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jlisenbe
Sep 1, 2023, 04:31 AM
Joseph Kennedy was terminated from his high school football (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/education/high-school) coaching position after he continued to conduct post-game prayers with students.
Kennedy is now set to receive $1.7 million after the Bremerton School Board in Washington state accepted a settlement. He will also get his job back starting this upcoming season.
The school board's decision follows the Supreme Court’s (https://www.foxnews.com/category/politics/judiciary/supreme-court) ruling in June that Kennedy’s prayer groups were protected by the First Amendment.
The prayers referred to were taking place AFTER games were concluded. The coach would kneel on the field and any players who wanted to would pray with him. That the school district thought they could fire him for this was outrageous. Thank goodness the Constitution came riding to the rescue.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/high-school-football-coach-reinstated-winning-1-7-million-settlement

tomder55
Sep 1, 2023, 04:45 AM
The whole stadium should join him in prayer . The new season starts tonight .

tomder55
Sep 2, 2023, 03:49 AM
https://www.kitsapsun.com/gcdn/authoring/authoring-images/2023/09/02/PBKS/70748243007-praying-football-coach-joe-kennedy.JPG?width=660&height=443&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp

jlisenbe
Sep 2, 2023, 05:21 AM
What a great pic. It does show that we better stand firm in our convictions.

Wondergirl
Sep 2, 2023, 09:39 AM
The pastors and other religious leaders I have known would say this should be done privately, maybe in the locker room. Otherwise, it's show-off time.

jlisenbe
Sep 2, 2023, 09:55 AM
Jesus did most of his ministry publicly, so was he in "show-off time"?

Wondergirl
Sep 2, 2023, 10:12 AM
Did that player do like Jesus did and invite the multitude to pray with him?

jlisenbe
Sep 2, 2023, 10:17 AM
He is not a player, he is a coach. And yes, he did make it known that others could pray with him and many, as I understand it, did. Not sure why there is no one present in the pic above.

Would love to get an answer this. "Jesus did most of his ministry publicly, so was he in "show-off time"?

https://nypost.com/2022/07/15/coach-joe-kennedys-supreme-court-win-i-fought-for-right-to-pray/

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Wondergirl
Sep 2, 2023, 10:34 AM
Would love to get an answer this. "Jesus did most of his ministry publicly, so was he in "show-off time"?

And I answered.

jlisenbe
Sep 2, 2023, 10:38 AM
I asked, "Jesus did most of his ministry publicly, so was he in "show-off time"?

Your "answer" was, "Did that player do like Jesus did and invite the multitude to pray with him?"

Perhaps you need to do some work on understanding the meaning of "answer"?

Wondergirl
Sep 2, 2023, 11:16 AM
And you figuring out what a superfluous question is.

Answer: No! No show-off was going on. Jesus invited the multitude to pray with Him.

tomder55
Sep 2, 2023, 11:58 AM
I could care less if he prayed by himself or if the whole stadium participated . What is important is that he courageously fought for his basic 1st amendment liberties for almost a decade and prevailed . BRAVO !!!!!

jlisenbe
Sep 2, 2023, 12:02 PM
Tom, great answer. If we don’t stand for those rights we will lose them.

WG. Classic double standard.

Wondergirl
Sep 2, 2023, 12:29 PM
JL, you have no clue. Read your Bible.

jlisenbe
Sep 2, 2023, 12:42 PM
Double…standard. It shows why you hate to answer questions. It’s the ole backfire.

Wondergirl
Sep 2, 2023, 01:50 PM
Double…standard. It shows why you hate to answer questions. It’s the ole backfire.
I did answer.

"Answer: No! No show-off was going on. Jesus invited the multitude to pray with Him."

jlisenbe
Sep 2, 2023, 03:16 PM
You answered after I pressed, and then your answer was wrong. Jesus prayed many times in public without inviting participation, so your observation makes no sense. Like I said, it backfired.

Wondergirl
Sep 2, 2023, 03:21 PM
Were you there?

He had invited enough times, so participation was a given.

jlisenbe
Sep 2, 2023, 03:52 PM
Oh? When did he invite participation? Honest question. And please don’t suggest I go look it up. You claim he did it "enough times", so you surely must be able to identify several times where he did. Please be specific, because I'm pretty sure I can point out a number of times where he did NOT invite participation, and thus would have been, in your view, showing off.

tomder55
Sep 2, 2023, 04:31 PM
The answer is no ;he NEVER invited participation or pressured anyone to join . That being said he never refused to pray with someone .


21-418 Kennedy v. Bremerton School Dist. (06/27/2022) (supremecourt.gov) (https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21-418_i425.pdf)



Students, Gorsuch wrote, were not required to participate in Kennedy’s prayer sessions, and the prayers were not publicly broadcast. He wrote that Kennedy’s prayer, on the 50-yard line immediately after games ended, occurred “while his students were otherwise occupied.”



Supreme Court sides with Bremerton coach who prayed on 50-yard line | The Seattle Times (https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/supreme-court-sides-with-bremertons-praying-coach/)

jlisenbe
Sep 2, 2023, 05:02 PM
The answer is no ;he NEVER invited participation or pressured anyone to join . That being said he never refused to pray with someone .WG was speaking of Christ, not the coach. Still, you have a good point. According to the article I posted, it was never an issue until a parent from the other team mentioned to the principal what a great thing she thought it was. The prin decided that would never do and made an issue of it. It is a great victory for religious liberties.

tomder55
Sep 2, 2023, 05:15 PM
Umm Even when Jesus had his greatest doubts he did not ask others to pray with him

Matt 26 36-40

Then Jesus went with them to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to his disciples, “Sit here while I go over there and pray.” He took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee and began to be grieved and agitated. Then he said to them, “My soul is deeply grieved, even to death; remain here, and stay awake with me.” And going a little farther, he threw himself on the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from me, yet not what I want but what you want.” Then he came to the disciples and found them sleeping, and he said to Peter, “So, could you not stay awake with me one hour?

jlisenbe
Sep 2, 2023, 05:25 PM
Yet another good point.