View Full Version : Georgia on my mind
tomder55
Aug 15, 2023, 03:12 AM
If it's Tuesday ,it must be indictment day. Trump is going to need a letterman sweater for all his impeachments and indictments .
Here is the 41 count mini-novel of charges against Trump and his alleged 18 co-conspirators (aka "The Enterprise" ) by Georgia . They fell 3 pages short of making it a 100 pager
23SC188947-CRIMINAL-INDICTMENT-1.pdf (thehill.com) (https://thehill.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/08/23SC188947-CRIMINAL-INDICTMENT-1.pdf)
I need to do some research ;but this may be the first time in history that an American is being criminally charged for filing lawsuits .
This is another free speech indictment . If criminally charging politicians for making false statements (while not under oath) can happen then we need many more jails . Adam Schiffhead would need 20 consecutive life sentences .
What Trump did in Georgia in 2020 was basically the same thing that Gore did in 2000 ;try to reverse a state's results in court . Gore's team went to court to challenge the count's of various Florida voting districts . 'We need more votes ;please find them'
Georgia is turning it into a RICO violation. Was it criminalizing politics? Of Course !!! They did not even try to hide it. They announced the indictment before the Grand Jury voted .
As with all the other cases ,the goal is to get convictions . They don't care about them being reversed in SCOTUS . They want to run against convicted Trump.
tomder55
Aug 15, 2023, 04:55 AM
Axios has a timeline of Key election events and Trump's trials
Trump's courtroom calendar clashes with 2024 presidential election (axios.com) (https://www.axios.com/2023/07/27/trump-2024-presidential-election-legal-trials?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top)
tomder55
Aug 16, 2023, 04:19 AM
All 19 members of 'the enterprise' ,including Trump have until August 25 to "surrender" to the Fulton County Jail. They will be booked ,possibly finger printed and given a mug shot. Issues like bond will be negotiated . The sheriff will have to negotiate with Secret Service for Trump's surrender.
tomder55
Aug 16, 2023, 08:59 AM
RICO aka racketeering is a Federal Crime . But Georgia tweaked the law and created it's own RICO laws. The purpose is to go after criminal organizations . If someone in Vinny the Chin's gang shoots someone Vinny can be charged .
In this case Trump is Vinny and the co-defendants are underlings in "the enterprise" . They may have individually committed a state crime ;but they were doing it on Trump's behalf . RICO allows them all to be tried together.
The premise is that Trump went down to Georgia ;looking for an election to steal He was in a bind because he was behind and was willing to make a deal.
Well that's the story that DA Fani Willis will try to peddle.
I would argue that there was a much bigger criminal organization at work in the 2020 elections involving many more people than Trump and his 19 co-defendants .
The Dem party is one member of 'the enterprise' . So are state Governors ,and courts that allowed election laws to be changed illegally.So is Zuckerberg who funneled cash into strategic precincts to fund drop boxes and other schemes to finance the last minute election law changes.
Add is the compliant press and 50 former Intel chiefs who swore that Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian misinformation.
Add Pfizer to the list of Defendents. Trump insisted that stage 3 clinicals would result in a covid vaccine in a manner of days . The left and the compliant press mocked him. Pfizer announced their results Nov 9 ..... 6 days after the election.
Add in all the social media sites that colluded to suppress bad news about Quid Pro Joe.
Oh heck let's face facts ;the whole deep state were part of the enterprise that rigged the elections . Lock them all up .
jlisenbe
Aug 16, 2023, 10:16 AM
Here's what is, in some ways, the worst part of this. Trump will spend untold dollars defending himself in several different cases. He can afford that, but don't suppose for a second that the average guy will not be next, and that average guy won't be able to afford high-priced attorneys. And then just the threat of federal prosecution will be sufficient to silence free speech and lawful activities. This is part of what the founding fathers were trying to avoid.
tomder55
Jan 11, 2024, 06:39 AM
So Fani Willis hired a lover to be the prosecutor for the Georgia Rico case. She has paid him nearly $700,000 for his "services " . Was he a competent experienced prosecutor to land such an important assignment ? According to a Trump co-defendant he isn't .
Motion to disqualify - DocumentCloud (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24352579-motion-to-disqualify)
“My understanding is that he has no felony jury trial experience,” said Chris Timmons, an Atlanta defense lawyer who has prosecuted cases under the same racketeering law used against Trump, known as a RICO statute.
Wade isn’t qualified to serve as a court-appointed defense lawyer in the Trump case, according to Monday’s motion. To pick up such an assignment, a lawyer needs to have tried “at least two criminal trials of similar offenses,” according to a 2022 document from the Fulton County Superior Court.
Wade’s lack of relevant experience “would be concerning in any complex felony case, let alone one that is a multi-defendant RICO case,” said Timmons, an ABC News contributor.
Who’s the Lawyer in Trump’s Georgia Case Accused of Romantic Relationship With Fani Willis? - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/lawyer-hired-to-prosecute-trump-in-georgia-scrutinized-over-relationship-with-fani-willis-7ba211de)
The other news is that the Jan 6 kangaroo court has directed the Georgia prosecution.
Jan. 6 committee helped guide early days of Georgia Trump probe - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/10/jan-6-georgia-trump-probe-00134941)
The prosecution has also met with the WH to strategize the case
The services rendered by Wade in conjunction with the case seemingly included attending an event with White House counsel in Georgia and a meeting at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, the invoices show.
Trump prosecutor Nathan Wade billed Georgia DA $4,000 for White House meetings (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2024/01/10/news/trump-prosecutor-nathan-wade-billed-georgia-da-4000-for-white-house-meetings/)