend or competent in a relationship.

I would talk to her and say this has nothing to do with you, you are a great girlfriend and I love you but relationships cannot coast they require maintenance and work. I love you and want to see you more. Try it from this angle and see how it flows.

The problem is that men and women communicate differently. Men don't communicate how women do or how women would prefer them to do which is where the problems come in. Women go into full out panic mode when they misread their partner. She may think that any "complaint" you have means you are ready to walk away.

Thanks!

Glinda, I think you are right with this, and that was my thought too.
It seems every time I say anything remotely negative about the relationship, she takes it very personal. In turn she feels hurt and depressed about not being good enough or that I might not want this any more. Fact is, it is quite the opposite, she makes a great girlfriend, and I very much want this relationship.

I'm finding it really hard. If I do say anything, I end up appologising for hurting her and feel guilty for saying anything. But if I don't say it, I bottle things up and things continue down the same track of not good.

Personally I think GF does not want the same kind of relationship you want.
Talk to her when there is no argument. Sit her down and tell her not to interrupt, and I think you two should take a break from each other. You initiate the break

I think you should communicate with her!
Be honest. The more you are honest about your feelings with your partner, the more you will get out of your relationship.

I'm sorry but it doesn't sound good. When I care about a guy a lot, I want him to meet all of my friends and be at a majority of my events. I care about him, and want to share him with the other people I care about, so they will care about him too. The only time I wanted my ex boyfriend not to come to my events was when I wanted some sort of break or space. Also, no sex is no good, and it is a sign of problems in a relationship. I might initiate a break, and consequently, this may force her into dealing with the real issues when she realizes she might be losing you. Proceed with caution.

My girlfriend of 3 years broke up with me yesterday.
We've had our troubles and quite a lot of arguments. There is a lot to the story, but I'll give you what happened yesterday.

The day started fine with no problems.
By the end of the day (while I was at work) we had a large argument that started about nothing worth arguing about, which after things getting very heated, moved to her breaking things off. This was all over the phone.

I felt I needed and deserved to be told in person after 3 years, so when I finished work a couple of hours later I visited her place. She was crying a lot, and wasn't saying much so I appologised for the argument as it takes 2 and asked her if she stood by what she said about breaking up, or was she saying it out of anger. It took her a while to talk but then she explained she is not happy with how the relationship is, that things are too hard. So I asked her if she wanted this relationship, if she wanted to be with me. She said NO. I asked if she loved me, she said YES. I asked if she was sure that this is what she want's, she said I DON'T KNOW. I said I'm confused, and asked again, are you sure this break up is what you want. She took a couple of minutes, I could see her thinking it over. She said YES. After that I said bye and headed for the door as she started crying her eyes out again.

And that was it.

Contact or No contact?
Do I fight for this relationship? Do I let it go?
If she comes to me, do I take her back or tell her no?
Friends or not?

My gf of 3 years broke up with me yesterday.
We've had our troubles and quite a lot of arguments. There is a lot to the story, but i'll give you what happened yesterday.

The day started fine with no problems.
By the end of the day (while i was at work) we had a large argument that started about nothing worth arguing about, which after things getting very heated, moved to her breaking things off. This was all over the phone.

I felt I needed and deserved to be told in person after 3 years, so when i finished work a couple of hours later I visited her place. She was crying a lot, and wasn't saying much so I appologised for the argument as it takes 2 and asked her if she stood by what she said about breaking up, or was she saying it out of anger. It took her a while to talk but then she explained she is not happy with how the relationship is, that things are too hard. So I asked her if she wanted this relationship, if she wanted to be with me. She said NO. I asked if she loved me, she said YES. I asked if she was sure that this is what she want's, she said I DON'T KNOW. I said I'm confused, and asked again, are you sure this break up is what you want. She took a couple of minutes, I could see her thinking it over. She said YES. After that I said bye and headed for the door as she started crying her eyes out again.

And that was it.

Contact or No contact?
Do I fight for this relationship? Do I let it go?
If she comes to me, do I take her back or tell her no?
Friends or not?
There's obviously a lot going on with her, a lot on her mind, and a lot of things that need to be discussed thoroughly... I think you should go after her if you love her, you know she loves u.. everyone fights.. that makes it better.. brings people closer together depending on how you handle it but... 3 yrs is a lot and even though people break up after 10-20 years , I think its not going to hurt if you give it a shot.. at least get some closure know wats going on, so you know what you either did wrong, or what went wrong for future relationships.

I hope I'm wrong... however I feel something else is going on here. I see from your post and agree that she is confused however possibly someone else figures into this situation, again I hope I'm wrong?

(I need to vent, and would love some input)
I have recently been dumped by my girlfriend of 3 years. It's been about a week now, and although I'm accepting it, doing nc and keeping busy, I still can't help but wonder why it ended.

We were arguing a lot, for a long time, about the same things. I see the problem as, we never found a resolution or end to the arguments and therefore they'd resurface a week later.

The final straw for her was a very heated and intense argument where at the end she dumped me because she couldn't handle it anymore.

She came to me the next day and spoke with me, where for once we talked about the problems in a civil matter. She said that she "loves me and cares for me" and "didn't want to break up, but she couldn't handle the relationship the way it was". I accepted what she said, and told her that I love her and appologised for the way things have been as it takes 2 to argue. Once we aired our thoughts, we got a long well and had some laughs about the times we've had together, where she then said "thats what i want". She then asked for me to give her time. I reminded her that she can do what she wants, she's single. And as for me, I'll be getting on with life as hard as that might be right now.

It seems to me that she is maybe thinking twice about the break up.
Does she love me? If she cared she wouldn't have broken up right? If she couldn't handle it anymore, she could have talked to me instead of breaking up right? Why is she asking me for time?

I'm moving on and doing nc. BUT if SHE wants to get back together, and wants to try again, can I? I love her, miss her and didn't want the break up, therefore still want to be with her. But she left me when it got hard. I'm in 2 minds.

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If their wasn't enough communications going on to solve your problems then, what makes you think that the same old tired arguments won't frustrate you both, and break you up again? No communication, no relationship.

It took the break up for us to finally have a civil conversation and figure out a solution to the problem. We are both agree on the problem and see where we have gone wrong.

I know what your saying. We might end up in the same position again, neither of us want that and are hesitant to go back there.

I feel that ending a serious relationship should be over something irreparable, rather than something a heart felt conversation and good communication can't fix.

Anyway, it's over now. We need time away from each other. If it's meant to be, it will.

So I just got off the phone with my ex (I know, NC, I didn't know it was going to be her). We broke up about 2 weeks ago.

We had plans to see a concert tomorrow night (I'm going with a friend now), and she wanted to see if she could still go. Anyway, she turned the conversation to relationship talk fairly quickly and I tried to avoid as much as possible and keep it brief. She was talking like "i hope you know i still love you"... "i care about you and want to know how your going, what your doing"... "at this point i couldn't handle being together, but want to be friends" etc

So to my point, I asked her something that I had been thinking about.
I have asked her a couple of times since breaking up, "do you want to be with me?" and every time I have asked she has dodged the question and explained she couldn't handle the arguments and the way the relationship had been.

So while she brought up reationship stuff, I asked her why she dodges the question, only to hear the same thing about not wanting to be in the relationship again. So I pulled her up on it, the fact that she is still dodging it, and she replied with "Haven't you been listening, I still love you, you idiot"...

Opinions please? What does that mean?
Is she putting me in the friends zone with false hope? Because it sure feels like it.
What do I do with that?

That's why you don't answer the phone when you don't recognize the number.

Here is my take. She still loves you but like how your best friend loves you. I'm guess your best friend doesn't want to have sex with you or be your girlfriend (maybe he does - that's cool however I don't think so).

Again no contact is about you getting your stuff together. If you don't want to be in the friend zone then bounce out of this completely. Why would you do something to make her happy yet would make you miserable? Is that not the dumbest thing ever? Her happiness is not your responsibility. So what if she gets mad if you aren't friend too damn bad. The relationship ended it says no where that you have to stay friends or that you should even stay friends. The person who dumps ALWAYS wants to stay friends. Well guess what you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either she takes it all or gets none. Remember that.

(btw is this sounds rough its not to you its just how to people expect anyone to get better when they are constantly jumping in front of them saying junk like this? It steams me)

"I still love you, you idiot" hahahaha, yea this sounds like someone that cares about you. Honestly, when thing slike this pop up it makes me think that there is someone else in the picture that you don't know about. It sounds to me that she is trying to play with you, I would just let it go and save you sanity. I agree with Glinda, it sounds like she doesn't have those kind of feeling sfor you, but is just too afraid to tell you.

I have to answer the phone, I'm running a small business and it could mean work.

I'm not sure whether it was a love you as a friend thing or not, it sounded genuine though. It sounded as thought she wants us but isn't ready for it now, that was my take, or maybe that's how I wanted to hear it. But then that's why I'm asking, I'm unsure.

PS. I agree, how can I get better when I hear this? I was doing good at NC too.

If anything I think it was a ploy to pull you back into her world. Since that is so common with dumpers. They want to know they can still have you in their world and will do or say whatever it takes sometimes.

This isn't your problem. If she calls again simply say I'm sorry I'm too busy right now to speak to you. We will talk later. Then hang up. That's it end of story. She doesn't dictate your life and you don't dictate hers. That's how breaking up works.

Sounds to me like she does not want you right now, and she does not want you to move on. Unfortunately she can't have her cake and eat it too. If you have to answer the phone and it is her, tell her you can't talk and then hang up. No contact is the best way to figure out who you are and what you need in a relationship.

As the saying goes:

"If you love someone, let them go.
If they come back, they're yours.
If they don't, they never were."

On the verge of break up:

1. If they go, do they love you?

2. If they go, why have them back?

3. If they don't go, will things repeat themselves until they do go?

Here is what I have learned based my past situations:
On the verge of break up:

1. If they go, do they love you?
Yes, in fact they in almost every case still do but are not "in love" with you. The two are so very different emotions.

2. If they go, why have them back?
Sometimes all it takes is a simple action, something that you tucked away forever that you thought you would never see again, a subtle reminder of them in some way to suddenly spark all of those suppressed feelings to come back. It's like a huge rush that hits you... and you don't know what to do. Then you will see the pain you went through and see why you don't want them back...

3. If they don't go, will things repeat themselves until they do go?
Only if YOU let it to... you control YOUR life...

I agree with what your saying.. I'm dong that at the moment with my ex girlfriend. Its very hard.. but if you love the person.. you have too. I mean.. I've been there for my girlfriend in everyway I can think of.. her birthday, I was only person there with her family.. I've been NOTHING but nice to her, going ot her job with flowers and I even wrote her a poem with her favorite rose with it. I mean we just broke up yesterday, about this time.. 9 am.. but I let her go. Sooner or later she will realise how good of a boyfriend I was and she will miss me more if I leave her be. AT the same time.. I'm just scared that ill stop loving her.
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/relationships/girl-friend-needs-time-off-until-she-fixes-self-134346.html
--- if anyone has any feedback on my story share it.

You won't stop loving her you are just saying that give her te space she needs and let her unconfuse herself

I guess this may be a general question for a few people, but it is something I'm going through now.

I finally cleaned through my house and gathered all of my ex's items (clothing, shoes, cd's, movies etc). How do I approach giving these back? And how do I go about claiming what is mine at her house?

What should you do with mutual things ("our" things) from a relationship? e.g.. A photo album of pictures together.

Personally I wold pack up all of their things and send them back to them via the postal service. If they return your things in return then consider yourself lucky.

Mutual things is up to you. I would probably throw them out.

Thrw them out, even though the mutual things are memories of my life?
There are about 3 photo albums.

I didn't say that's what you should do. I personally would go through them and keep a few that held something special - things like vacations, family events, etc. All the rest the random shots I would dump. I personally don't feel very sentimental post breakup and usually do not feel a connection to the past events so maybe I'm bad person to answer about the mutual stuff.

Is she putting me in the friends zone with false hope? Because it sure feels like it.
What do I do with that?
She wants her freedom, but she also wants you in her life as someone she enjoys being with. Yes this is friendzone, and if you cannot handle that, and want more, then you should back off and heal.

1. If they go, do they love you?
Yes you do.
2. If they go, why have them back?
Because thats what you want for now.

3. If they don't go, will things repeat themselves until they do go?
Yes, unless you change or they change, how they have been dealing with the relationship.

and how do I go about claiming what is mine at her house?

Ask for them or forget them. In light of how you have done her things, Don't expect much.