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tomder55
May 16, 2024, 02:02 AM
Trump has been calling for debates since March . Clueless Joe did not respond until yesterday .There is only one reason for this shift .His campaign is risking him leaving the safety of the basement because he is desperate to change the narrative . He masked it with bravado .

(1) Joe Biden on X: "Donald Trump lost two debates to me in 2020. Since then, he hasn’t shown up for a debate. Now he’s acting like he wants to debate me again. Well, make my day, pal. https://t.co/AkPmvs2q4u" / X (twitter.com) (https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1790713878248038478)



Poll after poll shows that he is losing in key swing states The compliant press is having a hard time defending his record and may be ready to throw him under the bus.

Trump still has a 'never Trump' problem in the GOP . Tuesday's primaries showed there is still a significant part of the GOP that is willing to jump ship or be no shows in November .(Nikki got 31% in Maryland ;18% in Nebraska ;9.5% in WV) . Maybe had he participated in the GOP debates he could've put any GOP opposition away.

Both Trump and Joe want the exclude the 3rd party candidates in any debate they participate in .So they are going to skip the Commission on Presidential Debates format . They both realize that the Commission's format doesn't work ;especially given the reality that early voting is here to stay. The Commission's debates were scheduled in the Fall ;long after early voting begins and people have made up their mind .
The Commission has done a poor job in controlling the debaters ;the partisan audience in attendance, and the moderators and both candidates know it.


I'm surprised Trump proposed a CNN and ABC moderated debate and shocked he would agree to allowing them the authority to cut off his mike.

It is not clear yet what the rules are so I don't know how that will work . Joe's camp believe that Trump's uncontrollable and that comes will come out clear in debates to their advantage .

Trump believes that Clueless Joe cannot stay on script and will likely make a major error . They may give Joe that special juice that keeps him awake past bed time; but he also appears as if he has been dipping into Hunter's stash when that happens .

Trump wants more debates than 2 ;and to have at least one in a large gathering . That works to his strengths and Joe will likely decline that .

My preference would be to have a series of debates in the Lincoln-Douglas format .
(A single topic is debated One debater argues the affirmative side and one debater argues the negative side.)
But I fear Americans in the 21st century do not have the attention span and would quickly lose interest .

tomder55
May 16, 2024, 04:00 AM
CNN is now backtracking about Kennedy. They claim that if he meets a criteria of a 15% showing in national polls that he is in. Both Trump and Joe's campaign insist that CNN had already agreed to the 1 on 1 format .


“President Biden made his terms clear for two one-on-one debates, and Donald Trump accepted those terms,” campaign chair Jen O’Malley Dillon said in a statement. “No more games. No more chaos, no more debate about debates.”

A Trump campaign official said a CNN producer had given assurances in a call Wednesday morning that “RFK will not be on the stage,” after describing the criteria for the event.



Biden and Trump agree to CNN debate in June, ABC faceoff in September - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/05/15/biden-trump-presidential-debates/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiossneakpeek&stream=top)

jlisenbe
May 16, 2024, 04:24 AM
I would think that Kennedy has no chance of hitting 15%. If he does, then Biden is even toastier than he appears to be now.

I'm already quite certain that Trump will be a major disappointment. He has no ability to discipline himself and will come across as being his usual unprepared self. In this case, however, Biden will likely come across as the washed-up, senile, dottering old timer that he is, and that will be enough for Trump to appear to have "won".

tomder55
May 20, 2024, 04:53 AM
Barring delays or appeals ,it appears that one of Joe's talking points will be muted or diluted going into the debate .

By all accounts ;even by Dem compliant press ; the case against Trump in the hush money trial is a bust . It may even end with a dismissal before the defense makes it's case . Now in it's 5th week ;prosecution has not yet stated directly what crime (statutes ) Trump criminally violated .

But on top of that ; a combo of Hunter Biden trials are scheduled to begin in the weeks before the June 27 debate.


The topic of the Biden Crime family came up in the 2020 debates.

At the time Quid said that Hunter did nothing wrong ;made no money from Ukraine and China; that “50 former national intelligence folks” called the laptop and the charge against Hunter Russian disinformation ,and he knew nothing about Hunter's business.........all damn lies !

After the compliant press and social media collaborated in a coverup ,we now know the laptop was real ;Hunter made money from influence peddling in Ukraine ,Russia ,and China ; that Quid collaborated ,often with direct discussions with Hunter's partners and clients ;and that the Biden crime family had a web of shell companies to hide the transactions. That is what the tax evasion charges against Hunter are all about.

This time Trump has the proof of his 2o2o claims about the Biden Crime Family .......if he doesn't do something stupid (that discipline thing )

tomder55
Jun 12, 2024, 12:59 PM
OK So starting the beginning of this month Joe has had a grueling public schedule even for a vigorous person. He cam back from embarrising himself and the nation during his D Day performance. He was physically exhausted to the point of a full minute comatose blank stare during the Juneteenth Day event . He now heads off to Italy for a crucial G7 meeting .

When he returns (and maybe goes to the beach ) he will no doubt go to Camp David for debate prep.

How much kickapo joy juice will it take to get him prepped for that ?

Or as KellyAnne opined
I'LL BE BACK!!! on X: "Kellyanne Conway- I wonder what’s going to happen to him (Biden) medically at Camp David for 10 days because we have no hard evidence that Joe Biden can stand anywhere let alone at a podium intimidated by Donald Trump feet away from him for 90 minutes without a teleprompter https://t.co/iz4Pa3zlvf" / X (https://x.com/DavidYeshua4/status/1800879959533379966)


No wonder why Trump has asked for pre-debate drug tests .

jlisenbe
Jun 12, 2024, 01:03 PM
Few things have surprised me more than Biden agreeing to this debate. It seems clear that they know they are losing big and must take even outrageous risks in order to turn this around.

Wondergirl
Jun 12, 2024, 05:14 PM
Trump won't debate. (He doesn't know how.)

Yeah, "outrageous risks." The only one would be Trump "debating".

jlisenbe
Jun 12, 2024, 07:13 PM
Time will tell, WG. Trump is not a good debater, but considering the fact that Biden will have to go on that stage absent a fully-functional mind, I think Trump will have the advantage. We'll see.

Need some evidence for that? Try this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vpIF65ISZU

Hope you are feeling better. Welcome back!!

tomder55
Jun 13, 2024, 04:36 AM
I left off some stops on his way to debate prep. From Italy he is flying to California non-stop to have a campaign appearance with his boss the emperor . Then he is flying to Virginia for another campaign event with Bubba.
From there he will do
debate prep for about a week and a half. Will that be enough time to program his replies and pump him up with enough kickapoo joy juice to function ?

I have heard conflicting reports about if they will sit or stand during the debate . I hope Trump did not agree to sit. Although it is no guarantee that is to Clueless Joe's advantage .

Joe sitting at D Day event



Joe standing at D Day event



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Wondergirl
Jun 13, 2024, 09:56 AM
Time will tell, WG. Trump is not a good debater, but considering the fact that Biden will have to go on that stage absent a fully-functional mind, I think Trump will have the advantage. We'll see.
And Trump has a fully-functioning mind??? Haven't you watched him fumble and stumble and meander but in a loud voice so he sounds sooooooo assertive like a dictator. E.g., Trump, June 5:

"Religion is such a great thing, it keeps you, y’know, there’s something to be good about. You want to be good,” Trump said. “When you have something like that, you want to be good. You want to go to heaven, OK? You want to go to heaven. If you don’t have heaven, you almost say, ‘What’s the reason? Why do I have to be good? Let’s not be good, what difference does it make.’”

Plus, now he's waffling on abortion. Maybe he has realized (or more likely has been told -- since he's not good at objectivity) that he's losing Repub women's votes because of his stand on abortion.

Thanks for missing me, JL! Every week I have new medical adventures. I won't bore you with details.

tomder55
Jun 13, 2024, 12:49 PM
Plus, now he's waffling on abortion. Maybe he has realized (or more likely has been told -- since he's not good at objectivity) that he's losing Repub women's votes because of his stand on abortion.

Yes of course that is why . From a political perspective I agree that strict pro-life is a losing position. The mid-term elections should've made that clear .

And that is not all. He is making a full court press for the youth vote. . Clueless Joe has not delivered on his promise to them . So Trump sees opportunity . It is why as an example that he went from a ban on TikTok to being a TikTok user . He has suddenly embraced cryptocurrency because the kids like to use it . He recently proposed changing the tax structure to eliminate taxing income from tips .

It seems to be working for him .

Quinnipiac U poll has Trump up with youth age 18-34

5/22/24 - 2024 Race: Biden-Trump Matchup Margin Razor Thin With Nearly 1 In 5 Voters Likely To Change Their Minds, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; More Than 7 In 10 Voters Plan To Watch June Debate | Quinnipiac University Poll (https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3898&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top)

The Slimes Siena poll has Joe up by 2 in that age group. 2020 Joe beat Trump hands down with the youth vote.

Cross-Tabs: April 2024 Times/Siena Poll of the Likely Electorate - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/04/14/us/elections/times-siena-poll-likely-electorate-crosstabs.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top)


Will Joe be able to point out Trump's cynical flip flopping ? Will he be able to defend the fact that he has not delivered for them in any way ?

jlisenbe
Jun 13, 2024, 01:29 PM
"Religion is such a great thing, it keeps you, y’know, there’s something to be good about. You want to be good,” Trump said. “When you have something like that, you want to be good. You want to go to heaven, OK? You want to go to heaven. If you don’t have heaven, you almost say, ‘What’s the reason? Why do I have to be good? Let’s not be good, what difference does it make.’”So he is pro-religion. Is that a problem?

At any rate, trying to suggest that Trump's mental fitness is on the same level of disorder as Biden's is really a losing argument. He is plainly in a far better place the JB.


Plus, now he's waffling on abortion. Maybe he has realized (or more likely has been told -- since he's not good at objectivity) that he's losing Repub women's votes because of his stand on abortion.Correct. It's a sad day when being pro-life is a losing proposition. I guess death is a more popular stance.


Thanks for missing me, JL! Every week I have new medical adventures. I won't bore you with details.It does seem to come with age. My wife has had a, shall we say, "adventurous" last two years. She's better now, but it can be distressing. Hang in there!!

Wondergirl
Jun 13, 2024, 04:07 PM
So he is pro-religion. Is that a problem?
He has no clue as to what is in the Bible! He can't even recite Genesis 1:1! Or doesn't know the difference between the Old and New Testaments! Or know who Jonathan was! Or Paul!

Wondergirl
Jun 13, 2024, 04:57 PM
Correct. It's a sad day when being pro-life is a losing proposition. I guess death is a more popular stance.

Promise that you and your grown children will adopt at least six to ten of those unwanted babies that weren't aborted. Set a good example and inspire friends and neighbors to do the same!

Wondergirl
Jun 13, 2024, 05:06 PM
At any rate, trying to suggest that Trump's mental fitness is on the same level of disorder as Biden's is really a losing argument. He is plainly in a far better place the JB.
If ony Biden would ramble and shout and utter senseless statements like Trump does...

tomder55
Jun 14, 2024, 02:01 AM
These moments occur daily now . At the G7 meeting the leaders watched a parachute demonstration . Clueless Joe suddenly wandered off . Italy PM Giorgia Meloni quickly walked to him and ushered him back to the group to take a photo. He then for some reason put on a pair of aviator glassed .It looked like even that was a struggle.


Video of President Biden Seeming to Wander Off at G7 Goes Viral Sparking Concerns - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y9R3Fx8vL4)

I won't even get into the long term reckless defense agreement he made with Zelensky . I'll comment on my prelude to WWIII posting .

It is dangerous for him to continue as President . I am not sure the nation can afford to wait until January next year to remove him. His cabinet and the Dems need to step up to the plate and do what is necessary .

tomder55
Jun 14, 2024, 03:20 AM
Correct. It's a sad day when being pro-life is a losing proposition. I guess death is a more popular stance.

Apparently so . Gallup says there is a clear rise in the number of single issue abortion voters(32% of those polled) .75 % of them are pro-infanticide .



The electoral repercussions of being an avowed “pro-choice” or “pro-life” candidate for higher office have changed since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in 2022. Before the decision, pro-life candidates had a marginal advantage in voters prioritizing the issue in their vote choices. Since the decision, pro-choice candidates have jumped way ahead on this metric.

Record Share of U.S. Electorate Is Pro-Choice and Voting on It (gallup.com) (https://news.gallup.com/poll/645836/record-share-electorate-pro-choice-voting.aspx?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiospm&stream=top)

At the Repub powwow yesterday Trump urged GOP to speak in a unified voice that abortion is a state issue

SCOTUS ;in line with it's Dobbs decision , decided yesterday that the availability of the drug mifepristone aka abortion pill ;was a state matter also .It was a unanimous opinion written by Cavanaugh (maybe he was responding to the whirlwind) .
23-235 FDA v. Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine (06/13/2024) (supremecourt.gov) (https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-235_n7ip.pdf)

Basically SCOTUS is tired of dealing with the issue . Cavanaugh wrote that “federal courts are the wrong forum for addressing the plaintiffs’ concerns about FDA’s actions.”


Abortion became an issue at the G7 meeting also . Meloni (who is the only leader at the group that is polling over 40% sparred with other leaders over words in the final message that called for "safe and legal abortion"

"All the other countries backed them, but it was a red line for Meloni so it is absent from the final text," one diplomat told Reuters.

Italy and France spar over abortion at G7 summit | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-tussles-with-allies-over-g7-abortion-reference-diplomats-say-2024-06-13/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiospm&stream=top)

jlisenbe
Jun 14, 2024, 06:02 AM
It will all come down to Trump. Four years ago, he had an opportunity to show himself as an accomplished president and businessman while at the same time showing Biden to be a basement-bound hermit with diminished mental skills. He completely failed on both accounts, and instead came across as an unprepared, thoughtless blowhard. I hope he learned from that failure, but I doubt it. We'll see. The great difference is that he can't help himself much in this debate since he is already well ahead in polling. The key now is to let Biden bury himself even further. But leave it to Trump to come out of this debate looking like a temperamental old man while letting Biden look presidential.

tomder55
Jun 16, 2024, 02:41 AM
Prominent Dems and the compliant press have started the dump Clueless Joe movement .

James Carville says Biden should not have run for re-election (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2024/06/09/us-news/james-carville-says-biden-should-not-have-run-for-re-election/)

Polling guru floats the idea of Biden dropping out: At some point 'continuing to run is a bigger risk' | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/media/polling-guru-floats-biden-dropping-out-some-point-continuing-run-bigger-risk)


Opinion | The Question Is Not If Biden Should Step Aside. It’s How. - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/10/opinion/joe-biden-convention-2024.html)

It’s Not Just That Biden Is Old - The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/03/biden-age-trump-polling-2024-election/677648/)

jlisenbe
Jun 16, 2024, 04:47 AM
I can see Michelle Obama looking at this as an opportunity to run for pres without having to undergo a full year of having her life and policy beliefs examined closely.

tomder55
Jun 17, 2024, 02:30 AM
New rules are being disclosed. I can't for the life of me understand why Trump agreed to have the opponent's mike muted while the other one speaks. Part of Trump's debate strategy is the interruption. This rule undermines his method However other rules like having to stand at a podium for 90 minutes works in Trump's favor.

Now about that cognitive decline of Clueless Joe .............

That star studded funder in California did not go well for the President . He had another freeze in place moment . He had to be led off the stage by the emperor who grabbed his arm and guided Joe off the stage; hand on back.... puppet and puppet master style

Chris Gardner on X: "That’s a wrap on record-setting Democratic fundraiser for Joe Biden’s reelection campaign (netting $28M). Former President Barack Obama and President Joe Biden offer final waves to Peacock Theater crowd as Obama then grabs Biden’s hand to lead him offstage following 40-minute https://t.co/xbE2jf3jdz" / X (https://x.com/chrissgardner/status/1802239454314410096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1802239454314410096%7Ctwgr% 5Ea618daf1c9039b0c0414ca6c240f5240c13fba13%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnypost.com%2F2024%2F06%2F16% 2Fus-news%2Fbiden-appears-to-freeze-up-has-to-be-led-off-stage-by-obama-at-mega-bucks-la-fundraiser%2F)

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSmUG96MUgndFXWHa7ysuiyyNTz06lK-8LeGO4JERlLXS3-Ur3tckLWrkuG79FIq9QvjXo&usqp=CAU

As the President likes to say "this is no joke folks"

jlisenbe
Jun 17, 2024, 04:19 AM
I'm glad to see the muted mic rule. Trump tends to make himself look foolish with his constant interruptions. If he would actually spend quality time in preparation, he wouldn't have to. These debates make me a little nervous. If the past is any indicator, Trump will be his usual bombastic, loud-mouthed self. He could very well lose votes just by being a basic axxhole.

And if Biden is indeed a dottering old man, and if he comes across that way in the debate, then Trump needs to simply let that speak for itself. Anything more will be seen as piling on and meanness.

tomder55
Jun 17, 2024, 04:43 PM
What WG failed to tell us is that the Dems have hired her to do their messaging

Stung by the obvious mental fumbing by Clueless Joe in the last week ;a coordinated message by the compliant press echos the whataboutTrump deflection we have read here .

All in the last hours and over the weekend

Trump flubs his doctor’s name while boasting about cognitive test (msnbc.com) (https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-flubs-doctors-name-boasting-cognitive-test-rcna157464)

Cognitive Decline? Trump Can’t Stop Fumbling During Rambling Speech | The New Republic (https://newrepublic.com/post/182792/cognitive-decline-trump-fumbling-rambling-speech)

"He couldn't even remember me": Trump has "severe memory issues," says author who interviewed him | Salon.com (https://www.salon.com/2024/06/17/he-couldnt-even-remember-me-has-severe-memory-issues-says-author-interviewed-him/)

Trump cognitive decline increasingly difficult to conceal despite setting low bar (msnbc.com) (https://www.msnbc.com/alex-wagner-tonight/watch/trump-cognitive-decline-increasingly-difficult-to-conceal-despite-setting-low-bar-213045317515)

Krugman: Trump’s Mental State Is Visibly Getting Much More Alarming | The New Republic (https://newrepublic.com/article/182784/krugman-trumps-mental-state-visibly-getting-much-alarming)

Trump celebrates 78th birthday amid concerns about mental fitness (msnbc.com) (https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/trump-78-birthday-age-mental-fitness-rcna157200)

"Could not keep a straight thought": CEOs worry about Trump's mental decline after "meandering" talk (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/news/could-not-keep-straight-thought-175807745.html)

Well done WG . How much are the Dems paying for you managing their messaging ?

Wondergirl
Jun 17, 2024, 07:19 PM
I've been a Republican since I first was legally able to register to vote. I'm not permitted to dislike (for good reason!!!) a Republican candidate?

tomder55
Jun 18, 2024, 12:36 AM
I don't like Trump either . That is not the point. I just pointed out the coincidence that the Dems have suddenly gone on the attack about Trump. He has always spoken first and thought later .

There is a CLEAR decline in Clueless. from 4 years ago. Just look at his debate performances in 2020 compared to today. I don't believe the Dems will let him get on stage for 90 minutes. He may be able to get juiced up enough for half that time unscripted

Did you see his sit down Q&A with the emperor with Jimmy Kimmel of all people being the moderator ? Probably not because the compliant press did not cover it .

'You know, my, my, my son says, you ought to have a, uh, you know, we all have, uh, various short-term descriptions for your jobs, for what you're accomplished. You should say, 'Joe jobs.'

This was in front of a very friendly Hollywierdo audience with no one challenging what he said . What will happen in a debate ? The only thing that saves him is that for some strange reason Trump agreed to have 2 moderators hostile to him.
RNC Research on X: "BIDEN: We have the "highest unemployment" in 50 years! "You know, my, my, my son says, you ought to have a, uh, you know, we all have, uh, various short-term descriptions for your jobs, for what you're accomplished. You should say, 'Joe jobs.'" 😬 https://t.co/UWa8xEdBB8" / X (https://x.com/RNCResearch/status/1802736534832992352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1802736534832992352%7Ctwgr% 5E60cb9e3cfec2ab25d0de01c4f90b9ff72a992d10%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.oann.com%2Fnewsroom%2Fbi den-freezes-and-stumbles-over-his-words-at-fundraiser-obama-escorts-him-off-stage-senior-moment%2F)

But the same compliant press reports from every outlet that Trump forgot the name of the doctor that gave him a cognitive test .

tomder55
Jun 18, 2024, 01:25 AM
Of course none of this matters if Josh Christianson of the NY Post is correct . The fix is in ;American elections are rigged .


Welfare offices and other agencies (https://nypost.com/2024/02/10/metro/thousands-of-migrants-get-cash-aid-through-hochul-policy-change/) in 49 US states are providing voter registration forms to migrants without requiring proof of citizenship (https://nypost.com/2024/03/25/us-news/city-council-asks-highest-court-to-allow-non-citizens-to-vote/)....

Every state but Arizona — which recently passed a law barring the practice (https://apnews.com/article/arizona-voting-laws-citizenship-proof-50dafd68f8dd4af5cf669afa62efdf19) on state but not federal forms — gives applicants for either welfare benefits, driver’s licenses, or in some cases, mail-in ballots voter registration forms without demanding proof of citizenship.
There is currently no requirement on federal voting forms to provide proof of US citizenship (https://www.eac.gov/sites/default/files/eac_assets/1/6/Federal_Voter_Registration_ENG.pdf), though it is illegal to falsely claim one is a citizen or for a non-citizen to cast a ballot in a federal election.
But millions of migrants with humanitarian parole, refugee or asylum status are eligible for benefits that would bring them to the offices where voter registration takes place.

The National Voter Registration Act (NVRA) of 1993 ordered states to register voters at the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) and agencies where Americans apply for public benefits — and those offices are required by federal law to hand over the registration forms along with the application papers.

If an applicant attests that they are a US citizen, that is considered valid on its face and the person is registered to vote.

How non-citizens are getting voter registration forms across the US — and how Republicans are trying to stop it (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2024/06/14/us-news/how-non-citizens-are-getting-voter-registration-forms-across-the-us-and-how-republicans-are-trying-to-stop-it/)

Most states don't bother cleaning up their voter rolls or purging them of ineligible voters . Yet the chorus sings "NO evidence of fraud "

Exhaustive fact check finds little evidence of voter fraud, but 2020’s ‘Big Lie’ lives on | PBS News Hour (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/exhaustive-fact-check-finds-little-evidence-of-voter-fraud-but-2020s-big-lie-lives-on)

The Times Called Officials in Every State: No Evidence of Voter Fraud - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/politics/voting-fraud.html)

William Barr says there is no evidence of widespread fraud in US presidential election | CNN Politics (https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/01/politics/william-barr-election-2020/index.html)

Requiring proof of citizenship is considered voter suppression. Yes it is suppression ;it is to suppress the illegal vote. Even voter ID is ineffective in preventing illegals to vote since they can produce valid Federal and State ID under this law.

The National Voter Registration Act (NVRA) aka "motor voter" is a creation of Senator Chris Dodd that was signed by Bubba . The damage Dodd did to this nation in his tenure is incalculable . Besides destroying election integrity he and Rep Barney Frank were most responsible for the financial collapse of 2008 that helped usher in the era of the emperor .

tomder55
Jun 18, 2024, 03:24 AM
as far as Trump support with Black voters ;this is data from Trump hating CNN


the most recent polling data compared to polls at the same point of the 2020 campaign show Trump “careening towards a historic performance” among black voters. The presumptive Republican nominee is up 14 points — from 7% support from black voters at this point in 2020 to 21% now, according to CNN’s data. Meanwhile, Biden has fallen 16 points, sitting at 70% among black voters now compared to 86% at this point in 2020.

CNN Polling Expert Says Trump ‘Careening Towards A Historic Performance’ Among Black Voters (dailywire.com) (https://www.dailywire.com/news/cnn-polling-expert-says-trump-careening-towards-a-historic-performance-among-black-voters)

Wondergirl
Jun 18, 2024, 10:23 AM
Neither Trump NOR Biden should run for US president. Both are too old already! -- plus four more years in office???

tomder55
Jun 19, 2024, 02:15 AM
Shame on the Dems for continuing to deny the President has serious cognitive decline . Millions of Americans have had to deal with family and friends who suffer some form of dementia and we know what we are seeing . Shame on KJP ;the Dems ;and the compliant press for going with the complete BS we heard yesterday that what we are looking at is deep and cheap fakes . You are all liars !!!\

White House Calls Biden Videos 'Fake', Sparking Republican Outrage - Newsweek (https://www.newsweek.com/white-house-calls-biden-videos-fake-sparking-republican-outrage-1913965)

Video: White House pushes back on GOP claims Biden froze during fundraiser | CNN Politics (https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/17/politics/video/biden-fundraiser-obama-gop-saenz-ebof-digvid)



What you are doing is misinformation on an Orwellian scale.

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

(George Orwell '1984')

announces executive action to protect undocumented spouses of U.S. citizens — 6/18/24 (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOHoCJf3cx8&t=9s)


If I am Trump during the debate I say "I yield my time to my opponent ..... let him keep talking"

jlisenbe
Jun 19, 2024, 04:28 AM
If I am Trump during the debate I say "I yield my time to my opponent ..... let him keep talking"I suspect Biden will be hyped up enough with prescription meds to at least keep from looking comatose. But yes, by all means Trump should allow Biden to simply look old and feeble. During his time, he might want to try putting forward a coherent plan for moving forward, but that is probably far too much to hope for.

tomder55
Jun 19, 2024, 04:33 AM
He's got it . It's called ' Project 25' although the Dems and the compliant press make it out to be 'Mein Kampf '

2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf (project2025.org) (https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf)




Democratic lawmaker slams Project 25 as 'un-American' (thehill.com) (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4724227-madeleine-dean-project-2025-trump-election/)

Project 2025, if allowed, will cement America as a rightwing authoritarian state • Michigan Advance (https://michiganadvance.com/2024/01/16/project-2025-if-allowed-will-cement-america-as-a-rightwing-authoritarian-state/)

Trump’s Project 2025 plot would take ‘wrecking ball’ to US institutions, key Democrat warns | Republicans | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/11/trump-project-2025-wrecking-ball)

jlisenbe
Jun 19, 2024, 12:01 PM
Thought about reading it until I saw it is over 900 pages long. Someone should remind him of the wildly successful Contract With American.


On the first day of their majority in the House, the Republicans promised to bring up for vote, eight major reforms:[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_with_America#cite_note-Politico-5)[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_with_America#cite_note-BillOfRightsInstitute-6)


Require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply to Congress;
Select a major, independent auditing firm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Four_auditors) to conduct a comprehensive audit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audit) of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
Cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
Limit the terms of all committee chairs;
Ban the casting of proxy votes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_voting) in committee;
Require committee meetings to be open to the public;
Require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
Guarantee an honest accounting of the federal budget (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_budget_process) by implementing zero base-line budgeting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-based_budgeting).

tomder55
Jun 19, 2024, 01:52 PM
It is easy
1. Create a smaller Federal Government The bureaucracy is and should be under executive control .The President should be the boss. Some agencies need to be eliminated some need to be overhauled .Some independent agencies need to be brought under reign of the Executive Reinstitute Schedule F to reclassify some Federal workers to give the President more authority to fire them if needed.

.Eliminating woke and DEI from all laws and federal regulations

2 Immigration complete the wall . As with all the agencies consolidate and streamline. He also proposes fast tracking some immigration as needed or as the applicant can pay

3. Climate and economy . Drill baby drill. Defund green new steal . Increase tariffs while at the same time having bilateral free trade deals.

Taxes cut corporate taxes and income taxes .(I could go on a whole essay on how funding a limited government with tariffs was good until the 1913 when the 16th amendment was passed. The government has grown in proportion to how much the government can appropriate from the people. )

4 Abortion It takes no position beyond taking mifepristone off the market .

5 Education school choice and parental control .

Day one Trump will start implementing Day one the law suits against it will begin.

6 America's role in the world would be redefined and reset including an honest assessment of who our enemies and friends are .We would still be in a great power game with a focus on China. Strategic and economic decoupling with China is recommended DHS would be dismantled . Some of it incorporated into the DOD .Some in more logical domestic agencies Modernize the nuclear arsenal to deter both China and Russia.
Other ideas is to reduce or eliminate participation in global agencies and defund accordingly. (IMF World Bank )

Trump of course would have a final say and he has been known to pivot in the past .

Also this was compiled by conservative allies . But Trump is not as conservative as people pretend he is . He supposedly has his own priorities that has not been published officially yet.

tomder55
Jun 19, 2024, 02:39 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQcqj62XoAAp-91?format=png&name=small

tomder55
Jun 19, 2024, 03:00 PM
New video (not deep fake) shows Joe struggling to enter a Suburban on his way to a beach retreat before he heads to Camp David for debate prep. Secret Service gave him a boost .

Trump War Room on X: "Crooked Joe Biden—who is hardly ambulatory at this point—had a really hard time getting into the SUV 😬 https://t.co/KjoUFFeJow" / X (https://x.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1803452360699629815?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1803453319756566906%7Ctwgr% 5Ef68a3e3aec1fdeb86efae2adbe1a456d02fb1f2f%7Ctwcon %5Es2_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftrendingpoliticsnews.com%2Fw atch-biden-struggles-to-get-in-a-car-while-secret-service-shields-him-from-cameras-mace%2F)

Meanwhile Kam the Sham hosted Queer Eye cast at the White House.

Vice President Kamala Harris on X: "The cast of @QueerEye joined me at the White House to discuss the hard-fought progress the LGBTQI+ community has made in the past 20 years. Thank you for a meaningful conversation, for giving my office your stamp of approval, and for being fabulous. https://t.co/L3pzaYpo1W" / X (https://x.com/VP/status/1803175779259265468?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1803175779259265468%7Ctwgr% 5E1da58927a8f6eef49577e1ac05f8e3c4b12c5879%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2 Farticle-13542455%2FBiden-gets-surprise-boost-CNN-debate-Trump-despite-mounting-age-concerns-Follow-politics-blog-biggest-stories-day.html)

jlisenbe
Jun 19, 2024, 07:52 PM
I would suggest they add this to Project 25.

Guarantee an honest accounting of the federal budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.

tomder55
Jun 20, 2024, 02:42 AM
You, and every American, owes $100,000 . Pay up

You owe $100,000 | Opinion | standard-journal.com (https://www.standard-journal.com/opinion/article_5aa2ed82-2e14-11ef-a508-0b23bffef793.html)

tomder55
Jun 20, 2024, 03:01 AM
New theory ;going to Camp David has nothing to do with debate prep . The real reason for the sequester is to keep Clueless Joe out of the news for a week. A week of no stumbles mumbles and gaffes combined with KJP introducing the Orwellian term "cheap fakes " into the compliant press vernacular is the real goal .

Cheap fake = editing a second of a video showing Joe wandering off aimlessly until Giorgia Meloni shepherds him back in line as a border collie would do a sheep .

Deep fake = The compliant press editing Trump's words in Charlottesville.

Deep State fake = Evita paying for Steele Dossier and the FBI using it as a pretext to persecute Trump.

jlisenbe
Jun 20, 2024, 04:26 AM
Deep State fake = Evita paying for Steele Dossier and the FBI using it as a pretext to persecute Trump.A crime for which I hope Trump, if elected, will hold the guilty responsible, at least to the point of getting the truth before the public eye.

tomder55
Jun 20, 2024, 04:45 AM
Cheap fake = Jill Biden(the great enabling "doctor") calling out Robert Hur for bringing up Beau Biden's death when in fact it was Joe who brought it up during his interview with the Special Council.

She also laughingly suggested that Joe's age is an advantage.

Jill Biden, in message to supporters, calls out special counsel's mention of Beau Biden's death - ABC News (go.com) (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jill-biden-message-supporters-calls-special-counsels-mention/story?id=107139308)

Transcript of Biden interview with Robert Hur reveals key details | AP News (https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-beau-special-counsel-80eaaee6de62c0c7b455c03d39502ecb)


The compliant press and the bleating sheep of the left have their talking point going into the debates .

Jane Fonda: I’m Older Than Biden and He’s ‘Just Fine’ (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/news/jane-fonda-m-older-biden-151259666.html)

The Daily Show: Jon Stewart Talks Trump's Hypocrisy About Biden's Age (deadline.com) (https://deadline.com/2024/06/the-daily-show-jon-stewart-says-donald-trump-tripping-over-his-own-d-coming-after-joe-biden-age-1235976700/)

Right-wing media misleadingly used a video from a fundraiser to renew their attacks on Biden's age | Media Matters for America (https://www.mediamatters.org/joe-biden/right-wing-media-misleadingly-used-video-fundraiser-renew-their-attacks-bidens-age)

Republicans Target Biden Over His Age With Deceptive Videos (rollingstone.com) (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/biden-cheap-fakes-republicans-trump-deceptive-videos-1235042544/)

How Biden can push back on Trump attacks about his age (msnbc.com) (https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/biden-trump-age-g7-video-attacks-debate-rcna157543)

Mark Cuban spars with Piers Morgan and Bill Ackman over Biden videos, age (thehill.com) (https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4726494-mark-cuban-spars-with-piers-morgan-and-bill-ackman-over-biden-videos-age/)

tomder55
Jun 22, 2024, 06:14 AM
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tomder55
Jun 25, 2024, 03:56 AM
You can't make it up. Trump campaign spokesperson Karoline Leavitt went on CNN with host Kasie Hunt to note how unfair CNNs coverage of Trump has been historically ;especially debate moderators Jake Tapper and Dana Bash .

Hunt made the case for Leavitt when she cut her off and abruptly ended the interview.

CNN's Kasie Hunt Ends Interview with Trump Spokesperson | The View (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12Pz0GWTyIk)


Can't possibly figure what her complaint about Tapper would be.

End Wokeness on X: "Oh look, debate moderator Jake Tapper repeatedly comparing Trump to HitIer. I'm sure this debate will be 100% fair. https://t.co/isshrBs72G" / X (https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1805274805278486835)

tomder55
Jun 25, 2024, 05:15 AM
Dr Ron Jackson was WH physician for GW Bush ;the emperor ;and Trump. He came out in favor of drugs tests for Joe ;before and after the debate .
Clueless Joe is clearly jacked up and doped before public appearances.

He sent the letter to WH physician Kevin O'Connor ;and CC'd the cabinet and Kam the Sham.
06_24_24_final_signed_letter_to_biden.pdf (house.gov) (https://jackson.house.gov/uploadedfiles/06_24_24_final_signed_letter_to_biden.pdf)


Here is his conversation with Maria Bartiromo .

Former White House physician demands drug, cognitive test from Biden | Fox News Video (https://www.foxnews.com/video/6355559317112)


But I'm going to be demanding on behalf of many millions of concerned Americans right now that he submit to a drug test before and after this debate, specifically looking for performance-enhancing drugs, because we see -- we have seen recently in his State of the Union address that there was a Joe Biden that came out that was not similar at all to what we see on a day-to-day basis for the last 3.5 years.
And there's just really no way to explain that, other than he was on something, that they'd given him medications. I feel like this is probably what's going on over this week at Camp David. He's going to be at Camp David for a full week before the debate. Part of that is probably experimenting with just getting the doses just right, because they have to treat his cognition.
They have to give him something to help him think straighter. They have to give him something to wake him up to -- for his alertness. And then he's been agitated. We see that all the time. And that's a common -- that's a common symptom or sign of this cognitive disorder that he seems to be suffering from.
And so they're probably going to give him something to take the edge off that as well. They didn't get it right just last time at the State of the Union. He came out. He was obviously much more alert, but he was a yelling, angry old man. And he still didn't make a lot of sense.
So I think they have got an uphill battle here, but I think that they're going to have to do something to try to wake him up and make him perform a little better during the debate. And I don't think that that's what the American people want out of their president. I think they want somebody that can do this on their own.

tomder55
Jun 26, 2024, 06:15 AM
Evita is now a debate analyst . Hillary-ous !!!

Hillary Clinton: I’ve Debated Trump and Biden. Here’s What I’m Watching For. – DNyuz (https://dnyuz.com/2024/06/25/hillary-clinton-ive-debated-trump-and-biden-heres-what-im-watching-for/)

Having lost debates to both she brings an certain expertise to the table.

jlisenbe
Jun 26, 2024, 06:28 AM
In the meantime, in the interests of proving that he seem incapable of learning from his past failures, Trump seems to be doing but very little in the way of preparation. He has been given some great advice, but will he accept it? Doubtful.


“If I were President Trump, I would talk about right track, wrong track,” Republican Sen. Lindsay Graham told The Hill. “I don’t think he needs to be overly aggressive.”

The only person who can defeat Trump in this election is...Trump.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/06/24/biden-trump-presidential-debate-preparation/74191301007/

jlisenbe
Jun 26, 2024, 06:39 AM
Even worse can be found here.
Donald Trump told Newsmax (https://www.newsmax.com/live) on Tuesday night he doesn't need to lock himself in a room with advisers to prepare for Thursday night's huge debate with President Joe Biden, the first presidential debate this election cycle and the earliest in U.S. history."I've been preparing for it for my whole life, if you want to know the truth," Trump told "Prime News" (https://www.newsmaxtv.com/Shows/Prime-News) and guest host Corey Lewandowski. "And I'm not sure you can lock yourself in a room for two weeks, or one week, or two days, and really learn what you have to know.


https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/donald-trump-debate-joebiden/2024/06/25/id/1170128/?ns_mail_uid=cf5431dc-7f9e-46f5-ba4f-ca96b2f0bc10&ns_mail_job=DM643363_06262024&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010504xji26h

tomder55
Jun 26, 2024, 08:12 AM
I hear Joe's team made a mock stage /studio set and he has 18 people coaching him. No doubt CNN has already provided him with the questions they will ask.

to Trump " do you still think the election was stolen ? Will you leave office if elected or declare yourself dictator as DeNiro claimed ?

to Joe "what is your favorite flavor of ice cream "?

tomder55
Jun 26, 2024, 01:25 PM
So what will Joe say when the question about 51 FORMER Intel officials claiming that Hunter's laptop news was Russian propaganda ;in light of the new reports that several of those intel guys were contractors for the CIA at the time of the letter ?

Two Biden laptop letter signers were CIA contractors, agency brass knew of effort | Just The News (https://justthenews.com/government/congress/two-signers-biden-laptop-letter-were-active-cia-contractors-report)

jlisenbe
Jun 26, 2024, 01:41 PM
So what will Joe say when the question about 51 FORMER Intel officials claiming that Hunter's laptop news was Russian propaganda ;in light of the new reports that several of those intel guys were contractors for the CIA at the time of the letter ?If Trump was smart enough to believe in preparation, he would raise the issue himself. Sadly, I don't expect that to happen. But the softball questions to Biden from CNN can certainly be expected, as can the hardball questions for Trump. And again, if he would prepare and be ready for that, then he could turn it to his advantage.

tomder55
Jun 26, 2024, 02:17 PM
Trump's preparation is to make rambling speeches at rallies about electric powered boats and sharks .

Trump's Shark Rant �� - Las Vegas Rally | #blux (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMNMt5FdVwg)

So when the Dems counter that Trump is losing it too . That is what they mean

tomder55
Jun 27, 2024, 02:27 AM
I know where I stand on the issues . I know where I stand on the candidates. This is unique in that we have 2 candidates with records in the White House.

Tonight I watch this debates as if I were a casual viewer of a NASCAR race.......waiting for the crash.

tomder55
Jun 27, 2024, 03:47 AM
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tomder55
Jun 27, 2024, 11:31 AM
if you must play debate bingo here is your card

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRFWQEtXEAA7ANw?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRGQ3U4WoAARVBx?format=jpg&name=large

jlisenbe
Jun 27, 2024, 01:39 PM
I know where I stand on the issues . I know where I stand on the candidates. As do I. I can't imagine the circumstances under which I would vote for Biden. But as I have tried (without success) to point out to my FB friends, it's the middle third that Trump needs to win over, and he cannot be the same ole same ole and do that as well as he should. I think he will win this election, but considering who he's running against, it won't be much to crow about. It will be on the same level as the Green Bay Packers beating a high school team.

tomder55
Jun 28, 2024, 03:07 AM
The whole night I kept asking myself ;'how would've Ron DeSantis answered that question '?

The President's poor showing only masks how lame Trump was .

tomder55
Jun 28, 2024, 04:32 AM
As for the substance ;I could spend hours disputing the things both candidates said.

I'll do one that I thought was a blatant lie that Joe kept repeating.

He got a hat tip from Tapper who cited a study from 'Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget ' that said that Trump approved $8.4 trillion of new borrowing, while Joe added only $4.3 trillion.
Trump and Biden: Tax and Spending Changes-2024-06-27 (crfb.org) (https://www.crfb.org/blogs/trump-and-biden-tax-and-spending-changes)

Allysia Finley of the WSJ editorial board gives the relevant reply since Trump's answers were unclear .


The study inflates the cost of Mr. Trump’s tax cuts—including bipartisan efforts that repealed the Affordable Care Act’s medical device and Cadillac insurance taxes—while low-balling the costs of Mr. Biden’s spending increases and regulations. For example, the study dings Mr. Trump for adding to the debt by ending certain Affordable Care Act cost subsidies, which it says caused insurers to raise premiums and thereby increased other insurance subsidies.

The outfit says Mr. Trump added to the deficit with a 2020 rule that restricted drug-maker rebates in Medicare, though that rule never took effect. Then the study claims that Mr. Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act reduced the national debt by delaying the same rebate rule and increasing IRS funding.
All of which is to say that the figures cited by Mr. Tapper include subjective judgments that are biased in favor of Mr. Biden. But for the record, the national debt increased by $2.6 trillion during Mr. Trump’s first three years before Covid and $5.2 trillion during Mr. Biden’s first three.



Who Won the Trump-Biden Debate? - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/who-won-the-trump-biden-debate-5906124e?mod=opinion_lead_pos6)


The claims are further debunked by the Congressional Budget Committee.

FACT CHECK ALERT: Debunking CRFB’s Analysis of Trump and Biden Impacts on the National Debt | The U.S. House Committee on the Budget - House Budget Committee (https://budget.house.gov/press-release/fact-check-alert-debunking-crfbs-analysis-of-trump-and-biden-impacts-on-the-national-debt)


Let's face facts . Even given for spending related to the pandemic ; both increased the debt to unacceptable levels . Both believe in big government spending. The difference is a matter of degrees and for what purpose.

jlisenbe
Jun 28, 2024, 05:19 AM
The President's poor showing only masks how lame Trump was Wife and I could only bring ourselves to watch about twenty minutes of the "debate". It was like watching two middle schoolers going at it about which of them looked better. I actually thought Biden did a little better than I expected, but he did look old and feeble. Trump was the usual collection of rants and ravings which had very little appearance of being well thought-out replies. I kept waiting for him (either of them, really) to lay out a vision of a better America. Neither did so.

tomder55
Jun 28, 2024, 05:31 AM
Read my commentary on the debate "Where do we go from here ?"

The President's booster shot started to take effect . But he was still an incoherent rambling too old for his job. By the time of his closing statement he was spent .

Biden doubles down on need for fair tax system during closing statement of presidential debate - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAv20BORA18&t=8s)

jlisenbe
Jun 28, 2024, 06:24 AM
I'm always amused by these calls for a fair tax system. As I've shown here many times, the wealthy already basically pay 80% or so of income taxes. They pay practically all of inheritance taxes. The bottom half of income earners pay next to nothing in income tax, so how much fairer do they want it to be? It is nothing more than a liberal talking point based on an outright lie.

How happy should we be that the feds supposedly reduced the debt by 160 bil over ten years? That amounts to about 1/2 of 1% of the total, and does not take into account the trillions of dollars they have added to the debt. Pols have clearly concluded that the American people are too stupid to see through this. Maybe they're right.

jlisenbe
Jun 28, 2024, 08:36 AM
It now seems likely that Biden will do one of two things. He will pull out of the race and allow Michelle, Newsome, Hillary, or whoever to step in. He might also get Harris to step aside, put in one of the above as VP, and then offer up the likelihood that he would resign at some point in 2025.

tomder55
Jun 28, 2024, 02:32 PM
and the award for the most balanced coverage of the debate goes to ....................


Jon Stewart of 'The Daily Show '



Jon Stewart's Debate Analysis: Trump's Blatant Lies and Biden's Senior Moments | The Daily Show (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SJr44m-w1Y)



this is fun

tomder55
Jun 29, 2024, 04:47 AM
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tomder55
Jul 3, 2024, 01:56 AM
Surprise !!!! Clueless Joe is calling on Clintonista George Stephanopoulos for an interview Friday to be aired on Sunday. Gives them 2 days to carefully edit the interview.



Joe will appear to be alert with his new orange tan.

https://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/2024/07/02/115125/87567310/orange-biden13.png

He looks like a plastic container that you stored spaghetti sauce in .

tomder55
Jul 3, 2024, 02:04 AM
And Jill Biden conveniently is on the cover of Vogue .

Jill Biden is Vogue’s cover star. What timing. - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/fashion/2024/07/01/jill-biden-vogue/)

Vogue Magazine on X: ""Every campaign is important, and every campaign is hard,” shares Dr. Jill Biden, the first lady and Vogue’s August cover subject. Whatever happens between now and November, it is Jill Biden who will remain the president's closest confidant and advocate. https://t.co/y6WcDbsWtf (https://x.com/voguemagazine/status/1807700816717091035?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1807700816717091035%7Ctwgr% 5E3155cd4ff24701c1eddd9c2b22e6971dcaa4617d%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fmedia%2Fme dia-react-jill-bidens-vogue-appearance-i-thought-satire) https://t.co/4LQFUzoVx6" / X

At first I thought I was seeing the cover of 'Babylon Bee'

tomder55
Jul 4, 2024, 03:55 AM
https://media.notthebee.com/articles/article-6683f55961b19.jpg

Wondergirl
Jul 4, 2024, 06:17 PM
Surprise !!!! Clueless Joe is calling on Clintonista George Stephanopoulos for an interview Friday to be aired on Sunday. Gives them 2 days to carefully edit the interview.



Joe will appear to be alert with his new orange tan.

https://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/2024/07/02/115125/87567310/orange-biden13.png

He looks like a plastic container that you stored spaghetti sauce in .
Amazing what haters can do with their wittle cwayons.

jlisenbe
Jul 4, 2024, 08:01 PM
Even more amazing is what people who actually have some interest in the truth are able to do. The story of Biden's sudden, curious tan is all over the news. This is from Newsweek.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-bidens-spray-tan-sparks-avalanche-of-memes-jokes/ar-BB1pgIrj?ocid=BingNewsSerp

tomder55
Jul 5, 2024, 01:43 AM
For a week prior to the debate the WH and the compliant press told us 'don't believe your lying eyes ;everything said about Joe is deep fake or cheap fake ". Then Joe got on the debate stage and proved everything said about him was true.

I'm guessing they learned their lesson because I hear no such accusations of that kind about his orange spray tan ..............except here .

Not to worry ;I'm sure by the time the ABC makeup crew is done with him he will look as healthy and vigorous as JFK playing football on the WH lawn. (although it has since been revealed that those select videos were the deep fake of their day since we now know they kept JFK together with a cocktail of drugs and duct tape)

Maybe CNN did a deep fake when they posted Joe's response to the SCOTUS immunity decision (where he repeated lies about the ruling ) Did they use "cwayons " too ? Or maybe they did their best to hide the worse effects of the spray tan ?

Biden campaign seizes on Supreme Court immunity ruling in new TV ad | CNN Politics (https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/03/politics/biden-campaign-ad-scotus-immunity/index.html)

https://whyy.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/joe-biden-getty-npr-2024-07-02-768x510.png


This is how he normally looks

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Now the family claims that he went into the debate with a summer tan and that his cadaver look during the debate was the deep fake .

jlisenbe
Jul 5, 2024, 04:51 AM
Lying has gone from being a somewhat common practice to being the order of the day. It's all the result of a national media that has become far more interested in political and social change than in printing the truth.

tomder55
Jul 5, 2024, 03:43 PM
ABC News just gave a teaser of the interview. If that is the best Joe can do he's got problems. Evidently it airs tonight as well as Sunday.

Here is the text as I recall it . I can't find the video of the brief teaser

George "Did you ever watch the debate afterwards?"

Joe "I don't think I did." (an exact quote ) George "Did you know how badly it was going?"

Joe ....incoherent mumbo jumbo .


He said when asked why he was tired after a week's rest before the debate he claimed his cold was really bad and he thought he had covid

jlisenbe
Jul 6, 2024, 07:54 AM
One more issue from the debate. Biden claimed the organization representing the border patrol agents had endorsed him. That group came out after the debate and said they have never endorsed Biden and never will. So that was either a ridiculous lie or, more likely, Biden just losing his train of thought and becoming completely confused.

Wondergirl
Jul 6, 2024, 09:25 AM
Biden just losing his train of thought and becoming completely confused.
We will check on your comprehension when you're almost 82.

jlisenbe
Jul 6, 2024, 09:46 AM
We will check on your comprehension when you're almost 82.I hope you can see what you've just done. By making the assumption that 81 year old people don't have good comprehension, you have validated the idea that Biden should not be reelected. Thank you!

Wondergirl
Jul 6, 2024, 09:57 AM
I hope you can see what you've just done. By making the assumption that 81 year old people don't have good comprehension, you have validated the idea that Biden should not be reelected. Thank you!
I agree Biden is too old, especially to survive for four more years. I'm praying a much younger, inspirational, vibrant Dem possibility will emerge. There are several waiting in the wings. And yes, I have been a Repub all my life...until tRump blustered his way into the spotlight. I'm wondering how much longer HE will survive, either physically or mentally (note: he's definitely declining too with his incoherent ramblings and nonsensical sentence structure).

From this morning's Chicago Tribune: "One of America’s political parties has a presidential candidate who is really old and showing it. The other has a presidential candidate who is a convicted felon, adjudicated sexual abuser, business fraudster, and self-described aspiring dictator for a day. And is also really old."

jlisenbe
Jul 6, 2024, 11:48 AM
And yes, I have been a Repub all my life.I'm sure you have been a registered repub, just as I'm sure you have consistently voted democrat.


a convicted felon...Only by a deluded DA. I doubt that this miscarriage of justice will stand up tp appeal.

adjudicated sexual abuser,Civll trial, not a criminal trial, which probably indicates a lot. And unless you can say that you refused to vote for Bill Clinton, who is the king of sex offenders, then you won't be persuasive by appealing to this.


business fraudster,How's that?


and self-described aspiring dictator for a dayA completely stupid accusation by a rag looking for a headline.

Now if they are wanting to suggest that Trump has an undisciplined big mouth, and frequently makes exaggerated comments that are ridiculous nonsense, then I'm with them on that.