Several hundred dead in what amounted to a large, well-coordinated terror attack. The Israeli response will doubtless be overwhelming. I would think they are going to clear the Arabs out of the Gaza Strip, or at least in some portions of it.

I find it hard to believe that Hamas could sneak attack without Israel having some awareness it was coming . UNLESS it was planned and coordinated by an outside nation . And I don't mean Iran. The Israeli and US SIGINT and HUMINT are very aware of Iranian provocations.



Three possibilities. First Israel and the US knew it was coming and let it happen . Not likely .

Second ;Russia helped coordinate the attacks.

The third possibility and least likely is that Hamas is so sophisticated that they could smuggle in all those weapons ;communicate without electronics ;and still have a coordinated land ,sea, and air assault without any warning to Israel.

This is most unlikely because it comes on the anniversary of the surprise attack on Israel on Yom Kippur 1973. Israel is acutely aware that the Muslims love to attack on anniversary dates.

As an example ;the 9-11 attack occurred on the Muslim holiday of Eid ul-Fitr at the end of Ramadan. The 7/7 /05 London subway bombing happened on the Muslim celebration of Eid al-Adha .

So Israel should've been in a heightened state of alert .

Russia has an interest in both distracting attention from Ukraine and complicating Israel's rapprochement with Saudi Arabia by creating tension in the region.
Hamas will deplete it's weapons .Israel will again enter Gaza and pummel Hamas. Then they will succumb to international pressure to end the war unresolved. Wash/Rince /Repeat. There is also a possibility that Hezbollah could attack from the north. Israel can deal with that too ;but it would take longer .

Already there is talk of US $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and weapons to be sent to assist Israel. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and weapons to Israel will not go to Ukraine. Russia plays the long game.

And just like clockwork ;the Dems observe a day of Palestinian relentless attacks on Israel. Then just as Israel prepared a counter attack ;they call for cease fire.

All Out Crazy ..... “An immediate ceasefire and de-escalation is urgently needed to save lives”

Ilhan Omar ......."we need to call for deescalation and ceasefire.”



I would think they are going to clear the Arabs out of the Gaza Strip, or at least in some portions of it.

That is the method we used to have peace with the Native Americans in the 19th century ....... remove the threat . The time for a cease fire is after an Israeli victory .

Who could blame them for wanting to basically clear the Arabs out of the Gaza Strip? From any reasonable person's perspective, the Israelis need to be able to defend their little country, and it's plain that, under the current arrangement, it cannot be done.

You want more killing, more deaths?

I propose that what I suggested will ultimately save lives .

I propose that what I suggested will ultimately save lives .
After an Israeli victory? More deaths and destruction? More anger and hatred churned up?

Israel suffering 700 deaths is on the order of us having 22,000 dead. So I would think that after an Israeli victory is the way to go.

What is happening in Israel is coming here soon enough thanks to the Clueless Joe invasion of illegals .

Reporter says he filmed hundreds of military-age Chinese men heading toward US in migrant groups | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/media/reporter-says-filmed-hundreds-military-age-chinese-men-heading-toward-us-migrant-groups)

I have been following the reporting of combat reporter Michael Yon for over 2 decades

This was his tweet today


Hamas Raping and Killing Women — Darien Gap is WIDE OPEN FOR BUSINESSMeanwhile uncategorized Arabs flow through Darien every hour. Including “Palestinians” I personally encounter.

Michael Yon: Callsign BIG HONEY 6 on X: "Hamas Raping and Killing Women — Darien Gap is WIDE OPEN FOR BUSINESS Meanwhile uncategorized Arabs flow through Darien every hour. Including “Palestinians” I personally encounter. Jews and others have nowhere to run because not tossing out vaxxing-and other self-destructive… https://t.co/JSkDpZJFLe" / X (twitter.com) (https://twitter.com/Michael_Yon/status/1711083201836560802)


Michael Yon: Callsign BIG HONEY 6 on X: "Hamas is raping and killing women and children. This is their way. This is a population vs population war. The populations will fight forever until one or the other is gone. Hamas has chosen an evil path and should be destroyed in detail. Terrorists of many stripes flood… https://t.co/sK9nJTYQtj" / X (twitter.com) (https://twitter.com/Michael_Yon/status/1710932511377793315)


Meanwhile Flashback September 12 in a prelude to war ;Hamas Leaders meet with Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov .


The meeting is likely to further strain ties between Jerusalem and Moscow, already frayed amid Israel's support for Ukraine since Russia's invasion over six months ago and Moscow’s attempt to close the Jewish Agency within its borders.
Airstrikes in Syria attributed to Israel have also sparked conflict between the two nations, with Lavrov condemning the attacks (https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/1661267452-russia-s-foreign-minister-condemns-israeli-strikes-in-syria) in August.
He specifically singled out what he called the "very disturbing" attack on Damascus airport on June 10, and attacks on the port of Tartus on the Mediterranean coast, which Israel did claim responsibility for.


Russia’s Lavrov Meets With Hamas Chief In Moscow - I24NEWS (https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-territories/1663045678-russia-s-lavrov-meets-with-hamas-chief-in-moscow)


Port of Tartus ......where have I heard that name before ?

Russia Expands Military Facilities in Syria (voanews.com) (https://www.voanews.com/a/middle-east_russia-expands-military-facilities-syria/6205742.html)

Was Hamas attack funded with US $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ??????

U.S. makes deal with Iran to swap prisoners and release $6 billion in frozen money | PBS NewsHour (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/u-s-makes-deal-with-iran-to-swap-prisoners-and-release-6-billion-in-frozen-money)

After an Israeli victory? More deaths and destruction? More anger and hatred churned up?

The Hamas Charter calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Just having them in Gaza makes them an existential threat to Israel. Their intentions are clear and unambiguous .




Article 11 Palestine is sacred (waqf) for all Muslims for all time, and it cannot be relinquished by anyone.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter#cite_note-avalon-1)
Article 12 affirms that "Nationalism, from the point of view of the Islamic Resistance Movement, is part of the religious creed".[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter#cite_note-avalon-1)
Article 13 There is no negotiated settlement possible. Jihad is the only answer.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter#cite_note-avalon-1)
Article 14 The liberation of Palestine is the personal duty of every Palestinian.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter#cite_note-avalon-1)



Hamas Charter - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter#:~:text=Article%2013%20There%20is%20 no,personal%20duty%20of%20every%20Palestinian.)


What everyone should concern themselves with is that a terrorist organization has achieved that level of command and control; coordination and sophistication of the attack in the face of arguably the best intel network on earth.

I would be hard pressed to argue against someone saying that the US knew it was going to happen. We think of 9-11 a terrible intel failure because we did not detect a single terror cell infiltration.

This operation by Hamas rivals the performances of the best militaries in the world . That should keep everyone awake at night.

Senator Spartacus was in Israel and had to shelter in place.

Sen. Cory Booker says he is shaken, angered, heartbroken after taking cover in bomb shelter in Israel (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sen-cory-booker-says-he-is-shaken-angered-heartbroken-after-taking-cover-in-bomb-shelter-in-israel/ar-AA1hTNVt?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ec2f70e1dc4e4f7b81f0d98e4bfee93c&ei=32)

Israel will be needing an infusion of US weapons . But all our surplus stock has been sent to Ukraine.

another thought . Much like the CIA has preferences on which administration it supports ;and which it undermines ..... is it possible that the Mossad has decided to knee cap Bibi ?



The Israeli government issued a statement on Sunday firmly rejecting assertions contained in the leaked Pentagon documents that the leadership of the Mossad, Israel’s foreign intelligence service, had encouraged the agency’s staff and Israeli citizens to participate in the anti-government protests that roiled the country in March.
Mossad and other senior Israeli defense officials denied the assessment’s findings, and The New York Times was unable to independently verify the U.S. intelligence assessment.
The statement issued on Sunday by the Israeli prime minister’s office on behalf of the Mossad described the assertion as “mendacious and without any foundation whatsoever.”
Senior U.S. officials said the F.B.I. was working to determine the source of the leaked documents. The officials acknowledged that the documents appeared to be legitimate intelligence and operational briefs compiled by the Pentagon’s Joint Staff, using reports from the government’s intelligence community, but that at least one had been modified from the original at some later point.

Israel Denies Leaked Claim That Mossad Encouraged Protest - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/08/world/middleeast/israel-mossad-leaked-documents-pentagon.html)

we supplied both sides

Israel: US arms left in Afghanistan reach Gaza – Middle East Monitor (https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230617-israel-us-arms-left-in-afghanistan-reach-gaza/)

How long do you suppose it will take our ever-alert pres to refreeze Iran's 6 billion in assets we control? I have read that Iran has not used any of to date.

Right now they don't admit that Iran was involved . Funding for Hamas typically is a Saudi effort or more correctly ;the Saudis do not directly fund them , They turn a blind eye to Hamas funding from Saudi Arabia.

Iran direct funding goes to Hezbollah. If they get involved ;along with attacks from the West Bank things can get very tough for Israel . They are the world’s most heavily armed terrorist group , and has been described as “a militia trained like an army and equipped like a state.", and] its fighters “are nothing like Hamas or the Palestinians,” “They are trained and highly qualified,” he said, equipped with flak jackets, night-vision goggles, good communications and sometimes Israeli uniforms and ammunition.

Hamas already shocked with their coordination and competence. Hezbollah has been there for a decade .

Hamas rocket fire overwhelmed Iron dome. Hezbollah has no less than 130,000 missiles that are longer range and more accurate.

A Disciplined Hezbollah Surprises Israel With Its Training, Tactics and Weapons - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/07/world/middleeast/07hezbollah.html)

They also have anit-tank /ship and AAM rockets in their arsenal.

Hezbollah is more well armed than many of out European partners ,


The US claims the $6 billion is still safe in a Qatari bank.But money is fungible . The money in Qatar frees up money that would've been used for so called "humanitarian" uses for fighting israel. I do not believe that Clueless Joe would do any more than the lip service he has given the war so far .

Hundreds of deaths in "Israel," meanwhile, Palestinians have been victims of genocide and ethnic cleansing for 70+ years. This thread criticizes the Hamas while Zionists have (and continue to) snipe and lethally gas civilians - women, children, medics, and journalists - as they were peacefully protesting and documenting during the Great March of Return in 2018-2019. All war crimes and egregious acts per the Geneva Conventions.

Yet, when they now try and fight back for basic civil and humanitarian rights, Palestinians are the ones called "terrorists." "Terrorists" who live in poverty; have one of the highest rates of unemployment; not enough food, water, or electricity, and under constant siege so that these resources are constantly cut off and strictly distributed just above malnutrition levels; buildings bombed and decimated, unable to be rebuilt because Israel prohibits construction materials from being imported to them; houses bulldozed down with Palestinians still inside; people taken in and out of jail or shot on the streets and unable to work or go to school or live normal lives. They cannot go anywhere even if they wanted to as Israel has sieged them by land and sea via checkpoints and blockades. The checkpoints Palestinians need to cross just for food and what little work they can find are so strict/controlled and manipulated so that those who "cross" are deemed exiled and are attacked if they try to return. These paths have even been planted with mines in the past.

But western media will not show any of this; it is so biased and one-sided. This is one of the only sources I have been able to access and post without it being taken down:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnZSaKYmP2s

Or, if you can't find the time to watch the entire documentary, see below, but I highly recommend the documentary:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyMaeFYvK5H/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyPqvLlMn4C/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

genocide and ethnic cleansing???? Israel does neither . Some of Israel's policies are debatable that is true . But none of them reach the levels of either extermination or forceable removal. Palestinians in Israel are citizens with full citizen rights. Palestinians are in Israel's Knesset .

Now if the situation were reversed and the Palestinians controlled the small sliver of land that is Israel then you would see brutal ethnic cleansing and genocide . The Hamas Charter makes that an explicit goal.

highest rates of unemployment; not enough food, water, or electricity, and under constant siege

As Golda Meir said "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."

Measures Israel takes are defensive. They exited Gaza and gave the Palestinians the assistance needed to become a prosperous area . Instead of working to build their economy the Palestinians in Gaza used it as a base to wage war on Israel They looted the green houses where hundreds of them were employed . They use cement imported from Israel not to build up their community but instead to construct attack and smuggling of weapons tunnels .

Yet, when they now try and fight back for basic civil and humanitarian rights, Palestinians are the ones called "terrorists."When this effort to "fight back" centers around killing hundreds of innocent civilians, raping women, and beheading soldiers, then please don't expect any sympathy. It was a sickening example of terror and hatred on a large scale.

RP36, I hope you keep posting but start thinking more clearly.

The $6 billion is nothing compared to the $$$ that Iran has been able to obtain since Quid Pro Joe decided to not enforce the oil sanctions . Trump's enforcement limited their sale of oil to between 400,000 to 500,000 barrels per day. Quid dropped enforcement and Iran increased their sale of oil to between 3 and 4 million barrels a day. Iran’s cash reserves went from $7 Billion to $70 to $80 Billion .


The other thing is Quid is absolutely lying about his ability to freeze the $6 billion in Qatar . He cannot do that . The money was transferred to Iran and is in safe keeping in Hamas friendly Qatar ;where Hamas maintains it's main office in Doha .
In addition ,Qatar aids Hamas to almost a half $billion a year. But Clueless Joe thinks Qatar will intervene to get hostages held by the terrorist released.

Genocide is a term used to describe violence against members of a national, ethnic, racial or religious group with the intent to destroy the entire group.

From 1990 to 2022 the population of Palestine increased from 1.98 million to 5.04 million people. This is a growth of 155.0 percent in 32 years.

If the Israelis are practicing genocide they are doing a lousy job of it .

It has become so common to see these wild claims (such as Israeli genocide) thrown around with no evidence whatsoever to support them.

In the meantime, there is this.


Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's (https://www.foxnews.com/category/person/benjamin-netanyahu) office has released photos Thursday that it said confirmed Hamas terrorists "murdered and burned" babies in Kfar Aza, in southern Israel near the Gaza Strip.
The images purport to show the bodies of two infants who were burned alive, with the third appearing to show a decapitated infant in a blood-splattered onesie. The photos appear to have been taken inside a medical facility.
"Here are some of the photos Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu showed to US Secretary of State Antony Blinken," read a post by Netanyahu’s office on X. "Warning: These are horrifying photos of babies murdered and burned by the Hamas monsters. Hamas is inhuman. Hamas is ISIS."

Have you heard of the Samson Option?

I have not.

From Wikipedia:

"The Samson Option (Hebrew (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language): ברירת שמשון, b'rerat shimshon) is the name that some military analysts and authors have given to Israel (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel)'s deterrence strategy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deterrence_theory) of massive retaliation (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_retaliation) with nuclear weapons (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel) as a "last resort" against a country whose military has invaded and/or destroyed much of Israel."

Not sure what your point is. I doubt that anyone is expecting that of Israel in this situation.


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Not sure what your point is. I doubt that anyone is expecting that of Israel in this situation.


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But you can destroy them before they destroy you.

If the options are national destruction or launching nukes what do you think the US would do ? It is a simple deterrence doctrine

fact Libya gave up nuclear ambiguity and Evita saw it as a green ligjht -.

Clinton on Qaddafi: We came, we saw, he died - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI)

fact . The world talked Ukraine into giving up it's deterrence by surrendering its Soviet nukes in the 1994 Bucharest Memorandum in exchange for territorial integrity . You see how that worked out .

Same as MAD. No difference in both of them being a system of deterrence.

"Some of Israel's policies are debatable that is true. But none of them reach the levels of either extermination or forceable removal."

"Now if the situation were reversed and the Palestinians controlled the small sliver of land that is Israel..."

You are both confused and have things completely mixed up, and it doesn't seem like you watched the documentary I cited or the Instagram posts that cover some of its important points. Therefore, here is my attempt to cover it.

"Israel" covers and controls the VAST MAJORITY of Palestinian land. Palestinians have been forced to move exclusively to the West Bank and Gaza Strip, the latter being only ~25 x 7.5 mi. big. That's about twice the size of Washington, DC. And to put that into perspective, Washington, DC has a population of ~713,00 people as of 2020 while 2.2 MILLION Palestinians have been displaced from their villages and expected to live on this strip of land (that's more than TRIPLE the population of DC in the same space; try to imagine the density/crowdedness and how you would function in those circumstances). In the 1930s-40s in fact, the Israeli city "Sderot" was originally actually the village of "Huj," which was 100% inhabited by Muslim Palestinians. Israelis only started arriving to the land and living in villages like Huj when Britain gave them permission after WWII, even though they KNEW there were already people living there. Because of this, Nakba ("the catastrophe" in English) occurred, in which the Israelis displaced and depopulated 500+ Palestinian villages or 750,000+ people. Those who refused to leave were shot dead.

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THEN, the United Nations attempted to correct this action by passing Resolution 194, which states the following:
“Refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.”

This is an international law that "Israel" continues to REFUSE to follow and has violated for decades now. The First Prime Minister of "Israel," Ben Gurion, explicitly said "We must expel the Arabs and take their places." Military orders reflecting this are pictured below:

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Furthermore, in regard to Israel's policies being "debatable" and "self-defense," please view the following image:

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This is from the documentary and shows an Israeli soldier about to shoot and kill a 14-year-old child who was merely hanging a flag on the fence. He then laughs and cheers after she's dead, calling those trying to help her "Sons of Bit**es." See timestamps 47:23 to 48:20 for the full filming of the shooting in the documentary I linked in my last post. Israeli soldiers did the exact same thing to medics during the Great March of Return, who were clearly dressed in medic uniforms with their arms raised as they approached the fences trying to gather the wounded who were previously shot and gassed. The same applied to disabled citizens who were clearly and visibly using wheelchairs and crutches (timestamps 49:53 to 50:27). These soldiers were given permission via a shoot-to-kill policy on all these people who were several hundred meters away from the fence, completely unarmed or only holding slings of rocks at the very most.

So please, explain to me how acts like these from Israelis are "debatable" and for "self-defense." Are children, medics, and the disabled threats now? Are these policies of displacing original inhabitants of the land and then refusing to let them return "debatable," or outright wrong and a violation of international law? With all due respect, I believe my thinking is perfectly clear.

What's the history of Israel being populated?

Time does not permit me to do a point by point rebuttal . Let's just start with one contention.... that Israel expelled 750,000 Palestinians in 1948

It is true that SOME were expelled . Some of the richer Palestinians left in anticipation of the war . The VAST majority of those who left were complying to a call from Arab invading nations telling the civilian population to get out of the way of their armies. There was no massive expulsion . To the contrary
Jewish leaders urged the Arabs to remain in Palestine and become citizens of Israel.

In the midst of wanton aggression, we yet call upon the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve the ways of peace and play their part in the development of the State, on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its bodies and institutions

The Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel (jewishvirtuallibrary.org) (https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-declaration-of-the-establishment-of-the-state-of-israel)


What you do not mention is the Jews who were expelled from Arab States . They were welcomed in Israel. Was the same accommodations given to Palestinians in Arab states ? NO ! Even now with Israel needing to go into Gaza to remove the Hamas threat ;Egypt refuses to open the Rafah gate to allow Palestinians refugees to enter Egypt . Egypt could easily on their own accommodate the entire Palestinian community in the Sinai . Why hasn't nations like Qatar ;and Turkey who both house Hamas leadership allow Palestinian refugees ?

The answer is obvious . They want Palestinians living in squalor because it serves their goal of fostering hatred for Jews .

Had the Arabs accepted the 1947 UN resolution, not a single Palestinian would have become a refugee. An independent Arab state would now exist beside Israel.

Today 20% of rhe Knesset is Arab members .


btw I both watched the propaganda video and read Jimmy Carter's fractured faerie tale 'Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid.'

I found neither persuasive. His distortions are again too many to mention. The fact is that once Jews started moving there, economic opportunities began to develop. Arabs from neighboring states moved there . Before the Jewish migration that began after WWI ,the area was occupied by nomadic tribes.

There was NO Palestine prior to the UN mandate. The name itself is a fictional re-creation of the Romans calling the land Palestine instead of Israel when they defeated Israel.
The word was not widely used in modern times until the Egyptian Yasser Arafat created the PLO in 1964.

The VAST majority of those who left were complying to a call from Arab invading nations telling the civilian population to get out of the way of their armies.

It looks like you got the Arab-invading-nations part from the general "History of Palestine" page from Wikipedia, but that does NOT apply to what I'm referring to. The 750,000+ Palestinians were expelled from their very land Zionist militias conquered; not other Arab nations! Additionally, the Wikipedia page I'm assuming you got your part form literally states that "Israel" would not allow them to return, so how can one be a "citizen," as you later argue, if they aren't even allowed to live on the land of that "citizenship," let alone a "full" and "equal" citizenship that your source hypocritically states.

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There was no massive expulsion.

So I guess 750,000 isn't a massive number anymore?

Jewish leaders urged the Arabs to remain in Palestine and become citizens of Israel.

While I have already disputed this claim above to an extent, this belief right here is also contributing to the root of the problem. Why should Palestinians become citizens of "Israel" when they were there BEFORE? If anything, it should be the reverse, but Israelis believe they are the "chosen" people and should be the sole occupants of the land. Their government doesn't truly want Palestinian citizens; they're doing everything to try and kill them, regardless of whether they identify as Hamas or regular civilians!

Furthermore, while I don't fully agree with your statements about the surrounding Middle Eastern countries, it is indeed a true shame that they're not helping. I don't think the motive is anti-Semitism, but more likely money, politics, and resources, as what a lot of problems generally stem from.

Had the Arabs accepted the 1947 UN resolution, not a single Palestinian would have become a refugee. An independent Arab state would now exist beside Israel.

Completely false. First of all, the UN "resolution" you're referring to was an unfair solution to begin with. It was created after the poor decision Britain made when declaring an already-inhabited land full of people with their own culture and society a home for other people to make completely theirs. Second of all, that "resolution," as you stated, was made in 1947, which was then nullified once the UN announced Resolution 194 in 1948, which I cited in my previous post. And third of all, Palestinians have ALREADY TRIED to be their own independent country despite the Israeli occupation. They held a democratic election in which the people voted for the Hamas to control Gaza. In reaction to losing this election, the Israeli party revealed that this was what they wanted all along so that they could declare Palestine a "hostile state," which in their eyes (and most of the rest of the world because of biased media), would "justify" the absolute violent and barbaric acts they have been taking on ALL Palestinians, as I've described in my previous post. All vile with machiavellian manipulation.

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There was NO Palestine prior to the UN mandate.

Land and countries have gone through different names and rulers throughout all of history. That doesn't mean that the PEOPLE who inhabit that land/country don't exist either. That's like saying Native Americans and their tribes didn't exist because they weren't discovered/known until Christopher Columbus and other settlers/pilgrims/colonialists arrived. And what the United States did to them is just as bad.

Also, the whole thing about Hamas "killing Israeli babies" and "decapitating/burning Israeli babies" has been taken back and falsified. The original reporter, Israeli military, and President Biden have all retracted their statements and there's no proof out there to support these claims. You can Google it yourself if you won't watch the Instagram posts I link; there's plenty of news articles.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyV7NuwLHU8/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng%3D%3D

https://instagram.com/stories/sbeih.jpg/3212302673697466004?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

Meanwhile, an interview with former Prime Minister of "Israel," Naftali Bennett, shows him questioning why the interviewer is asking about Palestinian CIVILIANS and clearly states not giving Palestinian CIVILAINS food, water, or electricity:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyT8svMB--p/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng%3D%3D

Siege warfare is a b*tch . I saw no general outcry when Russia leveled Grozny

If I was commanding the Israeli forces I would not commit a single IDF soldier until a capitulation from cutting off essential services. This will save both Israeli and Palestinian lives . Will the people of Gaza suffer ? Sure . They suffer now because Hamas instead of administering the area a responsible leaders has used them as disposable pawns to achieve their goals of extermination of Jews as enumerated in their charter .

I hear the moaning and groaning about Israel's tactics but not a word that Hamas is holding not only hostages (not prisoners ) from Israel and other nations ;but also that the bass turd Hamas uses their own population as human shields .



Hamas’ most common uses of human shields include: Firing rockets, artillery, and mortars from or in proximity to heavily populated civilian areas, often from or near facilities which should be protected according to the Geneva Convention (e.g. schools, hospitals, or mosques). Locating military or security-related infrastructures such as HQs, bases, armouries, access routes, lathes,3 or defensive positions within or in proximity to civilian areas. Protecting terrorists’ houses and military facilities, or rescuing terrorists who were besieged or warned by the IDF.4„ Combating the IDF from or in proximity to residential and commercial areas, including using civilians for intelligence gathering missions



Israel has given warning to Gaza citizens to evacuate and Hamas has told them to ignore the warning .

LIVE | Israel Urges Gaza Residents To Evacuate City; ‘Hamas Using Civilians As Human Shields…’ - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDAj0vNz7lc)

Hamas tells Gaza residents to stay put as Israel ground offensive looms | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-tells-gaza-residents-stay-home-israel-ground-offensive-looms-2023-10-13/)


It looks like you got the Arab-invading-nations part from the general "History of Palestine" page from Wikipedia
I never use Wiki as a primary source. The fact is that it was the Arab nation's invasion that created refugee issue

Arab publications were all but calling refugees traitors .

"The first of our fifth-column consists of those who abandon their houses and businesses and go to live elsewhere....At the first signs of trouble they take to their heels to escape sharing the burden of struggle."

The Jaffa newspaper 'Ash Shaab', (January 30, 1948).

Please don't believe everything the news/media says. "The Hamas use their people as 'human shields'" has been said over and over again, but its the peoples' own choice and the fact that the Zionist government wants to kill them as they try and leave that keeps them in place, not the Hamas. What's happening now is a buildup of all the grief, misery, pain, violence, destruction, and brutality the Zionist military has been doing to the Palestinians for several decades.

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Imagine, tomder55, that you and your family have been living on the same land for generations when, all of a sudden, some unfamiliar people knock on your door and tell you, "This is our home now. Get out." Of course, your natural response would most likely be something along the lines of "What, are you kidding? No! This is my house! I built/paid for it and have been living here for years!" They take this as noncompliance and one of three things happen:

1. They completely ignore/disregard your response/argument/proof of residence and bring in some random people you've never met or known, and they start living in your house with your family, eating your food, and using your resources as if it's all their own. Any attempt to stop this is met with brutal consequences.

2. You're awoken in the middle of the night to a loud, horrible noise as the walls around you shake and begin to collapse. If you manage to get out, you see either a bulldozer or bomb breaking apart/exploding your house, leaving it shambles. You now have nothing but the clothes on your back and the people around you who also managed to escape, and all you can do is either face the enemy or run. If you choose the latter, you will find yourself with little where to go, and will eventually face the enemy again.

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3. They beat or shoot you on the spot, leaving you dead or dying. (And this doesn't even just happen when asking people to leave their homes; they do this on the streets and at checkpoints with innocent civilians just trying to hand out leaflets or peacefully protest!)

Now, as Israel "asks" (I will explain why I put this word in quotation marks below) for Palestinian civilians (not citizens; they were never considered citizens) to evacuate, what do you think the real motive is? To prevent them from dying in the imminent battle? NO! It's so the land will be empty and they can take it all at ease as they please! They'll be killing them regardless of whether they stay or go!

As I've stated at the very beginning of this thread, Palestine is surrounded by "Israel;" they cannot escape by sea because of the blockade (assuming they even have large enough ships for that kind of evacuation to begin with), and the paths they need to cross by land have been bombed to oblivion and planted with mines. There's also a HUGE wall (that, by the way, cost ~$1.1 billion to construct; where do you think a large portion of that money came from?), that surrounds Gaza to begin with, and if any civilian is seen trying to climb or get through it by any means, they are killed. Do you honestly believe that all the money the U.S. and other countries around the world give "Israel" for weapons and their military is solely for the Hamas and "self defense?" NO! They're trying, and have documentation showing approved plans, to kill ALL Palestinians. ALL of them. The fact is that the Zionist government is the epitome of genocide, and everyone with the power to stop them is letting them get away with it.

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This is why Palestinians are choosing to stay; they are not being forced by the Hamas. They know they are in a bleak situation; they will die if they stay, or die if they try and leave. Imagining myself in the same situation and knowing my death is inevitable, I would stay too so I can at least die standing my ground for my home, family, and history rather than fleeing with my back to the enemy. They're not going to let 1948 repeat itself.

The fact is that it was the Arab nation's invasion that created refugee issue.

...No, as I've said and shown, it was the Zionist militias themselves who marched in and expelled or killed Palestinians in their villages. I will gladly cite more sources for this at the bottom of this post.

I have now spent multiple hours making these posts, finding and citing my sources and real pictorial and auditory documentation out there, and spreading the truth of Palestine. In reflection, it doesn't seem like anyone's minds were changed; maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not very hopeful. AskMeHelpDesk is a website where one is expected to ask questions and get answers, but in all the threads I've seen created recently, it's mainly just statement after statement with usually just the same 3-5 people participating, and I am not asking questions either at this point. I am honestly left just sad and tired now, and I need to focus on problems I do have some influence/control over. Good day.

References

Shay, H. (2019). Dear Palestine A Social History of the 1948 War. Stanford University Press. ISBN 978-1-5036-2766-6.

Warf, C. & Charles, G. (2020). Clinical Care for Homeless, Runaway and Refugee Youth: Intervention Approaches, Education and Research Directions. Springer International Publishing. ISBN 978-3-030-40675-2.

Gerber, H. (2008). Remembering and Imagining Palestine: Identity and Nationalism from the Crusades to the Present. Palgrave Macmillan UK. ISBN 978-0-230-58391-7.

Kristofer, J. P.-O., Johannes, D.S., Jacques, H. (2010). Retooling Peace Philosophy: A Critical Look at Israel's Separation Strategy. In Candice C. Carter, Ravindra Kumar (ed.). Peace Philosophy in Action. Palgrave Macmillan. p. 49. doi:10.1057/9780230112995. ISBN 978-0-230-11299-5.

Ghaleb, N. (2015). "The Nakba—Flight and Expulsion of the Palestinians in 1948". In Andreas Hoppe (ed.). Catastrophes Views from Natural and Human Sciences. Springer. p. 81.

Slater, J. (2020). Mythologies Without End: The US, Israel, and the Arab-Israeli Conflict, 1917-2020. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-045908-6.

"Why Nakba is the Palestinians' most sombre day, in 100 and 300 words". BBC News. 15 May 2018.

Ibish, H. (2018). "A 'Catastrophe' That Defines Palestinian Identity". The Atlantic.

Imagine, tomder55, that you and your family have been living on the same land for generations when, all of a sudden, some unfamiliar people knock on your door and tell you, "This is our home now. Get out."

Nice propaganda but please don't believe everything you hear on Al-Jazeera . The reality is that at the turn of the 19th century; around the time of the Balfour declaration ,the territory was the dregs of the Ottoman empire with few inhabitants. Except for a handful of educated elites living in towns ,the rest were nomadic Bedouins picking up farm jobs where available .

There were few Jews too. There was no territory ever recognized as Palestine. It was only Jews that ever recognized it as a homeland . They were in diaspora being persecuted for centuries.

Before WWI the return of Jews began

They purchased the land they lived on from the Turks .They brought with them agricultural know how ;and turned desert into oasis. Arabs began to migrate there as the jobs the Jews were creating became available .

After WWI the larger Jewish migration began. They continued to BUY land ;bring agriculture and industry and attracting more Arabs as a result.

North Gaza is what they show in the compliant press. It has the tall buildings. This is not true of all Gaza. South Gaza was once Israeli farms making a lot of money selling fruit and flowers to Europe. . Now it is rapidly returning to desert due to neglect . This is where Hamas operates it's terror training camps .

It is wide open and available for the evacuation that Israel called for so civilians could be spared.


In past engagements Israel would announce a specific building they would attack to give plenty of time for evacuation . That was a signal that Hamas used to make sure there were enough women and children in the building for a good photo-op.

This time they are saying every building in north Gaza is fair game .

Hamas (Hey useful idiots of the compliant press ,they are terrorists; NOT militants ) is preventing this evacuation at the point of a gun so they can have their civilian population as expendable fodder . A dead civilian makes for great propaganda video and photos as are being supplied above .

This is not stated explicitly but the civilians know that Hamas administers the strip by intimidation and coercion.

Be prepared ;the compliant press has the word "proportionality" ready on their keyboards . Proportionality as Hamas challenges Israel's right to exist .

Hey useful idiots of the compliant press ,they are terrorists; NOT militantsA truth that has been clearly demonstrated over the past week. The Israelis need to move into the Gaza strip and reassert control over it. No more trying to be "Mr. Nice Guy". It doesn't worth with these people.

What does Clueless Joe think he is going to accomplish in Israel today ? Israel is in a 2 and possibly 3 front war . They are preparing for major offensive in Gaza . And this clown decides it is a good idea to fly in so that now Israel has to arrange for his security also.

Maybe he thinks he had credibility to do shuttle diplomacy . No one there wants to meet with him

Jordan cancels Biden meetings with King Abdullah, Sissi, Abbas in Amman tomorrow | The Times of Israel (https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/jordan-cancels-biden-meetings-with-king-abdullah-sissi-abbas-in-amman-tomorrow/)

Senior Palestinian official says President Mahmoud Abbas canceled his planned meeting Wednesday with President Biden - ABC News (go.com) (https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/senior-palestinian-official-president-mahmoud-abbas-canceled-planned-104050190)

Maybe he thinks he can show empathy by comparing the attacks on homes by Hamas terrorists with almost losing his prized car in a fire.

Joe Biden Comparing Maui Fires to Almost Losing His Corvette Sparks Fury (newsweek.com) (https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-maui-fires-corvette-fury-1821486)

Or he can talk about how he dodged the bullet when his helicopter was "forced down" on "the superhighway of terror." (his pilot landed to wait out a snow storm)

Copter carrying Sens. Kerry, Biden, Hagel forced down by storm in Afghanistan – Daily News (https://www.dailynews.com/2008/02/22/copter-carrying-sens-kerry-biden-hagel-forced-down-by-storm-in-afghanistan/)

Has he heard that zoom meetings make travelling half way around the world unnecessary ?

This is all about him. You will hear during the campaign next year about what great leadership he showed flying into a war zone to demand that Israel restrain and show proportionality in their response from a 2 front invasion.

Maybe he thinks he can show empathy by comparing the attacks on homes by Hamas terrorists with almost losing his prized car in a fire.That's a great line.


This is all about him. You will hear during the campaign next year about what great leadership he showed flying into a war zone to demand that Israel restrain and show proportionality in their response from a 2 front invasion.I think that's about right. I have felt that this whole deal of Biden's trip had a certain political odor to it from the word go.

Bibi has to put the Gaza response on hold so he can baby sit Clueless . But I will give credit where credit is due. Considering that the lefties of his party own him on all his other agendas ;he appears to be genuinely behind Israel so far

The Biden Whitehouse has concluded that it is unlikely that Israel caused to destruction of the Gaza hospital yesterday with the resulting 500 deaths. There seems to be no end to how far these animals of Hamas will go in pursuit of their political goals and to destroy Israel.

and yet there are world wide protests over the hospital . I got my own theory . The Islamic jihadists planted explosives at the Hospital that detonated when their failed rocket "accidentally " misfired

As it turns out, the hospital bombing story was wrong in a few minor respects. It was actually not Israel who did the damage but, strange to say, it was Hamas. It was a rocket intended for Israel that landed far short. Also, the hospital was actually not hit. It landed in a parking lot adjacent to the building. And there were not 500 fatalities. It is likely closer to 100. But other than those few unimportant details, the story was basically correct.

No surprise here .

Russia says it is coordinating Middle East policy with China | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-says-it-is-coordinating-middle-east-policy-with-china-2023-10-19/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top)


The Army Reserve Base by me has been very active flying training missions with jet and copters the last few days.

Not to worry. Our C in C has it all under control. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

The Navy shot down drones and missiles shot from Yemen that were potentially headed to Israel.

US bases in both Iraq and Syria came under attack.

The US is now in a shooting war against Iran proxies in defense of Israel.

US troops overseas thwart multiple drone attacks in just days (militarytimes.com) (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2023/10/19/us-troops-overseas-thwart-multiple-drone-attacks-in-just-days/)

Troops hurt after three drones attack US bases in Iraq as tensions flare after Gaza hospital blast | AP News (https://apnews.com/article/iraq-militias-iran-us-base-attack-drone-hamas-israel-war-80f6739c3ab34662afba316285914e39)

U.S. Navy warship shoots down three missiles heading 'potentially towards Israel,' Pentagon says (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/drones-attack-us-troops-syria-tensions-flare-middle-east-gaza-hospital-rcna121277)

It's a commin. There is no preparing for what is about to hit. You can Either stay tuned in or Run For Cover. I suggest running for Cover. You will find Cover In Jesus only.

Cover in Jesus? Even Christians will die.

Even Christians will die. Unfortunately. But I would Consider that a good thing. I'm not sure I'd want to live through the Wrath that is coming (in fact it is already here). Those who Don't know Christ Jesus (Jews) will ultimately Run to him. But only when the SH*T hits the fan. At least that is what we have seen throughout all of History. It has to hit hard before they start to cry out.

No, the Jews won't ultimately run to Jesus.

Israel is being attacked from all directions and the demand is for them to restrain . If as is being predicted above that "wrath" is being unleashed then why place any restraints on Israel at all ?

Israel should blast a big hole in the Rafah crossing and then give the people of Gaza 3 days to get out before Gaza City is reduced to a sink hole. If Clueless Joe wants to give them food ,medicine etc. then he should deposit it in the Sinai desert . Then the UN, Qatar, Turkey, should cooperate in the extradition of the criminal Hamas leaders who cowardly hide away in those nations .

If the world does not want the conflagration, then they are demanding restraint from the wrong party.

All these calls for a ceasefire and Israeli restraint are a day late and a dollar short. Those Hamas criminals must be dealt with.

BTW BLM praising Hamas is all you need to know about them .

They say they want the region "decolonized " .

That is a vanilla word for expulsion and extermination

Movement for Black Lives Calls for an Immediate End to the U.S.-Backed Occupation of Palestine - M4BL (https://m4bl.org/statements/movement-for-black-lives-statement-on-us-backed-occupation-of-palestine/)

The Navy is forced to shoot down missiles that were once sanctioned before Clueless Joe lifted them.

BTW BLM praising HamasDoes anybody follow BLM anymore? I thought they were proven to be a scam.

Crazy how Israel gets attacked and everybody cries - Kill, Kill, KILL ISRAEL!
Just think, It would have been a different story if Ukraine hadn't been attacked...meaning Israel would not be backed by America. Do you think the current administration wants to back Israel? Not at all. This will most likely have a negative effect on them in the next election.

It would have been a different story if Ukraine hadn't been attacked...meaning Israel would not be backed by America. Why do you think that is the case?

13 attacks on US troops in the ummah this week has caused at least a dozen injuries. All the attacks have come from Iran proxies.

You would think that it's just a matter of time before we have fatalities or lose some aircraft.

UN Sec GeneralAntónio Guterres basically said in a Security Council meeting that Israel had it coming.


It is important to also recognize the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum.
The Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation.


Secretary-General's remarks to the Security Council - on the Middle East | United Nations Secretary-General (https://www.un.org/sg/en/content/sg/speeches/2023-10-24/secretary-generals-remarks-the-security-council-the-middle-east%C2%A0)

Israel's Ambassador to the UN has called for his resignation.

suffocating occupation.A really ignorant comment considering that Gaza has not been occupied by the Israelis since 93 and the Oslo Accords.

Clueless Joe Blah;Blah;Blah;Blah;Blah;Blah;Blah;Blah Two state solution Blah;Blah;Blah;Blah............................... .................

Biden: Israel-Hamas war must end with vision for a 'two-state solution' (cnbc.com) (https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/25/biden-israel-hamas-war-must-end-with-vision-for-a-two-state-solution.html)

The Gaza strip was a two-state solution in miniature. Mr. Biden, how did that work out?

Since 1967 we've heard that peace will come when there is are 2 states . Then they can live in peace. This is an invented trope that was never part of any settlement between nations or the UN . It is sorta like the elusive search for the Holy Grail. It was never part of any UN Resolution . Between 1948 and 1967 the Arab nations controlled all the land in question in Judea and Samaria Gaza was Egyptian . You see how anxious they are to get it back . They won't open the gate into Sinai to allow Palestians to enter (another case where a wall works )

No Palestinian state was created . Why . Because in truth they don't give a rat's a$$ about the people of Palestine and they don't want the problem of Palestinians in their land


Black September - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September)


It can't happen when one of those state's primary doctrine is the eradication of the other state and the extermination of it's people .

When there is a Palestinian state it will only mean that more and more sophisticated weapons will legally be exported to the Palestinians. `

Which would suit Iran just fine. In fact the whole conflict needs to be looked at in that context. 1967 Iraq joined the Arab nations that attacked Israel. They entered into the conflict through Jordan. Today Iraq is controlled by Iran courtesy of the emperor's desire to make Iran a regional hegemon. Iran funnels weapons to the Palestinas . Iran provides more sophisticated weapons to Hezbollah which controls the STATE of Lebanon . Iran proxies attack Israel through Syrian ,Lebanon ,and the Palestinian territories . Weapons to a Palestinian state would no longer need to be smuggled. The Palestinian State and Iran could have a recognized defense treaty .

There is a REAL Resolution 242 recognizes Israel's rights to defensible borders . How could that happen if the charter of a Palestinian State calls for the extermination of Israel ?

They are fighting over land that no one wanted until the Jews came in, put their backs and minds to work, and developed the area into what it presently is. As long as the Arabs controlled it, it was a wilderness.

and in Gaza they are turning the fertile lands that Israel cultivated in South Gaza back to desert .

All of this is interesting. Will it still be interesting when it hits our front door?
I think we'd better run for cover now before it's too late.

It's a distraction.

nah pages of debate about infant baptism on this board is a distraction This is "Current Events ".

It's a distraction.
This is "Current Events Not in his (our) Kingdom.
What you're dealing with, here, is old News...We know how this story ends.

(I was surprised to find out American troops have landed in Isreal...actual Boots on the Ground)

Tom, just as you predicted.


US warplanes carried out airstrikes on Iranian proxy forces moments ago inside Syria: US
F-16s and F-15s were used to strike targets in Syria earlier tonight in retaliation for the attacks on US troops in the region.

Yes it took the repeated attacks on American troops for Clueless to act.
US troops attacked in Iraq, Syria and on alert for more strikes | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/us-troops-attacked-iraq-syria-alert-more-strikes-2023-10-19/)

He still has it wrong . These attacks are directed by Iran . Targeting Iran assets in Iran should be the appropriate response. ie Take out the ports where Iran's Persian Gulf fleet operate from .


I am hearing reports that I have yet to verify that the US helped bust an Israeli spy cell in Lebanon; and that contributed to a lack of intel about the Hamas attack. The cell in question was headed by Israeli Russian nationals.


What you're dealing with, here, is old News...We know how this story ends.

Yes I've heard end times predictions many times yawn

From a Current Events angle I guess the reactions are old news . First we pledge complete support for Israel . Then ;we council restraint by Israel . Then we give material assistance (humanitarian it is called ) to the terrorists. Wash rinse repeat .


Behind Biden's shift on Israel-Hamas war: Gaza deaths, international pressure | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/behind-bidens-shift-israel-hamas-war-gaza-deaths-international-pressure-2023-10-27/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=Daily-Briefing&utm_term=102723&user_email=3c836956fbef5ae572d6a01a09dfe9727855e3d c2d8cc3d02ca8b5d1d69897f2)


And of course the American 5th column aka the left sides with the terrorists .

Imagine if after 9-11 ;students demonstrated for al Qaeda like they did this week for Hamas.

Thirty-one Harvard organizations blame Israel for Hamas attack (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2023/10/09/thirty-one-harvard-organizations-blame-israel-for-hamas-attack/)

GWU students project messages in support of Hamas (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2023/10/25/news/gwu-students-project-messages-in-support-of-hamas/)

New York University students demonstrate in support of Palestine - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDFoKkIzUDY)

University of Chicago students show support for Palestinians, Israel as tensions surge on campus - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJpTZA-RBJg)

The Communist revolution in Russia was preceded by the universities becoming indoctrination camps for radical ideas. The same thing seems to be happening here.

Walt I have seen no reports of US troops on the ground although it would not surprise me. If there is a hostage rescue attempted I and sure US troops will be involved . Also it is not uncommon for US troops to be on the ground when American equipment is introduced into a conflict .I have no doubt that Americans are in Ukraine supporting the Patriot battery (if it hasn't already been taken out by the Russians ) .
Also American special forces are covertly deployed all over the world's hot spots.

A friend showed me, by Vidio (while in Israel) American troops exiting aircraft. Apparently, there were three planeloads of American ground forces. He's still in Israel. He used to be a journalist. He is now doing interviews with other news agencies.

3 whole plane loads . Like I said ;US weapons like Patriot and Terminal High Altitude Area Defense( THAAD ) systems would require US trainers

U.S. sending additional air defense systems to Middle East, Pentagon says | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-sending-additional-air-defense-systems-middle-east-pentagon-2023-10-22/)

Clueless Joe has pivoted from unconditional support for Israel to the plight of the Palestinian in Gaza. He is listening to his left flank again.

This is about an accurate and succinct a description of the ME problem as I have seen in a while.






The Middle East conflict is framed as one of the most complex problems in the world. But, in reality, it's very simple. Israelis want to live in peace and are willing to accept a neighboring Palestinian state. And most Palestinians do not want Israel to exist.

If anyone doubts that Jews need their own nation then they are not watching the world wide pogrom underway even here in the US

Jewish Students Sheltered Inside College Library During Protest - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eFbKViNrMo)

Hundreds storm airport in Russia’s Dagestan in antisemitic riot over arrival of plane from Israel | AP News (https://apnews.com/video/russia-israel-anti-semitism-riots-tel-aviv-89b156caec8d459cb63b7b8f56a7e672)

Antisemitism reaching ‘historic levels’ in US, FBI Director Wray warns: ‘A time for vigilance’ (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/antisemitism-reaching-historic-levels-in-us-fbi-director-wray-warns-a-time-for-vigilance/ar-AA1jaYA6)

Stars of David Painted on Parisian Homes, Businesses as Open Antisemitism Explodes in Europe | The New York Sun (nysun.com) (https://www.nysun.com/article/stars-of-david-painted-on-parisian-homes-businesses-as-open-antisemitism-explodes-in-europe)

Why are Jews despised?

Oh the Protestants hate the Catholics,
and the Catholics hate the Protestants,
and the Hindus hate the Moslems
and everybody hates the Jews.
(Tom Lehrer 'National Brotherhood Week')

Pick your reason
They are the money changers
They arrogantly claim to be the chosen people of God
They killed Jesus
They are different than us
They are inferior
They cause all our problems .

I think that sums up most of the historical reasons

The truth is that in most of the world the Jews are impoverished .
The truth is that if people did not have Jews as scape goats they would have to look inward .The truth is that it was Rome that was threatened by Jesus . The truth is that the vast majority of Jews assimilated and are very secular and in many cases socialist progressives .

The truth is that Jew hatred is riddled in contradiction as Loyd George pointed out

If the Jews are rich [these fanatics] are victims of theft. If they are poor, they are victims of ridicule. If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to take advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood. If they espouse peace, it is because they are scared by their natures or traitors. If the Jew dwells in a foreign land he is persecuted and expelled. If he wishes to return to his own land, he is prevented from doing so.”

It did not start with Hitler . The persecution of Jews can be traced more than 200 years before Christ . There were expulsions ;forced conversions ;synagogue burnings .temple destruction , and genocide long before the 1940s (see Purim) .

There are of course other persecutions throughout history . But those are regional . Nothing else compares to the historical hatred of the Jews .

Today the new rhetoric of antisemitism is couched in the word "colonialism ". It is rubbish of course . Depending on how far you go back in history ,just about every group of people migrated to what they now call home.

The truth is that Jews can demonstrate historically ,by archeological evidence; by cultural anthology a solid claim for the land that is now Israel AND Palestine .... More so than the people who call themselves Palestinian. The Jews are the indigenous people of the area .

They returned to Israel out of necessity ,from the diaspora, because they have largely been rejected by the people of the lands they migrated to.

And that is true in the US also where a Harvard Harris poll showed 51% of Gen Zers thought the slaughter by Hamas on Oct 7 was justified . The truth is that the progressive left are the new Nazis in America.

And that is true in the US also where a Harvard Harris poll showed 51% of Gen Zers thought the slaughter by Hamas on Oct 7 was justified . The truth is that the progressive left are the new Nazis in America.The colleges are doing what they perceive as being their job. They are producing what might very well be the most non-thinking generation in American history.

The persecution of the Jews is, in my view, a reflection of mankind's rebellion against God. It goes hand in hand with the ridiculous criticism in much of the media of the new House Speaker saying he had a Bible-based world view. It explains much of the mindless preoccupation with the gender "revolution". God says there are two genders, so we'll decide there are many.

God says there are two genders, so we'll decide there are many.
After creating those two genders, God announced the universe, including biology and chromosomes, would have free will. Thus, people grow to different heights, have varieties of skills, there are four seasons, and transgenderism exists.

Now, please return to the discussion about Israel.

God announced the universe, including biology and chromosomes, would have free will.Where did God make that "announcement"?

Neither the universe nor chromosomes have any "will" at all, free or otherwise. They make no decisions whatsoever.


people grow to different heights, have varieties of skills, there are four seasons, and transgenderism exists.Three out of four...not too bad!! Might add that if TG is a "free will" issue, then all the TG folks can simply exercise their free will to behave in accordance with their chromosomal makeup, so it certainly appears that you just torpedoed your own argument.

Mother Nature has free will. Chromosomes belong to her.

And sin entered the world. Screwed up chromosomes cause gender dysphoria.

So you don't know where this "announcement " was made. I think you just make it up as you go along.

Nature has no free will and makes no decisions other than higher animals. But any appeal to free will is doomed to fail for you since I will simply suggest that the TG folks use their free wills to live in accordance with their genetic gender.

Now if you want to appeal to sin to explain gender dysphoria, then go ahead, but that does your cause no good at all.

Have you ever read the first chapters of Genesis? Because of what happened then, plants, animals, birds, insects, humans all experience transgenderism.

I've read Genesis many, many times. There is nothing there to support your made-up idea of any "announcement" or any other part of your TG ideas. It's just your own unsupported theory. You have presented nothing to support your completely unscientific idea of TG in plants, animals, birds, and insects. As to humans, you just established above that it's the consequence of sin. Why would we advocate for that which is the fruit of sin? Should you go ahead and celebrate rape, murder, child abuse, and burglary while you're at it?

Goggle transgender in plants, animals, birds, insects, humans. Get eddacated.

You don't understand the workings of free will apparently. Being a human in the LGBTQ+ community has nothing to do with sin or their own free will. It's the chromosomes that have free will. The LGBTQ+ humans are very likely in your own relationships, but don't dare reveal it because you are so unaccepting.

Back to Israel!

You don't understand the workings of free will apparently. Being a human in the LGBTQ+ community has nothing to do with sin or their own free will. It's the chromosomes that have free will. The LGBTQ+ humans are very likely in your own relationships, but don't dare reveal it because you are so unaccepting.Just going off of what you said. "And sin entered the world. Screwed up chromosomes cause gender dysphoria." So now you're arguing with yourself. Even worse (for your "case"), there is no evidence of a genetic component affecting the dysphoria situation. You are back to, "Thus sayeth WG."

Almost forgot. Here, you listed TG as an example of free will. "God announced the universe, including biology and chromosomes, would have free will. Thus, people grow to different heights, have varieties of skills, there are four seasons, and transgenderism exists." You are your own worst enemy!! It's getting to where I don't have to do anything to counter your arguments other than just quote you.

And still waiting to hear where this "announcement" happened. I suspect it was only in your mind.


Goggle transgender in plants, animals, birds, insects, humans. Get eddacated.All you have is, "Thus sayeth WG." That is far removed from being sufficient. I don't accept your propaganda.

Now, please return to the discussion about Israel.



The persecution of the Jews is, in my view, a reflection of mankind's rebellion against God.

And yet the majority of Jew hatred comes from people who believe they are very religious. In fact ,throughout history it has been the "religious" who have done most of the persecution.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9tdZceXcAARyzJ?format=jpg&name=360x360

And yesterday ,Kam the Sham announced Clueless Joe's latest mindless project for her. No it is not how to end antisemitism in the nation , It is how to counter so called "Islamophobia " .

First National Strategy to Counter Islamophobia launched (dcnewsnow.com) (https://www.dcnewsnow.com/news/politics/white-house-announces-first-us-national-strategy-to-counter-islamophobia/)

And just like clock work . Clueless Joe and Kam the Sham announced a new strategy . It is not to end antisemitism in the nation in the wake of Jews being forced to barricade themselves in libraries for protection or arm themselves .

Cooper Union barricades Jewish students inside library (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2023/10/25/news/cooper-union-barricades-jewish-students-inside-library/)

‘Not safe anywhere now’: American Jews are flocking to gun training classes (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/not-safe-anywhere-now-american-jews-are-flocking-gun-training-classes-rcna120602)

No they announced a plan to end Islamophobia.

First National Strategy to Counter Islamophobia launched (dcnewsnow.com) (https://www.dcnewsnow.com/news/politics/white-house-announces-first-us-national-strategy-to-counter-islamophobia/)

BTW ;all that humanitarian aid going to Gaza ? Hamas is stealing the fuel being sent to keep the hospitals running .

Save IDF Releases Intercepted Call That Exposes Hamas Terrorists Stealing Fuel From Gazan Civilians, Hospitals - I24NEWS (https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1698863515-idf-releases-intercepted-call-that-exposes-hamas-terrorists-stealing-fuel-from-gazan-civilians-hospitals)

None of which should be surprising. The dems will fall all over themselves to find some way to oppose Israel and support the terrorist states.


In fact ,throughout history it has been the "religious" who have done most of the persecution.Two observations.

1. Throughout history, at least prior to the 20th century, the great majority of civilizations that have existed have been religious in one way or another. Rome, for instance, who was responsible for the destruction of the nation of Israel, was very religious. So quite naturally when persecution was being done, it would have been done by those religious populations.
2. The great persecution of the Jews during the 20th century was largely committed by two states with atheist leadership, Nazi Germany and the Soviets.

A must read of the 1st pogrom of the 21st century. To Jews the attack by Hamas was nothing new. It is their history.


The War Against the Jews - Tablet Magazine (https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/war-against-the-jews)

Jew haters can celebrate Hamas savagery when they commit it against Israel . But how will they deal with Hamas murders of Palestinians ? Hamas wants the people of Gaza to stay put so the Hamas cowards can use the people as human shields .
Any Palestinian who tries to escape could be butchered by Hamas .


������������ISRAEL ���� WAR����URGENT����UPDATES on X: "This is a Massacre by HAMAS of Palestinians moving South for safety Even the Times of Gaza says it "appears HAMAS police did this" @moutet @CST_UK https://t.co/B6XMEnRYXL" / X (twitter.com) (https://twitter.com/JerusalemDiary/status/1720498374535680075?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1720499331285782581%7Ctwgr% 5E4a87df22db0d39d3734ae6c0267376ba76368f89%7Ctwcon %5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.americanthinker.com%2Fbl og%2F2023%2F11%2Fbarbarism_hamas_guns_down_its_own _people_fleeing_to_safety_in_south_gaza.html)


Video reportedly shows Gaza residents gunned down in streets by Hamas (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2023/11/03/news/video-reportedly-shows-gaza-residents-gunned-down-in-streets-by-hamas/)

So how did they react ? They went with their gut instinct . They blamed Israel.They said that it was an Israeli air strike . Missing is the crater that a bomb would've created .




Israel did bomb an ambulance. Upon further review it was determined that the ambulance was filled with Hamas terrorists being transported under cover .

Israeli Airstrike Hit Ambulance Carrying Hamas Militants, Country’s Military Says (wsj.com) (https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-gaza-strip-2023-11-02/card/israeli-airstrike-hit-ambulance-carrying-hamas-militants-country-s-military-says-4mM91PvBtWzZ5FHtocFT)

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get your Hezbollah pager now

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GX2Bz5_awAEjj6B?format=jpg&name=small

duplicate

lol Iran has banned members of the IRGC from using 'communication devices' in the aftermath of exploding pagers in the pockets of Hezbollah terrorists .

Exclusive: Iran's Guards ban communications devices after strike on Hezbollah | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/irans-guards-ban-communications-devices-after-strike-hezbollah-security-2024-09-23/)

coming up on the 1 year anniversary of the Oct 7 massacre .

https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/461348269_1495024447849227_7953774201622853297_n.j pg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=eBQJkeQrImAQ7kNvgEWsH6V&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=00_AYC4c2c2r7xU7R8lluXdNaP4g-u8X7FrG5PytcT-mpbtnQ&oe=66FFA062

Joe returned from the beach yesterday and was askes to comment about Israeli rocket strikes on the Houthis in Yemen. This was his response.

"I've spoken to both sides. They gotta settle the strike. I'm supporting the collective bargaining effort. I think they'll settle the strike."

Please, please tell me you're joking.

Would C Span lie ?

User Clip: Biden: I support Yemeni collective bargaining | C-SPAN.org (https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5134746/user-clip-biden-support-yemeni-collective-bargaining)

He obviously has the looming east coast dock strike on his mind. That combined with the administration's non-response to the hurricane devastation should be the nail in the coffin.
Trump did more yesterday as a private citizen for relief than Kam the Sham did with a couple minute photo op phone call with FEMA.

Trump launches GoFundMe for Helene victims | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/trump-launches-gofundme-help-hurricane-helene-victims-raises-more-1m)

A hurricane, an intensifying war and a looming strike present a battery of new crises for Harris (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/hurricane-intensifying-war-looming-strike-present-battery-new-crises-h-rcna173235)

Trump was on the ground in Georgia with Samaritan's Purse yesterday distributing aide.
Samaritan’s Purse Is Responding to Hurricane Helene (samaritanspurse.org) (https://www.samaritanspurse.org/article/pray-for-those-in-helenes-path/)

As usual private efforts are already working while the Feds are still talking about how they will help.
Locally we are collecting goods and delivering them to Greenville Airport so a volunteer helicopter pilot can fly the goods into NC . The roads in are still impassable and will be for a long time . Some towns lost their water plants so sending fresh water is an immediate need. Maybe the Feds provide a more permanent solution down the road . But the needs are now.

"Do you have any words to the victims of the hurricane?"BIDEN: "We've given everything that we have.""Are there any more resources the federal government could be giving them?"BIDEN: "No."
Nick Sortor on X: "�� Biden just said there will be NO ADDITIONAL RESOURCES given to the areas pummeled by Hurricane Helene WTF? There’s practically ZERO federal support to begin with! WHAT IS GOING ON? https://t.co/gcKHPuzLs5" / X (https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1840584521051168991?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1840584521051168991%7Ctwgr% 5Ed307c1a15d7206d05bf7e59b06f3273771ec9a5f%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailydot.com%2Fdebug%2Fb iden-hurricane-helene-aid%2F)


What is not needed is a dock strike .

East and Gulf coast ports shut down as thousands of workers go on strike (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/east-gulf-coast-ports-longshoremen-strike-rcna173319)

RNC Research on X: "CNBC: What are you hearing will happen if dockworkers strike and it goes longer than a week? Harris-Biden Commerce Sec. Gina Raimondo: "I have not been very focused on that." �� https://t.co/Q6rpqsoiO8" / X (https://x.com/RNCResearch/status/1840745338589638945)

Hey Kam !! You think there is price gouging now ;wait until you see prices skyrocket with shortages of many items that get delivered to east coast and Gulf coast ports !!!!

Already there are severe shortages of goods here in the hurricane zone. Forget about fresh food. Many stations have not taken delivery of gas ;and gas went fast with people filling cans for generators . Regular traffic is disrupted with street lights still out and trees still blocking roads .

My electricity came back after 2 days . But I am just south of the major areas hit . I am staying off the roads . No sense in getting in the way of linemen and other emergency services.

Hello Joe !!!! . The Taft Hartley Act of 1947 gives you the power to order strikers in strategic industries back to work for 80 days to continue their negotiations . Now is the time to act like a President instead of a beach comber . Bush did it in 2002 for the same issue ;a port strike .

PRESIDENT INVOKES TAFT-HARTLEY ACT TO OPEN 29 PORTS - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/09/us/president-invokes-taft-hartley-act-to-open-29-ports.html)

The worldwide pogrom against Jews continues. I have concentrated on antisemitism in the US ;especially by the pseudo-intelligentsia on campus and their alliance with the Democrats .
What is happening in Amsterdam ;a city that had 75% of it's Jewish population exterminated in the Holocaust ,is the logical outcome of their prejudices .

Kristallnacht happened November 9-10 1938 .This year was the 86th anniversary. A soccer match between the Dutch club Ajax and the visiting Maccabi Tel Aviv was meant in part to commemorate the horrible event in Amsterdam Instead it demonstrated that we have not moved much from the hateful mindset ,

Israeli fans were beaten in the streets . One fan was hit by a car. Footage shows some of the victims pleading with their assailants saying "I am not Jewish".
dan linnaeus on X: "A Jewish man beaten on the streets of Amsterdam and a young father narrowly escaping with his son earlier this evening. https://t.co/8ttipjrMW0" / X (https://x.com/DanLinnaeus/status/1854724333542822123)

AP on X: "⚠️An Israeli thrown to the river and is forced to say: "Free Palestine". Are we back in 1939? https://t.co/8G5PpMk3fG" / X (https://x.com/AP_from_NY/status/1854760220255228279)


Before local authorities were able to restore order the Israelis planned a rescue mission for the team and fans. They called it off after order was restored.

This was not your typical European soccer hooligan antics. The attacks came from Muslim immigrants . They now make up 5% of the total Dutch population .

The Dutch have lived with the consequences for year. They have seen populist leader Pim Fortuyn assassinated . Filmmaker Theo van Gogh, was murdered in broad daylight. Geert Wilders lives under permanent police protection.

But the hate has infiltrated the nation with the immigration. Dutch students are Holocaust deniers. Dutch police are uncomfortable guarding synagogues .
Dutch police refuse to guard Jews, claim moral objections - The Jerusalem Post (https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-823171)

Hamas has been slow walking the release of the hostages ;and the ones who were released were tortured and starved . The look almost they came out of Dachau .


A doctor in charge of overseeing the treatment of two of the freed Israeli hostages later said they were in poor condition (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/08/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-hostages-prisoners.html?searchResultPosition=2). The third was in a “severe nutritional state,” according to an official (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZYF34gn3ZE) at the hospital where he was being treated.

Israeli Hostages’ Accounts of Abuse Raise Alarms for Remaining Captives - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/10/world/middleeast/israel-hostages-abuse-hamas.html)

Trump has had enough and gave Hamas until Saturday to release the rest or he wants the cease fire deal off .

Trump issues ultimatum to Hamas on hostage release, threatening fragile ceasefire - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-hamas-hostage-ultimatum/)

Now that hostages are being released we are learning the true horror of their captivity.

Baby Kfir Bibas was taken violently from his home, together with his mother Shiri and his four year-old brother, Ariel. They were held in Gaza and eventually murdered..... strangled by bare hands .
Israel says forensics show Bibas children killed by captors (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjry3jzedl1o)

There is ample evidence of the murder ;mutilation and rapes victims endured by their captors .


Several people involved in collecting and identifying the bodies of those killed in the attack told us they had seen multiple signs of sexual assault, including broken pelvises, bruises, cuts and tears, and that the victims ranged from children and teenagers to pensioners.
Israel Gaza: Hamas raped and mutilated women on 7 October, BBC hears (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181)

But this is Hamas' doing . The people of Gaza are themselves victims Right ? That narrative is fiction.

Think again. Liri Albag is an IDF soldier who was captured . She was handed off to a family who enslaved her. She had to cook for them while not being permitted to eat. She began to get faint . She was ridiculed . For more than a month she was not allowed to shower.
Citing rescued hostage, captive soldier's mom says women were held as slaves | The Times of Israel (https://www.timesofisrael.com/citing-rescued-hostage-captive-soldiers-mom-says-women-were-held-as-slaves/)

Was there one Schindler in the population that took the risk of sheltering any of the hostages from harm ? Apparently not.

So when we consider charity and aide for the people of Gaza ,that should be a consideration . None of that will change their hatred .

Great post. Most of those people seem to live on the level of animals.

Brit historian philosopher Douglas Murray has a book coming out this year called 'On Democracy and Death Cults: Israel and the Future of Civilization.'

In it he argues thatevil does exist AND it is the only explanation for why certain people do certain things.

He describes in much more detail what he witnessed as a reporter in Israel during the assault .


when I say the level of depravity, it's partly the fact that the, not just the atrocities they committed. the kibbutz, the villages, the communities on the Gaza border and at the Nova party where hundreds of young people were murdered. there's [00:02:00] something about, I've seen all the atrocity videos, not just the 47 minute videos.
I saw. Pretty soon after. But a lot of people have shared with me other things that are unpublishable and unbroadcastable. And I've heard a lot of testimony from survivors and others. And I think that apart from the sheer physical violence of barbarism, the rapes, the shooting women in the genitals of the party, the beheadings, the, cutting off people's heads with them.
Cleaver and so on. I think, aside from that, the thing that strikes me, struck me, is that they were proud of what they were doing. Now that is something that, that an awful lot of people have done an awful lot of evil things. I've very rarely seen one so proud of their evil as they're carrying it out.


A Dangerous Moment, With Douglas Murray | Hoover Institution A Dangerous Moment, With Douglas Murray (https://www.hoover.org/research/dangerous-moment-douglas-murray)

His previous books gave Casandra warning to the western civilization about the dir direction it is heading. JD Vance was supposedly influenced by his book 'The Strange Death of Europe' when he read the riot act the Europe last week .

If this is true even I am speechless

Victims of Hamas attacks are suing . They claim that US protesters KNEW IN ADVANCE that the attacks were coming .

Families of hostages held by Hamas believe that anti-Israel groups like Students for Justice in Palestine had “prior knowledge” of the Oct. 7, 2023, terror attacks — after the controversial activists proclaimed “we are back” in an Instagram post just hours before the deadly assault, according to a new lawsuit.


Families of Hamas hostages claim anti-Israel protest groups like Columbia's Students for Justice in Palestine had 'prior knowledge' of Oct. 7 attack in bombshell suit (https://nypost.com/2025/03/25/us-news/families-of-hamas-hostages-claim-anti-israel-protest-groups-like-columbias-students-for-justice-in-palestine-had-prior-knowledge-of-oct-7-attack-in-bombshell-suit/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter)


“On information and belief, Associational Defendants had prior knowledge of the October 7 attack. "