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tomder55
Mar 9, 2023, 05:37 AM
Yesterday ,to honor women ;Clueless Joe gave a award to a man.

Alba Ruida is a biological male transformer . He was given the 2023 'Woman of Courage ' award .

In the Great White North ,Justin Trudeau marked the day by proclaiming “trans women are women” .

I tend to agree with Tulsi Gabbard on this issue.

If we really want to celebrate #InternationalWomensDay (https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/InternationalWomensDay?src=hashtag_click), the most important thing to do is recognize that women exist and are biologically different from men. We as women are not an imaginary construct in someone’s mind. Unless we speak up about this obvious truth, women will be erased as an entire category of peopleTulsi Gabbard 🌺 on Twitter: "If we really want to celebrate #InternationalWomensDay, the most important thing to do is recognize that women exist and are biologically different from men. We as women are not an imaginary construct in someone’s mind. Unless we speak up about this obvious truth, women will be…" / Twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1633618209260568578)

jlisenbe
Mar 9, 2023, 06:52 AM
Good post. I copied this one to FB.

Wondergirl
Mar 9, 2023, 10:24 AM
Just because you LOOK LIKE a male below the waist when naked doesn't mean you ARE one. There more to being male than the physical appearance.

jlisenbe
Mar 9, 2023, 10:34 AM
Well, there would be your sex chromosomes. His are XY, which makes him a man, a man from the very moment of conception.

Wondergirl
Mar 9, 2023, 10:37 AM
What are his reasons?

Wondergirl
Mar 9, 2023, 10:44 AM
Well, there would be your sex chromosomes. His are XY, which makes him a man, a man from the very moment of conception.
How do you know?

jlisenbe
Mar 9, 2023, 10:52 AM
Uhm...well, let's see here. Ole Alba was born a man (not named "Alba" then) with male sex organs BECAUSE he had XY sex chromosomes. That's kind of how it works, you see.

Read this very carefully if you want to continue this. Educate yourself.

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/002327.htm#:~:text=Two%20of%20the%20chromosomes%20 (the,X%20and%201%20Y%20chromosome.

Wondergirl
Mar 9, 2023, 11:07 AM
Uhm...well, let's see here. Ole Alba was born a man (not named "Alba" then) with male sex organs BECAUSE he had XY sex chromosomes. That's kind of how it works, you see.

Read this very carefully if you want to continue this. Educate yourself.

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/002327.htm#:~:text=Two%20of%20the%20chromosomes%20 (the,X%20and%201%20Y%20chromosome.
Obviously, he WAS NOT born with XY sex chromosomes. And something else was going on with hormones.

jlisenbe
Mar 9, 2023, 11:12 AM
Obviously, he WAS NOT born with XY sex chromosomes.You are seriously suggesting that a boy born with male genitalia only did not have an XY chromosomal pair? I'm trying to give you an out on this before you go down a looney trail.

Wondergirl
Mar 9, 2023, 11:15 AM
You are seriously suggesting that a boy born with male genitalia only did not have an XY chromosomal pair? I'm trying to give you an out on this before you go down a looney trail.
Yes, he could have Klinefelter Syndrome.

jlisenbe
Mar 9, 2023, 11:37 AM
The odds are about 1000 to 1 against it, but even at that, he would STILL have XY chromosomes, just having an additional X or Y chromosome. These individuals are STILL MEN. So you are wrong on both counts.

Wondergirl
Mar 9, 2023, 11:43 AM
But even at that, these individuals are STILL MEN. So you are wrong on both counts.
Not true. My good friend, a medical person, has gone through this. She is a beautiful woman. She was a DES baby with more estrogen than testosterone.

jlisenbe
Mar 9, 2023, 11:48 AM
Another old wives tale. When you are wrong on the science, as you are now, you always appeal to a story about a person you supposedly know.

Please, please educate yourself. "Klinefelter syndrome is a genetic condition that results when a boy is born with an extra copy of the X chromosome. Klinefelter syndrome is a genetic condition affecting males, and it often isn't diagnosed until adulthood."

Klinefelter Syndrome. - Search (bing.com) (https://www.bing.com/search?q=Klinefelter+Syndrome.&aqs=edge..69i57&FORM=ANCMS9&PC=LCTS)

Once you learn something, come back. And lest that sound a little testy, I can only plead as to how this is an ongoing pattern that gets kind of old.

Wondergirl
Mar 9, 2023, 12:05 PM
That's right about KS. She suffered awfully through childhood and her teens, until finally....

She is a member of the smallest minority section of trans people.

Plus, the DES pulled the nail out of the male coffin.

jlisenbe
Mar 9, 2023, 12:21 PM
Not content to be wrong once, you bring up the already discredited DES fairytale so you can be wrong twice. Wonder what the third one will be?

tomder55
Mar 9, 2023, 12:23 PM
Let's face facts ;biological women are being marginalized by the woke agenda . They think it is perfectly acceptable for a biological male transformer to whoop on a woman in athletics and to get awarded where women rightly got recognized in the past .
In the last year Ruida gets the Women of Courage award ;Rachel Levine the USA Today's Woman of the Year ;Lia Thomas nominated for the 2022 NCAA Woman of the Year ;Fae Johnstone the Hershey's International Women’s Day honoree.

Wondergirl
Mar 9, 2023, 12:24 PM
O ye of little faith! Instead of reading crappy links, talk with real people, people who have endured this. And have found ways to improve their lives and health.

jlisenbe
Mar 9, 2023, 12:31 PM
O ye of little faith! Instead of reading crappy links, talk with real people, people who have endured this. And have found ways to improve their lives and health.Translation. "I have no science to support my views, so I will appeal to my imaginary people."

Tom, your point is valid and sad. In their misguided zeal to promote mental illness, the libs are refusing to acknowledge the many deserving women out there.

Wondergirl
Mar 9, 2023, 12:56 PM
I have the science noted on Word in my pc. Will roll over there to find it.

jlisenbe
Mar 9, 2023, 02:07 PM
We'll see.

tomder55
Mar 10, 2023, 06:55 AM
It is easy . Just change the name of the celebration to 'International Men who dress like women day ' for the wokesters

Then the rest of the real world can have an International women's day that honors real women struggling for their basic rights in places like Iran and Afghanistan .


On International Women's Day, Afghan women blast the Taliban and say the world has "neglected us completely" - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/international-womens-day-afghanistan-taliban-women-protest-say-world-neglected-us/)

Afghan women protesting Taliban university ban report being arrested and beaten – video | World news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2022/dec/22/afghan-women-protesting-taliban-university-ban-report-being-arrested-and-beaten-video)


Steiger - The Iranian Uprising and What It Says About All of Us (https://steiger.org/pi-blog/the-iranian-uprising-and-what-it-says-about-all-of-us?gclid=Cj0KCQiAx6ugBhCcARIsAGNmMbhE2X_qrZAHWCNLM G9LrBplkfLH3VBnIKijSo4NQ2pKUEKnXsrIEWsaAsLgEALw_wc B)

Iran says suspected schoolgirl poisonings occurred in more than 50 schools | PBS NewsHour (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/iran-says-suspected-schoolgirl-poisonings-occurred-in-more-than-50-schools)

jlisenbe
Mar 10, 2023, 07:31 AM
It is easy . Just change the name of the celebration to 'International Men who dress like women day ' for the wokesters

Then the rest of the real world can have an International women's day that honors real women struggling for their basic rights in places like Iran and Afghanistan .Funny and yet sad at the same time. When the Afghans are set to do better than us, then we should hang our heads.

jlisenbe
Mar 10, 2023, 09:26 AM
The Bee nails it again. Ya gotta love it.

WASHINGTON, D.C. — During a prestigious ceremony held at the White House, President Biden bestowed the "Black American of Courage" award to actor Robert Downey Jr. for his pivotal role as a black man in the 2008 movie Tropic Thunder.
Awarding the white actor a black award equitably follows in the footsteps of First Lady Jill Biden, who recently gave the International Woman of Courage Award to a fat guy from Argentina squashed into a dress and caked with makeup to show young women around the world to never give up on their dreams of being crushed into oblivion and wiped from the history books.

"If you're not as black as Robert Downey, Jr., then you ain't black," said the President while standing next to Mr. Jr. who had insisted the award go to someone else while glancing nervously at all of the black people in the room.

Biden added that choosing a recipient had been difficult, as contenders for the prestigious award included Jimmy Kimmel, Justin Trudeau, Corn Pop, and Dr. Rachel Levine who had qualified by getting a spray tan that one time.
At publishing time, President Biden had replaced Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin with Robert Downey Jr. on the grounds that Austin was just not black enough for his diverse cabinet.

tomder55
Mar 15, 2023, 03:13 AM
Mid Vermont Christian School's girls basketball team has been banned by Vermont Principle's Association from participating in future basketball tournaments after the school forfeited a match against Long Tail Mountain Lions because they had a player that was a male transformer that identifies as a female.

Vermont religious school that refused to play team with trans player banned from sporting events - VTDigger (https://vtdigger.org/2023/03/13/vermont-religious-school-that-refused-to-play-team-with-trans-player-banned-from-sporting-events/)

jlisenbe
Mar 15, 2023, 05:15 AM
It is evidently what happens to those who actually dare to answer the question, "Do you know what a woman is?"

Wondergirl
Mar 15, 2023, 08:36 AM
It is evidently what happens to those who actually dare to answer the question, "Do you know what a woman is?"
And the LGBTQ+ community existed in Bible times -- and even before that.

jlisenbe
Mar 15, 2023, 10:04 AM
So did child abusers. So did murderers. So did adulterers. Not real sure what "existence" proves.

Wondergirl
Mar 15, 2023, 10:13 AM
So did child abusers. So did murderers. So did adulterers. Not real sure what "existence" proves.
Indigenous peoples have always loved LGBTQ+ tribe members. There are even books written about that.

jlisenbe
Mar 15, 2023, 10:25 AM
So say ye. But even if that is true, it still proves nothing. In fact, I don't even see what your point is. "Non-normal sexual attractions have been around a long time and some people actually like that." Well...OK then.

Wondergirl
Mar 15, 2023, 10:28 AM
So say ye. But even if that is true, it still proves nothing. In fact, I don't even see what your point is. "Non-normal sexual attractions have been around a long time and some people actually like that." Well...OK then.
Yes, INTELLIGENT and LOVING people understand what happened when LGBTQ+ individuals were formed, were created. And they have added so much to our civilization!

jlisenbe
Mar 15, 2023, 11:42 AM
You are just offering up your own opinion. You are certainly entitled to it, but it is not even close to being a compelling reason to agree with your point.

Wondergirl
Mar 15, 2023, 12:41 PM
You are just offering up your own opinion. You are certainly entitled to it, but it is not even close to being a compelling reason to agree with your point.
There's a long history of LGBTQ+ people being positives within indigenous societies!* As I said, books have been written about it. A reference librarian at your public library will do a search and even order ILLs for you.

*And they are positives in our world today!

jlisenbe
Mar 15, 2023, 01:05 PM
Just more opinion and the by now utterly predictable idea of asking me to look up your documentation. At any rate, I still don't know what your point is. There have, no doubt, been people of many stripes who have contributed to society. I don't know that anyone here has suggested otherwise. The conversation concerned men participating in women's athletics.

Wondergirl
Mar 15, 2023, 01:14 PM
You asked, "Do you know what a woman is?" thereby opening up a potential deluge of responses.

jlisenbe
Mar 15, 2023, 01:42 PM
I did not ask that. Read my post more carefully. I was making a statement that involved a question.

tomder55
Mar 15, 2023, 01:51 PM
I have no idea what any of that has to do with transformers competing in woman's sports .

Wondergirl
Mar 15, 2023, 02:09 PM
I have no idea what any of that has to do with transformers competing in woman's sports .
They aren't transformers.

waltero
Mar 15, 2023, 03:08 PM
(Lord God, full of Grace. We seek peace in our body and yours. Please fill our Hearts with understanding and Grace...Amen).



books have been written about itWhich was just another story

understand what happened when LGBTQ+ individuals were formed And then made into a movie
And they have added so much to our civilization! then into a reality show
And they are positives in our world todayYou see how It (books) becomes an open concept that evolves in correspondence with an understanding of governmental vocabulary and language....which is being lived out [by you] in your correspondence with it.


What I'm trying to say is; Everybody, everything is just a story. Cancer, disease, hatred, Earthquakes, Wars, are all parables. It's not as if we're trying to figure out Genesis to Revelation as best we can, getting the storyline of the Bible cerebrally positioned, intellectually strengthened, aware, able to address certain issues. It’s possible to deal with the how-to's; that’s easy. It’s possible to become denunciatory; that’s easy. It’s possible to become political; that’s easy. It is possible to be meticulously, vociferously, painstakingly committed to fiddle around with the Bible, and yet be unconverted.

Is it not distinctly possible that we may be increasingly intrigued about the Bible, and yet at the same time failing to be increasingly knowledgeable of Jesus?


There is no life in the Scriptures themselves. but if we will follow where they lead, they will bring us to Him, and so we find life, not in the Scriptures, but in Him through them. that The Word of God in Scripture and the Word of God incarnate is interwoven, in that the Spirit of God brings the Word of God to people in order that they might meet and discover Christ, the Son of God.

In Acts chapter 2, when Peter addresses the crowd - His preaching was to their hearts, his preaching was rooted in grace, and his preaching was focused on Christ...I honestly Don't know where the two of you are...I do care...I feel for Athos as I feel for the two of you. This site belonged to Athos...I don't feel the same without him.

Goodbye.

Wondergirl
Mar 15, 2023, 03:17 PM
And how do you express your faith, waltero? Is love in there somewhere?

Wondergirl
Mar 15, 2023, 03:30 PM
WG -- books have been written about it


Which was just another story

https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/102007.Two_Spirit_Indigenous_LGBTQ_Books

jlisenbe
Mar 15, 2023, 05:56 PM
What I'm trying to say is; Everybody, everything is just a story.That makes no sense and is certainly untrue. To say, for instance, that God is "just a story" just misses the mark by a million miles.

Love requires us to tell people the truth. If we don't, then it's indifference at best and hatred at worst.

Wondergirl
Mar 15, 2023, 06:10 PM
Love requires us to tell people the truth. If we don't, then it's indifference at best and hatred at worst.
No, that's not what Love requires of us. And whose truth? Which truth?

jlisenbe
Mar 15, 2023, 06:13 PM
Love does not require the truth? On what planet?

"You're about to walk out in front of traffic, but I'm going to tell you that the coast is clear and you can move on across! Love you!"

Which truth? Here's some truth. "6 Therefore Jesus told them, “My time is not yet here; for you any time will do. 7 The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that its works are evil." In other words, he told them the truth and they hated him for it.

Wondergirl
Mar 15, 2023, 06:18 PM
Jesus' truth is my truth: "Love one another."

I've always been amazed at what Love can accomplish.

jlisenbe
Mar 15, 2023, 07:54 PM
No, it's not. You only accept what you agree with and ignore the rest. You require that Jesus agree with you. Actually, it works the other way around.

jlisenbe
Mar 16, 2023, 05:28 AM
“For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.”

It is true that you only accept what you find to be agreeable.



Why did you delete your post? Even more to the point, HOW did you delete your post?