Mayor Adams, who once was rather proud of the influx of illegals into NYC, has now announced budget cuts to education, police, sanitation, and (gasp!!) LIBRARIES. And what prompted this? Having to pay through the nose to house illegals in hotels by the thousands. Congratulations, Mayor Adams. Why we keep electing loons like him is just a mystery.


Mayor Eric Adams announced painful budget cuts to New York City services on Thursday that would freeze police hiring and close libraries on Sunday and warned that more cuts would be necessary without additional federal funding to manage the migrant crisis.
The budget cuts would bring the number of Police Department officers below 30,000 for the first time since the 1980s, slash the Education Department budget by $1 billion over two years and delay the rollout of composting in the Bronx and Staten Island — one of the mayor’s signature initiatives to address rats and climate change. The cuts would also weaken two popular programs: summer school and universal prekindergarten.


And, of course, as a typical pol, he is unable to accept any responsibility for the mess or manage it in an adult fashion. “No city should be left to handle a national humanitarian crisis largely on its own, and without the significant and timely support we need from Washington, D.C., today’s budget will be only the beginning,” he said. Yeah, it's always someone else's fault.

The cuts to the pre-K program must be particularly painful since it constrains the city's ability to indoctrinate young children on the wonders of being gay and TG.


Library leaders announced that the budget cuts would force them to close branches on Sunday starting in December.
“Without sufficient funding, we cannot sustain our current levels of service, and any further cuts to the libraries’ budgets will, unfortunately, result in deeper service impacts,” the leaders of the Brooklyn, Queens and New York Public Library said in a statement.

Mayor Eric Adams Says N.Y.C. Will Slash Budgets For Police, Libraries and Schools - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/16/nyregion/nyc-budget-cuts-schools-police-trash.html)

This is, as I said above, the same mayor who once welcomed illegals into the city. "Last August, Adams went to Port Authority to welcome a bus full of asylum seekers sent from Texas by Republican governor Gregg Abbot, who argued progressive cities should also bare the costs of the influx of asylum seekers crossing the southern border." That was, of course, before he began to see that his show of love and affection with the money of other folks was going to cost him politically.

NYC Mayor Eric Adams WELCOMED migrants to the Big Apple and was 'proud to be a shelter state' as they arrived on buses in 2022 ... before begging Biden for aid and saying the crisis will destroy the city (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nyc-mayor-eric-adams-welcomed-migrants-to-the-big-apple-and-was-proud-to-be-a-shelter-state-as-they-arrived-on-buses-in-2022-before-begging-biden-for-aid-and-saying-the-crisis-will-destroy-the-city/ar-AA1goQN1)

COMPLETE THE WALL!! It will then be relatively easy to deal with the 2% who manage to get across or under rather than the 100% who are presently pouring across completely unhindered.

There was no plan once the migrants arrived in this country -- no plan for housing, employment, education, daily food sustenance, medical care, etc. And no limit on the number and legitimacy of migrants entering this country.

Good observation. However, I’m not sure we should have a plan for housing, food, clothing and so forth. That’s their job. But we should certainly exercise control over who comes in and how long they stay. The only way I know to have reasonable control over that is a substantial wall.

Churches and village social groups/organizations and schools can help (at least answer questions) with finding suitable housing, food shopping, English learning, tutoring. We did that for Vietnamese refugees after the Tet Offensive.

I agree with that, but bear in mind that there were about 100,000 Vietnamese LEGAL refugees. These illegals are flowing across our wide-open southern border at a rate of two hundred thousand every month.

Hope you and the hubster are having a great Thanksgiving and that the two of you are doing better these days.

I agree with that. Many more government checkpoints should have been strung along the southern border. Temporary housing, small restaurants, and social services should have been set up. Maybe drones flying overhead too?

Part of our problem was Covid that stalled everything. Another problem was the huge numbers of migrants.

Checkpoints don’t work against this avalanche. Only a wall will do it. Slow the tidal wave down to a trickle.

Checkpoints don’t work against this avalanche. Only a wall will do it. Slow the tidal wave down to a trickle.
How and when did this avalanche begin?

What difference does it make?

What difference does it make?
For the book I'm writing.

E.g., Venezuela is in the midst of an unprecedented social and humanitarian collapse—the result of bad economic policies and political conflict—that has led to food insecurity, the second largest migration crisis in the world, and regional instability.

When the patient is bleeding profusely, you don’t waste time wondering what caused the injury. You concentrate on stopping the bleeding. Only a wall will stop this bleeding.

In other words, lock the hospital door before he can come in.

An answer which illustrates that you sure don't seem at all to want the border controlled. You seem perfectly willing to have a wide open border with uncontrolled fentanyl and human trafficking, and with the resulting chaos in our major cities such as NYC. It's why so many people oppose the wall. It's not because they think walls don't work, but rather because they know walls DO work, and they don't want that. It sure looks an awful lot like the usual deal of wanting to appear noble by spending someone else's money.

We are not a hospital. We are a sovereign nation which, thanks to liberal dem leadership, cannot find the will to control its own border.

The border doesn't need a scalable wall. Then let's put towers along the top of the wall so marksmen can control things.

And again.

"A (sadly non-serious) answer which illustrates that you sure don't seem at all to want the border controlled. You seem perfectly willing to have a wide-open border with uncontrolled fentanyl and human trafficking, and with the resulting chaos in our major cities such as NYC. It's why so many people oppose the wall. It's not because they think walls don't work, but rather because they know walls DO work, and they don't want that. It sure looks an awful lot like the usual deal of wanting to appear noble by spending someone else's money."

Then elect someone in 2024 who will build the wall. (A wall can be scaled, burrowed under, gotten around at each end, and flown over.)

Yes, walls can be defeated, as can bank vaults, locked doors, internet passwords, guard dogs, and any one of a number of other security techniques that we have the very good sense not to abandon simply because they don't work 100% of the time. Sensible people realize that a device that is 98% or 99% effective is far, far better than an open invitation to law-breakers to just come on in, which is what you favor. All of this has been explained to you repeatedly, so I don't understand what your issue is. Why do you favor the illegal importation of fentanyl and human beings destined for the sex market as well as the ever-growing disruption of major cities from the flood of illegals? What is it about that which you find appealing?

A wall will be a fun challenge that will attract even moreso "the illegal importation of fentanyl and human beings destined for the sex market". "Illegals" will give up; the wall will stop them, the "good guys" whom we DO want in our country.

A wall will be a fun challenge that will attract even morCan you point to any time in history when that happened? Did the Berlin Wall attract more crossers? How about the fence around the White House or the walls around prisons? We have door locks. I haven't noticed people flocking over here seeking a "fun challenge". The banks in our city don't seem to have those thrill seekers coming by in the dozens because they just want to have some fun breaking into the vaults.

I never cease to be amazed at the lengths you will go to simply to avoid admitting that your argument is weak.

You don't read much, do you.

Oh, I forgot!! There is a prison I drive by twice a week. It has a twelve foot or so chain link fence around it which is topped with razor wire. There is a club in our area filled with fence climbing enthusiasts who regularly go to the prison to have a "fun challenge" of climbing the fence. They have such a wonderful time!! [big time SARC]

In all of my reading, I've yet to read about that security wall that attracted so many people seeking a "fun challenge". Perhaps you can point us all to that story.

Surely you have to realize how foolish that contention sounds.

I sure hope you have a library card. You'll need one.

An answer showing that you have nothing to support your argument. Give it up.

How you cherry-pick. I can hear Athos' chuckles.

You were asked to support your ridiculous (my view) contention that many people would view a southern wall as a "fun challenge", and plainly you cannot, so you persist with cherry picking, library cards, and other silliness. It would bother me if I behaved that way, but you seem to like it. It is what it is.

You were asked to support your ridiculous (my view) contention that many people would view a southern wall as a "fun challenge", and plainly you cannot
It's already been done, multiple times!!!

Here's one story (out of many) about it:
https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-west/public-safety/2021/06/14/breaching-the-southern-border-wall

This was your contention. "A wall will be a fun challenge that will attract even more so."

I asked, "Can you point to any time in history when that happened?"

Now maybe you can point to any place in this story (which you linked) where the reporter actually saw the wall attracting even more illegal immigration than was happening before, since that was your puzzling suggestion. Can you quote the documentation for that from the link?

You can't, since it wasn't there, so it would certainly appear that you are still sitting on zero. The "reporter", in fact, never claims to have personally seen a single person cross the wall. He only supposedly found evidence that some people had breached the wall. Please start reading your own links.

It's already been stated here, multiple times and quite sufficient for any person with any real interest in the truth, that walls don't completely stop the flood, but slow it down enormously. The same is true, as has also been stated many times, for practically ALL security measures.

I wasn't talking about illegals, but about ANYONE. Sections would eventually be knocked down so the migrating hordes can travel north.

I wasn't talking about illegals, but about ANYONE.Uhm...when people sneak over a wall to enter the U.S., they are by definition illegals.


Sections would eventually be knocked down so the migrating hordes can travel north.And that has happened when? You couldn't answer my first question so maybe you can answer that one.

An unhappy truth remains. You seem to want to continue this tidal wave of illegal immigration along with the influx of illegal drugs and the human sex trade that accompany it. That's pretty sad.

Uhm...when people sneak over a wall to enter the U.S., they are by definition illegals.
And others who want to prove a point.

And that has happened when? You couldn't answer my first question so maybe you can answer that one.
Whenever a wall needs to be challenged.

An unhappy truth remains. You seem to want to continue this tidal wave of illegal immigration along with the influx of illegal drugs and the human sex trade that accompany it. That's pretty sad.
Sad that you don't read carefully.

You want to have it both ways. You want to appear to be against illegal immigration with the drugs, urban problems, and sex trafficking that go with it, and yet not be prepared to do anything at all about it because you want to let the millions of illegals into the "hospital" since it doesn't disrupt your life. Well, you can't have one without the other.

You see, I read your responses very carefully. The truth is evident.

And others who want to prove a point.And what point is it you think they're trying to prove? We will not respect nor abide by your laws?

And what point is it you think they're trying to prove? We will not respect nor abide by your laws?
I/We can get past this wall. It won't stop me/us.

I/We can get past this wall. It won't stop me/us.We would need to then teach them a new point. We will enforce our borders.

We would need to then teach them a new point. We will enforce our borders.
You can't. Too many miles to guard.

Yep. It’s why you need a wall. I’m not content to live with fentanyl, urban disruption, and human trafficking like you seem to be.

Yep. It’s why you need a wall. I’m not content to live with fentanyl, urban disruption, and human trafficking like you seem to be.
You already do, even before any illegals scale the wall. U.S. homeboys are hard at work, spreading the joy.

I always know when I’ve got you. It’s when you are reduced to making silly posts like that one. It amounts to, “Oh yeah? Well you too, buddy.” Just hilarious!!

I always know when I’ve got you. It’s when you are reduced to making silly posts like that one. It amounts to, “Oh yeah? Well you too, buddy.” Just hilarious!!
You don't know about the drug dealers on the streets of East Vancouver and Chicago and NYC and other cities and towns? Several of my Facebook friends are hooked and tell me in some detail how they shoplift in order to buy those drugs.

It's over WG. Only one of us wants to see the illegal traffic on the southern border stopped and that's me. You seem to be just fine with it. You will never, ever be critical of a liberal dem pres no matter what is allowed into this country.

It's over WG. Only one of us wants to see the illegal traffic on the southern border stopped and that's me. You seem to be just fine with it. You will never, ever be critical of a liberal dem pres no matter what is allowed into this country.
I said long ago in this thread that nothing was done to prepare for that onslaught of illegal immigrants. And yes, effective measures could have been taken -- and were even talked about by government officials -- but, like too many other times, nothing was done.

So you’re saying that lack of preparedness was Biden’s responsibility?

So you’re saying that lack of preparedness was Biden’s responsibility?
Trump's too.

And what has Biden done to correct that mistake? For that matter, what do you suggest?

And what has Biden done to correct that mistake? For that matter, what do you suggest?
Trump didn't correct his own mistakes regarding the wall and how to achieve legal immigration. Trump could have been the inspiration and set the pace for Biden and administrations that followed.

What I suggest is in Post #6.

Checkpoints and drones are already being used and restaurants and temp housing will only serve to attract more illegals. What do you suggest that would actually work against this flood of illegals? And why did you leave Biden out of your criticism?

Checkpoints and drones are already being used and restaurants and temp housing will only serve to attract more illegals. What do you suggest that would actually work against this flood of illegals? And why did you leave Biden out of your criticism?
I did not leave Biden out!!! Please read my Post #43.

What would work would be giving financial aid and hands-on help to struggling countries so their citizens will want live out their lives in those countries.

In post 45 you predictably reserved all of your criticism for Trump. It's your pattern. And your scathing criticism of Biden in post 43 was, "Trump's too." Gosh. I hope you didn't blow a gasket!!

Where will the money come from to help these struggling nations? We are presently 33 trillion in debt and still running enormous deficits, and yet you propose more new spending?

Complete the wall. There is no other solution. It will eliminate the vast majority of illegal immigration and prevent most of the fentanyl importation and human trafficking, both of which are tragedies we must address and which restaurants and temp housing will do nothing to stop.

In post 45 you predictably reserved all of your criticism for Trump.

Nope. I answered "Trump's too." Note the operant adverb, TOO. That includes Biden, who is mentioned in your post.


Where will the money come from to help these struggling nations? We are presently 33 trillion in debt and still running enormous deficits, and yet you propose more new spending?
We wouldn't be in such huge debt had we done it right from the get-go. We might even be making money!

Forget the wall. It's too late.

Nope. I answered "Trump's too." Note the operant adverb, TOO. That includes Biden, who is mentioned in your post.Yeah, that was really a powerful rebuke. You managed to be critical of Biden without even mentioning his name. I hope it didn't exhaust you.


We wouldn't be in such huge debt had we done it right from the get-go. We might even be making money!Being stupid in the past is no excuse for continuing to be stupid in the present.


Forget the wall. It's too late.It's the only answer, especially in comparison to little restaurants and temp housing.

Yeah, that was really a powerful rebuke. You managed to be critical of Biden without even mentioning his name. I hope it didn't exhaust you.
I'm so sorry you weren't able to understand "Trump's too" as including Biden.


Being stupid in the past is no excuse for continuing to be stupid in the present.
The entire situation would now be different had we been smarter in the beginning.


It's the only answer, especially in comparison to little restaurants and temp housing.
Nope, you don't understand the logic at all.

There was no logic to understand. Building restaurants will do nothing to stop illegal immigration.

Your scathing, merciless criticism of Biden has been noted. [SARC]

There was no logic to understand. Building restaurants will do nothing to stop illegal immigration.
I said, "Many more government checkpoints should have been strung along the southern border. Temporary housing, small restaurants, and social services should have been set up. Maybe drones flying overhead too?"


Your scathing, merciless criticism of Biden has been noted. [SARC]
Biden is too old to be reelected and run the country. Same with Trump. Neither of them has any worthwhile ideas. Nor can either one express himself coherently.

I said, "Many more government checkpoints should have been strung along the southern border. Temporary housing, small restaurants, and social services should have been set up. Maybe drones flying overhead too?"We already have many checkpoints and already use drones. Housing and "small restaurants" are useless against illegal immigration, so I don't think there is any logic to be found there.

As to your second post, it's fascinating that you can't bring yourself to say anything critical of Biden without having to also mention Trump. Still, your assessment of Biden was entirely correct.

Trump's idea of a wall needs to be instituted immediately.

Trump's idea of a wall needs to be instituted immediately.
All of Trump's ideas need to be deep-sixed.

Trump's big mouth should be deep-sixed. His ideas, like the wall, were frequently quite good. Some of them resulted in the lowest minority and female unemployment numbers in history and got rid of the poorly decided Roe vs. Wade abortion decision.

The wall wasn't Trump's idea. Sections had already been built long before he showed up on the scene. And why didn't he finish it?

And that wall would have gone through protected wetlands, private property, and state/federal parks. It never would have been finished.

The wall wasn't Trump's idea. Sections had already been built long before he showed up on the scene. And why didn't he finish it?A relatively small section had been built, but the idea of building a substantial wall across our southern border was definitely Trump's idea. He should certainly have finished it.


And that wall would have gone through protected wetlands, private property, and state/federal parks. It never would have been finished.80% finished would be much better than what we have now.

80% finished would be much better than what we have now.
Nope. The 20% would have been open doors. It would become common knowledge and where immigrants would travel to.

Most people can figure out that protecting a 200 mile border is far easier than protecting a 1,000 mile border. And that's even assuming that there are parts of the border which cannot be walled. I doubt that is true.


It would become common knowledge and where immigrants would travel to.
You mean kind of like the ENTIRE BORDER is now???
Reply (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=3894702)

I have not had the opportunity to read a book that was written in 1973 by French author Jean Raspail .......The Camp of Saints (English translation ) The title is inspired by the Book of Revelations 20 7-9 . It is a dystopian novel about how a wave of illegal immigration overwhelms Europe. The book is out of circulation and carries a very hefty price tag.
Critics of the book use the same cliches that are used to condemn anyone who wants border control. But the wave of illegals into this country and Europe has created the political rise of Trump ;and more recently Geert Wilders in Holland .

Dutch election: Geert Wilders records massive shock win in Netherlands | AP News (https://apnews.com/article/netherlands-election-candidates-prime-minister-f31f57a856f006ff0f2fc4984acaca6b)

Compliant press around the globe label them as racist; xenophobe; anti Muslim; nativists.... yada yada yada . What they want to preserve is national identity; culture; sovereignty; and borders






And why didn't he finish it?

And that wall would have gone through protected wetlands, private property, and state/federal parks. It never would have been finished.


You answer your own question . Progress on the wall was tied up in court battles. Clueless Joe has decided to violate all the red tape to build just one small section . I doubt that will get done .

What they want to preserve is national identity; culture; sovereignty; and borders.That's a really interesting thought. Surely we have the right to guard our borders and be selective about who is allowed to enter in the same way that any homeowner can select who can come in, who can stay for a short time to do a specific job, who can stay the night, or who can stay permanently as a member of the family. My children have rights in my home that other children do not have.

Do we, as a nation, have the right to demand of immigrants that they accept our collective ideals? Do we even have a set of collective ideals? Are there any core values that we can say define our national identity?

I'm all for the legal immigration of Latinos. They work hard and appreciate the opportunity to become successful. But to have our current insane situation of a basically open border allowing whoever to come in bringing whatever with them should be viewed as a national security crisis.

The rationale used to be melting pot here. In Europe there was clear distinct identities until they came up with that Euro vision of the continent .

Do we have the right to demand integration ? Absolutely ! If I was to emigrate to another nation I would do my best to adopt customs and language . I would not expect them to accomodate mine .

The rationale used to be melting pot here. In Europe there was clear distinct identities until they came up with that Euro vision of the continent .

Do we have the right to demand integration ? Absolutely ! If I was to emigrate to another nation I would do my best to adopt customs and language . I would not expect them to accomodate mine .

Absolutely ! If I was to emigrate to another nation I would do my best to adopt customs and language Language is an easy one and I agree with you on that. Customs? I'm not sure how many customs we have left that could be called core ideals. Democracy? Representative republic? It's hard to settle on them.

I look for assimilation with all that entails .
The hordes of invaders ;many of whom have no intention to assimilate has and will overwhelm out ability to absorb them .

I keep going back to the Cloward -Piven strategy(aka “crisis strategy” aka the “flood the zone-bankrupt-the-cities strategy”), .

The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty | The Nation (https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/weight-poor-strategy-end-poverty/)

public_comment_steve_mikowski_02162021.pdf (leelanau.gov) (https://www.leelanau.gov/downloads/public_comment_steve_mikowski_02162021.pdf)

The Radical Imagination | Imagining Radical Implementation - The Cloward/Piven Model - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51wmy3XLkN8)


Cloward and Piven were a married couple ; professors at the Columbia University School of Social Work, who were disciples along with the emperor and Evita Clintoon of Saul Alinksy and his 'Rules for Radicals' . In his book Alinsky wrote to make your enemies live up to their own rules. He predicted that when every law and statute, every Judeo-Christian moral tenet, and every promise of the social contract were attempted to be honored ;our institutions would fail .

The plan is overloading the government bureaucracy with a torrent of impossible demands When those are not met, political turmoil results, leading to economic collapse.... the fall of capitalism ...and the imposition of Marxist socialism with programs like guaranteed universal income .

This invasion ;the undermining and defunding of law enforcement ;the increased demands for non-transparent voting ;Clueless Joe's gimmee's are not accidents. It is a plan being orchestrated by the radical left and their patsies in the progressive movement ,and funded by the likes of George Soros.

He predicted that when every law and statute, every Judeo-Christian moral tenet, and every promise of the social contract were attempted to be honored ;our institutions would fail .That one is puzzling. I would think it would be a good thing to honor every law and statute as long, of course, as the laws are reasonable and good. And if we were to genuinely honor the moral tenets of the Bible, then we would live in a country where federal budgets would be balanced, the traditional one man/one woman family structure would once again be the norm, and the "pay to not work" welfare system would cease, so I'm at a loss to see how that would cause our institutions to fail.

As to your final two paragraphs, I would say they are unquestionably true.

These are people who don't believe in Christianity . It is antithetical to Marxists who's goal is creating utopia on earth.
This is a global effort Taking down the top capitalist nation is the coup de gras

Klaus Schwab on Reimagining Capitalism to Better Economy | TIME (https://time.com/collection/great-reset/5900748/klaus-schwab-capitalism/)

It's called the Great Reset and the there are many powerful people on board .

The Great Reset: How to Build a Better World Post-COVID-19 | TIME (https://time.com/collection/great-reset/)

The real enemy is to ignore laws and violate the moral tenets of the Bible. That would certainly lead to the social chaos which is the birthplace of Marxist movements.

I think we would be wise to promote free enterprise rather than capitalism. And I realize they are not exactly the same, but it's close enough. Most people no longer know what capitalism is and, even worse, have a corrupted idea of the meaning of the term. Free enterprise still seems to have a moral and economic purity to it in the minds of most people, perhaps because of the "free" (freedom) aspect of it. At any rate, when free enterprise is flourishing, then capitalism is as well.

yes Adam Smith got it right

It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages.

It is their so called "greed " that provides us with the items we need or want.
Smith said even beggars go to the market to buy or barter for what they want or need

Nobody but a beggar chuses to depend chiefly upon the benevolence of his fellow-citizens. Even a beggar does not depend upon it entirely. The charity of well-disposed people, indeed, supplies him with the whole fund of his subsistence. But though this principle ultimately provides him with all the necessaries of life which he has occasion for, it neither does nor can provide him with them as he has occasion for them. The greater part of his occasional wants are supplied in the same manner as those of other people, by treaty, by barter, and by purchase. With the money which one man gives him he purchases food. The old cloaths which another bestows upon him he exchanges for other old cloaths which suit him better, or for lodging, or for food, or for money, with which he can buy either food, cloaths, or lodging, as he has occasion

The difference is that the beggars now live in apartments with central heat and air, use government funds to eat in restaurants, and watch cable television.

so how did Finland deal wiith illegals crossing their border from Russia ?


Finland to close entire Russian border after migrant surge (bbc.com) (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67555626)



Russia was surging invaders to the Finland border after they joined NATO . The immigrants were a pawn in Putin's game and the Fins would have none of it .

Plainly a bunch of racists. How dare the Finns think they have some sort of sovereign right to control who enters their country!!

The difference is that the beggars now live in apartments with central heat and air, use government funds to eat in restaurants, and watch cable television.
Many of them in police stations, and are using cots or sleeping bags for beds.

OR they're living in tents put up in parking lots and on city sidewalks.

Homeless people now largely are either addicts, mentally ill, or those who just prefer to be homeless. It's certainly not true of all, but it does seem to be true of most.

Homeless people now largely are either addicts, mentally ill, or those who just prefer to be homeless. It's certainly not true of all, but it does seem to be true of most.
Chicago bused in many migrants from NYC. They are living in police stations and in tents in parking lots and even on sidewalks.

Every day the Chicago newspapers have a positive story or two about them.

We could advertise in Mexico, “Come to America, set up a tent in a parking lot, and be homeless.”

We’ve lost our minds.

We could advertise in Mexico, “Come to America, set up a tent in a parking lot, and be homeless.”

We’ve lost our minds.
They're gradually getting housing, etc. We're sending the crabby ones to Mississippi etc. where it's warm.

You're not sending anyone anywhere. You don't tell them what to do. They are clearly making their own choices, beginning with being in this country illegally.

The Chicago mayor does not seem to agree with your rosy assessment of the situation. He's blaming it all on Lightfoot.


Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/chicago) said he "inherited" the Windy City’s migrant crisis from his predecessor, former Mayor Lori Lightfoot, during a press conference touting construction of the city’s first government-run migrant tent encampment.

At least 20,000 migrants have poured into Chicago since August 2022, when many migrants were bused from the southern border states to liberal cities farther north. Efforts have been underway to strip Chicago of its sanctuary city status as some residents sound off about the issue.

In addition to the influx of migrants who lack shelter, an estimated 68,000 Chicago citizens are considered homeless, Fox News Digital reported earlier this month. We should all be thankful that Chitown has such good control over the situation. [sarc] At any rate, taxpayers will be called upon to shoulder the burden created by a wide-open southern border under the inept "leadership" of the Biden admin.

BTW, friend of mine helped bury a 30 year old young man yesterday. Cause of death? Fentanyl, the drug that WG seems completely unconcerned about.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chicago-mayor-blames-predecessor-lightfoot-migrant-crisis-inherited

Chicago and suburban churches are now getting into the housing etc. situation. A hospital in a suburb east of me closed earlier this year and is being considered as a remake to be an apartment building for migrants.

BTW, friend of mine helped bury a 30 year old young man yesterday. Cause of death? Fentanyl, the drug that WG seems completely unconcerned about.
This thread is about sanctuary cities. Please start a new thread about fentanyl.

Not exactly a heart-rending response of concern about a dead young man.

The thread, which I started, is about BOTH sanctuary cities and the wide-open southern border which needs a wall. Reread the first post. Additionally, the subjects of fentanyl importation and human trafficking have been mentioned frequently in this thread, so your refusal to address the topic is...puzzling.

Sad state of affairs when the voice of reason for the Dems is Fetterman

“I hope Democrats can understand that it isn’t xenophobic to be concerned about the border”

“It’s a reasonable conversation, and Democrats should engage.”


“
Honestly, it’s astonishing. And this isn’t a Fox News kind of statistic. This is the government’s,” he said. “You essentially have Pittsburgh showing up there at the border.”

Fetterman defends 'reasonable' border talks as fellow Dems fume - Live Updates - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/12/07/congress/fetterman-on-border-00130639)

What a strange world to live in when Fetterman becomes the voice of reason in the dem party. That said, I'm glad he's doing it.

He is pivoting away from the crazies in the Dems. This border thing is one. His avid pro-Israel stand is another example.
On X he explained that he is not a crazy Dem. He said "I'm not a progressive, I'm just a regular Democrat,
He then went on to blast TikTok for warping American youth's minds.


And now he is an America firster .....not quite MAGA .but getting there, He is strongly opposing the sale of US Steel to a Japanese firm.

Now rhetoric is one thing. The proof of the pudding will be how he votes. in the Senate .

Salena Zito has an op ed about Fetterman's new moderate stands

She says this is not new ;that his radical lefty .Since it is WSJ I will copy entirely


It’s a warm December morning, and Sen. John Fetterman is walking along the Great Allegheny Passage across the Monongahela River from his home in Braddock. “I spend as much time as I can out here,” he says of the trail, which runs 150 miles from downtown Pittsburgh to Cumberland, Md. Mr. Fetterman has been in the U.S. Senate just under a year, during which he’s recovered from a campaign-season stroke, checked himself into Walter Reed hospital for depression, and ruffled feathers on both sides of the aisle. In September it was reported that Majority Leader Chuck Schumer had relaxed the Senate’s unofficial dress code to accommodate Mr. Fetterman’s preference for wearing hoodies and shorts. (That move backfired, leading the body to adopt a formal requirement of business attire.)Of late, however, Mr. Fetterman has drawn the ire of the Democratic left for his unapologetic support of Israel, for his support of a bipartisan solution to the border crisis, and for his cheeky criticisms of the indicted Sen. Bob Menendez (D., N.J.).

None of this is a surprise to Pennsylvania political observers. “Now that his health has finally improved, the national press and the country are finding out the real John Fetterman,” says Jeffrey Brauer, a political scientist at Keystone College. Mr. Brauer thinks that Mr. Fetterman’s difficulty communicating after his May 2022 stroke, combined with his casual dress and his combative approach to moderate primary opponent Conor Lamb led outsiders to assume Mr. Fetterman was a card-carrying progressive.
In an interview with the Journal, Mr. Fetterman says that assumption was mistaken: “I had been stating clearly that I’m not a progressive, I’m not that kind of a label or anything like that,” he says. “I said that before the primary in ’22, and that’s how I’ve always believed. And I think these have all been very easy calls. I follow the moral clarity, not the polls or any silly labels.”
Mr. Fetterman declared last week that “I would be the last man standing to be absolutely there on the Israeli side on this with no conditions.” Last month he blamed both parties for what he described as a reflexive political resistance to a border security deal. “Since you’ve covered me for years,” he says, “you know me, and you know my wife, and I’ve been very clear and supportive of immigration; I think it’s been part of what has made America, America.” Mr. Fetterman’s wife, Gisele, was 7 when her Brazilian mother brought her to the U.S. illegally. She naturalized in 2009.

“Two things can be true at the same time,” the senator continues. “We do have a crisis on the border—and we have to look at the numbers that are the size of Pittsburgh showing up on the border. You can’t just say, ‘Oh yeah, OK. It’ll all work itself out.’ ” He sees border security as a matter of common sense: “I think if you really want to address immigration in the way that it deserves, we first must also have a secure border.”
Since becoming mayor of Braddock in 2006, Mr. Fetterman has often bucked the local and state Democratic Party. In 2016, he ran in a U.S. Senate primary against eventual nominee Katie McGinty. He supported Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton that year and made party officials cringe when he warned that Donald Trump could win Pennsylvania in that year’s general election—as he did. “Anyone that spent time across Pennsylvania would have realized how popular he was and how he connected at a very deep level,” Mr. Fetterman now says.
In 2018, Mr. Fetterman ran for lieutenant governor and surprised everyone—including then-Gov. Tom Wolf—by defeating the incumbent, Michael Stack, making him the state’s first lieutenant governor to lose in a primary election. Mr. Fetterman made local activists unhappy along the way, mostly over his support for the natural-gas industry.
Mr. Brauer says Mr. Fetterman has emerged as a center-left senator in a style akin to that of West Virginia’s Joe Manchin and Arizona’s Kyrsten Sinema. “What is most interesting is that while the Pennsylvania senior senator, Bob Casey, has gone from being a major centrist to much more a progressive, the junior senator Fetterman is now being perceived as going from a progressive to a much more independent centrist.”
Mr. Fetterman is proud that he acknowledged his depression publicly: “I realize now that addressing mental health is really critical because I’ve had a lot of people reach out to me and thank me for talking about it, and they have their own personal issue,” he says. “I’ve never been afraid of being judged. My only interest is really trying to help people—because I got lucky and I was able to get the kind of help that I needed. I want that kind of help for anybody—I don’t care, Republican, Democrat, anyone.”
If there is any stress in having the progressive and socialist wing of his party angry at him, it doesn’t show. Mr. Fetterman looks as healthy as he did when he ran for lieutenant governor in 2017—when he was first diagnosed with an irregular heart rhythm, a diagnosis he later admitted he failed to address, and his doctor said ultimately led to his stroke.
“Honestly, I feel fantastic,” he says. “That’s the truth.”

John Fetterman Plays Against Type - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/john-fetterman-plays-against-type-pennsylvania-centrist-israel-border-security-c39d0a2d?mod=opinion_lead_pos5)

“I think if you really want to address immigration in the way that it deserves, we first must also have a secure border.”That's a statement along the lines of the mouse proposing to put a bell around the cat's neck. The question is, how to make the border secure. In my view, if he doesn't advocate for a wall, then he's just playing games. Either a wall or propose something else that's workable. I haven't heard what that something else is.

His policy page is also short on specifics

Building a Humane, Safe, and Secure Immigration System - John Fetterman (https://johnfetterman.com/issue/building-a-humane-safe-and-secure-immigration-system/)

He is right on one thing. Nothing will be done without compromises . The biggest problem with compromise however is that the Dems keep breaking their part of the bargain,