There is an enormous difference between telling someone they are being foolish versus saying they are fools. It is not word play.


Maybe we should find out what Jesus meant when he said...?
I completely agree.

Oath of office, oath of allegiance to the king, oath in court to testify truthfully, Pledge of Allegiance to the US flag, 4H pledge, wedding vows, Boy Scout oath, Baptism vows, Confirmation vows,

You are always referencing Scripture to promote doctrine and understanding.

Are we supposed to just ignore Solomon and Psalms and Jesus calling out fools (Matthew 23:17)?
It is Wordplay, in the sense of Legalism. Words are always being redefined, they take on new meaning.
The reason for this might be that God doesn't want his people to accept his word interluded with man's dictionary...Man's interaction with the essence of Holiness. It is not as if a Christian will be condemned by saying a simple word (such as "fool"). But he's (Jesus) talking about the attitude of the heart. Some people used to try and live a Holy life by legalism. What Jesus is saying - is of course related to the motives and anger and so forth, that cause people to move in the direction of murder and the like. Even if they don't go so far to do so (such as murder). Those attitudes are a sin.

We can relate this right along with Oath's or Vow's. God knows that 99.9% of the time when a person makes a vow it is more of a deal-making situation (every time we want something let's make a deal with God), Attitude, and that not of the heart. I give you this you give me that. King David Made Vow's when He was in trouble...Big difference.

Then the Spirit of the LORD came on Jephthah...And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD...whatever comes out of the door of my house...who knows why he felt he needed to do this. Look how many times the Israelites made Vows, even to the extent that if they broke them they would be kicked out of God's Kingdom forever. Jesus said don't make oaths - according to the Law...when we speak of oath we speak it in our native tongue...it doesn't come from the heart.

I in no way am saying it is okay to make a vow to God.
I wasn't in my right mind when I made an Oath. I have to know it was acceptable to God because I am alive and kicking.

Let's take em one at a time.

1. Oath of office. I wouldn't do it. I would simply do what Jesus said to do, which would be to let my "yes" mean "yes".
2. oath of allegiance to the king. Wouldn't do it.
3. oath in court to testify truthfully. Already discussed. You can simply affirm to do so.
4. Pledge of Allegiance to the US flag. Not an oath. If they ever take "under God" out of it, then I'm finished with it.
5. 4H pledge. Silly example.
6. wedding vows. We've already discussed how vows are less serious than oaths. Please keep up.
7. Boy Scout oath. It's not necessarily an oath. It's referred to as an "oath or promise". Boy Scout Oath, Law and Motto (usscouts.org) (http://www.usscouts.org/advance/boyscout/bsoathlaw.asp)
8. Baptism vows and Confirmation vows. Refer to number six.

We can relate this right along with Oath's or Vow's. God knows that 99.9% of the time when a person makes a vow it is more of a deal-making situation (every time we want something let's make a deal with God)How do you know this?

It's interesting to me that when James makes this reference, he introduces it by saying, "Above all else..." That sounds important to me. He didn't say, "Hey guys, in that 0.1% of the time when it's actually serious, then don't make a vow or an oath! The rest of the time you don't have to worry about it." You can explain it away if you want, but I'm not going there.

Your position is made very difficult by the fact that we are not commanded to make oaths. So in Romans 17 or 18 or 19, Paul could have written, "Hey guys, if you really want to make a deal with God, then by all means use an oath." Make a deal with God? I can hardly believe you even suggest something like that. We don't make "deals" with God. We follow God by faith. The "deal" was already concluded at Calvary.


I in no way am saying it is okay to make a vow to God.
I wasn't in my right mind when I made an Oath. I have to know it was acceptable to God because I am alive and kicking.I understand that we do foolish things when we get under pressure. Been there/done that on a number of occasions, including the court situation I related above. But we know we are acceptable to God when we walk according to His word. Our circumstances don't tell us that. A man could say, "It must be OK for me to be married to another man since, after all, I am alive and kicking."

Jesus said don't make oaths - according to the Law...when we speak of oath we speak it in our native tongue...it's not coming from the heart.

An oath to you is more of a legal document. I do this and if I don't I will suffer condemnation. Why did he say you might suffer Condemnation? Wouldn't automatic condemnation follow?? Not to mention you are forgetting the countless oaths that come from Scripture. God himself made oaths.

Everything has to do with the Heart. You are looking at it in a legalistic fashion. There is an evil spirit that leads people to work it out in such a way.

You can do anything as long as the attitude of your heart is right with God. You see God moving in Prostitution, Murder, Deceiving, etc.

Seems that you are wrapped up in a legalism in your approach to the Christian life.

JL, again, please stop with the put-downs. And yes, the 4H pledge is a very special and honorable one. I was a 4H-er for several years and loved every minute of it.

Jesus said don't make oaths - according to the Law...when we speak of oath we speak it in our native tongue...it's not coming from the heart.

An oath to you is more of a legal document. I do this and if I don't I will suffer condemnation. Why did he say you might suffer Condemnation? Wouldn't automatic condemnation follow?? Not to mention you are forgetting the countless oaths that come from Scripture. God himself made oaths.

Everything has to do with the Heart. You are looking at it in a legalistic fashion. There is an evil spirit that leads people to work it out (their lives) in such a way.

You can do anything as long as the attitude of your heart is right with God. You see God moving in Prostitution, Murder, Deceiving, etc all throughout the scripture. I'm talking about Godly people doing these things. Just in case you misunderstand; the spirit in which I speak - Jacob deceiving - such and such becoming a prostitute, prophets murdering, Paul making a vow, Jesus calling Pharisees fools, etc...God allowed it because their heart was in the right place. But yes, I get it. It is best to stay away from doing such things as you believe to be wrong. What is wrong for you doesn't mean it's wrong for God... those whom God is moving through.

Seems that you are wrapped up in a legalism in your approach to the Christian life.

Walter, I'm looking at it based on what Jesus said we are NOT to do. It's just like Eve in the garden. Don't eat the forbidden fruit became OK after a conversation with the enemy of her soul. You can rationalize it if you want to. Your choice. I have no intention of choosing to go against what he plainly and clearly said. The context of both the Matthew and James passages are very clear.

Why is it when someone decides to be obedient to the teachings of Christ, then there is usually another person around who wishes to be disobedient and thus accuses the first person of "legalism"? Obedience to Jesus is not legalism. Do you really think you will stand before God some day and tell Him you were disobedient because you didn't want to be a legalist???


JL, again, please stop with the put-downs. And yes, the 4H pledge is a very special and honorable one. I was a 4H-er for several years and loved every minute of it.WG, we are talking about oaths. You came up with a list that included vows and pledges, but they are not oaths. If I conveyed that idea crudely, then my apologies.

Why is it when someone decides to be obedientYou do understand this goes both ways?

You do understand this goes both ways?I certainly do. Have I objected to a claim by you that you are walking in accordance with God's word? You have already admitted that your taking of oaths was unwise. Is there something else you're referring to?

WG, we are talking about oaths. You came up with a list that included vows and pledges, but they are not oaths. If I conveyed that idea crudely, then my apologies.
You have very narrow definitions limited by your understanding of and demand for using the Bible meaning. It's almost 2024. Times and definitions have changed - including how the word "oath" is defined and used now.

You have claimed that before, WG. I asked you how that is true and have received no response. The Greek word for oath still means...oath. Look at the Matthew passage in context and tell me how modern oaths are different. Try going into a court of law, make false testimony, and then claim afterwards that the oath you took wasn't really serious. See how far you get.

It's 2023!!!! Those words have broader meanings and uses now.

You claim Jesus said, while the Bible is explicitly clear what Jesus said...said in the heart of Scripture. That includes all of History.
There is nothing new under the Sun. You claim making vows is unbiblical. When you see throughout all of Scripture God initiating Oath taking. You claim - should not call anybody a fool. When all through the Scripture fools are being called fools.
You simply take it as The LAW! Everything is either biblical or unbiblical...what else are we to think? My life took an oath, and all you come up with - that is unbiblical. You have no idea how that (oath) has changed a life. You can only point out "We aren't supposed to take oaths." Paul called the Galatians fools, you say he called them foolish and stated, "it is not the same thing," When all along you know he called them fools. You're looking at the Scriptures as if it were a legal document.

It's 2023!!!! Those words have broader meanings and uses now. This is what I'm talking about. It has nothing to do with WORDS!!! It has everything to do with the attitude of one's heart.
Words are out. There is no longer any such thing as Words. God wrote his Word on our Hearts. There are no other words. His Word will last forever. our made-up words are just that, made up. We continue to speak words as if they are truth and bring life. Every other word (outside of scripture) is nonsense. They have no real meaning because they are not real. they are constantly changing, developing new meanings. The New Testament is not a new discovery of God's testimony.

This is becoming redundant.

This is what I'm talking about. It has nothing to do with WORDS!!! It has everything to do with the attitude of one's heart.

Awesome, waltero!

Words are out. There is no longer any such thing as Words. God wrote his Word on our Hearts. There are no other words.And that is your choice. You just want to make it up as you go along and ignore the Bible. You are welcome to it, but I'll not join you. I can assure you of one thing. God is not leading you down that path.


It has everything to do with the attitude of one's heart.How do you know that's true? You can't appeal to the Bible since you have decided that there is no such thing as words, and that words no longer are what you're talking about, so how do you know it's true?


Awesome, waltero!The woman who believes that Jonathan and David were homosexual lovers, and who "suggested" that Jesus and John were as well, thinks your post is awesome.

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The woman who believes that Jonathan and David were homosexual lovers, and who "suggested" that Jesus and John were as well, thinks your post is awesome.
Can you prove otherwise?

Since you, the former librarian, have agreed that there is no longer any such thing as words, then I'm not sure how either of us can meaningfully comment on that subject. If I say the word written in my heart says they were not, will you accept that?

I just wonder how happy Walter is with your endorsement now. But since we are, in your views, no longer bound by mere written words, then do you believe you are both right, in your own minds, about whatever you think? After all, there are no more words other than those in the heart. Correct???

Walter, since WG believes that in her heart, then is she correct? And if you don't agree with her, what makes you think she's wrong? Remember, you can no longer appeal to the written word since you have said there is no longer any such thing as words.

Since you, the former librarian, have agreed that there is no longer any such thing as words, then I'm not sure how either of us can meaningfully comment on that subject. If I say the word written in my heart says they were not, will you accept that?
I've "agreed that there is no longer any such thing as words"? Huh?

I just wonder how happy Walter is with your endorsement now. But since we are, in your views, no longer bound by mere written words, then do you believe you are both right, in your own minds, about whatever you think? After all, there are no more words. Correct???
I was remarking on waltero's well-written, concise, BRIEF reply.

In Walter's "well-written, concise" reply, he stated, "There is no longer any such thing as Words." He went on to assert, "...our made-up words are just that, made up. We continue to speak words as if they are truth and bring life. Every other word (outside of scripture) is nonsense." So Walter, in that "awesome" reply, has rendered all of our words as "nonsense". If that is true, and you have fallen all over yourself to flatter him in his reply, then how are we to communicate???

Why do you continue to put yourself in these glaringly obvious traps?

You apparently don't know how to encourage anyone.

Remember how convoluted his responses used to be? Now his responses are very readable and even understandable. I look forward to reading what he has to say.

His words are, according to him, nonsense, as are yours and mine. Sorry, but I don't see the profit in encouraging that sort of..."nonsense". My goal is to encourage people to think about what they are saying. So often we say things that are completely self-defeating and even dangerous. My questions are designed to get people to begin to see that for themselves, and I certainly that others will do that for me.

So I would ask Walter this. How is it possible for us to communicate if our words are nothing but nonsense?

How is it possible for us to communicate if our words are nothing but nonsense?By the holy spirit.

Every other word (outside of scripture) is nonsense.
Words are out. There is no longer any such thing as Words.So you've now decided these statements are not true? After all, what you just wrote is words, but words are out and no longer exist. Worse, what you just posted is not in the scripture, and thus is not really words.

Think, Walter. Think.

JL, Take this Country for example. We have Laws. We used to have Moral codes. When we have no more Morals we will lose all understanding of the Laws that have been put in place. Whether it is us (society) or God writing those laws, we will be lost. It's not about the Laws being written in your mind, It's all about God's Law being Placed on your HART. It is all about the Heart. I have often wondered why Christians get so involved in the Political realm because changing the Laws will do absolutely nothing...it won't change a thing. Change doesn't start from the Top down, It starts from the bottom up....people have to have a right heart. We know this because we are living it. There is no more understanding of the Law. We have a president who ignores and breaks the Law, we have everybody misinterpreting the Law, and we have the Courts redefining the law. Not only that, we have people making up words and you have to Go along otherwise you will suffer persecution.

So tell me, what is your Idea of a woman? Can you define what a woman is? I'm guessing in a few months (if not now) the definition of Woman will be redefined, and you'll be able to look it up in the Dictionary and see that a woman is not at all what you thought it was. I'm telling you words are out and you are telling me words are in. Yes, the words just keep coming in...new words, old words being made new.

I just watched a movie called "After Death." It is about people who die and come back.
It was interesting. all of the ones they interviewed said the same thing. Said that once they were brought up to the light of love they didn't want to come back. They talked about wonderful music being heard. and they talked about how they didn't have a care in the world. Some said that it was as if this (here on earth) was a dream and where they were at was ultimate reality. They also mentioned "that we use Human words to explain how things are, there are no [human] words to describe what they have seen or where they have been.

It became a reality for them. It needs to become a reality for all Christians.

We need to speak to others with our heart (love).

I'm telling you words are out and you are telling me words are in. Words must still be in for you. You continue using them.

If you are trying to say that the heart is the most important realm in human existence, then I'm with you on that, but when you use words to say that "words are out", it's just muddled thinking. And if you are trying to say that the Bible is no longer important, and that the words of the Bible are no longer important, then you have completely lost your foundation. You really need to think that through a great deal more carefully.

Perhaps this is what you are trying to say.
16 I never stop giving thanks for you as I remember you in my prayers. 17 I pray that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, would give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him. 18 I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened so that you may know what is the hope of his calling, what is the wealth of his glorious inheritance in the saints, 19 and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the mighty working of his strength.

I'm saying that it is not the Words in and of themselves that are important.
It's easy to learn the meaning of words. All we need to do is search and look them up. Words coming from the mouth of God (Bible) have many different meanings...different understandings. Just look at the many different translations. There might come a time when the Bible will be outlawed. Then what will we have? You want to interpret scripture using the words that are at your disposal. Those same words have completely different meanings when it comes to the Bible and God.

We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

Do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say. To think Christianly or to think biblically is not simply to think Christian thoughts or to think biblical thoughts, but it’s to think all of our thoughts from a Christian and biblical perspective.

From what I gather, you are stuck on words (after all you are a teacher). The mere fact that you put it out there as an Oath, having a different meaning than Vows...and the like. Taking a similar position; "calling somebody foolish is not the same as calling them a fool." You are welcome to look it up in the dictionary. For me, I'd rather learn from the scriptures.

For instance; You foolish Galatians. Oh, foolish Galatians. You stupid Galatians. Oh stupid Galatians. O senseless Galatians. All these come from the same Bible, different translations. Jesus states that calling someone a fool is grounds for judgment. Note; Both, Jesus and Paul occasionally called people fools.

Then we have: But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all. But I say, do not make any vows! But I tell you not to swear at all. All come from the Same Word (Scripture). Then we see (not to be heard but seen) St. Paul... Paul often employed oath formulas in order to testify to the truth of his assertions (Rom 1.9; 9.1; 2 Cor 1.23; 11.31; Gal 1.20).

As well as your continual claim that you're not against babies being Baptized. Yet you are quick to bring up "Nowhere in the Bible are you going to find a baby being baptized." If you were speaking truthfully, then there is no reason at all for you to have brought this up. You unwittingly fell right into WG's hand.

I also know something about you that you might not realize. You will automatically go on defense, being that you think I'm slagging you...and you won't even understand a single word that I speak...You too, knowing words to be helpless.

Christ did not absolutely abolish or condemn the use of the oath; His demand set the Christian ideal but did not rule out the possibility of an oath on certain occasions.

You want to interpret scripture using the words that are at your disposal. Those same words have completely different meanings when it comes to the Bible and God.Please give an example of this.


From what I gather, you are stuck on words (after all you are a teacher). The mere fact that you put it out there as an Oath, having a different meaning than Vows...and the like.That's because a vow and an oath are different, kind of like a dog and a cat are different.


For me, I'd rather learn from the scriptures.Oh? Then don't take oaths. Simple. It's clearly stated in two places. You must be careful lest you seem to prefer disobedience and attempts to rationalize such as, "Christ did not absolutely abolish or condemn the use of the oath; His demand set the Christian ideal but did not rule out the possibility of an oath on certain occasions." Believe that if you want, but you didn't learn it "from the scripture".


As well as your continual claim that you're not against babies being Baptized. Yet you are quick to bring up "Nowhere in the Bible are you going to find a baby being baptized." If you were speaking truthfully, then there is no reason at all for you to have brought this upI have said repeatedly that my concern is people teaching that infant baptism results in the baby becoming a Christian. It would be nice if you understood that.


You will automatically go on defense, being that you think I'm slagging you...and you won't even understand a single word that I speak...You too, knowing words to be helpless.Can't really respond to that since it makes no sense.

That's because a vow and an oath are differentOnly in Word, Not in Deed (the act of performing).
Can't really respond to that since it makes no sense. That's because you can't see. You are blind. Anybody who read my last response would not have asked for an example, because I've already posted them...you simply can't see them.

You quote Christ as saying Oath (you've defined Oath and that is what you are sticking with) when Jesus did not say Oath (oath as you know it). When he clearly said Oath, Vow, swear.
I'd rather learn from the scriptures.

Then don't take oaths. Simple. NOW HEAR THIS: Learning the Law is not the same as learning from the Law.
Then don't take oaths. Simple This (Simple) is legalism...learning the Law. Please try to learn from the Law. That means learning from the whole Bible. When I took an oath from God, It was exactly that...It came from God himself. I only found out it was from God a few months later, from when I first took it. I didn't give it, I took it. And here we have [you] telling me not to make oaths because that's what the Bible tells "YOU"...Again, who are you? So, if it is Words you want, I took an oath, while in your mind Jesus said not to make oaths. There you have it. Do you understand now?

It's like when somebody is telling another Christian his vision. If that Christian doesn't believe in Visions, then automatically all visions are false....not given by God. When the Scriptures are full of Visions, Vows/Oaths, and pointing out fools, etc.

It might be better if you stop issuing words to people. Maybe you might be better off just listening (learning) with a closed mouth. Who knows, you might see God's Word in action.

Have fun with just words on a forum. I have better things to do.

Only in Word, Not in Deed (the act of performing).Believe what you will. Oaths and vows are different.


Anybody who read my last response would not have asked for an example, because I've already posted them...yes you can't see them.Because you haven't posted them.




This is legalism...learning the Law. Please try to learn from the Law. That means learning from the whole Bible. When I took an oath from God, It was exacly that...It came from God himself. I only found out it was from God a few months later, from when I first took it. I didn't give it, I took it. And here we have [you] telling me not to make oaths because that's what the Bible tells "YOU" says...Again, who are you? SO, if it is Words you want, I took an oath, while in your mind Jesus said not to make oaths. There you have it.
It's like when somebody is telling another Christian his vision. If you don't believe in Visions, then you automatically believe his Vision was false....not given to him my God.
As I said...rationalizing. I'm not telling you anything. I have simply quoted Jesus and James. You think God has commended you for doing what Jesus clearly and plainly said not to do. Well, you are free to make your own choices. You read the Bible and you decide for yourself, but don't point the finger at me. It is Jesus you are disagreeing with.

I tell you, don’t take an oath at all: either by heaven, because it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, because it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, because it is the city of the great King. 36 Do not swear by your head, because you cannot make a single hair white or black. 37 But let your ‘yes’ mean ‘yes,’ and your ‘no’ mean ‘no.’ Anything more than this is from the evil one.

James. "Above all, my brothers and sisters, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath. But let your “yes” mean “yes,” and your “no” mean “no,” so that you won’t fall under judgment."

I don't see a pathway out of such clear and frank statements. It does not add, "Unless you are Walter." You claim you do. Well, it's your head, so I'll leave you to your ways.

I don't see a pathway out of such clear and frank statementsNo you don't, that much is apparent...Neither do the Jews. Maybe someday you will see such a path in Jesus. This will not happen until you give up the words with which "you" (it's all you) continue to speak.

You mean these?

I tell you, don’t take an oath at all: either by heaven, because it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, because it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, because it is the city of the great King. 36 Do not swear by your head, because you cannot make a single hair white or black. 37 But let your ‘yes’ mean ‘yes,’ and your ‘no’ mean ‘no.’ Anything more than this is from the evil one.

James. "Above all, my brothers and sisters, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath. But let your “yes” mean “yes,” and your “no” mean “no,” so that you won’t fall under judgment."

Be careful lest you think you have a problem with what I've said when in reality your problem is with what Christ said. Jesus is not going to give you a pathway around His own words. All of your religious talk will not get you very far.

You mean these?Yes I mean those. You continue to speak them as if you know them. As if you know them for all people, past present and future.

Yes I mean those. You continue to speak them as if you know them. As if you know them for all people, past present and future.Sadly, you don't even recognize the words of Jesus when you read them. And yes, they are for all people at all times, and that most certainly includes you and me.

You think God has commended you for doing what Jesus clearly and plainly said not to do.Take this for instance. Why would you think that, unless your perspective is positioned on the Legal aspect of God's Commands?
This is Not at all what I said or thought. If you want to go back and read, you will see that God Commanded me to take his Oath. Surely I could have repented of taking such an Oath (which I did). So now what? Do I wait for Condemnation? Do I fulfill the oath that I took? would that make any difference in whether I suffer condemnation, or not? I tell you; Fulfilling the Vows (I have to relive them every day, trying not to take back that which I already gave to God) That I took Has Given me a much better understanding Of God's love for me. I would assume (according to your teaching) that any Christian who has ever given a vow to God should feel the need to repent, turning it into an easy out, not having to fulfill said vow...taking back what they have promised to give to God. The only thing you can do is repent and fulfill all Vows. It's also more than that. If the Vow you took is so ingrained in you (that you are constantly troubled by it), you should realize it is not up to you to fulfill said Vow, It is up to God to fulfill it in you. Come a point in time when you must ask God to fulfill "His" vow that He promises to fulfill in you.

I have said repeatedly that my concern is people teaching that infant baptism results in the baby becoming a Christian.
Baptizing ANYONE of ANY age does not make them a Christian.

you will see that God Commanded me to take his OathSo Jesus first told all of us not to take oaths, but then God told you to take an oath? See a problem with that?


I would assume (according to your teaching)It is not my teaching.

Baptizing ANYONE of ANY age does not make them a Christian.And so rather plainly, a person cannot claim to be born again at two weeks because of being baptized.

God said that Levites were to marry a Virgin only. Yet God told him to go lay with a prostitute. To Mary a prostitute.

God said that Levites were to marry a Virgin only. Yet God told him to go lay with a prostitute. To Mary a prostitute.1. Hosea was not a Levite. 2. He was not told to "lay with" Gomer. 3. You are not Hosea.

Enough of this. You claim that God told you to violate the command of Christ and take an oath, a choice which you later repented of. None of that makes any sense. I would suggest you simply admit your mistake and move on. Thankfully, God is full of mercy. He has been for me on many occasions, thank God. I know of no one who needs it more than me.

And so rather plainly, a person cannot claim to be born again at two weeks because of being baptized.
At three weeks.... Or at any age?

Correct.

Correct.
Thus, Baptism does what?

Read for yourself.

11 You were also circumcised in him with a circumcision not done with hands, by putting off the body of flesh, in the circumcision of Christ, 12 when you were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And when you were dead in trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, he made you alive with him and forgave us all our trespasses. 14 He erased the certificate of debt, with its obligations, that was against us and opposed to us, and has taken it away by nailing it to the cross.

No, in your own 2023 words.

No. Read the Bible.

Just this is sufficient, especially for a well-read, intelligent librarian.

12 when you were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

No. Read the Bible.

Just this is sufficient, especially for a well-read, intelligent librarian.

12 when you were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
Nope. First the turn-down, then the put-down, then the vague, out of context, verse.

Cleverly written. Sadly, it is entirely inaccurate. The passage is a staple concerning baptism, was certainly not out of context, and scarcely vague.


a well-read, intelligent librarian.That was not a sarcastic comment. It's how I see you. You are well-read, you are quite intelligent, and you were a librarian for many years.

And a well-trained, experienced psychotherapist....

But you know I love you (as a fellow child of God).

Mental challenge for the board. See if you can pick out the person pretending to be a woman in order to join a sorority.

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the ugly one with the 5 o clock shadow on his chin.

Now is he really a transformer ? My frat was inducting women into it long before Title 9 . And they did not even have to pretend they were men. In fact that would've been disqualifying .

I can't help but feel sorry for him. What a terrible level of deception to be living in.

Some people simply have no courage. It's easier to bend with the winds of popular opinion than to stand for truth.


Saint Mary’s College in Notre Dame, Indiana recently declared it will consider allowing biological males to attend the university if they have a history of identifying as women.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/catholic-womens-college-indiana-consider-applicants-identify-women