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tomder55
Aug 14, 2023, 12:42 PM
The realization that I am not a submissive frilly-dress, bouquet-of-flowers, huggy-kissy female.

in other words you did not fit the stereotype so you thought something was wrong ? Nothing was wrong based on that . If you thought there was it was in your head reenforced by cultural and peer pressure.

Wondergirl
Aug 14, 2023, 12:44 PM
Please do some honest research. Look up dysphoria. Talk or message with someone who has walked that walk.

jlisenbe
Aug 14, 2023, 12:46 PM
Coming from someone who is never able to find or present support for her arguments, that is quite some advice. Want to take a guess as to what my reply will be?

tomder55
Aug 14, 2023, 12:57 PM
My sisters were "tomboys " and did not fit the 'submissive frilly-dress, bouquet-of-flowers, huggy-kissy female.'

They were in all things that matter female and they would kick the a$$ of someone who said otherwise.

jlisenbe
Aug 14, 2023, 01:22 PM
And I assume your tomboy sisters went on to become grown...women?? Feel pretty safe in assuming that.

Wondergirl
Aug 14, 2023, 02:34 PM
And I assume your tomboy sisters went on to become grown...women?? Feel pretty safe in assuming that.

Hmm, tomboys? Aren't all females female???

tomder55
Aug 14, 2023, 03:56 PM
in the tranforner ideology that is true .But every "tomboy "
I ever was associated with turned out to be magnificant women . ..... and I coached plenty of young women in sports . It's amazing to me that nonconformity is seen as something that needs a chemical or surgical remedy , Wasn't that something the Nazis advocated ? I am actually shocked that the radicals think that someone not conforming needs a chemical or surgical remedy.

jlisenbe
Aug 14, 2023, 04:22 PM
And so, as it turns out, the sex chromosomes have the final word? Well how about that? Who would ever have guessed???

Wondergirl
Aug 14, 2023, 04:30 PM
What's your definition of a tomboy, tom?


And so, as it turns out, the sex chromosomes have the final word? Well how about that? Who would ever have guessed???
Dysphoria will become your new enemy.

jlisenbe
Aug 14, 2023, 05:19 PM
Let God arise and his enemies be scattered.

tomder55
Aug 14, 2023, 05:27 PM
tomboy a girl who is non-conforming regarding traditional gender roles.

Wondergirl
Aug 14, 2023, 05:44 PM
tomboy a girl who is non-conforming regarding traditional gender roles.
Are there tomgirls ... or maybe call them bellndaboys?

Wondergirl
Aug 14, 2023, 05:58 PM
Let God arise and his enemies be scattered.
From a MtoF friend -- "No, it's not a choice. You do have to be thoroughly evaluated though. Males who say they are trans will react badly to HRT if they are just playing. They freak because they have a male mind that can't handle estrogen."

jlisenbe
Aug 14, 2023, 06:17 PM
Your friend has given what is clearly a biased opinion filled with unscientific, non-medical info. Sorry, but that is far from compelling.

Wondergirl
Aug 15, 2023, 09:32 AM
Your friend has given what is clearly a biased opinion filled with unscientific, non-medical info. Sorry, but that is far from compelling.
Then please take a month's trial of HRT and report back at the end of the month. Thank you.

jlisenbe
Aug 15, 2023, 10:59 AM
Then please take a month's trial of HRT and report back at the end of the month. Thank you.Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Be stupid and take hormones for a month and see where it takes you. No thanks.

Wondergirl
Aug 15, 2023, 01:22 PM
Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Be stupid and take hormones for a month and see where it takes you. No thanks.
If you had dysphoria because you're in the wrong body, you would.

tomder55
Aug 15, 2023, 01:49 PM
BS pseudoscience

Gender ideology..... the theory that binay doesn’t capture the complexity of humans ; and that human individuals are properly described in terms of “gender identity” that conflicts with their“sex assigned at birth.”.....could very well be the most harmful illusion in history.

tomder55
Aug 16, 2023, 04:30 AM
A male who "identifies as a female"set a new powerlifting record at the Canadian Powerlifting Union’s 2023 Western Canadian Championship on Sunday. He competed in the Female Masters Unequipped category Sunday .

Trans male sets woman's Canadian powerlifting record | News | westernstandard.news (https://www.westernstandard.news/news/trans-male-sets-womans-canadian-powerlifting-record/article_2e2a12b6-3ae1-11ee-93db-cf6e6234ecee.html)

Woooohoooo !!! It was a proud Pride day !

jlisenbe
Aug 16, 2023, 05:35 AM
It's just the insanity of the current age. Unborn children can be killed. Two men can get married. A man can simply decide he is a woman and poof!! He's a woman. And if you criticize any of this, you can risk, in many places, being arrested.

jlisenbe
Aug 16, 2023, 07:19 AM
It's sadly fascinating to see how many women there are who, in their zeal to remain at the head of the parade for their view of cultural progress, are abandoning their own gender and the progress made at great cost over the decades in order to advance the cause of transgender ideology. They have gone, almost overnight, from being the chief advocates for women's athletics to being its chief opposition.

Wondergirl
Aug 16, 2023, 07:35 AM
A man can simply decide he is a woman and poof!! He's a woman. .
Nope. The honest and genuine way very definitely isn't simple.

jlisenbe
Aug 16, 2023, 08:21 AM
Nope. The honest and genuine way very definitely isn't simple.There is no "honest and genuine way". Those sex chromosomes have the final word.

The entirely predictable next step.


A California hospital executive and professor claimed children can (https://www.foxnews.com/media/california-district-curriculum-claims-10-sexual-orientations-skoliosexual-gynesexual)identify (https://www.foxnews.com/media)as a mythology-inspired creature and claimed that this category of children love mermaids, according to a presentation reviewed by Fox News Digital.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/feminist-medical-school-professor-says-trans-kids-identifying-minotaurs-part-gender-revolution

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Wondergirl
Aug 16, 2023, 02:26 PM
On Quora:
What are your thoughts on born men wanting me to call them a female because I will not?
(https://www.quora.com/What-are-your-thoughts-on-born-men-wanting-me-to-call-them-a-female-because-I-will-not)
I once met a person who resembled Rodney Dangerfield. This guy:
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e966b64441785923ff4825d67c45cf01

except TALL. A very large, very masculine person. Who assured my class that the masculine presentation included their entire body.
This individual had spent their entire life feeling like a girl, like they’d gotten the wrong body at birth.

As a young adult, this individual had cause to get some genetic testing done that revealed that SHE had XX chromosomes. Genetically, SHE was female. Her body DID NOT MATCH her genetic code, or her brain.

Despite the extremely oversimplified version that we teach to 10 year olds (XY = penis = male), biological sex is complicated. There are a number of different variables (chromosomes, genital development, SRY gene, hormones) that do not always align.

You don’t know what anyone else’s situation is. You don’t know what’s in their pants, what’s in their chromosomes, what’s in their genes, what’s in their hormones. So just call people whatever they ask to be called. Refusing to do so doesn’t make you right, it makes you a jerk.

jlisenbe
Aug 16, 2023, 05:52 PM
Just a lot of unconfirmed conjecture. At some point, the person needs to make an appeal to some research that can support these claims. Anecdotal stories just don't get the job done at all. Even worse, the supposed "experts" on Quora are frequently not experts at all. I feel certain that's the case here.

jlisenbe
Aug 19, 2023, 11:36 AM
The lunacy known as California continues. This is the latest episode.


A California mother of three who claims she was fired for speaking out about education curriculum (https://www.foxnews.com/media) at her local school board meeting told Fox News Digital that she has been unfairly branded as racist, homophobic and transphobic by members of her community in letters sent to her employer and printed in local news outlets.
Janet Roberson spoke (https://www.foxnews.com/media/mother-claims-she-lost-her-job-called-transphobic-after-opposing-sexual-ideology-schools) at a Benicia Unified School District (BUSD) meeting on April 20, where she expressed concerns about the district's sexual education curriculum that she said taught "gender confusion, not gender clarification" because it told 10-year-old students they could choose their own gender and receive puberty blockers. She said teaching "vulnerable children that lifetime dependence on medical care is a viable option is completely unacceptable and evil."
"Children are being asked to identify their pronouns and this is now part of the ten-year-old curriculum," Roberson said of the curriculum (https://www.beniciafreedom.org/sex-ed). "This forces a gender discussion beyond the scope of the state requirements and complicates an already overburdened classroom environment."
For the this she was labled "racist, homophobic, transphobic" and accused of having "anti-COVID safety, and anti-COVID vaccine writings, along with content that favors Eugenics." Her beliefs were compared to those of "doctors who worked at concentration camps during World War II." Not content with that, it was further said that Roberson's "unapologetic bigotry might well affect a marginalized person’s ability to purchase a home, contingent upon whether or not that buyer passes Janet Roberson’s racial/sexual purity test."

Within days she was contacted by the real estate broker she works with that her services were no longer needed. It's a chilling message. "Shut up or we'll destroy you!"

All of this comes from the crowd that claims to believe in tolerance and diversity of thought. Go figure.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/california-mother-claims-lost-her-job-opposing-sexual-ideology-schools-absolutely-devastating

tomder55
Aug 20, 2023, 03:59 AM
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/366502151_631100295790290_6510263414862824589_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=x8CX9jBr0IoAX9xx8p6&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=00_AfAQLKrNhEh1hhHXQmWiKrRJh-SV7F74Re5kGOwPbWL01A&oe=64E782A7

Wondergirl
Aug 20, 2023, 09:14 AM
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/366502151_631100295790290_6510263414862824589_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=x8CX9jBr0IoAX9xx8p6&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=00_AfAQLKrNhEh1hhHXQmWiKrRJh-SV7F74Re5kGOwPbWL01A&oe=64E782A7
Did you take science in high school and maybe in college? Then you do realize, of course, that the above is not possible.

jlisenbe
Aug 20, 2023, 12:06 PM
I would agree that science is the great enemy of the entire LBGT spectrum of beliefs.

Wondergirl
Aug 20, 2023, 12:57 PM
If a woman wants to begin transition (months of counseling and gender affirmation) and happens to be pregnant, transition will not be considered. There is no such animal as a "pregnant man".

A pregnant woman does not have a beard unless there is a hormonal reason.

The singer Adele had a similar problem when pregnant. Hair growth or hirsutism in pregnancy is usually due to hormonal fluctuations — an increase in secretion of male hormones or androgens from the ovaries and placenta," Dr. Alyssa Dweck (an ob-gyn and assistant clinical professor at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine) confirms.

Good news for women who want a baby without a beard: Any excess hair that grows on the face, chest, abdomen, or arms, usually toward the end of the second trimester when the hormone-secreting placenta really starts to take shape, is usually temporary. It typically goes away on its own within six months of giving birth.
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/health-fitness/news/a56006/grow-pregnancy-beard/

jlisenbe
Aug 20, 2023, 01:12 PM
If a woman wants to begin transition (months of counseling and gender affirmation) and happens to be pregnant, transition will not be considered. There is no such animal as a "pregnant man".You are welcome to that opinion, but there is a wide assortment of disagreement on this topic.


Yes, it’s possible for men to become pregnant and give birth to children of their own. In fact, it’s probably a lot more common than you might think.

https://www.healthline.com/health/transgender/can-men-get-pregnant#TOC_TITLE_HDR_1

So Tom's post, as it turns out, is tragically, horribly, stupidly accurate. What a comment on our culture.

Wondergirl
Aug 20, 2023, 01:26 PM
Oh, that science....

How many women can impregnate other women?

Barnum would be thrilled!!!

jlisenbe
Aug 20, 2023, 01:27 PM
It does answer many questions.

Wondergirl
Aug 20, 2023, 01:54 PM
We're definitely no longer pure male or pure female as God created us.

jlisenbe
Aug 20, 2023, 02:20 PM
And just like that, you throw science out the window.

Wondergirl
Aug 20, 2023, 02:39 PM
We need science to understand where Satan has dragged us.

jlisenbe
Aug 20, 2023, 03:43 PM
That raises two questions.
1. If this is the result of Satan's actions, then why should it be celebrated and encouraged? Even more, why not encourage people to seek God's help in escaping from this fruit of the devil?
2. So far I have seen no science to help us understand this. Have you?

Wondergirl
Aug 20, 2023, 05:29 PM
That raises two questions.
1. If this is the result of Satan's actions, then why should it be celebrated and encouraged? Even more, why not encourage people to seek God's help in escaping from this fruit of the devil?
2. So far I have seen no science to help us understand this. Have you?
1. Satan wants to confuse us and turn us against our Creator. Satan grabs onto a biological/scientifically reasonable development and twists it so we become confused.
2. Do you have a valid public library card? If not, please apply for one. Then go to your public library and ask for help in finding legit scientific articles that explain this science in an understandable way.

Please report back.

jlisenbe
Aug 20, 2023, 05:54 PM
1. Satan wants to confuse us and turn us against our Creator. Satan grabs onto a biological/scientifically reasonable development and twists it so we become confused.So now you've gone from this being the result of Satan's actions to a being a biologically/scientifically reasonable development? How convenient. And I can see nothing reasonable about TG from a biological/scientific perspective. How would that be a "reasonable development"?

2. Do you have a valid public library card? If not, please apply for one. Then go to your public library and ask for help in finding legit scientific articles that explain this science in an understandable way.You used to be a librarian and you can't find anything. Why would you think someone else could? Besides, as I have told you repeatedly, it's not someone else's job to find support for your ideas. That's your job, so that's a pretty lame request, don't you think?

Wondergirl
Aug 20, 2023, 06:25 PM
I never said it was Satan behind it. Sheesh.

I am a retired librarian. Please go to your home library to do research. You have made it very clear that you have no respect for me and the information I have offered so far.

jlisenbe
Aug 20, 2023, 07:23 PM
Yes you did. You said it was the result of Satan's action against God's creation.

We go through this over and over again. You make assertions for which you can find no support. Respect for you is not an issue, but you would be much better off if you would simply admit that you can't find anything. The anecdotal accounts you tend to post prove nothing since such accounts never prove anything.

Wondergirl
Aug 20, 2023, 08:23 PM
Yes you did. You said it was the result of Satan's action against God's creation.
No I didn't. I deliberately did not mention Satan.

We go through this over and over again. You make assertions for which you can find no support. Respect for you is not an issue, but you would be much better off if you would simply admit that you can't find anything. The anecdotal accounts you tend to post prove nothing since such accounts never prove anything.
And you cherry pick your way through the Bible and what I write.

jlisenbe
Aug 21, 2023, 04:22 AM
You did post it.

Deflect/evade all you want. This remains true. "We go through this over and over again. You make assertions for which you can find no support. Respect for you is not an issue, but you would be much better off if you would simply admit that you can't find anything. The anecdotal accounts you tend to post prove nothing since such accounts never prove anything."

Even now you can't bring yourself to be honest and admit it. And that's not an ugly comment. I think that you frequently mean well and you believe what you are posting, but it is has been your consistent pattern to not be able to back up your statements with anything more than, "Hey, I know a TG person and he/she says it's real," and then to get desperate and suggest I do it for you. No thanks.


And you cherry pickIn my experience, that's what people who are losing the argument might say in lieu of any serious response.

Wondergirl
Aug 21, 2023, 09:04 AM
Please quote me and note the post # when I said "...it was the result of Satan's action against God's creation."

jlisenbe
Aug 21, 2023, 01:59 PM
That delete key came in handy for you, but we both know.

Wondergirl
Aug 21, 2023, 02:13 PM
Shame on you!!! No deleting was done. I had DELIBERATELY typed "Mother Nature", remembering your previous Satanic accusations.

jlisenbe
Aug 21, 2023, 02:49 PM
I remember well what I read. At any rate, you did say "mother nature"...TODAY, but we are discussing a reference from yesterday, post 292 and back a few more posts from there. You don't mention MN there. How strange!! So this is not true. "I had DELIBERATELY typed 'Mother Nature.'" Your only use of MN is in post 296. Here is the search.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/search.php?searchid=15067412

Wondergirl
Aug 21, 2023, 03:21 PM
It says, "Sorry. No matches."

jlisenbe
Aug 21, 2023, 03:50 PM
Works fine for me. Still, I aims to please!! Please note that the only uses of "mother nature" were today. This search was for the past 7 days. Besides that, I looked back carefully at today and yesterday. There was no use of that term yesterday.

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Wondergirl
Aug 21, 2023, 04:16 PM
Post #224. Then Satan slithered in.

jlisenbe
Aug 21, 2023, 05:09 PM
I believe the term is “disingenuous”. It’s what you call referring to a post from eight days ago when the subject is yesterday. And you likely edited that one as well. Busted, dear WG!! Book her, Dan-O! Fibbing first degree.

Just for the record, this is the comment in question. "No deleting was done. I had DELIBERATELY typed "Mother Nature", remembering your previous Satanic accusations." It is in reference to a post from Sunday where, as it turns out, there was no reference at all to "Mother Nature".

Wondergirl
Aug 22, 2023, 07:19 AM
I mentioned Satan only because you had dragged him into the "discussion".

Unlike you, I don't later go back and edit my posts unless I see a grammatical or punctuation mistake.

jlisenbe
Aug 22, 2023, 08:02 AM
I do rather frequently go back and edit a post. I happily admit to it. In fact, I edited the one above this very morning. The difference is that if I get caught in a mistake, such as when you claimed you, "had DELIBERATELY typed 'Mother Nature'" (in reference to the day before and NOT August 13) when in fact you had very clearly not done so, then I am prepared to "fess up" and admit to it.

And now you've done it again. You claim, "I mentioned Satan only because you had dragged him into the 'discussion'". You also claimed, "I deliberately did not mention Satan." But in post 286 you posted, "We need science to understand where Satan has dragged us." That was the first mention of Satan in the entire month of August by anyone here, and it was by you. So no, I had not "dragged" him into the discussion, and you certainly did mention him. Correct?

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?t=850796&page=15&p=3892906#post3892906

Wondergirl
Aug 22, 2023, 08:36 AM
Where oh where is waltero???

jlisenbe
Aug 22, 2023, 10:37 AM
Yeah, he doesn't like to answer questions either.

"So no, I had not "dragged" him into the discussion, and you certainly did mention him. Correct?"

Wondergirl
Aug 22, 2023, 10:46 AM
Yeah, he doesn't like to answer questions either.
You mean respond to accusations.

jlisenbe
Aug 22, 2023, 10:47 AM
Oh please stop the theatrics.

Wondergirl
Aug 22, 2023, 11:03 AM
*giggle* You're so darn cute when you get riled up.

jlisenbe
Aug 22, 2023, 11:17 AM
Note: This post has been altered. I did not like my original response.

Yes, you are irritating. You make false comments, yet when your mistakes are pointed out, rather than exhibiting a little honesty and saying, “Whoops my bad,” we instead get mindless garbage. Knowing that you are capable of much better, then I feel like I did when one of my intelligent students, due to mental sloth, is content with a failing grade. That is very much you.

Wondergirl
Aug 22, 2023, 11:33 AM
That's why I worked in a pubic liberry, to get some smarts!

jlisenbe
Aug 22, 2023, 11:39 AM
Then I suggest you start using them. Abandon the mental sloth. Alas, I doubt you will. You don’t want to go where that would take you.

Please prove me wrong! Please, please, please.

tomder55
Aug 28, 2023, 01:01 PM
In line to use the woman's rest room

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4mw8UeW4AAmdqO?format=jpg&name=small

Wondergirl
Aug 28, 2023, 01:34 PM
In line to use the woman's rest room

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4mw8UeW4AAmdqO?format=jpg&name=small
No problem. Women's restrooms have toilets in cubicles -- no urinals. Go into a cubicle, do your business (with the door closed), flush, go to a sink, wash your hands and dry them, then leave the restroom.

Oh, and please use the handicap cubicle. You'll be more comfortable in that larger-size one.

jlisenbe
Aug 28, 2023, 07:34 PM
Will negative wonders never cease? The mentally unbalanced lying Canadian teacher who, as a man, likes to wear gigantic artificial breasts to school has been signed up for another job in a different school. We continue to sacrifice our school children on the altar of political correctness.


A Canadian trans teacher who became infamous for wearing massive prosthetic Z-cup breasts (https://www.foxnews.com/media) to class is reportedly returning to the classroom.
Kayla Lemieux has claimed to be suffering from a condition called "gigantomastia," (https://www.foxnews.com/media/canadian-teacher-giant-prosthetic-breasts-reportedly-claims-real-slams-body-shaming-online) which is a "rare condition" during which one's breasts "become excessively large," according to the Cleveland Clinic. However, Lemieux, who formerly identified as a man, has reportedly been spotted in public without the prosthetic breasts.
Last year, Lemieux caused widespread backlash while teaching at Oakville-Trafalgar High School in Canada and was eventually placed on paid leave. Lemieux is now set to join another Canadian school, Nora Frances Henderson Secondary School in Hamilton, for the upcoming school year, according to the Toronto Sun (https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-trans-teacher-lemieux-returning-to-classroom-this-time-in-hamilton).https://www.foxnews.com/media/trans-teacher-known-massive-prosthetic-breasts-returning-canadian-classroom

jlisenbe
Aug 29, 2023, 04:22 PM
No problem. Women's restrooms have toilets in cubicles -- no urinals. Go into a cubicle, do your business (with the door closed), flush, go to a sink, wash your hands and dry them, then leave the restroom.What a strange world we live in where you find yourself in the rather strange position of needing to explain to people why men should not go into the women's restroom. At any rate, using such logic as is seen above, there would be no reason why we shouldn't just allow all men to go into women's restrooms as they see fit. We would simply need to instruct them to, "Go into a cubicle, do your business (with the door closed), flush, go to a sink, wash your hands and dry them, then leave the restroom." And if he should happen to open a stall door and see a woman with her skirt up to her waist, then that's just the cost she must pay for living in this brave new world which the elites envision.

Thankfully, common sense does still prevail in some courtrooms. This story is out of California. I only regret that the settlement was not much higher and that the school staff was stripped of their certification and banned from the business of education for life.


In what's been called a landmark victory for parental rights (https://www.foxnews.com/media), a California school district has settled for $100,000 with a mother who said her daughter was "socially transitioned" to a boy without parental knowledge or consent.
Jessica Konen said her 11-year-old daughter, Alicia, was told by her school in the Spreckels Union School District in Monterey County that she may be upset because she didn’t know who she "truly was inside." From there, the school allowed her to use the boy’s bathroom, used male pronouns to refer to her and was "socially transitioned" away from her biological gender.
Once Konen found out that her daughter was being identified as a male and socially transitioning without her knowledge, she sued the district. Her daughter has since decided to re-identify as a girl, and the California single mother vowed to keep fighting for parental rights (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/education) after the settlement in which she was represented by the Center for American Liberty.
The elites say to the rest of us, "We will convince your daughters that they are truly boys, and we will move rapidly to bring that to pass. Your input, parents, is not needed, so just mind your own business."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/california-school-district-settles-mother-after-school-transitioned-daughter-without-consent

Wondergirl
Aug 29, 2023, 04:26 PM
Men do come into women's restrooms -- with their toddler, handicapped child, etc., sometimes assisting the wife. Men can't open occupied cubicle doors because we women close and LOCK them.

Glad to know you don't hang out in women's restrooms, jl.

jlisenbe
Aug 29, 2023, 07:54 PM
Men do come into women's restrooms -- with their toddler, handicapped child, etc., sometimes assisting the wife.The exceptions that, for sensible people, prove the rule.


Men can't open occupied cubicle doors because we women close and LOCK them.If it's like men, then sometimes they don't, and sometimes the latches are broken. At any rate, we don't need to sacrifice our wives and daughters on this altar of elitist thought. When this poor, deluded mental patient becomes your poster child, then you are in serious trouble. He shouldn't even be allowed in the store, much less in the women's restroom.

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Wondergirl
Aug 29, 2023, 09:33 PM
If the cubicle door won't lock while the cubicle is in use, the door will swing open. Then the woman goes to a different cubicle where the latch works properly.

If it's like men, then sometimes they don't, and sometimes the latches are brok . At any rate, we don't need to sacrifice our wives and daughters on this altar of elitist thought. When this poor, deluded mental patient becomes your poster child, then you are in serious trouble. He shouldn't even be allowed in the store, much less in the women's restroom.

Yeah yeah yeah blah blah blah

jlisenbe
Aug 30, 2023, 05:52 AM
Yeah yeah yeah blah blah blahTypical response of a person who has lost the argument and has nothing productive to say.

This really says it all.
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tomder55
Aug 30, 2023, 06:44 AM
This report tells it all

Woman, 80, banned from YMCA pool after clash with trans woman in locker room | KATV (https://katv.com/news/nation-world/woman-80-banned-from-ymca-pool-after-clash-over-trans-woman-in-locker-room-washington-state-mountain-view-pool-port-townsend-controversy-alleged-code-of-conduct-violations)

The woman who objected to Chester the Molester is the one banned ,

jlisenbe
Aug 30, 2023, 06:50 AM
YMCA. Young Men's Christian Association. Go figure. "How dare you object to getting dressed in the presence of a man, you heathen!"


It was founded on 6 June 1844 by George Williams in London, originally as the Young Men's Christian Association, and aims to put Christian values into practice by developing a healthy "body, mind, and spirit".Evidently the key to a healthy body is to allow members of the opposite sex look at it. That does fit into our current morality, but not into the Christian version.

From the article.


Jaman said she had finished her swim and was taking a shower in the locker room when she heard a voice that she said did not belong in that setting.
“I heard a man’s voice, very distinctive," Jaman said. "I saw a man in a woman’s bathing suit where two toilets are and there were two little girls standing there taking down their suits to use the toilet. I looked at him and I said, 'Do you have a penis?' and he said 'It’s none of your business.' And I said 'You need to leave now.'"
The YMCA, which operates the pool, immediately asked Jaman to leave and she has now been prohibited from using the pool after workers there said she violated the YMCA's Code of Conduct with disrespectful behavior.
So evidently it is not "disrespectful" for a man to watch little girls get undressed, but it is disrespectful to object to it. The elites are having a field day. Of course it will likely be said that it is all the fault of the little girls for not locking themselves in stalls!!

Wondergirl
Aug 30, 2023, 09:14 AM
Typical response of a person who has lost the argument and has nothing productive to say.
No, I have LOTS more to say but why waste words on someone who cherry picks. He also relishes putting me down. (This time I beat him to it! HA!)

And have ya'll noticed (or your female family members have noticed)? -- public washroom stall walls now go all the way to the floor.

tomder55
Aug 30, 2023, 09:19 AM
meanwhile a kid almost got in trouble in school for wearing a Gadsden flag

Colorado middle-schooler kicked out of class for 'Don't tread on me' Gadsden flag patch that teacher claims originated with slavery (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2023/08/30/colorado-middle-schooler-kicked-out-of-class-for-dont-tread-on-me-gadsden-flag-patch-that-teacher-claims-originated-with-slavery/)

jlisenbe
Aug 30, 2023, 10:27 AM
meanwhile a kid almost got in trouble in school for wearing a Gadsden flagThankfully, sanity prevailed. "Following public outrage, the school’s board of directors called an emergency meeting and walked back its demands that Jaiden remove the patch, the Denver Gazette reported (https://gazette.com/news/colorado-springs-school-video-goes-viral-district-responds/article_a66f892f-002b-5327-b733-79cf0fe1f810.html)." But why do I suspect their collective heart was not really in their decision?


No, I have LOTS more to say but why waste words on someone who cherry picks. He also relishes putting me down. (This time I beat him to it! HA!)Again, an "answer" typical of one who has lost the argument and has nothing productive to say. I am not putting you down on a personal level. I am being critical of your arguments as I should be and as you should do as well.

But here is your big opportunity! Show me where I have "cherry-picked" your responses, bearing in mind that the term refers to, "the action or practice of choosing and taking only the most beneficial or profitable items, opportunities, etc., from what is available." I would add that it is done in an effort to misrepresent another person's views. So show me where I've done that with you.

Wondergirl
Aug 30, 2023, 10:50 AM
But here is your big opportunity! Show me where I have "cherry-picked" your responses, bearing in mind that the term refers to, "the action or practice of choosing and taking only the most beneficial or profitable items, opportunities, etc., from what is available." I would add that it is done in an effort to misrepresent another person's views. So show me where I've done that with you.
Everywhere. Anywhere. All one needs to do is read your responses to my posts.

jlisenbe
Aug 30, 2023, 11:41 AM
Everywhere. Anywhere. All one needs to do is read your responses to my posts.It's like someone going into a library and saying, "I'd like to check out a book." Well, some specifics would be necessary. Lacking that, it certainly looks as though you have no clue. You seem to just toss around accusations to cover up your wrong thinking. But I'm open to correction. I would just need...specifics. Kind of like, "clearly defined or identified."

Wondergirl
Aug 30, 2023, 12:03 PM
It's like someone going into a library and saying, "I'd like to check out a book."
That's the fun and excitement of being a librarian! I'd put on my detective cap and -- oh, the fun I had solving the mystery!

No, you're not open to correction.

jlisenbe
Aug 30, 2023, 12:09 PM
I'd put on my detective cap and -- oh, the fun I had solving the mystery!Strange that you can't do it now. Well, you have no clue, so that's that. But should you ever put on the ole "detective cap" and solve that mystery, then let me know. In the meantime, you and I both know I don't practice cherry-picking.

Wondergirl
Aug 30, 2023, 12:39 PM
Oh, how I miss Athos!

You want "specifics" for what?

jlisenbe
Aug 30, 2023, 12:59 PM
OK. It's only been three hours, but here it is again.


But here is your big opportunity! Show me where I have "cherry-picked" your responses, bearing in mind that the term refers to, "the action or practice of choosing and taking only the most beneficial or profitable items, opportunities, etc., from what is available." I would add that it is done in an effort to misrepresent another person's views. So show me where I've done that with you.

This was your completely non-specific answer then. "Everywhere. Anywhere. All one needs to do is read your responses to my posts." Just think the opposite of that, and you'll have it.

jlisenbe
Aug 31, 2023, 05:31 AM
49526

tomder55
Sep 3, 2023, 04:02 AM
The transformer with the big t*ts is a phony

Oli London on X: "Canadian Transgender teacher Kayla Lemieux spotted in Ontario without gigantic Z Cup prosthetic breasts. 🇨🇦 The trans teacher previously claimed that his massive breasts were real and were due to a rare condition known as ‘gigantomastia.’ He only appears to wear the breasts… https://t.co/5bcWc2Mlbq" / X (twitter.com) (https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1697683938666221772?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1697683938666221772%7Ctwgr% 5E997431f3d879cdeb41c64c472a54c110b431ee22%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Famericanentertainmentnews.co m%2Fhuman-interest%2F2023%2F09%2F02%2Ftransgender-teacher-with-giant-z-cup-breasts-returns-to-class-as-a-man%2Fjack-crane%2F)

jlisenbe
Sep 3, 2023, 04:57 AM
It never ceases to amaze what some people will accept in order to appear to be among the elites. "Yes, I'm a man, but these gigantic appendages hanging from my chest are actually the result of gigantomastia." The Bible nails it.

"Seeking to become wise, they become fools."

tomder55
Sep 3, 2023, 05:58 AM
and the fact that he only wears them while teaching children proves he is a psycho Chester the molester perv . He should be permanently terminated and prohibited from any profession associated with child care

jlisenbe
Sep 3, 2023, 06:48 AM
And yet he has been given another job in a school. Incredible.

jlisenbe
Sep 6, 2023, 02:38 PM
Man with "gigantomastia" evidently had a gigantomastectomy. [SARC] He has started a new job (in a school) sporting a beard and no breasts. Incredible what the elite crowd will fall for. It's tragic what this insanity is doing for our poor school children. 49529

jlisenbe
Sep 9, 2023, 05:02 AM
The President's press secretary gave this response when questioned about TG men competing against real women in athletics. Many words...mini meaning.

"So, we've talked about this many times. This is the Title [IX], specifically. Look, and again, we've talked about this multiple times. It's a complicated issue, and there are a wide range of views on this. The Department of Education proposed a rule, as you know, that gives schools the flexibility to establish their own athletics policies, and so while establishing guardrails, right, to prevent discrimination against transgender kids," Jean-Pierre said.

"That is something that is incredibly important, that the president wants to make sure that we also do that as well. So, I'm just not going to get ahead of that."