tomder55
Nov 14, 2023, 04:15 AM
President Quid Pro Joe and Chinese dictator Xi will meet tomorrow in San Fran in Quid's latest attempt to appease . It is a side show to the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) meeting , but could be the most important pseudo-summit of the event .
What will they discuss ? According to Politico "the two leaders will have “tough conversations” aimed at stabilizing ties and preventing a slide toward possible conflict." Can anyone say Munich 1938 ?
Biden’s willingness to add Iran to an already packed meeting agenda with Xi underscores the administration’s concern that Iran’s Lebanon-based militant ally Hezbollah might respond to Hamas’s calls for the group to open a second “resistance” front (https://www.politico.eu/article/hezbollah-tehran-leading-from-behind/) against Israel. China and Iran have a strategic partnership (https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/12/iran-china-raisi-00082449) fueled by mutual antipathy toward the U.S. that Beijing underwrites with oil purchases and investment.
China’s ties to Iran will be part of the “tough conversations” between Biden and Xi that will touch on all key issues of the U.S.-China relations, a second senior administration official said. They’ll include discussions on climate cooperation, China’s role in the U.S. opioid overdose epidemic (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/07/fentanyl-china-war-on-drugs-00005920) and Beijing’s alignment with Russia’s war on Ukraine.
Biden to talk tough with Xi on Iran in APEC meeting next week - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/10/biden-xi-china-iran-apec-00126544)
Yeah climate cooperation . A thermo-nuclear exchange will certainly heat up the planet a few degrees.
Quid wants to avoid escalation in the Middle East and wants the hostages back . That would be good for his reelection chances .He knows that Iran is behind all the current conflicts in the region through it's kindred of Cain proxies ; and that China and Iran are becoming strategic allies.
His administration keeps on parroting talking points like not wanting a cold war with China .Hello! One already exists ....what you mean is you don't want a hot war with them. China has engaged in low level warfare against us for years now.
It is fanciful to think that they will help us in the Middle East. Nothing would be better for their interests than to see the US mired in another conflict there. And mired in the conflict we are definitely becoming . We have 2 carrier strike groups in the region . We have a converted Ohio class submarine that no longer carries nukes but instead possibly as many as 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles. Iranian proxies have attacked US assets resulting in multiple US service members being injured .
This is the cooperation they can expect. Prior to Russia's invasion of Ukraine ,the US had details about the coming invasion gathered by our Intel . Quid shared that info with China hoping they would intervene. Instead China informed Putin that Russian communications were corrupted possibly putting US intel assets at risk .
The Slimes wrote, "U.S. officials got intelligence showing Beijing had shared the information with Moscow."
Biden Officials Repeatedly Urged China to Help Avert War in Ukraine - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/us/politics/us-china-russia-ukraine.html)
So why would we think that Xi will oblige ? What is the quid pro quo ? What will be traded for his cooperation ?
One of the useful things to do is to actually listen to what someone says. Often that is a signal of what they will do. Hitler spelled out his ambitions for anyone willing to read or listen
Xi talks of the 'China Dream' ;a world dominated by China.
the notion that the PRC is incapable of treating the world any better than it
treats its own—is not particularly profound. After all, this is a regime that over the decades has erased some 35 million of its subjects and tortured millions more. Regimes like this see no limits on their power. Since they believe nothing is above the state, they rationalize everything they do in the name of the state, the revolution, the Supreme Leader, the Dear Leader (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/what-you-are-not-allowed-to-call-kim-jong-un-when-visiting-north-korea-a7019761.html), the Core Leader (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/31/world/asia/china-xi-jinping-communist-party.html) (Xi’s new title). With no moral constraints on what they do, they believe their ends always justify their means.
Capstones: China’s Dream, the World’s Nightmare - Sagamore Institute (https://sagamoreinstitute.org/capstones-chinas-dream-the-worlds-nightmare/)
His goals cannot be achieved without diminishing or destroying the US . That is well underway. More Americans have died of fentanyl poisoning than we lost in Vietnam and Korea combined. He puts military pressure on out allies in Asia like Philippines and Japan to demonstrate our lack of commitment to them. US representatives have cow-towed to China in meetings there. Xi verbally b*tch slapped Sec State Blinken in Alaska. China flew multiple spy ballons into continental US with little consequence.
Even this meeting is a slap in the face. Xi is not going to San Fran to meet Quid. He is there for APEC . Quid is flying across the country to meet Xi. It is a diplomatic victory for Xi before the meeting even begins .
In the 1930s there were already wars ongoing in Europe and Asia . History merged them into what we now call WWII. Today we see 2 large wars ;many insurgencies and proxy wars in North Africa and around the globe fueled by Russia Iran and China . Will historians of the future merge these wars into WWIII ?
September 30,1938 Neville Chamberlain met with Hitler , He got assurances from Hitler that after Czechoslovakia all his territorial ambitions would be satisfied. Chamberlain declared that he had secured peace for our time.
Peace for our time - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time#:~:text=%22Peace%20for%20our%20 time%22%20was,the%20subsequent%20Anglo%2DGerman%20 Declaration.)
You know how that worked out .
Will the San Fran meeting be peace for our time ?
What will they discuss ? According to Politico "the two leaders will have “tough conversations” aimed at stabilizing ties and preventing a slide toward possible conflict." Can anyone say Munich 1938 ?
Biden’s willingness to add Iran to an already packed meeting agenda with Xi underscores the administration’s concern that Iran’s Lebanon-based militant ally Hezbollah might respond to Hamas’s calls for the group to open a second “resistance” front (https://www.politico.eu/article/hezbollah-tehran-leading-from-behind/) against Israel. China and Iran have a strategic partnership (https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/12/iran-china-raisi-00082449) fueled by mutual antipathy toward the U.S. that Beijing underwrites with oil purchases and investment.
China’s ties to Iran will be part of the “tough conversations” between Biden and Xi that will touch on all key issues of the U.S.-China relations, a second senior administration official said. They’ll include discussions on climate cooperation, China’s role in the U.S. opioid overdose epidemic (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/07/fentanyl-china-war-on-drugs-00005920) and Beijing’s alignment with Russia’s war on Ukraine.
Biden to talk tough with Xi on Iran in APEC meeting next week - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/10/biden-xi-china-iran-apec-00126544)
Yeah climate cooperation . A thermo-nuclear exchange will certainly heat up the planet a few degrees.
Quid wants to avoid escalation in the Middle East and wants the hostages back . That would be good for his reelection chances .He knows that Iran is behind all the current conflicts in the region through it's kindred of Cain proxies ; and that China and Iran are becoming strategic allies.
His administration keeps on parroting talking points like not wanting a cold war with China .Hello! One already exists ....what you mean is you don't want a hot war with them. China has engaged in low level warfare against us for years now.
It is fanciful to think that they will help us in the Middle East. Nothing would be better for their interests than to see the US mired in another conflict there. And mired in the conflict we are definitely becoming . We have 2 carrier strike groups in the region . We have a converted Ohio class submarine that no longer carries nukes but instead possibly as many as 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles. Iranian proxies have attacked US assets resulting in multiple US service members being injured .
This is the cooperation they can expect. Prior to Russia's invasion of Ukraine ,the US had details about the coming invasion gathered by our Intel . Quid shared that info with China hoping they would intervene. Instead China informed Putin that Russian communications were corrupted possibly putting US intel assets at risk .
The Slimes wrote, "U.S. officials got intelligence showing Beijing had shared the information with Moscow."
Biden Officials Repeatedly Urged China to Help Avert War in Ukraine - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/us/politics/us-china-russia-ukraine.html)
So why would we think that Xi will oblige ? What is the quid pro quo ? What will be traded for his cooperation ?
One of the useful things to do is to actually listen to what someone says. Often that is a signal of what they will do. Hitler spelled out his ambitions for anyone willing to read or listen
Xi talks of the 'China Dream' ;a world dominated by China.
the notion that the PRC is incapable of treating the world any better than it
treats its own—is not particularly profound. After all, this is a regime that over the decades has erased some 35 million of its subjects and tortured millions more. Regimes like this see no limits on their power. Since they believe nothing is above the state, they rationalize everything they do in the name of the state, the revolution, the Supreme Leader, the Dear Leader (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/what-you-are-not-allowed-to-call-kim-jong-un-when-visiting-north-korea-a7019761.html), the Core Leader (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/31/world/asia/china-xi-jinping-communist-party.html) (Xi’s new title). With no moral constraints on what they do, they believe their ends always justify their means.
Capstones: China’s Dream, the World’s Nightmare - Sagamore Institute (https://sagamoreinstitute.org/capstones-chinas-dream-the-worlds-nightmare/)
His goals cannot be achieved without diminishing or destroying the US . That is well underway. More Americans have died of fentanyl poisoning than we lost in Vietnam and Korea combined. He puts military pressure on out allies in Asia like Philippines and Japan to demonstrate our lack of commitment to them. US representatives have cow-towed to China in meetings there. Xi verbally b*tch slapped Sec State Blinken in Alaska. China flew multiple spy ballons into continental US with little consequence.
Even this meeting is a slap in the face. Xi is not going to San Fran to meet Quid. He is there for APEC . Quid is flying across the country to meet Xi. It is a diplomatic victory for Xi before the meeting even begins .
In the 1930s there were already wars ongoing in Europe and Asia . History merged them into what we now call WWII. Today we see 2 large wars ;many insurgencies and proxy wars in North Africa and around the globe fueled by Russia Iran and China . Will historians of the future merge these wars into WWIII ?
September 30,1938 Neville Chamberlain met with Hitler , He got assurances from Hitler that after Czechoslovakia all his territorial ambitions would be satisfied. Chamberlain declared that he had secured peace for our time.
Peace for our time - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time#:~:text=%22Peace%20for%20our%20 time%22%20was,the%20subsequent%20Anglo%2DGerman%20 Declaration.)
You know how that worked out .
Will the San Fran meeting be peace for our time ?