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tomder55
May 23, 2023, 03:07 AM
The Wagner group ;originally organized as mercenaries for hire ,and now under the command of Putin ally , Russian oligarch Yevgeny Prigozhin, have for some time been linked directly to Putin's security state and his defacto private army.It is used to advance Russia’s foreign policy objectives with a modicum of plausible deniability,

We made reference to them when they assisted Putin in the suppression of the Syrian revolution .They have been active there since 2015 They were instrumental in the recapture of the key province of Deir ez-Zor. They attempted an attack on American forces in Syria 2017 . Luckily Trump was President. Swift action resulted in 200-300 of the group's fighters killed .

The group also fights a proxy war for Russia in the Libyan civil war ;and in various African continent conflicts

They have made a lot of news lately in driving Ukrainian forces from Bakhmut.

What is lesser known and/or reported by the compliant press is their involvement in the Western Hemisphere . Besides the fiasco of the Democrat's open border policies ,and the illegal drug trade ,the US has not kept an eye on our back yard . The Wagner Group operates as "independent contractors " in many nations south of the non-US border .

Venezuela :
Since 2012 Venezuela has spent more that $11 billion in Russian military hardware. The Wagner group is there to operate the military equipment and to train Venezuelans. Putin knows that direct military intervention by Russia in the Western Hemisphere is a direct violation of the Monroe Doctrine. Sending proxy "independent " para-military forces here is a get-around . They prop up Maduro since 2019 and he owes Putin favors in return . Venezuela has the largest known oil reserve . Putin helps them get past sanctions . Maduro speaks of the end of US hegemony and the rise of a multi-polar world . He has many ears listening to him His regime may be shaky and dependent on Russia's security support. But he is influential in the region.

Haiti :

Recently classified docs that were leaked indicated that the Wagner group is in contact with the regime in Haiti . They are seeking contracts to assist in fighting local gangs .

In late February, Wagner Group representatives had plans to “discreetly travel to Haiti to assess the potential for contracts with the Haitian government to fight against local gangs,” according to one of the documents, which cited law enforcement reporting.
Leaked documents: Russian Wagner Group mercenaries look for business close to U.S. (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/leaked-documents-russian-wagner-group-mercenaries-haiti-rcna79440)

So while we focus on Ukraine Russian mercenary forces are operating under our noses.

tomder55
May 25, 2023, 03:40 PM
Daniel Davis is a Senior Fellow for Defense Priorities and a former Lt. Col. in the U.S. Army who deployed into combat zones four times.

His assessment of the war in Ukraine is what I have been suggesting for close to a year . Russia is winning ,Ukraine cannot win this war without direct NATO intervention ;and no I do not mean weapons .

The Russians made many blunders last year due to over confidence. But things turned around when they changed tactics and made it a war of attrition.

Ukraine has now lost 4 bloody battles for cities . Bakhmut in particular had no strategic importance. Still they wasted an army defending it . Now they say they plan an offensive. I don't see how they can sustain one even if they advance.Sad Reality: The Ukraine War Is Now Going Russia’s Way (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sad-reality-the-ukraine-war-is-now-going-russia-s-way/ar-AA1bHetv?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c9c89e6896f84253ae79a9a011a10fab&ei=13)

Put simply, Ukraine doesn’t have the personnel or industrial capacity to replace their lost men and equipment in comparison to the Russians. .....Even bigger than the dearth of ammunition and equipment for Ukraine, however, is the number of trained and experienced personnel they’ve lost. Many of those skilled troops and leaders simply cannot be replaced in the span of mere months.....I assess there is currently no likely path for Ukraine to achieve a military victory. Continuing to fight in that hope may perversely result in them losing even more territory.

tomder55
Jun 24, 2023, 06:01 AM
The Wagner Goup is on the march again . This time they are not battling Ukraine . They are marching on Moscow.

Yevgeny Prigozhin the head of the paramilitary group accuses Russia of firing on their positions.


On Saturday, Prigozhin said his 25,000 soldiers had stormed into Rostov-on-Don — home to the Russian military headquarters for the southern region that oversees the fighting in Ukraine, close to where the Wagner forces had been deployed.
He claimed that his forces had taken control of the city’s military facilities, including the airfield, as military tanks rolled through the streets of Rostov-on-Don, according to videos posted online.
The mercenary leader said his troops faced no resistance from young conscripts at checkpoints.

Wagner Group’s Yevgeny Prigozhin accused of trying to stage coup as he claims to control parts of Russia's military headquarters (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2023/06/23/wagner-groups-yevgeny-prigozhin-accused-of-trying-to-stage-coup-against-russia/)

“Actions that divide our unity are in essence defeatism before one’s own people,” Putin said. “This is a stab in the back of our country and our people.”
“This is a criminal adventuristic campaign. It is equivalent to armed mutiny. Russia will defend itself.”


In a five-minute speech that was pre-recorded and then broadcast to a disbelieving nation, the president conceded that the insurrection meant his regime was up against “the toughest battle for its future.”


Unconfirmed social media footage showed an apparent explosion at an oil depot in Vorenezh and a possible missile strike on a Wagner column headed for Moscow.

Putin Admits He’s Facing ‘Armed Mutiny’ as Prigozhin Advances on Moscow (thedailybeast.com) (https://www.thedailybeast.com/feud-between-moscow-and-wagner-group-turns-to-all-out-war)

Trenches are being dug for the defense of Moscow .

KyivPost on Twitter: "⚡️Trenches are being dug on the outskirts of #Moscow https://t.co/KAj89Br8tC" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1672572943472246786?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1672572943472246786%7Ctwgr% 5Edf167b53e0f53393001df54f5d462dce3a0cc94a%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.news18.com%2Fworld%2Frus sia-ukraine-war-news-live-wagner-group-yevgeny-prigozhin-putin-coup-rostov-livenews-8159455.html)

Russia News LIVE: Army Helicopters Open Fire on Wagner Forces in Voronezh; Putin Speaks to Allies in Belarus, Central Asia - News18 (https://www.news18.com/world/russia-ukraine-war-news-live-wagner-group-yevgeny-prigozhin-putin-coup-rostov-livenews-8159455.html)


This gives Ukraine an opportunity to exploit the confusion in Russia . If Putin is ousted it could result in a larger civil war ;or it may make no difference to the war in Ukraine .The Wagner Group has been some of the more effective Russian fighters .

tomder55
Jun 24, 2023, 11:53 AM
and just like that ;the coup was over . Time to go back to killing Ukrainians ,

Wagner chief says he is 'turning our columns' around from a march toward Moscow | CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/24/europe/russia-putin-wagner-uprising-saturday-intl/index.html)

tomder55
Jun 24, 2023, 01:17 PM
Hey Dems . When you see tanks rolling toward the Capitol ,that is what is called an insurrection

jlisenbe
Jun 24, 2023, 04:00 PM
They have evidently reached a compromise of sorts whereby the mercenaries have called off the great Moscow offensive. Why does this somewhat remind me of Spartacus?

tomder55
Jun 24, 2023, 04:39 PM
As the saying goes 'when you shoot at a king you better not miss. ' I expect Prigozhin will be choking on polonium 210 in the coming days .

tomder55
Jun 25, 2023, 01:47 AM
Washington is "monitoring" the situation . Washington was "surprised" by the events of the mutiny . Quid Pro Joe was being briefed . All news speak for the fact that Washington was caught unawares .

Was US intelligence caught flat footed again ?
Perhaps if they weren't so involved in internal politics at home they could get a better feel for what is happening around the world.

tomder55
Jun 25, 2023, 10:37 AM
ok so now somehow the Wagners "marched on Moscow " ;negotiated a deal to end the march ;were "exiled"... so they can now be positioned 100 km from Kiev in Belarus .... where Putin has recently delivered nuclear weapons . Was the march an orchestrated false flag repositioning of the forces ?

Ukraine has it's forces doing the counter offensive in the Donbas . What have they left behind to defend their capitol ?



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzetmLlacAEDihY?format=jpg&name=small

tomder55
Jul 16, 2023, 05:55 PM
Poland and Ukraine claim that the Wagner Group is now embedded in Belarus and is training Belarus soldiers ;probably for the opening of a 2nd front.

Ukraine, Poland say Wagner fighters arrive in Belarus | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-poland-say-wagner-fighters-arrive-belarus-2023-07-16/)

tomder55
Aug 23, 2023, 11:28 AM
As the saying goes 'when you shoot at a king you better not miss. ' I expect Prigozhin will be choking on polonium 210 in the coming days .

Plane crash in Russia kills 10, officials say; Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin reportedly on passenger list - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/yevgeny-prigozhin-plane-crash-russia-passengers-dead-wagner-group/)